CEBU BLUE Scam? / Do you own Epipremnum pinnatum OR Epipremnum pinnatum Cebu Blue? 

for all of you, who are curious about the teeth blackening: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeth_blackening

For those looking to buy a Cebu blue and unsure of how to differentiate from the regular E. Pinnatum. The cebu blue has a silvery blue sheen to it that almost looks like the leaves were dusted with a baby blue shimmer powder. But It can’t be rubbed off. Much like the philodendron hastatum “silver sword”. Like variegation, the brighter the light the more prominent the silvery blue will show. The regular E. pinnatum in juvenile form especially have a relatively flat and smooth leaf surface much like a surface of a typical green E. aureum (Pothos) while the Cebu Blue has a more rippled like appearance almost like the M. Karstenianum but not as prominent. If you’re looking at a listing and the leaves do not have a silvery blue sheen to them and lack the rippled appearance it’s likely a mislabeled E. Pinnatum.

I love this video, the honest way to present what happened, and most important how proud you still are of your beautiful Epipremnum pinnatum not “cebu blue”. You rock!! Keep the spirit! 😉👍🏼

I'm glad you made a video for others! I have the albo, regular and the cebu blue Epipremnum pinnatum. And you can definitely tell the differences 🌿💚

Thank you for this! I was just trying to find a Cebu Blue. I love how you explained this mix-up. Your voice is so beautiful :D

One is a Baltic Blue and the other a Cebu Blue. Baltic Blue is stunning! You did good. The Cebu Blue is also stunning when it starts to vine. Very busy and pretty.

I realised you ordered from Palmenmann, which is the shop I was about to order the 'Cebu blue' from as well. Thanks for sharing :) Guess imma sub to you channel!

Hi, I only found your channel yesterday and subbed.Already you have solved a problem for me🤗.The same thing happened to me and until now I've been unsure which plant I have.Thanks for clearing it up, I do not have Cebu blue.A few days after I bought mine I saw an online plant shop warning that the market is flooded with fakes. I love my plain little epi but was definitely diddled😳 You are a Superstar for letting people know.Big smiles from Tish 🌺

Thank you for doing the research to clarify this. Both plants are beautiful in my opinion.

Good thing I was able to drop by to your channel and I learned a lot bout this plant.. I have the same one as yours but not lush as yours and keep searching for its ID.. now, I did not only know its name but I get more detail and info.. thank you!

Great video looking forward to watching some of your videos! It just seems like there's not enough time in the day to watch all the videos about plants to expand my knowledge... I've been growing plants since I was a kid and helping and my mom's flower beds and neighbors Gardens. I'm now in my seventh decade I love how I learn something new everyday. My great-grandfather immigrated to America when he was just a kid. He died when he was in his 90s in the 1970s. I love your accent and I admire your ability to learn a second language especially English which supposedly is one of the hardest languages to learn. I had a student help me for a senior project when I first started teaching. He was from Japan and I guess his father was pretty wealthy because he was at a private school where only wealthy parents send their kids. He was helping in my classroom for his senior project and he told me that in Japan they have 52 letters or characters in their alphabet but each of those 52 make the same sound. Unlike English where we have long vowel short vowels, silent letters, diphthongs soft G hard G. C sounding like k or s and then you get to why which sometimes sounds like a consonant and sometimes sounds like a vowel I! So I love your accent and yes when you pronounce an S it sort of sounds like Z but I can't pronounce any words in German! All four of my children took four years of German and high school and one son even added two years of Latin to the four years of German. I struggled with French and Latin in high school but I think it was because I didn't do my job memorizing vocabulary and in French class we had people speaking French on audio tapes and the teacher would read the story and the textbook and a textbook was always closed on our end. I'm a visual learner and I needed to see the word while she was pronouncing it so I'm glad I didn't have to learn how to speak French fluently! So I admire all of you and your that can speak English so very very well! And I don't mind the vacuum sweeper there I filmed my videos for RU-vid and sometimes the dust mop has been in the background teehee

I LOOOVE your epi! I have the cebu blue and I just don't see they hype in it. I would like to have your plant. Thanks for the super informative video and clarification on the two plants. You are too funny! 🤗

What a helpful video! You also have a generous, healthy attitude toward those sellers who may be confused. I live in the states and would love an epi just like your former Cebu blue.

