You make a point here that I try to emphasize as a reason we need more confirmed, truly canon information: The state of FNaF theorizing is essentially heaping conjecture upon conjecture upon conjecture. Even our baseline assumptions aren't things we can have COMPLETE confidence in, and it's gotten to the point where our only option is to ASSUME that a lot of core theories are right. And that... isn't really ideal.
@@brattygamer8939 This ^^^ it’s a game outside a game, meta game, and with steelwool being kinda new and working on their game mechanics and learning, they kinda *have* to lean on the meta game (theorycrafting)
Another thing is that the name Cassidy literally means “curly hair”. And what is Andrew’s defining feature? His curly hair. That feels intentional to me. But yeah, I agree with a lot of this. Scott could’ve used ANY MCI kid for the Vengeful Spirit, but made up someone that we only hear of in a book series??
If you think about it, Golden Freddy might have been a springlock suit. So imagine what happened to William but replace William with Cassidy and you'd understand why she's vengeful
at this point the whole thing about Cassidy's genre and whether or not the Frights and Tales books really are from the same continuity as the games is just torture, we need some kind of confirmation for all this nonsense
I tend to separate them into different canons since the series started as a game...and there's differences in both williams for example...so I'll treat them as separate characters
Considering why Cassidy is the vengeful spirit is a interesting question, because of all afton’s victims why is she the one who wants to pull UCN on him the most, and there’s some interesting ideas, my take was that she was bound to the Fredbear costume that pretty much prevented her from moving for over 30 years and her only companion was a crybaby who couldn’t do much. That would definitely anger me to the point that when I was finally free, I would finally take revenge on the person that made a massive mistake killing me. If anything it serves as an interesting parallel to the crying child who has been with her in the suit the entire time, even longer. Unlike Cassidy he probably forgave his brother or realized he was trying to save them and let go of his hate, and personally it creates that interesting dynamic where CC is trying to at the very least realize, Mike is going to save them, but Cassidy is so jaded that she doesn’t believe that for a second. Idk it’s more interesting than the random crocodile masked kid.
@@Justin-zk5tr that doesn’t make too much sense, considering Fredbear is pretty much already in such a decayed state in fnaf 2 that it would look very off.
fun fact: cassidy can be either a boy or girl's name. i have a friend who is a dude and his parents named him cassidy., and it's logged under gender neutral names on google. i dunno if scott did this on purpose, but i don't think the gender of cassidy/golden freddy really matters in the fnaf lore.
And another thing that counts towards it not mattering much is the fact that they could be referring to the Golden Freddy animatronic/suit itself, as said in this video.
I always wondered why exactly Cassidy WAS the vengeful spirit until recently. Like, why does she do what she does? Just because she's more angry than the others, means she gets to keep their killer alive and presumably keep the other spirits in UCN to torment him? (Based on speculation) But then, just today actually, I was reminded of the Springlocked Cassidy Theory, the theory that Cassidy was shoved into the Golden Freddy suit by William and was springlocked. This theory makes a ton of sense!! It would explain why the end screen of UCN is Golden Freddy twitching because when Willaim was springlocked, he was also twitching, so that could be telling us how Cassidy was killed. Another hint would be that some people think Cassidy was killed DURING FNAF 2 because Golden Freddy became a threat the night when Phone Guy tells you that "one of the yellow suits was used". Perhaps that suit was used to kill a child, but not in the way you might think. Now, I was confronted with this idea by a friend who wrote about Cassidy, and they described her as having *springlock scars.* A cool design. An awesome description. But it made me suddenly be hit with the realization that THIS CHILD COULD HAVE BEEN SPRINGLOCKED. It had never hit me as hard as it did then. I have seen many animations, sound designs, and analyses on springlock failures. Heck, I've even seen your video describing a springlock failure. I've heard sound designers put together what they think it might've sounded like when William was springlocked, all kinds of stuff like that. I always saw springlock failures as a truly horrifying part of fnaf, but never dwelled too hard on it. But when I was given the mental image of Cassidy with the same scars as William from the novels, it made me suddenly imagine all those audios, all those descriptions, all those animations with CASSIDY instead. A little kid. Can you even imagine that? Could you comprehend the thing you're imagining? Imagine a little girl getting shoved into a suit by a man who is bigger and stronger than her. She struggles, but the man overpowers her and locks the suit. It's cramped and dark, and the girl desperately tries fidgeting to get out. This suit was decommissioned ages ago, she has no idea what it is. Suddenly, either her tears, her movement, or something caused by William triggers something, and the springlocks _snap_ God, the sounds... the sounds she would have made... the image of a little girl screaming in agony as her bones get crushed and her body is twisted and snapped before another sickening crunch cuts her screaming off, and then just hearing the gurgling choking and sobs of a scared kid coming from a Fredbear suit... I never truly imagined Cassidy being springlocked until now... I've imagined Willaim getting springlocked many times... and now replacing that with a scared, screaming child... god... Let's just say I understand Cassidy's anger a fair bit better now...
Also think about it like this, her suit was pretty much abandoned for decades with her only companion being a crybaby holding onto presumably false hope, it makes sense why she would become vengeful.
I believe that Cassidy was springlocked, but mainly because Golden Freddy's ambience in AR, where we hear someone say "stop!" And insane laughs(Probably from William) with sounds that remind me of springlocks. (I don't agree that was during fnaf 2 though, xd) Though,I will say, even if we use TMIR1280 as a parallel, then Cassidy didn't keep the other spirits there, considering there are only 2 brainwaves in the story.
I really appreciate this kind of content, being up-front about uncertainty, as opposed to general trend in FNaF theorists (especially on RU-vid) being more like, "something something CONFIRMED!!!!", "DEBUNKING blah blah blah", "I SOLVED Five Nights at Freddy's!!!!!!!", etc etc. I know it's mostly just clickbait, but I still find it pretty exhausting and obnoxious. We're all in this together, we should be able to acknowledge that basically everything in this story is obscured by many layers of mystery and uncertainty. I much prefer this sort of discussion-style writing, where you're just going through ideas and explaining how you feel about them and why, without any overconfident pretenses.
in short: fnaf theorists can't settle on any one character's personality, sometimes micheal is a douche, sometimes hes a kind soul, sometimes cassidy wants to keep william in hell, sometimes she just sort of... exists, sometimes elizibeth is a kind little girl, other times she is "the next big bad", sometimes charlie wants to help the souls move on, sometimes she is a robot and may/may not be baby and the puppet at the same time maybe? idk. frankly i dont find the personalities of the characters important because scott is almost equally as inconsistent as the theorists in terms of keeping the characters in character, if you ask me only the names of the characters matter.
