Celik Arms - Buck Master Gen 2 and Chimera .223 Update - May 

Cheers mate thanks for the encouragement. I think it is key to understand the laws that govern us. If there is no law about something, we will use our rights and try to make it happen.

Thanks mate really appreciate the comment. Hope there is more awesome stuff to come. I was also considering a video series about how firearms distribution works, what do you think?

@AustralianSportingAgencies would be worth watching especially for an insight into how our weird gun laws make it harder

@@Wint910 OK sure, it is a minefield to navigate :) I'll put it on my list to do. Cheers

Thanks mate!! Trying hard :)

Big thanks mate, we are certainly trying hard to deliver what you guys want.....and of course, I love one too :)

What they look like isn't a consideration. Standing in front of the mirror isn't what some care about

@@gw5436 womp womp

@@gw5436 You would be surprised how rare you are :) my favorite comment is about how some thermals look bad, well who sees them in the dark anyway :)

Guys, really... Australian gun laws are ridiculous and anybody brave enough to work so hard to give people alternatives that work and care about quality deserve to be supported! Let alone have to worry about whether people who design, make, or contribute nothing make comments about visual appeal which is subjective at best and ridiculous after all that... Good work anyway on the work so far.

The box magazine is unlikely to happen before end of year, so your call by when you need one. Plus the cost will be higher as the receiver is significantly different and is more like the Chimera than the buckmaster.

Thanks Brett. I hope so, I would want to compete myself, I think it would be a wide spread great sport to have in Oz.

Thanks mate, much appreciated! Lets get these in and working, then we have a new pistol lined up and then we will see :)

Thanks Dan. Just to make sure you understand what you would be selling, the french quality is certainly better than the Turkish (reflected in cost of the product) but I get what you mean about the mechanism, if you are not working from inside a vehicle or from a tripod the forend button is certainly a better choice.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies will the Chimera .308 have a 10 rd magazine?

@@danielsivan8425 I am pushing hard to make that happen! We need 10 rounders in Oz!

me too mate!

Me too! thanks mate

Thanks mate

Cheers mate, me too, i love great timber and agree, it is a different interesting look. Obviously doesn't feel like timber, but hey why not.

Good man! I just got my PTA approved, hope to have the first one registered in the next 2 weeks for a roadshow.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies thats awesome mate .. im selling my Warwick 223 to fund the stockade . I paid almost 4k for that rifle 😂 im lucky to get 2500 for it . but its worth it .

Hi Stuart, sorry to hear. The previous distributor has done heaps for the guns to work better and we have further improved on that as well. Now they works fantastic, but I understand your frustration. We will ensure that the 308 works when it hits the market.

Thanks Craig!

Good call, I hope to be there.

Unsure tbh, I'll get back to you

Yeah that would be interesting, something different at least

Me too mate. Same with the Eureka Stockade 308. Having both will be amazing.

The issue is importation, customs which is based on ACT laws, won't let them in, hence Oceania, Warrick, Eureka etc exist. If it isn't made here, it is not coming in. But I hear you!

@AustralianSportingAgencies there are ways around that though, look at the berika or the Silah predator.

@@alexanderchase6604 Yes, keep in mind that they were banned (berika) after introduction and then they redesigned the gun to then be approved again. I hope we don't have to go through that. But I hear you....there are ways including the courts, but it gets very expensive quickly. In the end, if it is not worth financially, no one will bother.

Cheers mate, and we hope we can drive this movement!

Sounds great, stay tuned. First comes the Chimera though!

Thanks mate!

Thanks mate, I am working on exactly that, but we are probably 6-9 months out from that. Stay tuned

Hi mate, at this point we have not received any spare parts yet, so you need to get back to your dealer and ask them to get in contact with Hunts Shooting Supplies who likely have the warranty liability of your specific gun. They will be able to help you out. We are likely 2 months away until we have spare parts.

Thanks mate, yes it should. I will make a video and show it off when we have it.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies Thank you ! i will be the first to order

Cheers mate, I'll see how much needs to be redesigned, if it is just another barrel and the gas system only needs a tiny bit updating then maybe. First i need one here, to then start designing.

It’s the same cartridge as a 223, I am making 300 Black from cut down used 223 brass that’s resized to 300 black.

@@vintagetintrader1062 Yes of course, but because these are gas operated guns, you have to potentially move the gas holes closer to the action, which requires multiple parts to be redesigned and manufactured. So depending on how you solve that issue, it might be worthwhile or not. Time will tell.