I know this is an older video now. I just wanted to tell you my Epipremnum Pinnatum I bought a few weeks ago as a large stem cutting/cuttings is already starting to fenestrate too. Right now it is just wee holes down the mid rib. At first I was afraid it was a bug dining but now the wee dots are starting to open up and are too evenly spaced and same on many leaves. So exciting. Now my stem cuttings these new leaves started from are really large. About as big around as my thumb. the new growth coming from them is 6 to 10 inches long so very immature leaves. Even so I now have holes and one even smaller split. I just discovered this last night. Such fun plants. I was so pleased with the first one I bought a second from the same seller. They came semi potted more to protect the roots during shipping than a pot to live in. So glad I saw your video. But Girl is has cost me some change. Hahahahaha Well spent for the joy it is giving me.

Thank you for this video. Have been looking into getting a Cebu Blue. Now I know what to look for.

Omg I was so confused too! Thank you for this video!!!!

This is exactly what I have, I found it growing wild in our yard under our citrus tree...was trying to find out what it is exactly, because I saw many names for it when I Googled! Thank you...

I wish I had seen this very informative video before uploading my unboxing of a plant trade that yielded me a "cebu blue" epipremnum. I noted that the leaves didn't have the characteristic blue sheen, thinking it had to do with them being cuttings that had been in the mail for a few days in intense heat. I'm thinking I might have the other one, but I hope not! Thanks for the in depth video! New subbie, here!

I’m so happy for you. I was so excited when I got a two leaf cutting for $22 I can only imagine how amazing it would feel to get two for $44

Very helpful thank you- I was watching one on ebay but will now be asking some tough questions of the seller!

Love your personality in this vid 🌻

Thanks for this helpful video. I received my Cebu Blue yesterday from USA seller. Lucky for me it really is a Cebu blue according to your video. I am lucky because I have found 4 USA online sellers that ship plants well and I receive lovely plants in good condition (yes, a couple leaves don’t make it but more leaves quickly come to take their places). Here they are: Ill Exotics, Planterina, Potted Elephant and Steve’s leaves.

Thank you for sharing. Very helpful information!

Fascinating! Really good information. Thank you!!

Hello from south Texas USA. Thank you for sharing all this information.

Wow...still a beautiful plant....such great info...thanks so much for this video....Awesome

Thanks for the information! I had no idea of this. Very interesting

Thank you so much for this video, save me for doing it🤗 i have emailed the seller to see what she has to say, because I've bought this really cheap, but, the next day the price doubled and i was shocked. Is good you are not mad, because I've got so many nasty dm about this you can't even imagine🤕. Thank you for the video😊

It's a gorgeous plant, even if it's not an E. pinnatum 'Cebu Blue.' I like that it gets fenestrations so early. Also now I know what to do if I even want to blacken my teeth. LOL

Thank you for the video. Very informative and great editing. Keep up the good work. TQ

You are so funny Ellen! Thanks for the info. I had no idea. I dont have a cebu blue but would love to have one...

how informative! you seem like such a pleasant lady :) glad this was recommended to me!

This was a brilliant video Ellen! I think you did a wonderful job pointing this out and I don’t know who would be mad about this😂🌿 you did a beautiful job explaining everything and I loved the fun fact about other countries wanting to blacken their teeth....🤷‍♀️🤔 although I don’t know why because I want to whiter teeth ha ha Ha ha ha love this video thank you for this beautiful description and explanation between the two I honestly had no idea! Love, Smaranda she is very smart about plants as well❤️

OH My I actually bought the Cebu Blue then looking for more information on the Blue your video came up and I had to have the Epipremnum Pinnatum too. Both will be heading my way this week. I have already made up tall moss poles for them and the Tetrasperma I bought. I am really enjoying growing upwards. Appears the plants are too. Thanks for sharing this information. I had no idea. Was told the Cebu Blue would do the fenestrations and I guess as you also say after years they will. I am not sure I have a whole lot of years to wait for it.

