CEENR Universal Battery System for ALL TOOL BRANDS. This is why you shouldn't buy it. 

Thank you for replying to the concerns raised in this video, although I feel you perhaps missed some, and are perhaps misleading people on others. Below are my replies to your points, and I'm sure others will be glad to give their opinions also. 1. My biggest issue with battery size relates to it not being much advantage over an adapter on a similar Ah battery from most brands, and the fact that to make a larger battery with current cell technology requires a much bigger battery that your adaptors are even less likely to handle which I will reply to in point 3. Everyday, without fail, people always leave comments about wanting high capcity, high output batteries. This battery will not keep regular tool users (and by that I mean people who use these things all day to make a living) happy. 2. It's a shame you didn't choose to make this out of tool grade plastic from the start, might have got more professional tool users on board as ABS just doesn't cut it for any power tools. 3. I DID NOT say that the small pin design was common in other adaptors, because it isn't. And referring back to what I said in reply #1 it will become even weaker with any larger, future batteries. 4. It doesn't contradict what I said about the pin at all. The fact that release button is awkward and hard to push in and the adaptors are tight to slide on is another matter. Some adaptors flex enough that the pin isn't even in contact with your battery making it close to useless. The friction of the extraordinarily thin ABS rail system you have designed are basically what is keeping your adaptors in place. 5. I know that charging via USB is a big positive for some users but it is a massive failure point in any work site beyond an impact free, dust free environment. More on this feature below. 6. That's good to hear. 7. Yes it all depends on the charging device, and I feel many people will not grasp this well. Many, outside of those that are tech geeks or work with computers will know that different charging leads are needed for high USB-C Power Delivery and also a good laptop or external charger that many buying your product simply won't have. Not that 45W is a fast USB-C PD speed anyway and ensures it will always be slow charging. You seem to be unaware that good tool manufacturer chargers go up to 18A and most regular tool users need fast turn around from their battery chargers. 2A/4A/6A output chargers are VERY slow by todays standards. 8. But your yellow clip does nothing. Other people you have sent your product to have made out as if your adaptors have protection elements in them and this is simply not true. I wanted to make sure people were aware of that as I have opened all the adaptors I have and they all have the same make up on the inside, and none have any added protection. 9. This takes me back to my points about the thin rails, small retention pin, and overall size of the finished product. And also, perhaps the biggest weakness of your battery, IT CANT HANDLE ANY HIGH LOAD. Having to reset the battery with a USB after EVERY tool stall, would lead many professional users to send it hurtling for the bin. Time is money and tools are meant to make your life easier, not aggravate you. Your battery handicaps most tools above the size of a drill or impact driver, which unfortunately is all I have seen other people use it for so far. Mark my words, when this goes to market, people will be sending them back in their droves because of this feature. 10. This is a moot point. Modern batteries from professional tool manufacturers do not rely on a tool to tell them they are overloaded and over heating. They will cut out by themselves. Your battery is not special in this regard. They may have an advantage of not running flat like an external adaptor can cause to a professional battery, although this was not your point. In addition could you please answer me this; 1. Why have you crossed out information from the cells you have used? The cells also don't seem to perform as well as they should if the cells are in-fact what they are purported to be. 2. The cells are not isolated in your batteries from the PCB like all other brands leading any heat from the cells to be released directly on to the underside of the PCB, yikes. 3. The contacts are permanently exposed due to the battery and adaptor interface design which is a massive weak point I'm not sure if I bought up or not. With a regular tool and battery system these are hidden when the battery is on the tool but yours are exposed, so open to contact from moisture and dust ingress. It seems to me as if this battery could easily short when exposed to even light rain. Although one of your 4 contacts does nothing in any of the adaptors I have. 4. Copyright. Can you guarantee that your products are not infringing copyright, and therefore run NO RISK of being pursued for infringement by any of the companies you have adaptors for, and therefore meaning you will be able to fulfil any warranty commitments, which for those reading are what? Without rewatching my video or getting out of bed and going to take another look at your battery, these are my current concerns. I'm sure others will leave there likes or dislikes about your system as reply to this message. Once again, thank you for taking the time to reply and in taking interest in bettering your product. I'm sure there will be further communication between us. Also I will just let those reading know that prior to CEENR leaving this message here on YT they did contact me via email to ask if I could offer improvements to their system after viewing this video. Thanks all, Tools.