I thought the general consensus on Michael is that he was a douche as a kid but then became good as an adult. Cassidy I'd say it's less than a character thing and moreso how involved they think they are in the story. Same thing with Elizabeth, most people would agree she's a William simp as her character the only discussion is how much importance she has in the story. Most people believe Charlie just wants to help people move on, the other stuff is from the novel trilogy. As for scott he's generally been consistent with the main characters personality, its moreso that he's vague on the details which leads to people to speculate.
Imo, the theorists can’t be blamed for this at all. Every single point you’ve listed is due to Scott canonically giving mixed signals on their personalities. Elizabeth was trying to con William in SL, suddenly she’s trying to make him proud in Pizzeria Simulator. Different versions of Charlie are canonically the Puppet (games), or a robot (novels), or Baby/Eleanor with Elizabeth as just another of her victims (also novels). Golden Freddy is kept vague because Lore. William goes from an irrational serial killer to an evil scientist to immortal cult leader. The only one that makes any sense is Michael having a redemption arc.
14:47 is the easiest way to shut down VengefulAndrew, like seriously, the question isn't why Andrew is the vengeful spirit, but why would Scott make them the vengeful spirit
I love how genuine this video is, it's not about solving something but rather ranting about being completely lost and without solution, honestly pretty relatable
I sometimes wonder where the solidified lore points actually are. 1-3 is arguably a good cutoff point. 1-4 is explicitly an intended ending. Fnaf world ties into the 1-4 story in some way, and acts as a testing ground for future story lines. The Novel Trilogy begins. Sister location - UCN has some ties to both the first Novel and 1-4? But how everything fits is really confusing. Fazbear Frights, FNAF AR, Help Wanted, Security Breach, and Tales are all trying to tell us something? What I would wish for is an explicit explanation of 1-UCN as a baseline for the modern story. If that is too much, then we need an explicit guide to what is important to the lore right now.
What we need is a reboot. I'm not oking. The timeline is beyond saving. We need to start a new FNAF timeline that ignores all the games except for the first one and uses that as a jump-off point, a.l.a Heisei Godzilla series. This is the only way to save FNAF now
What I really hate is how theorists seem to be super, super allergic to new characters. Cassie has to be Cassidy or charlie, gregory has to be C.C, everyone in existence has to be Elisabeth. the theory matpat had dragging willaims wife in (is now ancient if you do some maths to try and get an age) to be pulling the strings since he couldn't find a different old character to reuse, it's ridiculous.
To be fair, scott is fueling these people, if cassie has no connection to past characters, why would he choose a name so similiar 🤦♂️🤦♂️ i actually facepalmed when i heard "cassie" in the trailer, like why would they call her that, its only there to cause more confusion
Can you blame them tho, especially when the franchise seems to be hinting the return of old characters? Gregory in one of the endings is symbolising/paralleling C.C so the connection isn't from nowhere. Also no if you do the math on Williams wife's age she doesn't have to be ancient she could just be much younger than William, with that in mind she'd just be old which isn't a deal breaker as you dont have to be young to be a ceo. As for the ceo thing, it's not just that he couldn't find another old character to use, he couldn't find another narratively satisfying character to use that made more sense. Adding on to the ceo thing it being just a randomly introduced character who we have no connection to is lazy and dumb.
@John Man no a new random character being CEO is not lazy and dumb. Its what the franchise NEEDS, new characters and new antagonist, your comment implies that william's wife being CEO is narratively satisfying when its dumb, its stupid and alot of people in the community also seems to think so, move on
Completely agree with you mate, this has been immensely frustrating and difficult, you made a great point comparing Michaels reveal and the Andrew reveal. Michaels reveal essentially makes a lot of events in the games neater to put together and simpler to understand. Andrews reveal does nothing but invalidate an existing character that was name dropped in one of the biggest lore books in the series. Again, sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer, and I think the Andrew reveal and the over reliance of book stuff has done more harm than good. I agree that the books parallel *in some ways*, but they’re not the be all end all to answering all the questions we have. Still, keep up the great work.
If Cassidy truly is Golden Freddy, (alongside BV) TOYSNHK, The Vengeful Spirit, the LogBook spirit and the Princess, than she is my favorite FNaF character
Dude, THANK YOU! The gender thing especially just drives me nuts. "TOYSNHK is male so it's not Cassidy, full stop, I refuse to hear any refutations because this is absolutely confirmed information." Drives me nuts. But yes, literally all of this. You nailed it. Wish I could link this every time someone tries to be stubborn about Stitchline but I already know those people would never watch the video :P
People want FNAF lore to be simple and then say “This character we’ve NEVER ever seen before that was never even alluded to is important rather than this confirmed important character with a GENDER NEUTRAL NAME being a boy, “ and then actively make it more complicated
plus if anything Andrew and Jake's storyline proved that when two spirits possess something, they get... blurry. I always assumed that's why the voice was meant to be gender neutral, and both pronouns can be heard...it's a blur between CC and Cassidy
I'll be real, I always thought Mangle's various pronouns were because Mangle is a lot of parts from different animatronics, which I thought was cool. Knowing the amount of characters that have had their genders and entire characterization rewritten though, it feels a lot less cool :(
I've always had this sort of mindset that Mangle's "main" body was female, like the appearance implies, and that second head was male After AR and UCN, Mangle got a voice that sounded very distinctly female, albeit through a harsh filter. However, it had a second voice that sounded more masculine, and usually followed up the more feminine voice. This, to me, made it seem like a secondary part, as opposed to the feminine primary There were some other reasons, but they were more speculative, and not as important. I stick with this mindset, though
@@HackRazor1012Of course it was. I feel like people just can't call Mangle an "her" and move on. All fandoms have to dig deep to find a character's pronouns. Ennard is a male, but has a female voice? He's a combination of all souls, but call him a he. Funtime Foxy has makeup, but male voice? It's a male, call him a he. But people can't get over Mangle. It's not that deep, just female.
you know, i think ive cracked the code when it comes to fnaf lore it is unsolvable, because scott never intended for it to get this big. every game he made, he thought would be the last. he never had and still does not have a perfectly defined timeline and an explenation for everything, because most of the stuff he put in, he was just pulling out of his ass to make the theorists make theories, which in turn would get more people interested in his games. and honestly, that's a great marketing startegy, but it does kinda leave the fans that want to solve the lore in shambles. that's why i've stopped trying to solve the fnaf lore, and instead i've made my own timeline, changing small details so that it makes sense, ignoring whole stories from fazbear's frights, while others are included, and just making a story that definitely is not the actual story of fnaf, but does make sense and is still very much like fnaf.
