Carry Supports: Are They Real Supports Or Troll Picks? | League of Legends 

“Top lane is where dreams die” MY MAN

My ADC: Play an enchanter Me, a pyke main: How about instead we just kill them?

Motto of carry supports: " Death is the best cc"

Tbh i feel like most off these are failed mid picks so they were pushed to a support role

Midlane's full of Ionian dashers and I still wanted to play Velkoz on the rift. Support is the only option left for my Velkoz.

Poke is one of the three most important parts of supports as it keeps down engage. Many of these mages also dont have a home anywhere else anymore besides support, xerath vel and zyra just cant compete in midlane. Honestly i like these despite their feast or famine style. Pykes an outloar but works similar just an assasin instead of mage.

Tbh most mage supports are refugees from the current midlane meta. Burst assassins or fighters, which have in general better item choices than mages. Ziggs Velkoz or Lux mid might sound like standard, but are imo becoming very niche and are more suited for the support role most of the time. In some cases ther apc role just became the better choice overall. Ziggs + Veigar for instance.

Usually, the enemy Pyke has more kills than his whole team combined and the game calls him a "support" :p

ive personally rarely ever see the brand/zyra do no dmg, even if they come out of lane 0/5, they end up doing top 3 dmg every time, most time still highest dmg

The best way to support your team is to prevent damage, killing the enemy prevents them from dealing damage.

carry supports aren't troll, but I'd say that they're on average the least fun for the partner adc. I don't mind playing with one because I'm like "now I have someone to cover my bad decisions" and I think APC + Carry Supports are fun when coordinated with premades. I also don't mind playing against them as much as the average person. I think they're novel. But I definitely don't blame people who hate them.

"Toplane is where dreams die." Toplane mains: just another day

“Wouldn’t it be interesting if we could see all sorts of combinations bot.” *Juggernaut Rework flashbacks*

Vars: Theoretically, any champion can work as a carry support Autofilled Yasuo mains: *Hehehehe*

As long as they keep me from having to essentially 2v1 and aren’t kill stealing too hard I’m okay with them. I would rather have a good zyra or brand over a shit thresh or nami.

Pyke carries early to mid game. After that he's on a timer. The timer will depend from game to game.

12:41 Well, it doesnt help that everytime a support gets out of line Rito is quick to force them back to the bot lane or be nerfed into oblibion.

unlike brand velkz and xerath, zyra has tons of utility: catching with root and slows, pealing with her ult, and she has the best vision in the game. all of these require no gold.

I think an important part about a champion that can successfully play as a carry support still needs to provide some form of utility. Senna, while a marksman (which by nature means she deals damage), has a heal, hard cc, movement speed, and global shield which is what pushes her into the support role/fasting utility carry. She also has a multitude of items that augment various play styles, like her niche moonstone build, or her (currently pretty bad) tank build which allowed her to take an insane amount of damage she otherwise shouldn't be allowed to. Pyke has cc on top of his immense kill pressure, and carry mages all have cc. Lux also has a shield and a slow, but I'm not sure if she really counts as a carry support because it really depends on how you build her.

Vars, I would love if you did a video about Mages in the bot lane, not as supports, but as the laner. The role is still commonly called "ADC" despite the fact that Swain, Veigar, and Cassiopeia have dominated the role in terms of win rate for the past five or six patches. Yet if you lock in one of these champions, despite the statistics showing how powerful they are, you're still liable to get trolled by your support buying a Doran's instead of a support item. (Happened to me on more than one occasion 😠) I just think that it's an interesting phenomenon worth discussing.