Hi ceenr, thank you for your reply. I am a builder in Australia and a backer via Indiegogo. I purchased multiple batteries via your link after watching torque test channel on RU-vid. I had hoped it would be a suitable replacement to my multiple 18v platforms that I own as I am always frustrated that I don't have the right charged battery when one goes flat. I did email you asking about options for changing out some of the adaptors that do not sell tools in Australia but I was disappointed not to get a reply. After watching this review by tools I am worried that my hundreds of dollars investment has been a scam for a poorly made toy battery. As a professional user my biggest concerns are 1. the battery cutting out and needing to be returned to the charger ( absolute deal breaker) 2. Not tool grade plastic, can deal with this as a kick starter concept and hopefully the adaptor would survive and be used on improved future batteries. 3. not being able to charge battery in the future if the exposed usb-c port is clogged. Perhaps a plug in protection cover or redesign so the adaptors slide over the charging port to protect them. Overall I hope I actually get something for my backing money and that you use this feedback process and healthy cash injection to make a great product and not just give up, send out a crap product and roll up the project. I guess we will see what August (expected shipping date) and the coming years bring. Thanks, Phil

I appreciate the response from a company, however it confirms that you don't understand the basics of real world tool usage, and lacking the will (or even a possibility) to change the absolute deal-breakers of this design.

You received considered criticism from an experienced trade tool user and you decided the appropriate response was marketing fluff excusing the failings he accurately described. Thanks for helping to cement my decision not to buy from you. ‘We know best’. No, clearly you don’t.

Also, When I checked your Indiegogo page a few days back it said 4 days left. I have just checked again and seen that it has been reset to add another 30 days.

Yep, this new system sure is convenient!

Hahaha. On point.

Noooo, that makes too much sense! CEENR Bad!

There's always one 😄

Dammit! I slept early and you stole my idea. Actually I was seriously considering buying this set, so I could get rid of the all the effing extra batteries and chargers I keep around to test repaired tools with. But no good if I can’t use it under load, cos load testing is the most important part of any repair.

​@default9740 I think best option is to use AEG batteries with an adapter. I'm pretty sure AEG have stand-alone cutoff, so they function the same as the CEENR. You could also use Makita LXT 5 & 6Ah, but then you're limited to small batteries.

You really didn’t sleep on swapping to this battery platform.

My LXT batteries ran for around 10 years before they all started to fail. That was with daily use. I’m now on the XGT platform and if I can get the same use out of them I’ll be happy. I paid about £140 for the 4Ah so for that kind of money I’m hoping they last long.

@@i_know_youre_right_but Ehh, I prefer selling used batteries after 3-5 years (depends on warranty) for 75%~ of purchase price. After 3-5 years, capacity already drops 20%+. But I only use 5-6 batteries and buy them when they are $10/ah for 18v and $20/ah for 36v/40v.

Rubbish !!!

Milwaukee just made a telescopic pruner that can cut up to 44mm. I pretty keen on getting it. But will have to get a converter…. makita battery converter to run on Milwaukee

Thanks 👍

I second that.

if a 4ah battery failed with a circular saw what makes you thing an 8ah battery in a mower will be ok?

@@stanavagiannis2381 Wrote the comment before the video was over lol. I correct myself and say if they reengineer their battery entirely and still release a 8ah 18v faster than Makita.