I have this plant!! Thanks for educating me.

Also Epípremnum is made out of two (ancient) Greek words epí: on top of and prémnon (rarely if ever used in modern Greek): tree stump/log/trunk. The common name Póthos, means lust, yearning 😀

That's a bummer that there is so much mislabeling happening with this plant. To me, cebu blue is so easy to recognize because of the coloring. In my area the regular form of epipremnum pinnatum is so much harder to find. I'd be thrilled to have yours, it's beautiful!

wesome video, I appreciate the useful information, I have heard that if you have a Cebu Blue that as it matures it's leaves will split, I'm not disappointed that it isn't the case I love my Cebu Blu, it's big and full and has those gorgeous blue shimmery leaves. It's just so funny when it comes to identifying our plants what goes on in the plant world. Thanks again, and lucky for you that you have a normal Epipremnum, and that it's got those awesoem split leaves, I'm sad that I can't find one like this, I think it's considered rare here in the US, maybe someday they will be more readily available.

You are blessed you had a Baltic blue before we knew about it! What a treasure.

Great video, very informative. Your plant is beautiful regardless, now I want one, lol.

I was doing research on this and came across your video. What this means is either the sellers are unethically cheating buyers or they themselves have no clue on the differences. Good sharing. Thank you.

Very good and informative video! Great to see German growers on here!

great video!

Thanks for the info. I just bought a Cebu Blue today from Walmart for $13.95. I was do excited.

Thank you for the info ma’am, now I know because I have that two plants in our garden that is naturally grown

Very humble video. Greetings from the Philippines..

The normal version is quite lovely! Enjoyed your videod

Thanks for the information. I just got one today & I believe it’s authentic 😃

Thanks for the tip sis!

Beautiful 😍😍😍thanks for that informacion

Thank you so much. I just purchased this plant on etsy, and have messaged the seller, in a very polite way, to cancel my order. Hopefully that will go well.

Thanks for the info. You are hilarious 😂.

Update after 2 years? I just bought a plant at walmart also labled Epipremnum Pinnatum and BALTIC BLUE is what it is called now. From the Costa Farms grower and there is a video out on it under Baltic Blue. I have the cebublue.. Like you I am thrilled to have the young plant with fenestrations. This is all so fun and fasinating and a win win for us plant lovers because both plants are gorgeous. OH the one thing I noticed so far on the Baltic Blue verses the EP I have are there are no mid line holes in the leaves yet. Maybe too young or maybe they just split and do not fet the little holes mid line.

So glad i found your video. Cebu Blue is one if my wish list plants & they are showing up in stores looking different than what i expected. Your plant is beautiful though. Just not what you thought.

I noticed ‘Cebu Bleu’ for sale today. Got very excited at the low price approx £50 for 8 plants. Then I decided to do a little research and this video was the first I came to. It seems to me that the nursery is claiming it’s the same plant, but it cannot be.

Thanks for your research

Thanks for sharing your research with us. Plant sellers should definitely know what they are selling, to many expensive truly rare plants that could be mislabeled. In US, wish could ship to Germany would send you cuttings of my “blue” Cebu Blue. 😕

Sadly its too late for me, i found this video 3 weeks after i bought my supposed 'Cebu Blue'. I have a normal kind but thats fine because i have a pretty big one for a good price. But some day i will have a cebu blue! Mine has a fenestration too! Danke für das Video! Grüße aus Stuttgart!

Great video. I bought two before I finally found my real Cebu Blue. They really are very different. I have also made a video about this on my channel too. Interesting to see how sellers etc respond.

