CELESTION Vintage 30 vs G12M Greenback | Part 1: Downtuned Metal 

Love the greenbacks. I’ve been playing EVH G12s with my Marshall TSL and I love the way it sounds.

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Great comparison video! The character of each speaker is more apparent in a mix setting. Thanks for including mic placement, eq and compression settings. Awesome riff and great tones. 🤟

I tried the 25w Greenbacks/V30 combo in a Friedman 4x12, and it’s a fantastic combo, one of my ATFs. Worked amazingly with the JJ Jr, SLO, KSR, and Driftwood. Great video; especially the mixing tips and tricks!

This song is really cool! Especially the lead parts! I like the sound of both of those speakers. Slightly different, but both of them sounded real nice. Blending the two in the same 4x12 cab in an X pattern would be the hot ticket. I hear lots of players actually do that.

I was fortunate enough to get a half stack Marshall DSLH100 with the cabinet with G12T75. And they only took a maybe 5 or 7 hours for the speakers to get worn in and i love it. P.s. your English is excellent keep up the cool videos

The evh 20 watt greenbacks that come in the evh 4 x 12 are my favorite speakers

Good comparison. Vast difference in the sounds between the 2. I liked the Greenbacks for the rhythms and the Vintage 30 for the solo. When you combined them I thought it sounded awesome 🤘🤘

Awesome comparison! I am shocked at how different each sounded. Really cool 😎 tune and leads as well.

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Thanks. This is the kind of content one wants to see always: concise, top quality like and straight forward. Nicely done sir.

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That’s awesome. There is definitely a reason 5150 with v30s were standard. A guitar profile I’d love to hear more of is a Dual Rec lead with a ENGL Powerball rhythm, both with v30s.

I am a low to moderate gain Marshall guy and love greebacks! For this application I think the V30 is clearly the way to go for clarity with the rhythm parts. It's very close for the leads. I really like both. Depends on when you've completed the song with all tracks. The fewer, then greenback. Many tracks then V30 for leads. No rules!

Wow! Just was looking at upgrading speakers earlier today

Really nice comparison. The difference is so clearly audible and I would go with the Greenbacks if I had to choose. Nice surprise! 👍

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As tired as the “modern metal” sound is, the V30s just work better in this context. The Greenbacks are a bit tinny by comparison. That being said, I still like the greenbacks a lot for rock tones. A high gain amp into Greenbacks just instantly invokes that classic 80s sound.

Really interesting comparison. Made it clear the differences. They have different "honks".

for some reason lately i like the greenbacks better and switched from my boogie cabs to marshall bx with greenies i like the deep lower end and that chch on the cut. Great video Brother

Sounds thick and tight. Love it 🤘💀🤘🖤

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I always enjoy listening to you play and review music gear Euge. The skillshare link is one I can definitely use trying to learn Cubase 12 Pro that I am just switching to. I don't know what it is with Celestion's these days though. Either they have changed how they sound or I have changed in what I like and don't in tone. I've changed every one I've had in my amps and cabinets to either Weber's or Warehouse speakers. Most recently trying Warehouse Retro 30 speakers to replace Vintage 30's and I couldn't be happier. So much fuller and articulate tone to me compared to the V30's, making my Mesa Mark V sing.

Good stuff as always! Both are really good and it’s just up to the kind of sound you want. Btw, downtuned guitars have imho always been tricky to record considering the low/high range. Should grab the Bogren downtuned IR-s… 😂

Great comparison. Surprised how different they actually sounded. I just listened to this on my laptop speakers, no headphones or "good" audio interface. I definitely preferred the Greenback on rhythm tracks, felt like the V30 was a little muddy. On lead track I didn't hear as much difference.

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Excellent comparison Euge. The one thing to note here is that the Heritage Greenback / EVH 20w have a different profile, the ones here made in the Far East definitely have that fizzy top end. I'd love to see you do a comparison on the EVH vs Vintage 30's 🙂That would be super interesting

If you combine the V30 with an Alnico Cream you will have a magic combo that covers the spectrum flawlessly.

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When just playing, I prefer the V30. I love the response and pick attack I get from it that the Greenback just won't do for me, especially when palm muting a lot. The Greenback though has this awesome angry growl when playing chords that the V30 won't do as well. If you have the time, I'd really like to see/hear a comparison of these two alongside the T75 through the JCM 800 (and preferably in a more modest tuning) Cheers =)

I liked the GB’s in isolation but the V30’s in the mix. The mix with a blend was really good, maybe the best of both worlds. The Creamback H75 would probably a good comparison with the V30 too. I’ve heard nothing but good sounds from the Alnico creams but who wants to drop that $$$ lol

really liked the comparation

I’ve always liked the two blended for most mixes.

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Thanks for the video. Both speakers sounds nice to me just a different flavor...

Very interesting ,thank you ! 🤘

Great video

Cool track and I like both speakers. Jerry Cantrell is known to blend these both in X pattern for his Friedman cabs. Is it just me or do V30s sound best in Mesa cabs and Greenbacks in Marshall? Just a thing 😜🤟🏻. Cool track too Euge.

I really wanna say I like the greenbacks more just so I could hold up my moniker to my eye while I smoke my cigar but the truth is that the 30 just have a stronger punch and hold more detail.

always loved that greenback but the v30 maybe for lead to poke through

Great video Euge. You are an alchemist/scientist for music. Are you familiar with Wolfheart? He uses a brand I’m not familiar with but it sounds pretty good.

