ZIPP 3ZERO MOTO Carbon 29er Wheel Review: New Wheels on the RSD Middle Child Ti - Hardtail Party

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I was pleasantly surprised to find Zipp at outerbike 2019. They were offering demo wheels. You bring your bike in, and they swap the rotors and cassette for you, so you can see what their wheels feel like compared to your bike. I've had my eye on these wheels for a while, and when I first saw them I thought "these look perfect for a hardtail." I was glad I got to review them. Here's a link to the wheels: bit.ly/33G0Wjm Did you learn something valuable? If so, show your appreciation and support this channel by becoming a Patron today: / hardtailparty
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@hardtailparty 4 года назад

I FINALLY found what was causing the creak in my WTB silverado seat! The junction of the seat rails and the saddle are creaking. I shot some chain lube in there, and it quieted it down for a week... then it came back. At least I know what it is now, it's been driving me CRAZY!

@DJAnthologic 4 года назад

hardtail party WTB saddle stocks about to plummet now, lol

@timpirtle3906 4 года назад

I swear to GOD I would buy you a new seat right now just to get rid of that distracting squeaky seat....GREAT videos....infectious positivity and great opinions while reviewing....I wish I would have high fived ya or something when you told me how great the SPOT Mayhem was while demo'ing one up in Sedona and the Fest.....next time for sure.

@isaacbrooks5999 3 года назад

I've had the same issue!

@zroeder Год назад

I've found that Loctite 290 green wicking fixes similar issues. Hope you've solved your problem in 3 years, but maybe this will help someone else haha.

@TheLoamRanger 4 года назад

I had the same experience when I got to test these in Whistler Bike Park. There was a true difference when smashing into rock gardens and through off-camber turns. Pretty neat trick, ZIPP!

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

Always good to see you in the comments section Ryan. 🤙

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

How does the middle child stack up to the other bikes I reviewed this weekend? I watched all these videos back to back, and even though I was tired from riding 2 days in a row, I noticed how much faster I'm riding this bike. I'm charging harder on it than any of the other demos. I'm so much more confident on it than any other bike at the show, and my riding lines and speed show it. Of all the hardtails I've ridden, the RSD Middle Child Ti is my favorite bike for my riding style. I feel like I should clarify: when I say "it's not worth selling out for a company I don't like" I wasn't implying that I don't like RSD. I love the company, but if I didn't like their bikes, I wouldn't endorse them. The company, the owner, the ride characteristics, the cost... RSD is the complete package. I'm SUPER happy with my RSD bikes, and Alex who runs the company is a standup dude. Here's how I'd rate my MC Ti: Climbing: 10/10 Descending: 10/10 (11 if that's possible) Cornering: 10/10 Playfulness: 10/10 Suppleness: 9/10 Versatility: 10/10 Build quality: 10/10 It's such a good bike.

@quicksilverz6642 3 года назад

Just put these wheels on my Yeti ARC and was blown away at how much of a difference they made. I’d say one of the most notable upgrades that I have ever made to a mountain bike. So much more comfortable and compliant than my previous wheelset. I bought them somewhat on a whim but your review is what really sold me on them and I’m glad I decided to pull the trigger. Keep the solid content coming!

@hardtailparty 3 года назад

Thanks for reporting back. Indeed, these things are amazing.

@jonathanhowson6420 Год назад

I had a set of these and got 14 seconds faster on a UK EWS track on the first run after swapping out from Santa Cruz Reserve rims. Unfortunately the rear rim only lasted 2 months before cracking, however, it was in the shop under warranty when my bike was stolen, so a blessing in disguise. I now run the Zipp on the front which it is amazing for and I have just bought a Reserve alloy HD rim to put on my Chris King hub on the rear. Not ridden this setup yet, but full warranty on both rims for life. These rims are perfect for technical enduro tracks. You will want something a bit stiffer if you ride super smooth BMX style tracks a lot with loads of berms and jumps but very few rocks or tree roots.

@timndel 4 года назад

Good review, helps us to get a feeling of the technology without being able to really feel it. The only question that comes to mind is: why do people always stop their entire group right in the middle of the freaking trail?!?

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

Lots of new riders at this event. But you'd still think that common sense would prevail.

@jackadler5941 4 года назад

I almost had the opportunity to demo these wheels at the NJ MTB Fest, but didn’t have enough time left in the day after a 3 hr ride. Really cool tech, wish they were more affordable. BTW, noticed your Tasco gloves had big tare in them, mine are still intact since begging of summer.

@fauxreal9744 4 года назад

You can get the rims built with any hubs you want. Maybe for a hardtail you could just have a Zipp Moto wheel in the rear.

@muriloandrade7676 4 года назад

incredible! i had never heard of this wheels... in Brazil the news arrives late... many do not arrive.