That reviewer also calls Makita tools with model numbers he hasn't heard of fakes, thinks Mellif tools are high quality (even though they are Makita knockoffs. And yesterday I had to set him straight on DeWalt mitre saws that had a weird problem all of a sudden... dude, that model was recalled 2 years ago... shouldn't a tool repairer know that???

Yes I know the one you speak of. Very disappointing

TBH this is one of the best ways of putting it. It's pretty typical "startup" kind of thing, and something you def. expect to see on Indiegogo, etc. They clearly have a long ways to go if they *really* want to compete with what the tool companies already provide, and what generic aftermarket adapters already do. However I suspect like most startups they'll never get there and end up closing up shop and fading into obscurity within a few years. The idea, the "on paper", etc., all sounds great but it's poor execution and would also need to be exceedingly cheap to compete given all the deals out there for 1st party stuff (in the US at least); and then how cheap aftermarket/knock-off stuff is already. The use of only 21700s and good cells out the gate are positive points, but certainly not enough to keep them afloat IMO. Only time will tell but personally I don't expect it to last long.

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL OK, I'm kinda shocked that you appear to know whom I speak of given I've given you very little to go on. I bring this up as I find the guy to provide what AvE stopped - BOLTRs but via repair. While one swallow doesn't make a summer, I'm still kinda reeling from what appears to be lack of thought or a plug for CEENR from the guy given how legit he appears!

@CrookedSkew It was pretty easy to work out considering there had only been 3 reviews of this product on YT prior to this one. And only 1 of them repairs tools for a living.😉 And he actually plugs cheap junk a lot from what people tell me...

Cheers, didn't realise it had lapsed. Milwaukee have been pretty protective of that one, and it's made them a lot of money so I'm sure they would still be trying to keep it going.

Lock companies do the same, they design a particular keyway shape, lodge it as a "registered design" or patent, and then they can prevent anyone from making key blanks for a number of years thus making it a "secure lock" because they control who can cut the keys. But when the patents/design expires, they don't bother trying to extend it because hey, it's a perfect opportunity to register another variation on the design and sell everyone brand new locks and keys!

Exactly.

I am on Makita platform and bought DeWalt shears and adapter , one of those tools Makita has crazy price.

Usually bulkier. (Especially ryobi adapters) Depending on the price, CEENR might be more cost efficient. Also may have better build quality. For me, Hikoki/Metabo HPT adapters cost $40-$60 (from ebay). Could get CEENR adapter(s) + battery for that price. More competition is always better, so it's kinda odd to be dismissive of something that might not be for you, but puts pressure on other manufacturers to do better.

Better quality? Horseshit quality. Adapters for tools I see are much cheaper than this Ceenr junk. I'm not saying other adapters are good quality, but they aren't any worse than this rubbish. Also I think you need to check the price of these Ceenr batteries, they are not as cheap as you think. And if they ever make a 2 row battery, the Ceenr will be MUCH bigger.

T&S sent me board shots. They're using 4x AON6358. 2.6mOhm @ 125C, so around 0.6mOhm for the 4 in parallel. Shunts are 2p @ 5mOhm = 2.5mOhm. Still a long way to go to get to the 27mOhm I calculated. They do have long traces, and then thinish wires on the adapter plates. I think they might be using recycled or fake molicels. Need someone to do some proper load tests on them whilst measuring voltages across cells, mosfets, contacts, etc. to see where the power loss is.

@@toolscientist yeah someone would have to measure the drop directly on the cell terminals, but I wouldn't be surprised if al the extra stuff you mentioned adds up.