I feel like throwing in my hat on explanation for why I think carry supports are disliked a lot more than other types. There's a few things about carry supports that I think cause issues. 1: Synergies The adc needs to play around them, moreso than any other support type. They're a lot more synergy dependent than other supports. For example, Pyke and Blitzcrank are not great synergies for Caitlyn because dragging the enemy adc towards her is not something she necessarily wants because that gives them the opportunity to hit back (that's not saying Caitlyn's bad with all engage supports or even all hook champions, just that it's a champ type that's inherently a bit more limited in what they can do with her than with a lot of other adcs because of her playstyle). With Blitzcrank, he still has a lot of lockdown and is bulky, so he can help her finish off enemies and he can pull them off of her if needed. With someone like Pyke, however, he doesn't have enough lockdown or bulk to be able to use his hook defensively so he has to be really careful about when he hooks someone since it could easily do more harm than good, his ult makes cait's ult redundant, and him being super close range and caitlyn being super far range doesn't meaningfully feed into each other since caitlyn doesn't benefit from zoning quite as much as other adcs and it will make parallel positioning a lot harder than it needs to be, which results in the adc and support tripping over each other. Or compare that to Ziggs/Janna. Ziggs cannot get the full effect of Janna's e because it provides AD and he scales solely off AP, but it doesn't matter that Janna's shield doesn't buff him because other than it still being a shield because she has enough disengage to ensure that they're fighting at a comfortable distance for him (and her shield can be used to protect from stray bullets and stuff). Besides that, disengage is always helpful, extra damage isn't. That's an example of things going very wrong, but I'd like to point to Senna. She's got a lot of very good unconventional synergies. Because she's an adc with token utility that doesn't want to farm to get stacks efficiently, that opens the way for a lot of interesting duoqueue comps involving her and a lot of really awkward soloqueue comps. For example, a champion like Jhin does not need a second adc and would benefit a lot more from having extra utility. His token utility and Senna's token utility don't feed into each other. So if a Jhin and a Senna player queue up together, there's a high probability of the support just not being helpful since everything Senna brings to the table is covered and having more of it isn't as valuable as having literally anything else. But the thing that makes it weird is that carry supports can enable certain champions to be played adc that normally couldn't. Senna, for example, synergizes super well with APCs because the botduo will have a lot of magic damage output and physical damage output as well as a mix of token utility brought in from Senna and token utility that's not uncommon in APCs. A big one that comes to mind is Azir (because I play him bot), where the two of them have a strong early, mid, and late game because they can cover for each other if both players know how their abilities synergize and how uniquely that impacts their power spikes (basically, Azir plays like a carry support who just happens to also CS early game while Senna acts like a lane bully early game, Azir and Senna play super aggressively mid game without departing too much from each other, and then they both play like hypercarries lategame). Obviously SennAzir is not meta because Azir, but that's the best personal example I can give of the power of duoqueuing with a carry support. Also good luck communicating any of that to your soloqueue partner if you try it there. Here's the issue; a carry support could be potentially either completely useless or completely broken depending on which champion their partner locks in. There are some adcs with that issue too, mainly thinking of Kalista, where her support kind of needs to be a bulky engage support if they want to make much headway, which causes Kalista/Janna to be pretty bad while Kalista/Thresh is very fucking good (but only really if Kalista and Thresh are duoqueue and communicating, then it's kneecapped by not being able to communicate and coinflipped by soloqueue partner being some rando). It just happens more with carry supports because they need to fulfill certain conditions to be able to carry, which can be made redundant by either too closely replicating something in their adc's kit and/or requiring the adc to be able to do something that not all adcs are great at doing. You don't run into that issue as much with catchers and enchanters because they have so much utility that they can still provide meaningful help to the adc and team as a whole even if certain abilities become a lot less helpful than they'd normally be. 2: Playstyle Carry supports can vary quite a bit, but the thing I appreciate most about them is that they're very good at bullying the enemy team off contesting you for cs or trades. They're kind of like reverse-wardens in that they make your territory so unsafe for the enemy team that it alleviates pressure off of you. That's kind of why I don't like playing against Zyra. She's very good at making it hard to move around as Thresh to get a clean engage without getting pelted repeatedly. With the SennAzir thing I mentioned, Azir has the ability to flush the enemy team out of their own wave using his sand soldiers, which lets Senna bully them out of lane early. Even ignoring that I keep plugging SennAzir into my argument, you can effectively be dealing with a lane bully and a late game scaler in the same lane. Alternatively, you have Pyke, who probably wants to engage after the adc's won a few trades. Probably the best way to think about it is not to divide botlane into adc and support and more as two characters, between the two of them, someone wants the majority of kills, someone wants the majority of cs, and the damage/utility budget needs to be divided some way between them. Generally speaking, adc is the role you want to funnel the majority of the cs and kills into because they need to scale while the support does not need to scale. The adc provides mostly damage and a usually negligible amount of utility while the support provides mostly utility and a usually negligible amount of damage. The amount of damage to utility budget can mess around. Kalista has a lot of utility for an adc but not as much damage, Lux can deal quite a bit of damage but doesn't have quite as much utility as some of her peers, for example. There's a range, but fucking with it too much causes the character to become unsuitable for adc or support (depending on where the devs were aiming), so some of the justifications begin to feel a bit forced. Like, the reason justified for not just always playing Senna adc was because her passive scales better when she doesn't cs (which can become an issue if you're support isn't a CSer, which a lot aren't) or you get a support who will probably just give up on you halfway through the game and become the adc. Pyke's bounty on his ult also feels like it was just there to justify giving a support an execute. Either way, carry supports have super varied playstyles compared to stuff like catchers and enchanters, which sounds like a good thing until you remember that bot lane is very team work reliant in a game that doesn't give you the tools for proper communication (and probably shouldn't considering how toxic the playerbase is, like, if voicechat became a widely used thing is soloqueue, I probably would not be able to play the game). So, if your adc or support has a playstyle that you do not understand, you're not going to be able to play the game properly. Carry supports kind of make up for this by some of them being able to carry the game anyways, but that just frustrates the adc further. This is also the reason why seeing an off-meta pick for adc or support (that isn't coordinated with a friend) bugs me a lot more than seeing something so off meta in any other role, because unless both the adc and support are in on it and understand exactly what's happening, you are destined to fail regardless on the viability of that build. Basically, Xerath and Vel'koz don't play like Zyra who doesn't play like Senna who doesn't play like Pyke and that's an issue because it makes it forces the adc to adapt their playstyle to fit one champion. Like, you can approach having Thresh, Leona, Blitzcrank, and Alistar support in similar fashions to each other. You probably want to let them engage and make sure the wave is thin enough for their skillshots to not get blocked. You can also approach your support being Lulu, Yuumi, or Janna somewhat similarly. You win trades until you can all in while your enchanter keeps you alive and then buffs the all in. But you can't treat Zyra support anywhere close to how you'd treat Pyke support or Senna support. With Zyra you probably want to let her set up a zone of control around the minions then try to freeze the wave, with Senna you want to force the enemies outside of their minions and let her chase them off from there (I also like to sometimes give her to canon depending on the circumstances), with Pyke you want him to be the bread to your damage sandwich. The other thing is that Carry Supports singlehandedly turn botduo into a feast or famine comp, when it otherwise would not have been that, which would annoy some adc players.