@breakandrun70 3 года назад

I can feel a pair of Zipp 3ZERO Moto Carbon wheels coming for the Middle Child, It must be fantastic to be able to get to these events, and be able to try out all this newer equipment. I would go crazy at them. I know my wallet would be a lot lighter. Have a blast at the hardtail party in the mountains.

@rakewawrz5200 4 года назад

Those 29er rims in those Maxxis tires make that bike look badass looks like it could take on anything. I went 29er and I'll never go back. Oh yeah wish I was in Moab right now!

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

I love both 29 and 27.5. I'm sure I'll go back and forth.

@rakewawrz5200 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty yeah I went from 26 to 29 I got back on my 26 it felt like a BMX

@hardmtnbiker 4 года назад

I don’t have a lot of experience on carbon rims but they few hardtails and gravel bikes I tried with pricy carbon rims did have a hard plastic feel. I keep a lot of extra wheels and swap wheels on my bikes all the time. I prefer aluminum for not just the “give” of aluminum but I don’t care if I bang em up because they are not an expensive replacement part. Heck, some of my rims cost less than the tires I buy, lol.

@david78212 4 года назад

Yeah, you can tell there are a lot of "newbies" there, they just sit ON the trail and act like you're crazy for wanting to go by... My seat is doing the same thing, now I know what to look for.

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

So far the chain lube only lasts a week before it starts squeaking again. If you find a better solution, let me know.

@david78212 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty New seat?

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

@@david78212 This isn't a new seat, but I think it's time for a new seat. My next one most likely won't be a WTB.

@ericpmoss 3 года назад

Two years later, what are your thoughts on the Zipps? If could only afford one Zipp wheel, would you recommend it on the front or back? If I only had a full rigid bike? Would you want to do anything with that wheel, such as use thicker spokes to stiffen it side to side while still having the ankle compliance, lighter to make it a bit flexier, use a wider tire to maximize the cush, up the pressure, etc etc?

@shiftin5thto6th 4 года назад

Want. I'd love to see a review on the commencal Meta HT sometime. I've been on the fence about buying one but haven't seen many well done reviews.

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

I talked to commencal and they weren't interested in sending me one for review or bringing one to the Sedona mtb fest. I have a friend who had one. Once this COVID-19 thing is over, I'll make sure to take his bike out for a couple rides to film a review on it. I don't expect it to be as compliant as this bike, but the geo looks pretty good on paper.

@shiftin5thto6th 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty I imagine it's pretty stiff. You have me looking pretty hard at the Middlechild too.

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

@@shiftin5thto6th I recommend the ti mc if you can swing it, it's a lot more supple than the steel one.

@jacob6440 3 года назад

Hey I'm looking at buying new wheels for my kingdom vendetta and was wondering what would be your opinion on riding a Zipp 3 zero moto on the rear and then a DT swiss XMC 1200 on the front?

@shawnpritchard366 3 года назад

Try running 29 2.4- 2.6 front and 27 2.8 rear. I'm curious how that combination rides and feels.

@hardtailparty 3 года назад

see my review video of the rurok kanlaon

@howlieboy Год назад

Did you ever try these wheels with the Berd spokes?

@suesstech 3 года назад

Curious... what computer mount is that?

@keithkreatives 11 месяцев назад

3years later……do you still have these? Still “worth it”. Looking at a used set from a guy for $1600 with DT240 hubs

@JimmyRadloff 4 года назад

Did you notice that the front felt a little softer too or could you only feel it on the back of the bike?

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

It was far more noticeable on the back, but after talking to the zipp rep, he stated that he notices the front compliance the most. Granted, he's on a full suspension. The front and rear felt balanced. They both seemed to work in unison.

@keithkreatives 2 года назад

I assume the wheelset you reviewed was the older ZM1 hubset, correct?

@hardtailparty 2 года назад

Correct. The zm2 wasn't available at the time this video was released.

@50mtb44 4 года назад

How did the RSD Middle Child ride with 29 inch wheels? Looked good. How did it feel? Change in head tube angle? Bottom bracket height?

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

It rode FAST! The BB is slightly higher, but nothing significant. HTA won't change, as the fork is identical to before. Everything just sits 3/4" higher. This bike is a rocket with 29" wheels. I feel like it won't quite have the same slow-speed technical maneuvers as the 27.5, but it carries its speed better in rolling terrain. Bunny-hops and big ledges will be trickier with the 29.

@50mtb44 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty Cool. Keep up the great work. Thanks for taking us on the jouney with you.

@jamest2660 4 года назад

Sounds like these wheels ride pretty awesome, but they seem pretty heavy for carbon wheels especially for the price.

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

Weight is a pretty easy metric to judge everything by, but I favor a good riding wheel over a light wheel.