Honestly at this point, I feel like the refusal to explain literally anything is just a ploy to either get fans to spend money on various unrelated aspects of the franchise, or ass-covering for how Scott seems to just kinda suck at writing longform narratives.
This is prolly the best video ive seen talking about Cassidy, her role, and how her mere existance throws a wrench into Stitchline. I have to agree with most of it, I do think Cassidy is Golden Freddy and I do think that Stitchline and Frights as a whole is a seperate continuity. One thing I gotta say is I do think that Tales is in the game universe jus cuz "In the world of the newest games" seems way more direct than just "these stories connect to the games" ((cuz like yea all the stories connect to the games, the OG novels connect too and theyre a seperate continuity too)) plus Tales acts like the opposite to Frights. where Frights would have a ton of changes and retcons to fit into the games, Tales is the opposite and basically just makes SB make sense lmao I do get the point about Vanny with Tales but tbh I think it's just she hasnt arrived at the PizzaPlex yet cuz she did first work at the Special Delivery service so hopefully shes introduced or refrenced in someway soon in the books ((altho GGY being Patient46 basically ties into Vanessa already)) But overall, great video! loved it!
I think I agree with just about everything you say in this video, there are certainly a few exceptions but mostly this video is just my thoughts exactly. The gender debate is stupid. Stitchline works better as parralels. MCI 6 would be a horrible idea when Scott could just pick any existing MCI kid and it wouldn't really change anything. TOYSNHK is a really stupid acronym. Cassidy under Stitchline is barely even a character, which makes no sense considering the mystery surrounding her. The DCI is the only place where Andrew could die without contradicting anything. The alligator mask makes no sense. Pretty much a slam dunk on how I feel about the way the community treats my favourite character, good video!
This was a sorely needed piece of media for the fnaf space. Great analysis vid. Hopefully opens a door for some productive discussion in the community about the direction the franchise is in.
great video, you've taken every word out of my mouth and more. God, this whole Cassidy/ Andrew debate gives me such a headache, but that's the beauty of piecing together the FNAF lore, am I right, fellas?
Or maybe Cassidy wasn’t even related to Golden Freddy at all and that one OTHER code was an anagram for Golden Freddy’s REAL name. Hmmmm [yeah, this is why I don’t believe half of what Matpat says after FNAF 6, the code to solving Golden Freddy’s name was literally right there, he LITERALLY HAD THE GLFIUS PART IN THE BAG AND THEN DIDN’T UNSCRAMBLE IT INTO GF LUIS, I can’t-] But yeah I think golden Freddy is just some random kid named Luis and Cassidy is like Shadow Bonnie or something. And then CC’s also in Golden.
@@BKRproductions6468ome random mistake in Matpat’s analysis is what you think is right? and not only that the shadows are dark remnant sooo… Edit: Cassidy is confirmed as the sixth grave, so you’re objectively wrong here
@@SCP-469 it was just a theory sheesh- Also, I’m pretty sure I never said anything about Cassidy’s grave being the 6th grave being wrong, but if by the 6th grave you mean the one at the top then yeah, I’m wrong.
if he really is the vengeful spirit, andrew is a flat out useless character. he shows up for one game and then fucks off. with cassidy being the vengeful spirit, it at the very least gives golden freddy some semblance of importance, especially considering how scott has always treated golden freddy as being more special than the other animatronics. it is simply better from a storytelling perspective to make it cassidy. retconning in a secret sixth victim that is angry enough to torture afton for one game, but not angry enough to fulfill any other purpose is just lame.
It made more sense to me for the vengeful spirit to be “William Afton”. The ghost’s true name is Sammy Emily and the body found in Fazbear’s Frights would instead belong to his father. William Afton is the kind of character that drops his old identities to blend in. Even the William Afton name is a fake identity since the start. Everyone thinks Evan is William’s son, when we know Evan in the books is a father that lost his son and suspiciously can contain the remnants of living beings from his animatronics. If you think about it, GF is always tied to a mad scientist theme and his nightmare counterpart references William’s lines of “put you back together” than “William Afton” (Scraptrap) ever does.
Since you brought it up I can't help but find it very weird that there isn't a Frights story for Mangle, they're practically designed to tell all kinds of stories based off the design alone, they could be a ravenous monster, sympathetic but misunderstood, just generally weird and a red herring, etc.
Why not all of the above, for maximum fun factor? We know Mangle's main "personality" has some...issues, to say the least, but (usually) didn't seem inherently malicious. Mostly jokey and mischievous, though definitely with a dark sense of humor, with a mix of mental instability and pride (honestly, I would totally hang out with Mangle). Though, being fair, I think we'd all be pretty unstable if we had a second person living in our body, and were constantly getting taken apart and reassembled The second head, (presumably) the one that tends to follow up Mangle's statements, comes off as much more violent and longing (maybe regretful?), always talking about mistakes of the past, or ways to harm others, and referring to people as things like "victim," calling themselves perilous, etc. Definitely got the potential to be very fun in a story situation. Shame it hasn't happened yet
@@HackRazor1012 The thing too is that they don't have to stay within the bounds of known canon which can lead to even more fun to be had, since the idea of the short stories is(or was?) to toy around with various ideas and themes found throughout the universe.
@@vulpinitemplar5036 Exactly! You can do all sorts of fun things with Mangle in a story, canon or otherwise Maybe I should try my hand at it if I ever get back into writing
The events of the books are literally happening in each respective book continuity. They are canon, just not to the games timeline and events down to the last detail. But one thing I do think, is that Cassidy is curious for Crying Child, wants to help him and the other spirits move on, and wants to make William suffer. She might have warmed up to the younger Afton boy, but still hated his dad which can be reasonable. There is the Jrs. story from the fan verse in which the opposite is true, but I suspect that even for each fanverse game is it's own continuity and canon that can link to the mainline series while mainly just needing to follow the general rules of how the world works like child possession and killer robots and the details can be sorted out at a case by case basis. Canon is only what you make of it, and retcons are definitely not being had or at least are minimized, so I do wonder that if Cassidy is the One You Should Not Have Killed, in what regard does she mean that? If she does seem to at least talk with Crying Child, and has to be stuck with him and asks about his Fredbear plush and his name, I find it equally bizarre for the usage of "The One You Should Not Have Killed" to be completely selfish in nature. Perhaps the moniker refers to the fact Golden Freddy is fighting back to this vicious extent, or the fact that not letting William go would make sure he suffers for everything he has done to everyone else. You are right that it feels all up in the air, but I feel that maybe that if the details that people guess and come up with don't conflict with the story itself, and aren't confirmed or corrected, they aren't a serious issue. Like the Frights books make sure to let us know Andrew didn't have a positive experience growing up with anyone before his death, and the Tales book series mentions someone in a game with a probably dead Girl and a lake like with UCN in the machine, with one of her memories being of alcoholism in her family home. So the aggression the UCN spirit has towards William makes sense.