Magic dmg, aoe & especially zone control are routinely lacking in soloq games anyway. I’d say there is plenty of merit to playing velkoz & zyra, not so much their more selfish versions (xerath & brand), which are too feast/famine to rely on. I’m torn on senna & pyke, on one hand they open up more diverse botlanes when paired with non-marksmen; but more often than not they’re just auto-fillers who flame & let the adc die…

great choice of topic. i would like to mention, sadly some of these champs are "less than stellar" midlaner and shine better in support. i genuinely love to play Zyra mid but i just cant compete😥😭 thanks for quality content. keep up the good work. wish you well.

5:40 "youll see a carry support once every 4-5 games"....holy **** that is so wrong for NA, I have not seen anything but carry supports in close to 100 ranked games legit its always xerath, veigar, brand, lux, swain

As a support main, having a pocket Senna is very helpful for games where I doubt my team’s structure.

I really like playing Xerath and Senna, but I try to pick them when they work with my team. When I see no cc on the other lanes I usually go back to more convetional supps. The main reason why I like them is that I too often find myself in a situation where my adc does not apply their damage even when I have them shielded and the enemy cced right in front of us. That way I dont rely on my random teammates to deal the damage. That ofc is a bigger problem in lower elo, but they are the reason I finally was able to push my winrate above 50% and start climbing out of bronze and silver. My experience on why ppl dont like them is that they can't hadle being carried by a Support. They see themselfs entitled to revied all the kills and praise. And that is the dynamic that you also described at the end 12:35

"carry supports bring alot of dmg but no healing or shield" me: "let me show you the aery fond of life ardent pyke 'support'"

I mean riot is making another one. Also you could have mentioned Lux on this category. Also the support item is very underrated. It gives a lot of gold.

as a senna main, i support the team by death of my opponet and im usually considered as a 2nd carry

my best friend is a xerath otp. we play bot together and as much as i love him, there is nothing more demoralizing as an adc than seeing him have twice as much damage than me on graphs after the game

I love playing Senna support, especially in solo q. I play supportive and asses my ADC’s skills. If they don’t start carrying, I pick up the torch and carry till they can.