@@toolscientist yeah i once stumbled across a forum for testing and comparing between official cells, sorry cant remember the name of it now. but should be easy to find online. but in my opinion it's simply never worth it to trust any chinese pre-assembled battery packs in the 1st place. and whether it's for a power tool or an e-bike just simply cannot trust what the cells are. when they are not passing official qualification and certification. it *is* possible to get cells *yourself* from a reputable genuine supplier to be assured they are the real deal. and then to assemble battery packs *yourself* and only to high standards. but otherwise stick to the official and certified packs. the time it gets murkey is with the kits, or to replace cells inside of an existing used up genuine battery pack... once the old cells are done. but then the bms pcb will probably have to be from china so that is not necessarily so trustworthy. in terms of charging and balancing circuit, and any mosfets on it and so on. because the original makita bms pcb cannot be re-used over again 2nd time with the new cells... right? also to be clear: since the milwukee royalties patent expired recently, the prices of buying battery packs has come down now (at least here in uk, mmmm wonder why). to be affordable for the genuine makita 18v batteries. however the pricing on makita 40v platform batteries remains sky high, to a prohibitive level(s) that i cannot affort to buy any makita 40v tools. but at least i can get the 18v lxt ones. and be using genuine makita batteries on them (with the full genuine 6ah being cheap enough)

@dreamcat4 and these are review samples where they know they'll be taken apart and broadcast. Who knows what they'll put in production. My thinking is don't buy high powered batteries unless you can warranty them in person and the company is big enough to handle a class action lawsuit if their batteries catch fire. These alphabet-soup companies will just fold and relaunch under a different name at the first sign of trouble.

​@@toolscientistThey claim to have contracts with Samsung and Sony as well iirc, though conveniently all the review packs seems to have molicels. Since they havent given any more details on the cells it sounds like they'll slap the cheapest cells into the actual production unit.

When I started reading your comment...

I don't think they'll be sending me anything else to test anytime soon.

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Fewer fire hazards to worry about.

It's a lot more complicated than phone chargers. There are at least 8 different common battery voltages for tools.

​@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 10, 18, 36, 48, 72. It's just the number of packs inside. I've been in rc hobby long before cordless tools started and there have been no problems like this. Use any battery with any model with any charger. Connectors might be different, but just resolder or use double side connector. No problems, no dramas. There is less than zero problem in making a standard connector for all power tools, but that would block the manufacturers from ripping off customers.

​@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I agree that it may be not easy. But at least 12V and 18V are common - 3 and 5 (or 10) cells correspondingly. And to achieve something, you need to start somewhere. Another thing is that brands are not interested in this...

@non7top Impressive that you've been racing RC cars for more than 45 years.

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I'm glad it's the only thing that bothers you

Cheers dude.

Because you end up with 5 different brands of batteries and charges. And also 12 and 18 ones. I would love to see 2 types of batteries: for 12V tools and for 18

They are, but it would probably be too expensive for them, who knows

The problem is you need a capable charger, not cheap. So kind of defeats the purpose. You'd need multiple if you lots of batteries.

USB-C standard isn't limited at 5v. Would be dependent on the power brick.

Mate dont yap if you dont know about USB C power delivery.

@AlexKall i know that, my laptop charger is a 100w 5-20v usbc thing, it will do my phone and laptop too. I trust the makita rapid charger much more, and it plays less then average music when its done too.

@@Greg.... Your makita charger plays music?

​@@user-bt5qt9pp4x if you quickly put the makita batteries in and out of the charger, it will cycle through a few options of songs

You wouldn't put them in the radio, know why? They cost more than a Makita battery 😆😂

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yea i certainly wouldn't buy one but you know if it was given to me it'd be a different story..

They cost more than that, that's best case scenario with the 50% off pre-order price.

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Oh i thought they will stay at that price. That makes them quite more unatractive. Thank you for informing me!

Do they do balancing of the cells.

a bit optimistic since they can't fix the main issues (voltage drop and senstive usb connector with slow charging speed)

@non7top You know everything about batteries, so you should know the answer to that...

So you haven't got one.

Yeah... couldn't do that with these.

A battery hammer 🔨 lol

There are two types of people in this world. Those that use batteries as hammers, and liars.