Yeah you summed up my frustrations with Stitchline pretty much exactly. That said though, even I can’t deny that some of the evidence for it has started to get quite good. It may at least be a plausible direction for where the franchise is going. So to that end… Could it be possible that Andrew is the Bite Victim? Frights is super vague about Andrew’s past, because he doesn’t remember it, and the BVs future in the games is similarly vague too. The Character Encyclopedia also draws BV as a kind of shadowy ghost figure, even though he never appears that way in the games- but it DOES kind of match how Andrew appears as a shadowy child in the hospital. Even things like Andrew wearing a mask to scare people could be explained as the BV remembering how people in masks used to torment him. Plus, Andrew is unable to see when inside the Stitchwraith, and BV allegedly says “I can’t see” in the Logbook. Idk, it’s not a perfect theory, but maybe it could potentially reconcile the Stitchline being in the games without having to shoehorn in an entirely new character.
We must consider that Andrew has curly black hair while bite victim has brown hair and without forgetting that Andrew is implied that he was injured or killed by william (Unless Scott decided to give Bite victim a redesign and decided to have William kill Bite victim in the hospital)
Strangely, you can blame Security Breach for a lot of this. The game came out in an incomplete state so odds are things like GGY and the mimic were supposed to be in the final game but had to get cut to meet the release date, leaving the books to be the only ways to reveal the lore. This newfound importance of the books means theorists now see the books as fair game. If we're going to go back to the old lore, I personally would prefer that we solve some old mysteries instead of using the books to retcon what was already canon. We still haven't solved when Sister Location takes place for instance, and I'd argue that's far more important than shoving Andrew into canon when he essentially is just a more confusing Cassidy.
Honestly, the identity of TOYSNHK is one of the very, very few things where I'm willing to just set aside the evidence and go with the more narratively satisfying answer. Yeah, the seventh victim in TC:THSY and the male pronouns seem to point to Andrew, but that's just so _lame_ as a story. I don't like the suit argument, but I'm firmly on board with Happiest Day being for Cassidy, which means I have to accept it because of FNaF World anyway, so eh. And speaking of World, if it's Cassidy then you open up the possibility of connecting UCN to Happiest Day (Puppet says "I need you to stay out of my way" as if he's on a mission, there's a bunch of FNaF World easter eggs, entering OMC's Happiest Day lake shuts off the game), which is a neat way to tie FFPS back to the original ending as well as to finally explain why Golden Freddy napping was required for the others to rest in the first place: he's holding them all back to torture William. It's just... so much better than anything you can do with Andrew there instead. I usually try to rely on evidence-based theories even when I don't like them, but I have a hard time letting this one go.
I think the term I'd use for the book version of events is "Abridged." An attempt at telling the same story with details changed for the sake of condensing the story. Essentially, the FNaF story abridged.
If its wills nightmare caused by Cass, then technically none of the characters are their own selves and the only other person there is Cassidy, then mangle and chica are a form of cassidy referring to himself. Which is why im confused at the "their referring to the gender of the robot" defense, but like why would cassidy use the pronouns of the animatronic he was stuffed in?
To be fair, Henry says to Elizabeth “if you even remember that name” implying spirits can forget who they were. And Andrew also has this in the books barely remembering his name and parts of who he was and how he died. Actually that’s a new argument maybe Cassidy doesn’t remember much of who they actually are and thinks of themselves as just golden Freddy.
@@siresquawks its amazing how nobody brought this up. Like its actually a good argument that is almost convincing me of the possibility. You are truly the best fnaf theorist out there.
It’s very strongly implied book Henry caused Afton’s first spring lock failure before his suicide hence the scars they see on his back. Read the suicide note with this in mind. Problem is, Afton survived. So game and book Henry aren’t that far apart.
@@Y-E-R-I i seen your comment but before you get mad i wanna explain why. The logbook (which is a book connected to the actual game.) mike uses redpen and draws nightmare fredbear. And then the phone call in fnaf 4 files. (Its the night 1 phone call.) but my main problem with the dream being from micheal is n.foxy (foxybro and n.foxy have the same jumpscare noise.) but it is micheal so either mike/foxybro is somehow the dreamer or bv is somehow mike. (But im not gonna add revival to my confusion.). I thought about it and i do agree with you. It makes more sense for the dreamer to be bv. More because of n.foxy (not the hostipal equiment. Since thats also evidence for it not being bv. Since how would bv see that if he basically was in a coma. Plus he died by a flatline don’t think a coma dream would be That long. It what confuses
@@TrickyTurtle123 i know about the logbook, but you have to understand that mike was asking questions and communicating with someone, or something (i.e. "WHAT IS YOUR NAME" and others) my theory is that he is communicating with cassidy. and cassidy is possessing golden freddy, and there is a possibility that the BV also is possessing golden freddy. so how did mike know about the nightmares? that's how.
@@Y-E-R-I The thing is, the faded writing is different to the very not faded writing by Mike/Michael. Not to mention I doubt any kid can give a pretty much 100% accurate description of Nightmare Fredbear… It’s reasonable why people believe Micheal’s having nightmares or that the nightmares are real creations William unleashed on his son, because IN WHAT UNIVERSE CAN YOU REASONABLY EXPLAIN THAT SHIT without either some bs or Micheal somehow being shown it or seeing it at some point before.
@@Y-E-R-I I don’t get what your saying since mike doesn’t seem to be really comaticating. The logbook ask about a recent dream so mike does so. Implying fnaf 4 gameplay is recent. The logbook straight out tells you in the face that mike is the one who dreamed of n.fredbear. (Im avoiding talking about the expermints room because thats another can of worms.) But sadly the logbook says its mike. This is why mikevictim vs mikebro became it. Also the only way i could see mike is communicating is that if you count the “do you have any dreams” and him drawing it as a reply. I do believe BvDreamer but not mikebro. (MikeDreamer is canon not matter what. The logbook implies mike Schmidt is the dreaming just like the fnaf 1 night 1 phonecall in fnaf 4.) (yeah its in there if I remember correctly you had to find it from the file.) I do wish mikebro and BvDreamer could both work but the logbook sadly throws a whole into that. Honestly if i don’t convince you I don’t blame you. Bv should be the dreamer. (It makes sense.) but the problem is the dreamer also has to be mike.)