Das ist so hilfreich! ich hätte fast auch bei Plantcircle gekauft einen Cebu Blue gekauft. Jetzt wo ich dein Video gesehen haben, werde ich wohl anderswo suchen müssen. Danke dir :))

Thanks for this, so many people confuse cebu blue and E. Pinnatum. Here in PR we have E. Pinnatum everywhere, matures and babies and they don’t look like cebu blue.

I love the the one you have. It looks cool when it is mature.

it's so funny, I live in Cebu but I have been looking high and low for this plant, but I can't find it. :( people sell the regular epipremnum pinnatum instead. :(

I have the same plant, sold as a cebu blue. I thought it was strange that the leaves weren't blue so contacted the seller. Their supplier said it was a young plant which hadn't turned blue yet. Hmmm... I heard that only the new juvenile leaves are blue so I thought it must be a cutting from a mature plant. Now I know!

Thanks for the info. Will the real Cebu Blue please stand up...lol. I do have the real one but I do like yours as well.

Glad I found this vid. Now I know for sure I do not have a cebu blue (pretty much impossible to find in Australia). I don't mind however. I really love my green epipremnum pinnatum. They are cousins of sorts. I also have another plant called ''epipremnum pinnatum - dragon tail" Much bigger darker, glossier leaves and thicker stalk. Also gorgeous.

Yes, I bought mine from plant circle as well and was quite disappointed when I received it, I knew almost straight away because the leaves are just green nowhere near silver or blue. It’s a nice plant with great textured leaves and grows super fast, also easy to propagate but I like to collect silver leaves plants so I wasn’t super happy.

Great help from this video

😲Oh my goodness! I was literally days away from ordering from that first website you showed! Had my shopping cart all ready to go (with that Cebu Blue), was just waiting till it got a few days closer to my birthday to I could further justify the spend 😅I don't know what to do now!! Thank you!! Also, do you have any recommendations of online shops in Europe? I live in Ireland and am finding it so hard to find shops that stock a lot of house plants so am having to broaden the search in hopes of finding things... *Edit- Never mind, just found your 'European plant shops - Web review' video 😅😅 Life saver! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

The Thailand variation has the fenestrations at an early age- like the ones originally from Cebu Island... the one that has been cloned/cultured in the USA and distributed is different and will not show those fenestrations for many many years. I have spoken to many nurseries and experts as well as looked online, but I also have one with frustrating leaves but purchased it from a very trusted seller that does their research. One nursery actually had both in stock and they really are the same, just one is starting to show fenestrations (and more expensive as it was imported and not a clone). What you have does not look like it though- it does not look like the silver-blue I have here beside me... I have heard of people selling pothos and claiminng it to be epipneprum for a profit- beware places like Etsy and people who just want to make a quick profit (saw a pink congo on there for $200 recently lol)

I’m curious as to the value of you Pinnatum as opposed to the real Cebu Blue. It’s to bad you live in Berlin, otherwise I would send you tons of cutting from my real Cebu Blue. I’m constantly cutting it to keep it more sphere like as it is in a hanging basket. It grows so fast 💨. I’m sure the postage cost would not really make it worth it in the end, but if you want to pay the postage....I would be happy to send you cuttings ☺️. Thanks for this interesting video, I never knew there was such a controversy over the exact plant species name. I knew from the start that the plant should have that blue-ish tinge. I think I have educated myself on certain plants that I intend to buy, so I’m not disappointed that the seller marked it wrong. I’ve seen that done so many times here in the states it’s crazy. Sometimes it’s the actual store employees who put the tags on the plants and they don’t know or care that they have just labeled 5 different plants with the same tag, I think it comes down to the price on the tags, so they figure, 🤷🏻‍♀️ who cares....WE CARE! I want a proper label on the plant I buy. I hope in the end the seller does send you the correct plant, or at least gives you a refund or credit. Let us know what happens. Thank you. Happy Planting 💜🌺🌸

Your darker leaves can be another variety named Baltic Blue, even harder to find. I will love to have one of yours.