"Who knows, maybe Warwick Support is sleeper OP..." Bro, you just opened Pandora's Box 😳

I miss the days where adc's were the real threat, and not every single champ on enemy team. Thats why anyone plays braum, who can protect adc's against goredrinkers jarvan, irelias, talon, rengars and burst mages and yasuos and yones, and amumus and xethaths ults, and samiras spin, and viegos champ overall, and invisible twitchs and evelyns with yummi. ITS IMPOSSIBEL EVERY CHAMP ONE SHOTS THESE DAYS, THATS WHY YUMMI SORAKA AND LULU ARE OP

I got carried more often by support that adc

I think another interesting topic you could´ve touched upon is support items. Riot has been funneling more and more gold into the support´s pockets through support items, both by directly increasing the gold it gives and removing the huge gold sink it used to mean to pugrade your support item, so it´s easier than ever to play carry roles in support since you actually get gold.

A friend of mine tried Mordekaiser support with support items once. It’s actually a good pick if you think about it: cc on E, with the heal and shield power of the support items your W makes you immortal and your Ult can just take an enemy and make the teamfight a 4v4 where you decide who is missing. I think the reason it didn’t work was that I couldn’t play anyone except Yuumi back then and endet up playing Neeko Adc.

Senna, who you consider a 'carry support', is far from a selfish pick. It is true that it is possible for her to dish out more damage than the ADC, but seeing as every part of her kit can be used to protect allies she can be considered a true support- heal, stun, ghosting/ms, shielding. Even her glacial augment build applies slow. She also has many builds which can include items that decrease the enemies armour etc, if you aren't going kraken as that's more like senna adc..

Warwick support might work really well: You got really good engage with R and Q+E. Peel with E (or even R). Enormous roaming potential with W. Your passive is just more suited for sololaning / jungling.

Hello :)))) I really liked this vid- well- like always- and I'm happy that you talk about supports like- in a way that they too can carry the game- even like Thresh/Blitz/Nautilus- not like that they are only there to save their adc or someone- and as you may have suspected I am a support main. I really appreciet your work. Keep on doing what you like- amazing work

the thing with carry supports... soloq is a mess, playing lulu and seeing your adc go 0 and 6 means you dont get to play the game, and are partialy blamed, while if you play brand, your adc can go 0 and 100, if you dish out your damage you get praised. but in the same time adc feels like they dont have a support when they see a brand, and are more prone to trying to 1 vs 2 and dying, feeling like a nautilus would of made the match much easier, and than they blame the supp.. a never ending loop

2:15 Cryo and his fanbase:allow us to introduce ourselves (Granted it's not burst mage levels of damage,But hey.He's a "support")

I main Anivia support!!! W brings consistent value and often blows flashes immediately

I feel like Zyra puts the support in carry support more than anyone else since her plants can bodyblock skillshots to save her carry, her E and R have great CC to set up kills for the whole team, and her plants when alive can pump out massive damage and keep the enemy team out of a certain area. She provides great utility alongside her horrifyingly massive DPS, and as a wise man once said, the best CC is death.

"Carry Supports" were made for the sole purpose of tricking people who don't actually like supporting the team into queuing for support to make queue times shorter. Main character syndrome is strong with these ones.

Carry supports are a nice change of pace from dedicated healers, enchanters and wardens. Sure you can't defend them as much, but somehow it feels good to dish out dmg to enemies out of place

8:25 Sorry, but I think you have the matchup triangle backwards. Albeit, it's not a hard rule and there are examples of it being backwards at times. Enchanters beat mage/carry supports, because the onus is on the carry supports to take action, most enchanters scale extremely well and are best suited to keep scaling carries safe. Engage/kill lanes dominate the early game against enchanters, allowing them freedom to act throughout the map and they're usually very strong at ganking or early skirmishes. Mage/Carry supports can poke down engage supports safely meaning they're heavily favoured once an all-in presents itself. Naturally, it's a very grey area since the lane partner and some champion's kits just naturally invert the matchup. Morgana beats engage supports easily and can act as a safe kill lane against enchanters, but can't fight carry supports very well. Zyra is also very strong against champions coming to her, like Leona, but struggles with Blitzcrank or Thresh.