Remember when Nintendo came out with: hey toz has three timelines actually? And all of them are canon? It would be nice if they even gave us a shred of something like that. It might help categorize stuff a bit more.
The more I think about the Cassidy screenplay, the more I feel it wasn't that much of a "complicated visual encyclopedia" that Scott makes it out to be, and instead, he psyched himself out. Like, he is so unused to writing a streamlined and normal story, without mysteries or sudden reveals, that to him it looked too complicated and "saturated" and he scrapped it so he wouldn't have to actually try and write something like that. Especially if its following the story of Cassidy, it should only follow her until she turns into Golden Freddy, whether thats during the MCI or as some fans theorize during the events of FNAF 2 (which has its own issues with the lore but it can fit well narratively speaking). Unless he wanted to make a movie that goes from roughly the beginning of the franchise (the moment of the MCI) to roughly the end (UCN), then that just seems like a really large movie that follows the entire events of the first 6 games and doesn't seem as focused on Cassidy. Also, it's a bit unrelated, but there's probably something to be said about Scott preferring to make a movie that would accessible to anybody watching rather than one targeted only at fans. Which is fine if you're focused on making money.
the reason scott doesn't correct matpat like I've said before is matpat is a money maker for like every game dev, even more so then markiplier [argubly]. matpat once said in a video he was called "the white whale of gaming that if you could get a theory on your game made it would then break numbers" i decided to fact check this with a horror dev friend of mine [im not going to name names because i don't know if he WANTS to be named] but he confirmed "yes for horror indie devs and even some triple A devs matpat is the golden goose of gaming we take his feed back into consideration." so scott even if he dislikes matpat won't openly disconfirm anything he says out loud, because even if he disagrees he's still making him money more then any other theorist.
also look at how much he has solved even before any of this new wave of fed up theorist came he was doing theories since 2000's and he will be around long after you and me.
If feels like Fazbear Frights has a lot of points that go against the canon, for example in Coming Home where Susie is released while Freddy's is still open, or how Funtime Freddy exists outside of Circus's Baby's in Count the Ways instead of turning into Ennard/MoltenFredsy.
Susie and the MCI happened in the 1960s. The original Fazbears closed down its doors in the 1970’s and Henry bought out the company, creating the Sister Location and the fnaf2 location. Edwin and William both worked for Henry in the 1980’s. The latter was using a new alias (William Afton). His former name could be Susie’s father. Since her, Jake, and the CC each tied their plushies to their father. Speaking of which, you would lose your mind if I told you Evan was William Afton’s true identity.
@@killerman3715 I honestly cannot see this, considering that the Sister Location has to be older than 1985. The Sister Location is literally the result of the MCI aftermath.
@@justice8718 freddy fazbear 80s get confirmed original freddy create in 1983 after year mimic story after year 5 kids get kill by William Fnaf sister location after 87
Interesting video and I think you really get to the nub of why theorising for Fnaf isn't fun anymore. We have a canon where we don't know whether info is coming from Scott, Steal Wool or even the authors of some of the book stories, we don't know whether guides to the games or even character bios can be trusted due to general false information and those books being made with little thought as to not even use fan art or fan renders. And we just don't know what is and isn't connected to our original lore which is the one we're still invested in. Take Tales from the Pizza Plex for an example, that name screams "I am going to be showing you events we've not seen in security breach happening around the mall the game takes place in, and they're very much canon to said game" but now due to some conflicting info and the previous series, Fazbear Frights being in it's own weird state of canon we just don't know for sure whether TFTPP is in fact canon in the game lore. And yknow what? This was all a completely avoidable situation. Just a little clarity to help point fans on the right direction is all it takes. If Scott had just said, "okay the continuity is so messy at this point that making a book in it would just be impossible and come with a lot of baggage, the three novels are not connected at all" when he was making The Silver Eyes instead of that incredibly vague and frustrating "not intended to fit like two pieces in a jigsaw puzzle" quote we got, we'd know that the books have their own story to dive into and keep it away from the games, but of course he couldn't help himself and Sister Location just muddies the waters further. If Scott had just decided to keep Fazbear Frights in the book universe rather than a VERY vague, "some stories are from one universe, some another" quote then we'd know how to use the info those books gave us to. And finally if Scott had just made it clear when he retired that he was handing over the story to someone else now and that he'd have no involvement, we'd know whether what we see in SB and beyond is an intentional call back to the past, whether it contradicts events for lore reasons or just because a new team are incharge now and they have no idea what any of this stuff means. You get what I'm saying? When you have a community that rips everything to shreds from books, to games, to what the creator/artists and other talents involved say about them outside of the canon, being this vague on how the rules to solving the mystery can only get you so far before people like me become disillusioned and just stop caring, stop cheering when MatPat, Fuhnaff or other creator release another new theory and worst of all, stop thinking about it.
Speaking about “fandom erasure” I find it ironic how the majority of the fandom just decides on what the lore is based off of what MatPat says, including Scott at this point. Edit: I just wish Scott would stop playing games and just confirm some stuff already.
As much as it is confusing and basically...strange, to me TCHSY is the thing that just basically says that there was a seventh victim planned and we were supposed to see it...somehow? And in a somewhat of a funny cutscene for some reason, lol. It is JUST my opinion, but if TCHSY isn't Charlie - MCI - Andrew, then it just makes it a WHOLE LOT confusing(as if it weren't enough already) Also, if Tiger Rock or B7-2 somehow will mention Vanny, then I guess the NoVannyTales part of this video will...age like milk,I guess. Though I believe they could be keeping her secret for whatever reason, just like Glamrock Bonnie is.
TO be honest, it would be a bit strange if suddenly in book 7-9 we get the """"main"""" (heavy quotes there) antagonist of the game, but GGY happened so who knows. I had a cut rant from this video why I felt she wasn't going to appear, but it wasn't great, kinda boiling down to how Tales and Frights are so Karma driven and Vanny isn't very karmic by nature, she'd just be a bunny lady killing people out of nowhere or a random security guard. And none of the stories we know of seem to clue us in. If she appears I feel like it'll be as a cameo at most, and that's a bullet I'm willing to bite. ON the Toy Chica shit, I feel like there's an easy chance Scott deliberately chose a random number of victims because he knew people would try to make it about the MCI. It just so happened that the new book series could be fenagled pretty easily into including it. I mean this would've happened with almost any number he picked. If it were 8 people would say it was including Elizabeth. 9 add the bite victim. 11+ any combo including the DCI kids, 4 it's about the original cast. The joke only works if there's tons of cutscenes increasing in absurdity, so it can't be any less. I feel it's an interpretation extremely built in confirmation bias.