@@vintagetintrader1062 Like our guy there said how things arent usually that simple. Also to make things much more harder are subsonic loads what you might actually want to use in 300bkl. And those wont cycle with same settings as normal loads. Either very overgassed for normal loads to get subs to cycle or it wont cycle with subs at all. Adjustable gasblock could potentially solve that issue but redesigning and inventing stuff may not be a cost effective enough to justify extra efford. There are reasons why bolt-action guns arent gonna go away in anytime soon. Just so much more simpler to make cost effectively.

Great questions: 1. Yes you will be able to buy the barrel separately and I am hoping to also offer shorter versions but I am still working through that with Celik. 2. The PB223 was always going to capture some customers of the Eureka or vice versa depending on which one is released first. We are just super thankful that we can offer both rifles and both at a similar point in time, so customers can make an informed decision and choose the right one for them. 3. In short, I would take the Eureka into war but not the Chimera, that statement basically addresses everything. Both do have a different price point, design, capability, accuracy etc. so I think they will attract only some customers that overlap and that will have a hard time deciding which one to buy. I assume most customers will know very quickly which one they want.

Great question: Both have the same magazine Both are .223 Rem Both are 1/8 twist Both have 7 series receivers but that's where it ends. Chimera will be lighter, Eureka will be Aussi made Chimera will be cheaper, Eureka is likely to be more accurate Chimera will shoot "faster" due to the two hand solution, Eureka will be able to stay more accurate as the barrel gets hot and the barrel will heat slower Eureka is likely to last longer, run cleaner Chimera has 1 mini pic rail, Eureka has a bunch of m-locks and a full length pic rail Chimera's recoil is close to nothing, Eureka is even less Eureka is likely available in more calibers Chimera is compatible with off the shelf shotgun stocks and parts, Eureka is compatible with AR platform accessories. Eureka's forend is flat, perfect for barricade and tripod shooting That's it out of the top of my head, but you gave me an idea for another comparison video, maybe @Fhuck Outdoors wants to do one :) In terms of the rifled barrel, I will investigate it. Might not be an issue, just not something I considered, so thanks for the suggestion. In terms of 24 inch, if there is enough demand to justify it, sure.

me too mate, I even haven't seen it yet!! We will have an update next week but I am unsure if it will be with the finished product. Our machinist had to travel for a week on another project so I am unsure if the new lower is ready and in Brisbane yet. However, we should be only a week/week and a half away from seeing the new finished Eureka Stockade.....might just be without cerakote as we are going through a testing protocol to find the right mix and blasting setting to get the most out of the cerkote.

Yes and once the 10 round is out you get 8 more rounds of fun :)

I have no idea at this point, but I hope to make it compatible if possible. However that is up to Celik, I will ask tho! Thanks for the question!

Great question. I hope to bring out a tactical forend in the future with M-Lok. The current version has a pic rail, so you would need a pic to arca adapter to make it work.

They could potentially if the forend is thicker, we might be looking into it in the future if there is demand. Keep in mind timber is more expensive than plastic so you would be paying more.

Yeah and Hunts had also stopped doing the walnut guns due to broken forends as well as the new locking nut system . Don't actually see much change on the gen 2.....

Yes there will be a left hand forend version. Will be up on the website soon, maybe in a week.

@@JoeMama-lf5bs Thanks for the comment. Yes it continues to be the fixed forend nut version, I just wanted to iterate that this issue has been fixed (by hunts i assume) and will continue to be fixed as we get a few questions on that issue.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies great news! Thanks 👍

Cheers mate. I will look into how much redesign is required for the Chimera. I know for the Eureka Stockade it is likely to be released as minimal redesign is needed.

Great question, no it is alloy going forward.

Hi mate, I get what you mean, we have to work with the mechanism which is in essence a shotgun mechanism hence the look and I tried to make it as good as it could get with the restrictions we have. The good thing is that because of that look, we shall not have any issues in Tas. Always trade-offs :)

@@AustralianSportingAgencies I did not mean it as a slight, looks are subjective, my personal view only as I prefer less traditional appearance and yes I am keen as they will fit TAS appearance laws. I already own a gen1 PB12 so I'm excited for the 223 variations.

@@adventures_with_simo Thanks mate!