As a shed builder, i have dropped makita batteries from over 6 metres high with impact driver straight on concrete,steel, rocks,and they love it really can't break Makita

@@floydminch8357 wow

Your tool's not gonna blow up by using 3rd party batteries. The battery itself will go before the tool.

@@CL-nj3zs Imagine drilling a hole and the drill explodes like a bomb

​@@CL-nj3zsdepends on how hard you push'em. T/T channel did f up a few tools with adapters.

@@CL-nj3zs it can

Yes. Simple replacement once out of warranty and swapped without a murmur if in warranty. Even though I dropped it and caused it.

How did you replace it?

I have 2 broken ones that I would like to fix

@@edwardlogan267 plenty of videos and Amazon or eBay has the part.

Yes, I use Ampshare, but still, I need a cordless heat gun with temperature control and there is none. I need a portable washer - nope. I need a mini cut off tool like dewalt (Bosch is way weaker) -nope. Ratchet - no. Mini Blower - no. So, I still need Bosch, Makita, DeWalt, Milwakee and Hikoki batteries to suit my needs. Crazy!

Only in Europe, unfortunately 😢

Makita batteries have had fuel gauges for more than 5 years now.

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL ha shows you how old the Makita batteries are on my site .. shows pretty good longevity ..I only have the xgt track saw 😅

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL unfortunately I invested mostly in de faulty tools

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I'm in Auckland as well any idea where I can pick up a hikoki nail gun hook mine just randomly snapped off the other day nothing worse then lugging that beast of burden around all day with no hook

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thanks for making me feel old mate. The oldest Makita batteries I have are 3AH batteries that were made back in 2014 (no fuel gauge) according to the date code. And they still work! The oldest with fuel gauges I have were made in 2016. On the bright side I switched from Dewalt to Makita back then because I spent a fortune every 3 years (like clockwork) replacing my Dewalt NiCad batteries (12V, 14,4V and 18V). I bought alot of my Makita LXT tools since they were heavily discounted back then. Still going strong. Keeping you and your family in my daily prayers.

Интересные универсальные батареи , с ними можно брать любой понравившийся инструмент другой, "не твоей фирмы". Благодарю за информацию Булатный лайк мой👍

ofc they do get balanced via internal BMS, he just pointed out that the yellow connector it useless because it is not balancing the cells and it also doesn't connect to the tool, it is just there for looks.

From the start, although @toolscientist has just informed me it may have lapsed in November last year.

It was a major BS patent, but they somehow made it stick. Sued and settled with Makita and Hitachi and I think Bosch. Snap-on took them to court and lost. Everyone's being paying royalties to Milwaukee for over 10 years, but patent expired November 2023, so hopefully that's all over now. Putting more powerful cells in a power tool battery is the most obvious thing in the power tool world, and obviousness usually makes patents invalid. I would have loved if some other company patented 21700s or tabless cells in power tool batteries and made it free for everyone except Milwaukee.

@@toolscientist haha yeah that would be epic :D

@@toolscientist unbelieveable？！？ but then again why wld they be content with collecting royalties instead of being able to reign supreme in cordless tools had they been the only one using lithium cells?

​@@delvingoh8309 maybe some sort of anti-trust issues. The patent was granted around 2008, but I don't think they started enforcing it until the 2010s. By that time most lithium systems were established and there would have been massive consumer and regulatory backlash if all those systems had to be pulled from the market.

why not, you just have C on both ends and it supports 240w (48V * 5A)

Except they cost MORE than name brand batteries!

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yes, that made me rethink the idea of these batteries. I wanted to order one, and discovered that they are like 2-3 times more expensive than genuine ones.

Makita batteries have internal protection and they don't cutout as early as this CEENR.

And when they do cut out you don't have to take them back to the charger to wake them up again.

It's very frustrating that YT allows an editing function where people can completely change their original comment after people have replied to them, rather than that person owning what they said in future replies.

not really, Tesla don't use molicels.