Should do a couple more comparisons… K100 vs Creamback maybe?

The V30 has much better mid range and overall clarity. def better for that downtuned metal insanity! cool vid!

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Hey Euge... I keep reading on forums that 4x12 greenbacks = 100 watts can't handle a 100 watt head at loud volumes and flub out and can potentially blow a speaker. Is this true??? It doesn't make sense since EVH cabs if I remember correct are 80 watts and paired with 100 watt EVH heads. Any thoughts??? Appreciate any opinion, thanks man 🤟

I like the kinda nasal aggressive sound of the greenbacks

How about a GB version of your signature „Valovirtuos“ IR (which is my favorite IR ever)? ;-)

I think these would be a great L/R compliment to each other but one thing: I must be losing my hearing because bass on the the repeating low string motif especially, I hear the lower fundamental frequencies played with more pronunciation thru the 30w than the GB. The gank in the mids are more forward with the GBs are like you said more pronounced and pushed so great for leads. I think personally if I had to only pick one, it would be the 30. Great video, as always.

DV77 vs G12K-100 comparison would be nice

Thanks for sharing !! In the context of a small 1x12 cab which one does a better job ?

My first and only cab is marshall 1936. I chose g12t75 speakers. I always felt like something was off, I never vibed with it. I bought g12h30 and swapped them out and immediately was like "yeah man this is it." I've yet to try v30 but the g12h 30 (greenback anniversary) are killer imo for metal.

Both sound amazing. Too bad g75 wasn't there to join the party/

Dropping the tuning will introduce a lot more bottom end, first off that’s an enormous difference. When the bottom end is much louder, that keeps the mids and highs quieter. Because they’re quieter, they sound weak. So when doing drop tunings the first priority is to tame the bottom end, so that the mids and highs don’t die off. Often I’ll watch the EQ and remove bass on the amp, so you get more full frequencies, a more level result without the massive thump transient. Unavoidable, but at least of you try to tame the bottom you will improve the volume of the mids and highs. Moving the mic around in usually the best first step. I’m sure you already know this, but I don’t see a comment here about the difference recording drop tuned guitars. It’s not at all the same as a standard tuning. In many ways it ruins your recording, and it has to do with increased transient volume in the lower range, which forces the mids and highs to be quieter. As for the speakers, they’re both good. I like Greenbacks and have pairs of all of them. Those 20w sound amazing, especially on Marshall amps. Meant to be. I’ve gone a bit outside with the mic position and get more cab resonance that way, which works great for me. Too close to the dust cap is too much top end. And the same for the Vintage 30. That’s a nasty speaker with a carved out midrange. But for Metal it gives a unique scooped sound and is appropriate many times with 6L6 amps. Matter of fact I don’t use it on any of my Marshall amps, the Greenback just dominates that sound. Creamback and Redback does great with 6L6 amps too, perhaps better than the Vintage 30. The Vintage 30 also has large transient bottom end so it has the same difficulties recording, the mids and highs are weaker than the bottom, thus quieter and weaker sounding. But all of them add up very well. Once your phase is aligned, and you add speakers together, you get the mids from the Greenbacks that the Vintage 30 lacks. The only EQ is some low pass filtering, no compression or dynamics reduction. Sometimes a limiter is used to cap those enormous bottom end transients that can be problematic. I have noticed certain notes like C are just explosive loud, and a limiter can be useful for the few loud notes. Love the collection of Marshalls. 👍😊

V30 for solo, Greenback for rhythm

hi, you said you used a Softube app like the Distressor ? can you share what it was cause I could not make out what you said, thanks

Try a uk 20w green or evh back same thing .not evh h30 and you will be liking this

Have ya tried that dv77 yet? I got one paired up with a v30 and loving it so far with my evh 50 watt 6l6 head. Did have it paired with the g12h30 and liked that as well but had to try out the v30 with it.

Hi. Thank you for this cool video! Is it chinese v30 or mesas?

Now this was interesting.... I've always been a "V30 guy" but maybe now I'll switch to greenbacks🤔

Did Jesper / Fred use the Greenbacks at all during the 90's/00's? Some of the freq I hear here remind me a bit of some of the tone from then. Of course IF did blending for a variety of things but it would be killer to know as I think it's probably an underrated speaker for metal.

Hello, Euge. Great video as always. What would you choose between these two speakers to use with a Marshall JVM410h? I just bought that amp, I'm about to buy a cabinet, these 2 speakers are actually my main 2 options and I can't decide just one or the other. Thanks! Greetings from Mexico!

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After listening for years difference in cabs and amps, to me, this sounds like some one is just changing EQ.

There is allso a Rivera cabinet with a 15 added I think. What is your opinion on that?

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Do you do session work?

for downtuned metal i prefer the celestion v30 or a g12-65 heritage or a g12h 75 watt creamback but greenback g12m suck on this

Is the Greenback made in China or UK made?

V30 destroys the Greenback imo

My friend EV - Greenbacks for anything guitar vibe other than blues and AC~DC = blah and a migraine HA. ..also mixing speakers are for studio apartment nerds with smelly turds. I hate the sound of different speakers in the same cabinet fighting for the same audio space mucking shit up... V30 8-ohm are King!

Holy crap stop mumbling....V30's are generic crap, why do you think they are in every cab?

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