Great question. the answer is Yes. We will soon be offering all stocks as parts, so you can swap them as you like. Same with barrels and other parts. Give me about 4 weeks or so.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies the fixed stock on it looks terrible and prob works terrible to...the best fixed proper pistol grip stock ive ever held and usd is the one off adler B220 straight pull.. just feels and works right, would you know if one off those stocks is a straight swap over

@@sim8634 I can tell you that it won't work on the Eureka at this point. We have two different back adapters at this point which are shown in the next video, going live tomorrow. That said, if there is demand for other adapters, we can make them and offer them as an add-on or after market solution.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies with the screw on mag extentions thats screw ont the exsisting mag do you know what thread and nut they copyed ie benelli or bereta or rem or even mossberg.. and what style choke they take..

Don't 🤣

Thanks mate. Well lets see if we can make one in 308 and then go from there. I think 338 is a whole other kettle of fish.

Yes, yes we did :)

Any shotgun over 5 rounds magazine capacity is a Cat D in Victoria, isn't it? That begs the question; where can you have a 10 round magazine shotty and how fast can I move there?

Good call. Let me get them in and then when we have those working and going well, we can offer longer barrels. It is very likely we will offer different barrels in the future especially for the 308.

Yes the principles of the Chimera comes from the shotgun platform but has since been specifically designed for the rifle version. It functioned similar to the Verney Carron Speedline or Benelli Rifle which also have their origins from shotgun designs.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies I thought so, thanks.

Great comment, I will see what I can do once we have one here. I am thinking after market accessory. Similar to those "tactical" lever action forends these days.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies yeah, like the Rossi lever actions, or similar to the taipan X etc. I think that particular action, on a proper tactical rifle chassis would make piles of money. It's the sweet spot in the market that we all want filled.

@@strider5119 I hear you loud and clear. 1. step, let me get them in, then we start improving on what we have and overtime it will be pretty awesome. But then also, if you want tactical, just get the Eureka Stockade, it already has everything you want.

We are working on having the forend mechanism switched for lefties. I am positive we will have it soon.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies could you try shooting and reloading it left handed to see if at least the right hand fingers, not the thumb of course, can actuate the button? Us left handers are used to adapting and overcoming right handed devices, so I'm not discounting the possibility of actuating the bolt release as is. 🤔🇦🇺

@@Hipporider lol I will give it a go and see (back in the office monday) , I should also have an answer to the left hand forend shortly too.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies thank you very much.

@@Hipporider Yes it will be available for left hand, it will be available for order in the next few weeks on the website celikarms.au or your local dealer.

That's a good question, let me find out!

It is synthetic wrapped in a timber look wrap.

Yes they will be.

@@AustralianSportingAgencies Thats great news thanks

Yes you can buy the extension, however we will need to also replace the rest of your magazine tube. We will offer that as a kit in the near future (1-2 months) so stay tuned please.

Great question: Both have the same magazine Both are .223 Rem Both are 1/8 twist Both have 7 series receivers but that's where it ends. Chimera will be lighter, Eureka will be Aussi made Chimera will be cheaper, Eureka is likely to be more accurate Chimera will shoot "faster" due to the two hand solution, Eureka will be able to stay more accurate as the barrel gets hot and the barrel will heat slower Eureka is likely to last longer, run cleaner Chimera has 1 mini pic rail, Eureka has a bunch of m-locks and a full length pic rail Chimera's recoil is close to nothing, Eureka is even less Eureka is likely available in more calibers Chimera is compatible with off the shelf shotgun stocks and parts, Eureka is compatible with AR platform accessories. Eureka's forend is flat, perfect for barricade and tripod shooting That's it out of the top of my head, but you gave me an idea for another comparison video, maybe @Fhuck Outdoors wants to do one :)

Really depends on the QLD police, they are sitting on our import license. The gen 2 are being manufactured next week, so we could have them within 4 weeks but I think 6 weeks is more realistic. Again, if the police keep playing games, then I can't tell.

Well, there would be a buy back, or grandfathering. Now, if we were smart we would argue that grandfathering isn't sufficient as the value of the gun is basically 0 as there is no market for them afterwards, hence the government must pay us out. The trick is to make it too expensive for them to even try, hence the more guns are in circulations, the more money it will cost them so the less likely it gets. Go buy a few guns my friend!

Yes, their are left hand forends, basically the mechanisim is on the other side.

they will come very shortly after the first lot has arrived. Stay tuned, I will have a video as soon as we have them. Pre-orders should come up soon to.

celikarms.au go for gold!

Exactly even worse then a belt fed machine gun jk

People like you said the same thing about Adler shotguns, Verney Carron lever release guns etc. Our gun laws (background checks, training, licensing, storage requirements) in Australia clearly work because we don't have mass shootings like America. The hysteria is unnecessary and unwarranted.

She will mate