@@siresquawks Well, some people believe that Bleeding Heart could be the thing for whatever reason...and B7-2...well, it kinda has nothing known about it(aside from B7 part 2,i guess,lol) so you can insert anything there, I guess. As for the Toy Chica thing...Honestly, if it WAS his intention he should've made the kill count lower than 5 or made it STUPIDLY high so that we couldn't add ANYTHING there(or at least idk, make that she has a thousand parts of animatronics in the last cutscene, that it falls off of her backpack already, or that the ENTIRE background behind the tree she's sitting on is filled with just animatronic parts, on theory that seems funnier to me than what we got if it's just meant to be a "funny cutscene" meant for nothing(though that maybe could be too much work)) And it's just feels kinda strange to me that the cutscene has come to being proof if it was just random, lol.
I thought it was obvious that both the frights and pizzaplex books aren't canon to the games simply due to characters being introduced that wouldn't make sense to be in the games, the problems of placing the stories in the timeline of the games and some of the stories being basically just parallels that if added would be redundant.
Gregory is a boy voiced by a female, Gohan is a boy voiced by a female, ash is a boy voiced by a female, this isn't exactly huge relevant information. It's Scott saying feel free to voice it male or female as in female voice actors can try to make the character sound like female or male and male voice actors can try make the voice sound female. As it doesn't need to be gender specific. As in must be voiced by a female to sound female. It's more to let all voice actors have a shot at it. P j Heywood made Afton sound English and Elizabeth Afton lines were already recorded in American, Scott requested her to revoice her lines in English because he liked Heywood's English accent and Elizabeth is still Afton's daughter. That's why her voice actor has two reviews for the same voice actress only a few days apart, Scott never requested an English accent for Afton but it was too good. The whisper voice may not even be the whisper behind the mediocre melodies but actually trash and the gang. Which sounds exactly like the sister location bidibabs in the sister location saying "don't hold it against us, you don't know what we've been through"
Here's my thing. The Tales stories have waaaaay too many links to the actual game continuity to be written off as just there for parallels. GGY describes stuff we see in the games, The Epilogues describe stuff we see in the games, Help Wanted describes stuff we know happens in the games, Bobbiedots describes stuff we see in the games, etc. These don't feel like parallels at all, these feel like Scott literally telling us things what happens. It would be one thing if what happens in GGY was SIMILAR to Patient 46's story but it seems to be directly the same thing. A child being talked to be a therapist that also works at a school with that child being some hacker that has something to do with the animatronics going haywire. That feels like a direct connection. Help Wanted tells the story of an indie dev that is hired by Fazbear Entertainment to make games for them, the indie dev proceeds to make 3 and dies before the 4th one is complete. In the VR game, we hear the story of an indie dev that is hired by Fazbear Entertainment to make games for them, only FNAF 1-3 seem to have been made as they're the only ones with actually named modes. Bobbiedots mentions how they have to keep the generators in the play structures just as we see in the game. These aren't just similar things, these are blatant connections. If some of the Tales stories are in continuity which they seem to be then why not some of the Frights stories which shares the same genre, authors, publisher, structure, and intent as Tales? I don't see Andrew being in the games as ruining Cassidy at all, she's still Golden Freddy and likely the only Golden Freddy as I doubt BV is Golden Freddy and Andrew being Golden Freddy is tied to a story not even confirmed to be in the Stitchline, she's still responsible for helping BV recover his memories which is what leads to Happiest Day, and she's still likely to be the Princess in Princess Quest helping free Vanessa from Glitchtrap's control. Her not being TOYSNHK doesn't ruin anything about her character mainly because she had no character, her character was completely tied to the theory of her being the Vengeful Spirit which seems to contradict her character in the Logbook. Also, Scott barely ever clarifies anything, the last time he clarified anything lore related was 3 years ago where he basically said that the next games will be in the future and the books will fill in the blanks of the past. Before that was a post 4 years ago where he said that he wasn't in the game universe. Also him not confirming Fazbear Frights being in continuity or not doesn't prove they aren't. UCN and AR was never proven in continuity by Scott but we accept them as being in universe. The Logbook was never proven to be canon and yet we accept that. By your logic, would those have to be out of continuity as Scott never confirmed them? Also the book post was him confirming Silver Eyes wasn't in the game universe, so why wouldn't he do something similar for Frights? StitchlineGames has been a pretty popular theory, maybe not by a majority of the community but still a big portion of it, wouldn't Scott clarify something either way if he's so open to clarifying things in posts?
I agree about Tales, but not necessarily about frights. Scott said that *some* of the stories in the Frights series are *connected* to the games in the steam post mentioning the progress on various projects he was working on at the time. Sure that isn’t outright denial that they take place in the games’ universe, but the wording does not imply either way if it is or not. That being said the fact they’re connected does not mean events in the Frights books happened (or even happened as depicted) in the games’ universe, the Silver Eyes Trilogy is also connected to the games and as you mentioned, isn’t in the same continuity. Hell, just because one series (referring to Tales) is probably canon doesn’t mean the other has to be even if they share similar DNA. Not to mention that Scott has stated when a game is not canon as recent as the street fighter parody made to apologize for Security Breach taking a while, which came out after UCN and I believe AR. So I don’t think that argument holds much water. The whole StitchlineGames thing tho, ehhhh… There’s still a lot of big community theories Scott has never clarified if they’re true or not so I wouldn’t take his silence on it to mean anything, especially since he has stepped away from interacting with the fandom publicly for quite sometime now. Edit: Just realized I never brought up your thoughts on if Andrew being canon to the games ruins Cassidy as a character. Just wanted to state I’m neutral on that topic because that’s way more subjective than anything else to discuss, so no arguments with you there (although eh, disagree on Cassidy being the Princess). Edit 2: In addition, I do want to state tho that Tales differentiates from Frights in that the former works better with the games while the latter I find causes a lot more issues with them if its canon. Also like hard disagree on Logbook Cassidy contradicting Vengeful Spirit Cassidy. BV (or whoever the other spirit is) ain’t the target of his/her vengeance, it’s William. Unless you mean some other contradiction in which… what is it? Cause there ain’t much character to go off of the logbook that ain’t speculation besides that they’re curious about the other spirit (and seems to probably have their memories).