I recently found out that in DotA there is something called an active support. In that case the support and the Carry share farm. Let's see when this will become more common in lol. Fasting senna ADC is a step in that direction but not a common pick at the moment. It would be interesting to see more such picks, like fasting veigar APC.

I've always loved going off-meta stuff in Normals, always experimenting with new picks and shaking up strategies whenever I can, be it with a friend or even on my own. Discovering something new that is actually has some weight in the meta right now is both exciting and often confusing. It's hard to say that the new Full Attack Speed Gragas that you decided to do is super OP until you try it out in 10 more games and actually get some data. Could the win be a fluke? Could it just be that matchmaking had a bad time? It's hard to say. But finding that new spice or that new hidden gem in League is always fun. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to get back to my ADC Warwick and my Jungle Soraka builds.

i main enchanters support and i can tell you, for having tried mid with brand/xerath/velkoz, we cant do anything against any of the fighter or assassin we found in mid. everything he said in the vid is true and im fed up with adc saying that we steal kills or dont trust a mage support because its ''not a support'' lol

Carry supports are a byproduct of 400 years champions like Yone, Samira, Viego and such. Nowadays champions have so much self agency that sometimes, as a primerelly enchanter main, I feel useless and like an excess. Why does a 9/11 Yasuo need me when he already reached his 10 death powerspike and has bought Imortal Shieldbow and Bloodthirster? Mage supports got pushed out of mid because of those degenerate skirmishers and assassins. Supports were the most selfless class and position for the longest time now, and after so many new carry 1v9 champions that do everything, supports needed an upgrade. Pyke has CC, dashes, camouflage, damage and sustain, giving him enough to take care of both himself and others. Senna has heal, snare, team camouflage and speedup, shield and imense range also giving her the necessary tools to do what everyone else has been doing for the last 4 or more seasons. Fighters and assassins became unstoppable war machines at the expense of supports, tanks, marksman and mages, and to keep up, they got the carry arsenal too, because otherwise, they would become irrelevant.

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Not only ADC players hate them but support players too Enchanter players (like me) to be exact It's so annoying to be constantly poked without an ability to answer But I don't deny that it is so much fun playing them

Personally I feel like there is no support triangle- at least not one that works well. Enchanters don't beat out Carry supports because in the early game they are just as squishy as their adc and lack the items and their full kit to properly disengage/sustain through damage. They also struggle into engage supports that can lock them down and kill them and they cannot match the same roam pressure. There are of course certain match ups like Janna into Leona or Rell that the enchanter easily beats out and Lulu into a lot of carry picks as the main engage gets polymorphed and then can't do much. But generally the rule of thumb is in laning phase outside of a few matchups enchanters generally lose out as they cannot easily establish lane pressure or kill pressure. A good carry support generally out pressures enchanters but can't go toe to toe with tank supports but depending on the carry they could be a better pick than a tank or a much worse pick than the enchanter. Tank supports are easily the rulers of bot lane being bad into only a few matchups and generally are countered by other tank supports. When laning phase finishes, Carry supports have either established a lead they can snowball and win the game with but assuming an Enchanter support has safely made it to their first item this is when the Enchanter pick becomes more relevant as they can essentially neutralise the Carry support by making it much harder to get picks. If they have managed to be more effective than the tank support they can dissuade engages by poking out the enemy or killing an important member the tank couldn't protect in time. Meanwhile the enchanter vs engage support gets more volatile as if the enchanter's team is ahead they can essentially position to take over the game with their fed teammate or make their team pretty untouchable, if they are even then it's kinda skill based slightly in favour of the tank support, and if they are behind there's no chance.

12:57 funny cuz happy chim noises recently made a video about it XD

played support for almost 4years now; cant say how many times i locked an enchanter and my adc just afked me imagine playing a yummi with afk adc anywhere you go you just be a burden; oh no adc just afk first 3 wave which pretty much decide the outcome of lane as an enchanter i cant really change that; so what go for engage support and go in and see you team just left you; after you die they go in then die; so dont bang on my carry support take your share if im pyke and if im senna i can peel i can tank and i can heal and i can kill;

The thing is, I kind of just stumbled into the carry support role as someone who cannot farm for shit but also wants to have fun playing the game.

