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finally someone who is not playing southern rock and or a fender strat style guitar to test the damn speakers!! the guitar cab used in the precious years is not manufactured anymore.
I have these speakers in my 1960A cab....I've listened to a lot of comparison vids...yep they are the most versatile but IMO, the Greenbacks are best for crunchy metal, (not used in this comparo).
The Lynchback sounded the best to me in this test. I like speakers that not only cut through the mix, but cut through with authority, and that's why I liked the Lynchback. It has muscle and thickness to lend authority to the guitar tone, but at the same time it has a complex harmonically rich mid-range that not only cuts through the ix better than the Vintage 30 but also lends a nice clarity to the notes.
@@jaycee30865 T75s are 3 dbs lower than V30s and both H speakers. "Although an increase of 3 dB represents a doubling of the sound pressure, an increase of about 10 dB is required before the sound subjectively appears to be twice as loud. The smallest change we can hear is about 3 dB." Pulled straight from google and I get what they mean. It is definitely possible to hear a difference at 1 or 2 dbs difference but 3 is when it kind of jumps out. That being said, a V30 is not twice as loud.
Brandon Bamesberger i have one in a combo tube amp. It can be a bassy / boomy speaker if ur not careful. I find it pairs best w I rage voices trebly guitars. Ymmv
@@BrandonBames because of the price, people are praising expensive ones. V Type is prbly the best C speaker produced in years. I'm not surprised it's in Suhr Bella.
Yes, the G12H is definitely a great alternative for V30's. I think its a bit overshadowed by todays success of the whole Creamback line (which are great speakers too ofcourse)
I was impressed by the G12H-75 Creamback. I like the 65 watt Creamback from the other demo you did, but the 75 watt version sounded like a bigger, beefier version, at least to me. It's certainly made me want to look into them more, thanks :)
More dynamic speaker all around. People think they love British mids until they hear a more modern version of a British speaker that dials back the mids a bit and adds some punch to everything else. The G12H has a British foundation with some American sensibilities. Perfect.
The v type and a type surprised me the most. Woah. V30 and the creamback h75 sounded best. Fits so well in a mix and it has that extra 2% that other speakers lack. Small percentage but makes that much of a difference. V type is a close second then the lynchback and creamback g12-65 tied in third for me.
Keep seeing the G12T-75 show up, and it keeps sounding good. My Rectoverb 25 is a bit mid-strong for me and I’d rather not add an EQ pedal to my already crowded pedal board. The Verb comes with a UK V30. The V-Types are actually pretty good speakers.
Great comparison. I like the way you did in a mix and on its on. That way we can hear how it sounds in all situations. Also using a short but dynamic riff was perfect. Allows us to actually hear the properties of the speaker. I hate when some people just shred to show their chops. That does nothing for a comparison. A+ video. Thank you for taking the time. Still don't know which my favorite is. The only one I didn't like was the A Type.
Yes, the A type is a totally different speaker than most regular speakers. Not a fan either, but it can sound good for clean guitar tones. It just misses a lot of treble. Thanks for your comment, I'm glad you like this comparison!
after having hours upon hours put in with my marshall DSL through an EVH 2x12 with the G12H30's and having become somewhat tired of what I percieve anyway as an overly fizzy character and unrefined low end, this is very much helping me make up my mind for the replacements and I am leaning towards either the V types or the creamback 75s
I think you'll dig the Creamback's the most if you want nice treble. Actually the best treble that I've experienced comes from the Celestion Cream, but unfortunately I don't have one anymore, so it didn't end up in the video. It's an alnico speaker so quite expensive, but has such a nice fizz to it without being harsh. I think this speaker is mostly used for cleans, but damn... it sounded super awesome with high gain too, especially in the room.
The DSLs are quite scooped. I recommend running mids on 10, treble no more than 4, preferably 3, presence wide open on 10, bass and resonance around 5. That will get it into useable territory, regardless of the speaker used.
I have a dsl40cr that came with the V-Type and it's really fizzy and lacks bottom end...it sounds thin and brittle...not so bad for blues and country...terrible for metal though. I use an extension cab loaded with a Vintage 30 8ohm for high gain and it fixes the fizz issue and has tons of bottom end...it thumps and has searing creamy leads...so much better than the v-type for that application.
Awesome compare my friend. Thank you for making this. The Creambacks are a standout IMO alongside the Lynch 50 GL. Both greats sounding speakers. I think I like the Creambacks the best.
hahaha i was just complaining to myself about how time stamps in comparison videos never consistently line up with the start of the clip. You wen't and solved that like a boss! Good day sir :)
This is super a helpful demonstration! If only this had been made a couple of years later to include Redbacks :) I'm currently in the market for a cab and I've debating between one with Vintage 30's vs. one with Redbacks, but I don't really have a great comparison (such as this one) for Redbacks directly up against other speakers. They've just been highly recommended to me by a guitarist/producer buddy of mine.
Yep. Good ears man. The V30 doesn't have any of that nasty ear killing 2k jingle bells from hell. Who cares about 'beefy'. It's those higher frequencies you want to get rid of. That's where the real warmth comes from !
@Chief Thundrecock - Well, actually it depends on what type of rig you're running into the speaker(s). Your signal chain is going to determine what's coming out of it more than anything else. That said, you must be using a lot of digital stuff.