@@lazulitrueblue I think Tales is similar to Frights in that not every story in Tales is connected to the games. For example, Lally's Game, Somniphobia, Submechaphobia, and Drowning aren't all that tightly connected to the games or other stories in Tales or Frights. If I had to guess, those stories probably aren't in continuity. Same with the Frights, some are directly connected to the games, some aren't. Scott also didn't just say they were connected to the games, he said they were DIRECTLY connected to the games. To me, that means more than just basic parallels and in the epilogue we see accurate references to FFPS and UCN. I don't see how Scott stating certain things as out of continuity proves that Frights is out of continuity. Yeah, he said that the Streets of Rage parody wasn't in continuity but he didn't say anything about Frights. Scott doesn't need to confirm something being in continuity for it to be in continuity, Scott never confirmed UCN or AR to be in continuity but we accept them as being in continuity. The only thing Frights affects in the timeline is the length from UCN to Tales and Andrew, that's about it. It doesn't actually cause that many problems at all, at least not any that haven't already been given answers by many others who believe in the Stitchline. Golden Freddy in every game they appear as an enemy is trying to kill the guard because she thinks they may be the one that killed her. She has the same goal as the other MCI kids, including the goal of escaping the animatronics. We see this in the Logbook where Cassidy tries to get BV to remember his past, FNAF 3 and World shows that those memories are what helps free the MCI kids including Cassidy. Cassidy wants to kill William and be free, so it makes no sense for her to decide that she doesn't want to rest and instead wants to stay and torture William forever, it goes against her goal in the games. The Trilogy Novel version of Cassidy and their version of Golden Freddy also share almost nothing in common with Andrew personality wise with Michael also wanting to just get rid of William and free himself and his friends.
@@arelious8339 The comment about Scott being open about games being out of continuity isn’t to argue that it means Frights isn’t, just that I wouldn’t use it as an argument in favour for the books as Scott is more open about the games compared to the books, y’know? And eh, I disagree about Frights. If the events that happen in Frights does happen in the games universe, Susie is put to rest at a different time than the others which is just narratively… unnecessary. The puppet didn’t get put to rest in FFPS because the mask still has some spirit left in it, Afton didn’t burn in the fire so once again, fuck FFPS’ ending I guess. And seriously, what’s the point of introducing Andrew as the Vengeful Spirit? Why is he the vengeful spirit, why couldn’t it be one of the previous MCI kids? Introdoucing them into a bunch of books WE’RE STILL ARGUING about the canonicity of is just… why?
Also ehhhh, I feel post-FNAF 4… that the kid in the Golden Freddy mask is supposed to be BV in Happiest Day. Inverse of the FNAF 4 Pizzeria layout, everybody wearing masks, a party for somebody who never got it? That seems way more up his alley. Hell, it could even be a Fredbear mask if you don’t believe in GoldenDuo. Besides that Cassidy only tries to kill the guard, where is your proof in the games that she wants to be free like the others? Hell, GF doesn’t even appear in 3 or 6. The whole point of the vengeful spirit is that it’s the one William shouldn’t have killed, so clearly they hate him more than the other victims. Thus Cassidy can still want to be free from her robotic form and also want vengeance more than anybody else.
@@lazulitrueblue Coming Home isn't in the Stitchline. I always see that exact story used against Stitchline and I've never understood why it keeps getting used as though it's apart of the Stitchline. Also, considering how Security Breach seems to have brought back some characters that should've been freed in the fire, I wouldn't be surprised if the DLC revealed that The Puppet is still around. Also, FFPS' ending has been messed with since UCN as the lines in that game heavily imply William actually isn't dead and is infact being kept alive, hence the "no matter how many times they burn us" now. Asking what's the point of a character being inserted into the timeline isn't really a good argument against Andrew's existence. I could ask what's the point of Mimic if he's literally just a more childish William but it doesn't change the fact that Mimic likely exists in the games. If Andrew does exist, it doesn't really matter if it seems pointless, I mean, look at how pointless the SAVE THEM victims were.
I really don't get this fandom obsession with Andrew and the need to have him in the games. We don't even know Cassidy's gender, and if UCN is manufactured by the vengeful spirit, they're talking through all the animatronics. Although if Chica was the first one the puppet gave life to, she could have seen Cassidy being murdered.
I feel like phone guy was the thing that grounded our theories. Because back then, Scott actually gave us a coherent narrative through him, it was about leaving some holes for us to fill. But ever since FNAF 4, there is no firm narrative without phone guy, no story was told to us with beginning middle end, it was just a bunch of clues. There is no information for us to truly rely on anymore, like we did with phone guy. Nothing grounds the game's story or threads it, it's just specific plot elements floating in the air. The closest we have is the books, but it's a parallel nightmare. What we have is a bunch of parallels that we don't know how to correctly convert, because we still don't have the big picture, he stopped giving that to us. That's why theorizing about FNAF became so tricky, it's playing only with the little pictures, and there's only so much that you can do with that.
this video should be required watching for anyone discussing cassidy and/or andrew and/or stitchline and/or talesgames because you somehow summed up my thoughts on about 95% of those and explained them better than i ever could i didn't even notice the absence of vanny in tales somehow that's even more egregious than basically everything other than and possibly including the timeline contradiction, the one i noticed the absence of was bonnie lol
At this point, I'm like, "Why even bother to figure out the story of the games when we have explicit stories in the books? Same themes as the games and everything." 🤷
I love how the community insists that Scott has everything figured out and never thinks that perhaps, that Scott is just waiting for good enough of an explanation to come to become canon, like he did with SL and Matpat
I remember hearing the idea that Michael was the real One You Should Not Have Killed from I think RyeToast which makes a lot more sense narratively. The idea that Cassidy is kind of random is really disappointing, they're an interesting concept with no elaboration. It all just points out Scott's poor writing skills at the beginning of the series that he has to keep with as it continues. (I'm referring to his setting up a narrative and characters as opposed to his very smart use of implied story telling that made fnaf famous)
@@manchungus3486 The argument was that William sent Mike down into the Sister Location Bunker which got him killed, which William could've reasonably known would've happen, thus sending him to his death and killing him.
Everytime I think about Cassidy's motives for giving William this eternal torture made me realize that Henry makes more sense as the Vengeful Spirit. After all William killed his kid,ruined his life's work,made him vanish for 30 years and probably some more bad things,also there would exist a Golden Freddy connection since Afton wears Spring Bonnie as his main luring method and Spring Bonnie is basically Fredbear's business partner just like William to Henry. (Also it would be badass if 'The Devil' that Henry mentioned in FNAF 6's ending speech was referring to himself bringing Satan's Torment upon William.
The Frights books reming me of the way Candy Cadet tells stories that parallel and try to explain the lore of the FNaF games, no characters names are used but their similarities are enough to able to piece together a story using those characters, it's not exactly the same but it's just a thought I had.