Only true adc mains feel the pain when their “carry” support runs it down and loses the bot lane before 3 minutes on the clock. You don’t even get the chance to CS anymore.

The reason i love Zilean is becaused he is a specialist, and one that is carry for the first minutes, then scales pretty great in utility, a perfect balance between mage support and enchanter with play potencial. You dont really need and enchanter/ traditional adc, and people dont get it, but what you really need is sinergy in the botlane and good team comp, if both are meet, you can play whatever the fuck you want

I used to main support, got sick of protecting bad adcs, I used only to pick enchanters when I knew the adc was good. Still they'd ask me to pick Zyra, since they get a free lane phase with me constantly pushing the enemy adc out of lane

The main reason I play a carry support is if I've just had one of THOSE games where the actual adc just flops around and feeds, or a lategame where nobody else seems concerned about the sidelanes permanently pushing the wrong way. Having someone who can do step up in those circumstances is very useful.

As a main support I'll tell you why we go carries, I love playing Soraka, Taric, Yuumi and making my team invincible, I enjoy giving assists in those champs more than kills. But, in so many matches you get 4 useless players, all stupid and braindead that you can't find anyone to support since you feel like nothing you can do. But with Xerath, Lux and Veigar I carry games being 23/5, 16/2, 12/1 (actual matches) even if the rest of my team is have 6 kills combined (also actual matches). We go carries not because it's boring, quite the opposite it's very fun but when the match making algorithm puts you with 4 bad players you can't imagine how bad it is to feel that there is no way you can fight back.

Pyke and Senna don't belong in this discussion. THey have another ways to gain income, so that they don't rely on bBS like mage supports do. The main problem for mage supports is gold, like you said, base value. They're just a chgeese pick, nothing more. However, Pyke and Senna were designed this way, thus they don't have the same issue and can be considered true supports, and not just some absolute trash pick like mages. AND their base value is much higher, since Pyke isn't just an assasin, he's first of all an engage support (a catcher), and then assasin. While Senna is a hybrid of marksmen and enchanters.

Anyone noticed the Pantheon at 1:44 placing that clutch ward on the blast cone to prevent the Lee Sin from escaping?

As a Support main, there's no use in picking a lategame enchanter in a team with 4 feeders There's also no use in picking an engage support when your team has 4 morons that just ping you when you go in and inevitably die I'm a Rell main, but if solo, I play Pyke

I think the bottom lane should be reworked entirely. The "ADC" role is the only role where only one class can play without major downsides (it's super fan to play APCs, but the role is not designed for them, so it's pretty hard to make out), and the support role should be more diversified as well. I like to play Seraphine APC with a full utility build when my support takes a high damage champion, like Senna or Pyke. The "ADC" protects the support, so the support can do the damage your team needs. You can think this is a very bad strategy, but it's actually good. If more marksman could play in the support or in the mid lane, and if more mages and enchanter could play in the ADC role (yes, I'm thinking in Sona or Soraka "ADC"), the bottom lane could be so much more fun to play

Enchanters are a freaking coin flip in league of legends, you can't depend on that your team is gonna do good, maybe this apply more to high elo, but on low elo carry supports are way better than passive supports

You will almost always have a fun game with a carry support, when you play a tank or enchanter you are 100% reliant on your teammates to have fun. Playing Leona or Naut in a losing game is just terrible, atleast with velkoz or neeko you can have some fun while losing.

i started playing LoL again after 8 long years of break and i was always Support Main (Leona / Nami and Janna as my favorits) now i have tried Senna and must admit its a blast. I love the playstyl of her its so much fun even more then the traditional Picks. A friend of mine has joined in for the first time playing LoL. We play together on Bot Lane as ADC (he plays Jinx or Miss Fortune) and im Senna its a very fun combo!

I think the specialization of bot laners in Esports plays a huge role here. Every time something off-meta sneaks its way into the bot lane it is nerfed specifically for what made it good in the bot lane. Esports teams lose there minds every time a bruiser or melee becomes meta briefly bot, and those highly paid specialists aren't flexible enough to play the off-meta stuff. Thus interesting picks are nerfed.