@@TheAxe4Ever a speaker like the v30 slays in taming the woofiness of something like a dual rectifier and bringing out its mids amongst all the low end, where they can get harsh with somethings thats crunchier like a 5150 which is too much high end paired with v30s.
borutos dad I guess that’s why I hated them so much. I got my first Peavey 5150 head (Block letter) when they first came out. I was playing it through a Marshall cab with V30’s and hated it. I had been through a few cabinets through the years and they all came loaded with V30’s for some reason. Probably because they were a popular speaker and I really wanted to try to like them. Recently I went with the EVH 5150 III and the same thing. V30’s were awful with that too. Finally broke down and bought the matching cab with the EVH G12. They are actually the G12M Heritage speakers with the EVH badge on the back. MUCH better. So yeah, you are correct. Depends on the amp they’re paired with.
Excellent job - this is how all comparisons should be done. Maybe mention the mic set-up or other little details, but other than that, excellent demonstration. Kinda goes to show that the preferred sound will always be subjective, especially if the music is well performed.
amazing mix and comparison! I´m so glad I found this video quickly :) I´m starting to lose the blind faith I had in my V30´s as sometimes I have a hard time mixing high gain guitars (but when I get the sweetspot they sound agressive and beautiful)
My issue with this one is the v30 sounds nothing like the v30's I've got, far clearer on the top end here. Most of these sound great too, makes me want to reconsider the v-type and g12-65.
@@vicferrari89 I had some long talks with various V30 nerds about this and the consensus was that the initial differences are the most apparent. After years of burn in, apparently the V30s from China sound similar to the UK. As far as I know they moved all their manufacturing equipment to China to get them set up too, and after some setbacks early on, should be pretty close. That said, I think the original equipment is in the UK again with the Chinese stuff calibrated off of it. There is a whole thing about the cones too. I've also realized how massively cab construction affects tone from my own testing, probably more than China vs UK ever would. Since getting my H&K V30 4x12, I'm perfectly happy with the tone I'm getting from well used China V30s.
Great comparison! I’m thinking of putting a new speaker in my Marshall DSL40CR and this was a big help. Many thanks. Creamback 75 I think! I like the V30 as well.
Man the thing with this is IMO - THEY ALL sound good in their own way. At some point you just gotta decide what tone and sound YOU want. Ask yourself musically/sonically what you're trying to achieve, and does that speaker or combination do it?
thanks for such a hi-fi, clear sounding video. also, you did a great job dialing in a killer distortion sound. it sounds good regardless of each speaker's own signature stamp. I'm still deciding on which speaker I liked best. although I can say that i myself own a 4x12 of GT12-75's, and in this video, they sound amongst the weakest of the other speakers here, to my ear. the other speakers have made me more aware of a high-mid fizz that is present in the character of the G12T-75, that I would rather not have present. here goes more GAS. lol
MrKingswebe Thanks! Well, I have a hate love relationship with the T75. I would suggest both of the creambacks and the lynchback as great alternatives for the T75 and V30.
@@jaychen2000metal WGS have been through the roof pre pandemeic. 119 for a reaper vs 125 for a greenback. Hardly much cheaper. Now prices have gone up even further. I always like my jet series jensen. I have 10 Falcons and they totally got rid of all my fizz.
@@thorinbane I kept seeing $149 for Celestion and $119 for wgs so i went WGS Reaper/Retro and i love it. Not the best for bitey amps because the Retros are a tad bitey in the treble.
Very good demonstration of how they sound in modern hard rock/metal song. Thanks for sharing. I love your riffs. I wish I could throw down some vocals to it. The Creamback 65 and Lynchback 50 sound almost identical. The G12H-30 and the Creamback 75 sound very similar, too. The V-Type and the A-Type sound totally different, but they are both so thin. They lack the lows and highs, but that thin quality can be a very good thing when pared with a one of the others that are larger than life, or to tame the fizzyness of some amps distortion. The G12T-75 is a great speaker to pair with a Vintage 30 for live shows, but for recording they can either present an awesome pair that’s easy to mix or a terrible fight with the other instruments and a battle to mix. Both are great speakers. The proof is that they are on thousands of very successful recordings.
I think a pairing of 2 Creamback 75's with 2 V30's in a 4x12 would sound excellent, maybe switch one of the 4 speakers for a Creamback 65 for some extra low end
that's the way to do a speaker test, thanks a lot. G12H30 Anniversary for me, also that V-type is growing on me, it has most of the G12H30/Greenback/Vintage 30 sounds without any of the bad peaks, a very classy rock sound really and dirt cheap too
Thanks! Yes, the G12H30 is actually a great speaker too. I actually like it even more on this newer comparison I've made: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JERNrggNNtI.html It's the first speaker in the comparison clips.
Would the G12T-75 work well when mixed with the V-Type ? I love the T-75 but I prefer mixing it , V30 is the classic choice but I can't afford it for the moment ,would the V-Type be a good and cheaper alternative to the V30 ? I'm asking just for advice here Nice Tones BTW and great comparison , only the A-type sounded awful :-/
Great comparison, great sound quality! The riff is pretty good too, allowed me to check out the oomph, and the drive, and the brightness, and body of each speaker. One of the best comparisons I've seen on youtube, great job! Btw, could you give us some more info on the gear you used? Thanks.