@jonathangreiner 4 года назад

Hey Steve, do you think it would be viable to just run a Zip on the rear for added compliance and a conventional wheel on the front?

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

Interesting question. It would be a fun experiment.

@jonathangreiner 4 года назад

hardtail party please give it a whirl if you can - need to get another wheel set in the near future so looking at different options.

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

@@jonathangreiner I really liked them as a combo. I think its cane creek who has a wheelset with two different stiffness, where the front is softer than the rear. I really liked the zipps front and rear.

@marloncordova9006 4 дня назад

Can I can they be used for enduro

@ronanderson5736 3 года назад

Thinking about purchasing a set of those wheels! Where is this trail located? I will coming out to the Prescott area to visit family at Christmas time! Would love to ride there! Thanks

@hardtailparty 3 года назад

This trail is in Moab, UT

@ronanderson5736 3 года назад

@@hardtailparty Thanks for the update! Merry Christmas to you and your family!

@jirisvoboda5676 Год назад

Hi, i really like your videos, very good job... i wanted to ask, i have 27.5/2.8 with 35mm rims, is it OK to put 2.8 tire on this 30mm rim?? btw ive get Whyte 909 2months ago, its supercool bike for me, why you dont have any Whyte reviews?

@hardtailparty Год назад

I wouldn't recommend it.

@jirisvoboda5676 Год назад

@@hardtailparty ok, so which maximum tire width will be fine? 2,6? 2,5?

@jazzechos1372 3 года назад

The only thing you have to watch out for with those is the potential of friction between the spoke nipples and the rim tape. If the rim tape is adhered to the nipple it eventually and in short time tear a hole and leak.

@hardtailparty 3 года назад

So far zero issues with tape coming off or leaking air, and I've had em over a year now. Still my favorite wheels I've ever run.

@jtkyber 4 года назад

Dude I want that frame so bad, but even if I sold my steel MC frame, it'd still be like buying an complete hardtail 😳

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

The steel MC is a killer hardtail, congrats on that. This ti one is not inexpensive, but man, it's the real deal. 2lbs lighter than a steel MC with a more of a supple ride. Is that worth the cost? Depends on the rider. And if you compare the RSD ti frame prices to any other ti frame, it's a LOT cheaper.

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

What size frame do you ride? I've got a small Ti MC frame I'm selling cheap. (I'm selling because I settled on a medium).

@jtkyber 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty Oh yeah I saw that on your insta. I'm a large unfortunately :/

@JimmyRadloff 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty if I can sell my downhill bike soon, I think we can work out a deal on that frame

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

@@JimmyRadloff Rock on Jimmy!

@10acebikesjodybennettii19 4 года назад

So would you recommend these as good wheels to add performance to a cheaper (3500.00) Devinci Troy Aluminum bike... I'm looking to make it pedal easier, pick up speed faster, etc... ??

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

To me, the main advantage of these wheels is traction and a more forgiving ride. If you're struggling with traction, these could be a great choice for you. My comments about them making an aluminum bike feel better were aimed toward an aluminum hardtail. On a full suspension bike like your Troy, frame material doesn't matter so much. An aluminum full suspension bike isn't going to ride harsh, because it has a rear shock. If you're looking to pedal easier, pick up speed faster, etc., I'd recommend going with a super light tire and a light rim package. However, don't go too light on either, or they won't be durable and won't have the traction you need. I typically go with a meatier front tire than a rear tire. For my riding, these Zipp wheels are my favorite I've ever ridden. I think they'd be a fantastic addition, but there are much lighter (and cheaper) wheels out there that would give you the ride feel you want.

@10acebikesjodybennettii19 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty gotcha... I run 2.5 wide trail on really wide rims like 35mm internal front same wheel in rear but with 2.4 wide trail the bike has all the grip I could ever ask for but I'm a fat guy with bad cardio and climbing on this in the mountains of Tennessee with 140mm rear ,160mm front low end components the bike is Mid 30s lb and hard to get up hill was thinking going to a carbon lightweight but durable set with 2.4 front and 2.35 rear might help other than that I'm about to go ebike if I can't get this to pedal better lol 😂 jk about the ebike thing

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

@@10acebikesjodybennettii19 lb (light bicycle) makes great carbon rims for the cheap. Or just keep on riding and itll get easier over time.

@10acebikesjodybennettii19 4 года назад

@@hardtailparty I've only been riding for 2 years so I'm sure it will get better but I can ride my buddies bike with 2.3" and thinner rims and climb pretty well the second I get on my bike I suck again

@hardtailparty 4 года назад

@@10acebikesjodybennettii19 Is your s a 27.5 or a 29? What about your buddy? What bike does he have? I find I climb tons faster on 29s. I'd also make sure your sag is set well. Some bikes climb a lot better than others.