I stopped playing carry supports for one reason: EGO. Players do not care that you are a 20/2 Xerath Support, they won't peel you neither will they listen to pings or calls because you are "just the support". It was fun playing 500 Brand Games Last season but it made me realize how pathetic League players are most of the time.

I love playing carry supp in Ranked because honestly sometimes my ADC is so useless I gotta do all the work.

I'm a pyke and senna main, the reasons behind that are the following: 1) I enjoy them and think they're cool af (Yes, I totally cancelled from my mind the SoL event) 2) Usually when I play with my friends, the only role that isn't covered is ADC, and since the average ADC is a 0 iq inter, someone has to provide damage for the lane

The thing I don't like about Senna and Pyke are that people see they're good carries in botlane, then try to take them mid or top etc. Pyke mid is good in theory, until he's the only one with kills and no one else does enough damage for him to execute, which is Pyke's whole thing.

I often get shit for this but they’re really the only supports I enjoy for more than very occasional games Plus it’s the only position you can actually do shit with Xerath and Vel’koz

Senna plays like an enchanter and poke but can also become the secondary ADC or main ADC which is why I love playing her. Her items are also very flexible. If my team has already enough damage, I'd switch to pure enchanter items and still be able to dish out a lot of damage while also "supporting" with heals, shield, and root. If I do get into a team that has a weaker ADC, I kinda step up and become the secondary ADC. Very versatile.

an example of experimental/sleeper supports Vi is heavily undervalued as a support. She provides the up front damage for early game kills, along with the engage and single target lockdown associated with tank supports. the short duration of her Q cc is a weakness. either she needs an adc which is well positioned and has quick reaction timing, or the bot lane players must be both good at communication, or you play her with a premade. if one or more of these conditions are met however, she becomes one of the most impactful supports i have seen in bot lane.

Rumble support is the real carry support, a well placed ult wins pretty much any early botlane fight to the point where I sometimes let my adc get engaged on and die so that the enemies are distracted and I can nuke the enemy adc without anyone stopping me, levels 1 and 2 are really rough but after you get level 6 you deal so much damage that it barely matters unless you are against something like draven nautilus

Call me greedy or whatever but if whenever I have a carry support that isn’t senna or pyke if they do well and get most of the kills then I feel invalidated as an ADC and can’t really do anything and if they don’t do well then we lose the game because bot lane got fed and there was nothing that could be done as an ADC. Unfortunately ADC is just a really greedy role because if you don’t properly scale in time you become useless for your team and carry supports in both succeeding and failing increase that notion to me

Xerath jhin bot duo w a friend is unironically an amazing time because both ults can provide vision for the other

In my server 7/10 times my ADC is an autofill and i have no choice but dealing damage to closing the damage gap.

trying to play Kalista in soloq: my autofills: vel'koz or xerath. take it or dodge

as a supp main, i do pick carry supps, depending on the team combs if we have no ap, ill pick Xerath or Zyra if avaible

I only play carry supports, I'm a support main, and it's the only reason I'm at the rank I am now. I can't tell you how many games I've won because my adc was a potato with thumbs and it was my job to be the carry. I feel like in low elo, plat and lower, picking a traditional supp is a coin flip where heads your adc is competent or tails it's a 4v5 essentially. I love playing regular supports but I've had an insane amount of success on carry supports over the past few years where I can climb from silver 4 to plat in 50 games or less.

been 2 years since this came out, and ive gotta say, aged like wine. carry supports are what i main and will probably always main because as i always say, you dont need to protect your team if you can kill the whole team in 3 buttons ( i one trick xerath)

Brand needs 1 item to carry he's just this broken

Carry supp is good when you like playing like everything is on yourself, you can't trust your teammates to carry you most of the time, also some carry supp are just too fun to play like Pyke

you and chimes are the two channels i've allways expected for

I love hearing FFXIV tracks in the background of your videos. Makes you wonder what Vars is playing in his free time :D