Same story with monstera obliqua...one of the rarest unicorn plants, and you find TONS of mislabelled monsteras out there. I saw one in a gardening centre for 8€! So sad!😥

Miss you 😀💚

I'm here because I got bored of quarantine and just impulsively bought 2 cebu blue juveniles. lol. These plants are endemic here in Cebu, Philippines so they're a wayyy cheaper option than my dream plant baby, monstera deliciosa. Thanks for all the info in the video. I'm excited to grow these babies.

Thank you for that information. I'm pretty sure mine is a Cebu blue , not that it really would make a difference to me either. I am also so glad to know how to blacken my teeth...LOL

I actually just bought this plant last night, Epipremnum Pinnatum Baltic Blue which is what the “juvenile” on the left is. Both are beautiful 😻

It’s to bad that happened but it still a very nice plant😁

I am not crossing that the plantb looks different in earlier stage but from my experience i am telling that it depends on nutrition you are giving to your epipernum ( so called dragon tail plant ) and it is not very hard to grow it and is very cheap too , . Thank you for the information though

Yeah! The $10 plant I got from Walmart with a generic 'I am a plant' label IS a Cebu Blu!! (A very full lush 8 inch hanging pot.)Thank you for confirming what I was hoping was correct. Wheeeeee!🙂

Thanks for this Video! They already sell the same plant you bought as a cebu blue and I wanted to buy it. But now I won't, because if it is not a real rare one I think it's a little bit expensive. I think your plant is looking wonderful! And now I think I will buy a normal epipremnum, but not at that site.

Sad. My Cebu blue is not a Cebu Blue. 🥺 I’ll make sure to get the real one on my next order. Thank you for making this video. 💚

I bought a cebu blue cutting and it’s not blue. It’s a normal epipremnum. Thanks for your channel. I wondered why mine wasn’t the same colour as my daughter’s!!

I found your video very interesting!! Your explanation was clear and it shows that you really did your research. I believe that those who thought they had a cebu blue will not be angry because of your gentle and wise words. Hoys are my passion. Do you have any and if so, could you make a video? The macrame Svetlana sent you is wonderful.! Treasure it.

Im from Philippines and just got my cebu blue 2weeks ago. Juvi leaves have splits already. I have 2 leaves only but both leaves have splits.. The one they called cebu blue with small leaves and have no split leaves are called "local cebu blue" here in PH. Maybe thats the one my seller explained to me. You are right if the seller does not know the difference between the local cebu blue and the authentic cebu blue. Happy planting.

Oh my giddy aunt... this cleared more than one foggy patch for me, good to know about the cebu blue v no blue at all lol But for me, an interesting piece of info I read in exotic rainforest dot com is that what I bought as Epipremnum Brazil or Pothos Brazil, is actually not at all Epi/Pothos it is a Philodendron: Philodendron Hederaceum Brazil (I'm going to assume that Brazil still stands) and a "z" not an "s" Now, like you, I'm glad I have Mr brazil in my life, it doesn't bother me that I have mis sold a plant, I much prefer to have it rather than not have it... but it does bug me that so many times we see the same plants with different names, I like indoor climbers and it is very frustrating when I think I found a new variety, and its in fact a fictitious name to make sales. And yes "rare plant" puts me right off that seller, I instantly leave and find it elsewhere - often cheaper too :-) Thank you very much indeed for posting your findings for us all to see. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

thank you for this informative video. Unfortunately, I'm from the Philippines, and I cannot find any sellers of the exact "Cebu Blue" pothos, some would show me the variety that has the split leaves already. I also was confused why it had split at a very young age, thank goodness I came across your video. I have few questions: 1. so does the real Cebu Blue, split also as they mature and climb? 2. do you happen to know any seller that ship here in the Philippines? (I know, I know its strange to have one imported where it originated) I really badly want to have one :-(

Funny story, where I live cebu blue is easy to find. But regular epipremnum pinnatum is difficult to get. I finally do have both!

