Carlos Gracie VS Helio Gracie VS Carlson Gracie 

Well, you have to add all the lying, scamming and criminal dishonesty to get the "true history" of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. I like the part where they often mention Carlos "moving to the North of Brazil"...they mean when he went to prison for seducing under-aged girls...lol . The Part when Carely beat up Helio in the barn...where is Carlay's part? etc. And thats just geting started..

​@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz show the proof of this or stop talking BS

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​@@JohnJohnson-pq4qzLegit? Sources? 🤔

​​@@JEFFMAN90 I haven't had proof yet. But, why would you be surprised? BJJ (as we know it today-as "the most effective self defense in the world"), is the product of strategic marketing (via Hollywood networking & UFC 1). We've been brainwashed to believe that fights take place on padded ground & you won't be jumped & stomped to death in a real street altercation. It's literally the new 80's "karate/movie kung fu." That's why Sakuraba & Vanderlei never had a problem passing a single solitary guard 😉

Im here to share the history and roots of our founding father Cralson Gracie! im wanna make sure hes history never being forgot! i have this moral obligation! thank you for watching my channel! respect!

@@Allangoesjourney We ApprecIate and thank you for that Professor Goes. Look forward to more videos of Carlson and the Roots/History! 😊👍

thank you Martial Arts around the World! that is a honor have you guys in my channel, i hope you enjoy your history roots!!! with no pass we have no future!

Allan Goes OSS!

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Estamos em curso! Eu e a tecnologia lol haha

O mal do brasileiro é não valorizar tanto a sua própria língua materna. Em primeiro lugar deveria se falar em português e a legenda ser em inglês. Assistindo uma vez uma luta, após a vitória (não me lembro o nome do lutador) ao ser entrevistado pelo Joe Rogan, ele ao invés de responder em inglês, fez questão de dizer que responderia em português para o público brasileiro. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

thank you my good friend! honor to have you here with me!

All I know is Gracie Barra is sport and GJJ is self defense. I learned from Rickson, Rener, Ryron, and Renzo. Those first 3 names taught me self defense first then sport, Renzo taught me the sport

A honra foi toda minha!

@@Allangoesjourney espero te entrevistar de novo campeão, pessoal do CANAL MMA DEBATE se amarrou na entrevista, vc é o cara!!! Oss!!!

sabe tudo Arqfran !!! vc e o cara!!!

You should be proud every day of your History and Roots!

@@Allangoesjourney Thank you, Professor. I am, every day.

Allan Allan Goes, adoro ouvir a história do Jiu Jitsu brasileiro e quem tem a oportunidade de treinar com alguém que está no legado de Carlson Gracie deve ser homenageado ... Sou uma pessoa assim ... treino com Gtabriel “ Gladiator ”Santos e o treinamento é fenomenal ... para mim o estilo Carlson Gracie é perfeito e estamos honrados por ter Gladiator em Massachusetts .... também gosto do seu canal e adoro ouvir a história do Jiu-Jitsu

I hope I translate properly Professor Goes....

Cara faco jiu-jitsu com o gabriel gladiador. E depois desse primeiro video seu ,ja sou seu fan parceiro assisti varios videos seus ossu

Coloca mesmo Alan....fui logo ver se tinha!! Infelizmente não sei falar inglês, muita gente no Brasil quer ouvir 👂🏻

Fez toda essa porra sendo Brasileiro boto em inglês bosta.

I never forget History and Roots! watch the videos! the end of the history is, everyone that follow Carlson lineage have a moral obligation to appreciate and respect all the kids that sacrifice there life in name of this tribe! with no past you have no future!

@@Allangoesjourney professor you mention that GM Carlson was the first to teach the common people. But one of Helios first nonGracie red belts also did this. GM Francisco Mansor of Kioto. Did Carlson train with him in the early days? He focus on self defense but also fought vale tudo for gracie academy

@@Allangoesjourney gracie humaita was also successful in both self defense and sport. Because of royler gracie. But also I thought Rolls Gracie students defend against luta livre not just Carlson gracie team..? I am a big fan of what Master Carlson has done so do not take this as me going against Carlson. I am from the Renzo/Matt Serra lineage here in New York. I wish there was a presence of Carlson Gracie here.

@@lucasbatistasoares8168 yes I have heard this. But Carlson Gracie Academy and Rolls Gracie/Gracie Barra still competed against eachother by the late 70s and 80s

what city you live ?