Good video. I haven't kept up with the books lore since just recently when I saw someone say the vengeful spirit was Andrew. Let's just say I was extemely confused to who tf Andrew was since I thought Cassidy was the vengeful spirit the last time I kept up with the games lore. The way I see it, Frights and Tales are a separate timeline/continuity using the games as a setting but not in games timeline. (Eg, set in the world of the games like the post said) So still separate universes.
If MatPat and Fuhnaf end up being right that the new villain is a mix of Afton and Evil Charliebot, maybe the new hero is finally going to be Golden Freddy.
One thing I’ve always found entertaining is how in sister location, baby speaks as if Elizabeth is not in control yet, IE the “why did that happen?” (Though she could just be feigning Ignorance, but I’m unconvinced…) and then in Pizza SIM, it seems Liz has taken full control, (why else would she say “I will make you proud daddy!” But has gone full insane)
Commenting again because I just want to hear your thoughts on this. A friend of mine (as well as some of his friends) subscribe to a theory that Cassidy is the name of a fourth Afton kid who helped William with the MCI before he drowned her to hide the evidence, and after that, she became Shadow Freddy and kept helping him. The theory also states that Michael Brooks is stupid abbreviation instead, Crying Child was just a wandering spirit, and in the Logbook, Cassidy was trying to manipulate Crying Child into helping William too.
The theory clearly claws and clings to the idea that drowning girl is Cassidy, which in My PrincessQuest video I explain why I'm heavily against. William isn't really depicted as having or being the type to have a traditional accomplice, and we have several depictions of the MCI at this point from many different timelines and angles all directly contradicting this concept. The theory is at a MAJOR burden of proof struggle.
@@siresquawks Thanks for replying. Also, yeah, I agree with you there. I just thought I might as well mention it (and also make the algorithm happy by adding another comment to the video.)
3:07 He likes a comic book or kids show super villian. Hey that gives me an idea, what if (some) of the books is just Michael recaping the events of the story to himself? We know he likes his tv shows.
I won't lie i gave up making theories awhile ago because I don't think Scott can handle having people figure out his mysteries but I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one
I asked this in a Game Theory FNAF video but never got an answer: Why did people start thinking Cassidy is a girl? The name Cassidy was quickly associated to the Vengeful Spirit when UCN was released and said spirit was referred to in-game as "Him, the one you should not have killed", plus the image associated to the character looks like a boy (and it's actually one irl). Who popularized that idea? Why did it have to get so fucking complicated when it was so simple already? Obviously Cassidy's gender isn't really important and I honestly don't care if they're a boy or a girl at this point, but it's a question that always pops up in my head whenever this character is talked about. Also, when I first heard the name Cassidy being related to Golden Freddy I immediately thought of an alcoholic gun nut with only one arm (If you get the reference you're a legend).
Because Cassidy is a girl in the books so logically people would assume she is a girl in the game continuity so the costume characters’ gender is more important than the spirit gender
@@smt64productions40 I never got around reading any of the books, in case I heard that Cassidy is indeed a girl in the books I figured it was a difference from the games, I know a lot of stuff overlaps between both continuities but I figured the vengful spirit was an exception.
I think Chica says, “I am the first I have seen everything” because Chica the animatronic is originally from a franchise predating fazbear entertainment so her robot was literally the oldest and had in fact seen everything since she was already there. Ucn has a lot of voice lines where the animatronics themselves are speaking rather than the spirits which haunt them.
This can all be explained by Scott just not being a good writer, this may be overly harsh, but it's hard for me not to feel more and more contempt for this series the longer it goes on.
Chica is the first of two children killed on the night of June 26 (if you refer to the newspapers from fnaf 1) I think this is what is meant in her phrase
I think you make some good points on the gender debate about Cassidy. The thing I agree the most with are the gendered references to the puppet as he/him. I'm curious, what are your thoughts about Cassidy (very likely) being cast as a boy in the movie, and The One You Should Not Have Killed's face being Scott's son?
IDk, I think we need to wait for either a trailer easter egg or the actual movie to figure out stuff like that. Like people debate which kid is freddy, and whether blonde kid is movie vanessa's brother etc. So, my opinion on that is it's a wait and see. Scott outright said using his son had nothing to do with the lore and shouldn't be considered.
@@siresquawks That's super fair, I'm praying to GOD the movie doesn't end up having the same effect on the lore the Stitchwraith Stingers do, but knowing the franchise, that's unlikely lmao. Great video man, summarizes the absolutely god-awful headache I've had trying to figure out what the HELL is Cassidy/Andrew's deal. Keep up the good work, hope ur having a good night
Gender ambiguity works in UCN since the voice acting job was specifically gender ambiguous. Golden Freddy is also a male animatronic, and game Cassidy never gets a specified Gender. The Puppet is specifically a male animatronic, and Charlie is female. Plus you have to remember that the Puppet technically exists before Charlie is actually a named and gendered character. Many people believe that CC was supposed to be the Puppet at some point.
Wild Fanfic - Cassidy is the Crying Child; the twist is that CC BECAME vengeful over time. It first started when Afton pulled the wires and IV lines out of his dying child, to take them home. He was going to "put him back together". CC dying in the hospital is important, because they were put there by the bite, but died because the plug on the heart and lung machine (or ventilator?) was intentionally pulled. The body dragged home, Dreadbear commences with trying to stuff a human brain into a robot. Maybe it "kinda" works then fails, maybe it never worked. Where it Afton get the idea of "controlled shocks" from? Eventually the failed mess is buried out in the woods; an embarrassment and a crime that needs to be kept secret. The spirit of CC, now without a physical body, migrates to Fredbear because it was hidden on the property/down the bunker after the incident, or Fredbear IS/WAS dreadbear all along. Able to teleport around as a ghost, CC then watches the murders and experimentations which enrages it; it becomes vengeful via everything it's seen. This would explain why a Cassidy script would be bad; it would literally throw all the cats out of all the bags. It would also jump the shark way, way too much --- Afton experimenting directly with dead bodies? On his own son? Also in the CE it's stated that CC first saw an event at the FNAF1 location, a separate location from Fredbear's, before then experiencing the bite at Fredbear's. So whatever he saw at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza could have added to that vengeful spiciness.
Honestly at this point scott needs to come out and say what the canon story is for fnaf 1 - UCN, give us some closure for god's sake, we're already moved on to a new story with new characters and we still havent even figured out the complete old story
I finally figure out Frights It was stories meant to be used alongside attractions for Fazbear’s Fright and Mike burn it down because he thinks those ideas suck
I find it hard to believe that witherd chica is even telling the turth about seeing everything because susie is still a kid and kids will exagerate their achevements especially the younger ones