Gosh the fenestrations are even more awesome than the blue sheen!

In the U.S. the Cebu blue is easy to find and the "normal" epipremnum pinnatum is hard to find. Mostly because people who don't know lable golden pothos as epipremnum pinnatum instead of epipremnum aureum.

That's from my country in the Philippines! They grow in old people's backyards 🤣 Super Huge! But I am wondering if the Bluish one is just the green one with some lighting or whatever 😃

I honestly love the fenestrated E. Pinnatum better than a Cebu Blue. I purchased it for its fenestrations. So if ever I got that instead of a Cebu Blue, I wouldn't fret! I would consider me lucky😊. Then, I'll find the authentic Cebu Blue after.

I am from Cebu Philippines and yes this plant is very common here they are climbing in trees.

BAM! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE 🎉🎉💐

Hmmm... I think I have an E. Pinnatum and not a Cebu Blue 😫. Thank you for educating us, that’s really been enlightening!

Habe selber erst kürzlich eine vermeintliche Cebu Blue online bestellt, kann aber nach deinem Video auch mit Sicherheit sagen, dass es sich um eine gewöhnliche Epipremnum Pinnatum handelt. War bisschen teuer dafür, aber dann wiederum wurde ich hauptsächlich von den gespaltenen Blättern angezogen, also schon OK :) Der Witz ist, dass man diese Art der Epipremnum Pinnatum mit dieser länglichen Blattform mittlerweile ja auch kaum mehr findet hierzulande, AUßER eben fälschlich als Cebu Blue oder Blue form deklariert. Hingegen wird - glaube ich - nun die Aureum als die sozusagen "basic" Form verstanden. Zumindest so mein Eindruck.

I'm only at almost the four minute Mark and since you began this video I've been doubting this is Cebu blue. The leaves are too big and it's too dark green... If that makes any sense I know it's 2 years later and I just found your channel by looking at another person's subscription list. I'm going to subscribe to your Channel... I also have a RU-vid channel Hearts II only have a few hundred Maybe 400 subscribers. I have hundreds of houseplants and over 70 orchids. I'm new to orchids I've only been collecting them for the past 3 years. Anyhow I can't wait to see the rest of your video and see what conclusion you come to about your plant. It's a beautiful plant but it doesn't look a lot like my Cebu blue except for the shape of the leaf but not the size or the color. I've been propagating mine I just take a long stem cutting and then Cut Above and Below the node so I have this little half inch inch long stem left on the leaf. I then put them and recycled glass or plastic iced tea or water bottles. It doesn't matter if the leaf goes down into the water and they root very very quickly. I've taken dozens of cuttings off of my plant but I was lucky to find at a big-box store Walmart for $15 a year ago. I only had one plant in the plant department and it just happened to be a Cebu blue. I'm going back to your video and I'm also subscribing

All of the Cebu blues that I've seen in the US big box stores are true Cebu blues soooo Congrats on getting a plant that splits at least! Common names are so easy to mix up. Mine had the blue sheen on it and I love it 😍

That's actually pretty interesting! The Cebu Blue is sold in the US pretty regularly. Purchased at a local Big box store! Can I buy one of those Epipremnum Pinnatum??? People would be a lot more here for that! :D

It’s exciting that yours has fenestrations already but I really think that might not be a Cebu Blue. I have a Cebu Blue that is one of my most favorite plants and mine has grown so large since I bought it that I have to carry it with two hands because it is large, heavy and lush. Leone is really quite silvery blue and looks very different in color from yours. Yours is pretty though. I am not trying to bash here. The Cebu Blue is quite elusive, I realize, and I’ve always felt it shouldn’t be because log it’s beauty. Still, your plant has a great, healthy color. I’m excited for its growth.