I live in culiacan ,sinaloa ,mexico, but travel sometimes to usa

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"Had to?" Bittuvah stretch. Rickson b!tch slapped Hugo. They fought. The End. Now this: Where were Rickson & Royler when Helio was getting tossed on his head (which is a likely fatal move in actual street fights)? Where were Rickson & Royler when Oswaldo was foot locking Helio? Where was Rickson when Royce & Royler were getting soccer kicked while butt scooting on padded flooring in Pride?

@Dolph-fe2ks They weren’t born or infants. Rickson was fighting in Japan and his son was found dead and he retired from fighting and now has Parkinson’s

@@oldironsides4107 Ok? That's all important, for sure, but has nothing to do with the point. The poster was throwing rocks in glass houses. At least Conan (from Carlson Team) fought Sakuraba before it was cool to lose to him. And the back & forth is just useless. Especially if we aren't going to give credit to Master Carlos Sr. for BJJ being what it is today. RIP Rockson.

Not against John Jacques Machado

Rolls Gracie was Carlos Gracie's son, he was brother of Carlson and Carlos jr as well

@@thalescardozo9320 Yeah, I know that much. I also know George was brother to Carlos and Helio. I'm referring to where they fit in the legacy of Gracie jui jitsu? Their part in it's history.

@@frontdeskstaff9359 Ohh ok. The first Gracies brothers (Carlos, Helio, George and so on) were mainly focused on self defense, the brazilian jiu jitsu was develop based on how weak people could defend themselves from strong people and due to this they weren't worried about competition. After decades of this kind of practice, in the 70s Carlson and Rolls started to teach at the same academy, but in different days, and even they being brothers, they started to estimulate competition among theis students. As Master Sergio Malibu said, Rolls was the first one (1980) to match others martial arts in order to improve his jiu jitsu, but unfortunatelly he passed away before the boom of jiu jitsu

George was brother of Carlos and Helio, the first generation. Hes was the best fighter of the family before Hélio starts to train around 1930. Rolls was the second generation, son of Carlos Sênior and the best fighter of the family around the 70's, when Carlson retired. (Sorry about my english)

That's what I just asked. Fada has no lineage to the Gracies he learned from Count Meada himself.

The Master

you are a winner! you over come a big challenge in your life that many people gives up!! you are the man!!

Neither of them... Carlsos learned Judo from Maeda (which was already modified but much simpler), superficially, perfected with other Japanese... But it's not just Judo anymore with Helio and George... and it's the two who say it, with video recording and newspapers... Carlson learned from Helio who learned from Carlos and George, but the modifications that transformed Jiujitsu into Vale Tudo, starts with George and then changes more with Helio, George according to his own son, he had a different style, he already had a good ground game, but more focused on ground and pound, less guard... So much so that the styles of George's students are more upright... like Ivan Gomes, Euclides Pereira, Ivan's brother gives the impression that there was no closed guard, for example, in their style...he even called "that Gracie guard" "the scissor guard"... So it kept changing after George left...including in things that became character of bjj... Carlson learns from Hélio, but he certainly perfects and trains with other arts, because in his generation he faces those who already know Jiujitsu too...the level had risen a lot since retirement from Hélio, starting with Waldemar Santana who was a student of Hélio...Rolls trains judo, sambo, wrestler, and is Carlson's student...keeps evolving... But the game change, which changes the STYLE, is with George and then with Hélio ...

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Hey bro. I know I am 5 months late, but just saw your question. I read an interview with Carlson Gracie. They asked him that exact question. His answer was Rolls. He said Rolls was superior and more technical. I will look that interview up, and post here/reply again here where you can find it.

Please explain your "common man" comment. I see the Helio side as focusing more (not that the Carlos lineage doesn't) on the average person who wants self defense primarily, as you stated. To me, sticking to this vision naturally results in less emphasis on mma and sport bjj and the more elite athletes seeking that (not that they don't have those folks training in Helio-influenced schools).

@@jims512 you pretty much answered most of it. Natural body movement and energy efficiency is what Helio wanted to display in his curriculum. Sports has really grown into its own community but its curriculum has a lot of athletic content. Even the practitioners are on the secret juice to win titles. Self defense is important to the common people who aren’t athletes to make a technique work on bigger opponents.