Oh a nice idea for a video. Been playing ADCs mostly since S1, and one of the things that i personally feel ruined the role the most are these types of supports (i should highlight that i count all mage supports in this category as well as things like sett and panth supp or god forbid MF or Twitch support that are sometimes played). It's just that ADCs have either intentionally built in weaknesses that were meant to be covered by a support or just the fact that they're under-leveled compared to rest of the lanes means that they need some form of backup, a.k.a support. What happens with these types of supports is that you completely lose that backup, especially come mid/late game and trust me there's a higher chance of you 1v5ing the entire enemy team than for someone like Xerath, Pyke, or Panth support actually caring enough to peel for you during a team fight. Nevermind something like Twitch support that was popular when S11 started that doesn't have a single ability that can help you other than a miserable slow. Now why do i actually hate these types of "damage" supports. Well cause the bottom line is if you want to do damage, there's literally 4 other lanes to choose from to do so and picking a damage support means that more than likely I'm going to have 0 support this game, no heals, no shields, no CC, no support frontline, which will usually mean that i'll have a very miserable experience. Now i don't care if i win the game cause my supp Xerath had 70k dmg done and 20/1 if i myself had 3/8 and was perma killed by their Zed. At the end of the day this is a video game and the point of it is to have fun, and having a class that relies on a support and then not having that said support, well it sucks. The fun part is that it sucks for the enemy laner as well having to go against panth,sett or any mage can be miserable. So not only are you making your ADC miserable you're making the enemy ADC miserable as well and it's completely unnecessary, like i said if you wanted damage you could play any of the other 4 lanes instead.

I play morgana in support sometimes when people really dont want me to play zyra cuz they dont like her. But it frustrates me because if you want me to be a mom kinda enchanter, i need the recognition. I "carry" but they take all the glory.

10:40 i stopped caring what my team expects me to draft. The amount of times that my team drafted 4 adcs took all hope from me

ADC mains often complain about carry supports because they can't handle the idea of not being the star of the show.

carry supports are real supports imo, especially ones that still bring utility (vision with zyra's W, healing with senna's q, gold with pyke's execute, vision with swain's W), at the risk of less CC/utlity/durability you get more damage, which can be useful in a team chock full of tanks or of only one damage type, and some (like zyra) have potential to even 1v2 the lane if their carry trolls. it's just important to pick them in the right teams, playing zyra against a team like irelia top, kha'zix jungle, talon mid, akshan ADC and pyke support will just get you blown to bits and turned into nothing but a vision bot, but picking zyra against a team of mostly melees like mundo top, olaf jungle, qiyana mid, kai'sa adc and sett support will end up with you being an extreme threat to the enemy team

yes they are real supports because they support you with the best form of cc in the game, Death

DPS botlane veigar is where its at. Nasher's tooth and liche bane combined with darkharvest turns your auto attack into an execute after landing a single dark matter cannon.

Big reason for playing carry supps (me playing lots of Zyra and Senna) is that you just have to rely on your team if you pick real supportive champions and there are so many games where you just feel hopeless because no amount of heals/shields will win a game, when ADC cannot kite or a teammate gets constantly picked out in the jungle. Do not get me wrong, I absolutely love playing someone like Nami or Janna and having an ADC on the same page dominating throughout the game, but most of the time it just does not happen. I agree someone like Zyra feels like s*it unless you really get ahead early and she requires more to have an impact, but it just feels so empowering to be a support, keeping vision, keeping track of timers etc. but on the same hand being able to instantly delete a non-tank champion.

Most of the rooster of carry supports are a result of mages getting push out of mid. I have played mages for most of my lol life, and a lot of my rooster has been push into the support role, brand, zyra, vel koz, swain, a couple of time i got scared that anivia was gonna be push into supp to, hoping it doesn't happen. On the reasons that carry supps are going up is that as you say, damage is plentiful, so plentiful, that most enchanters can't really consistently keep the carry alive, so at that point, why bother? Just grab another carry and do damage while the 200 year champion insta kills the adc faster than pix can get there. TBH besides lulu, soraka and maybe yummi. What supp is keeping the adc alive against irelia/yone/akali/zed? And it's not a sure thing, since most assassins have a get out of jail card you just spent resources and the assassin got away.

I don't understand how you say that they're not good most of the time when Senna has been insanely broke for most of the time she's been out, and other carry supports like Pyke and Vel'koz are consistently very strong.

watching this vid queuing for my 3rd pyke game in a row and continuing to take all of the kills is fun

I play a lot of Shen support. Its so satisfying to block the last auto attack of a killing blow with shens w. Shen also does a lot of damage early on and is basically a 2nd jungler by level 6.