Cell Games Piccolo Vs Super Vegeta: Who Would Win? 

Because he's Goku's rival, and funny enough they voice by the same guy in the dub

@@slainmyth5865 Vegeta and Piccolo are both voiced by Chris Sabat in the Funimation English dub.

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Which is funny because it was Gohan who beat Vegeta, after Vegeta beat Goku. It's also funny that Goku kept Vegeta alive so he could one day have a rematch and win, but once Goku learnt of Frieza, he literally didn't give a crap about fighting Vegeta any more. So the whole rivalry was only in Vegeta's head since Vegeta left Earth.

@@slainmyth5865 Why would you even type this comment? A simple Google search would have told you Vegeta and Piccolo are voiced by the same person in the DUB. "Pretty sure they aren't though" Pretty sure of what? Your poor ability to do some simple research?

​@@revalier3670 pretty sure of his own memory, not everyone resorts to a corporation to do all the work for them. You can just correct him and be done with it

We already saw weight not being that important in fights like against Pui Pui. Vegeta would probably be stunned but that wouldn't be enough to stop him.

@@DarthFhenix55 The Pui Pui thing meant nothing because it was the same gravity as the saiyan homeworld. So it was a normal gravity level for saiyans. If the weight is high enough to where Vegeta isn't used to it, then it will slow him down significantly.

​@@DarthFhenix55Whis made a suit that Vegeta struggled to lift. PIccolo could probably make a suit that cell saga Vegeta would never be able to lift. It's a shame he never thought about doing that

​@@ojpickle5923bro because his ki would easily tear it apart

​@@ohhellwhereami2574by the time he rips apart the suit, piccolo could have blasted him

Yeah but nooo

​​@@Cheapstall But Yeah, take off Kaio-Ken off your pfp & name you don't deserve it after saying that

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD I’m mad at myself for thinking you might actually argue a point

Didn’t Vegeta do better against the cell juniors than anybody else though?

@@zaylendaniels The video is talking about the Vegeta who fought cell not the cell jrs

That is how dragon ball z works. Who ever got the latest buff is the best. But goku will always plot armor his way above them.

aha...and that's why when the Cell Jr.s attacked everyone, Cell only mentions Vegeta and Trunks as being able to hold their own...riiiight~

Nah lol Piccolo has never been in the same league as the Saiyans after Rosat

I agree w everything you said this is well said an thought out !

​@@ultimateyagermanyet piccolo actually fought off a cell Jr and even Vegeta was pissed when he went into the time chamber meaning piccolo is stronger than himself or comparable

But cell says the only people that can survive the cell juniors are vegeta and trunks.

@@danielsilva-ds2uyeah but there were 2 instances where trunks was shocked at piccolos power post ROST

@BM-sg1sl right but then when that was put to the test, cell says only trunks and vegeta can fight back. He didn't say piccolo could. On the field, piccolo wasn't as strong as trunks lead you to believe. I think what's impressive about piccolo ( aside from the kami fusion) is how strong he can get in general. Saiyans need those multipliers. Pre android, vegetas training took his base from 2ish million to 5 or 6ish million. Piccolo went from a little over 1 million to idk, however strong to beat android 20. I'm not sure how strong android 20 is, but I assume vegeta would have to be near full power ssj to beat him. Piccolo says that 20 would have beat vegeta bc 19 took too much energy. So what I think trunks was impressed by is how much piccolo can increase his strength without multipliers. And when trunks in base form felt piccolos strength he was complementing him on that feat. But I'm positive that if trunks went ssj grade 2 he would be considerably stronger than piccolo. My reason for believing is because cell mentions only vegeta and trunks can fight back. So it doesn't really matter how impressed trunks was with piccolo post ROSAT, the evidence in battle proves otherwise.

I think Vegeta and Trunks were briefly stronger than him when they fought cell( keep in mind piccolo was healing after imperfect cell blasted him) until piccolo went inside the chamber for the ten days,then they should be equal.

He was as strong as them as ss but not as strong as grade 2, that’s irrelevant though because they never really use grade 2 after second form cell

Because it is a comparison based on what we saw and not a "what if".

Piccolo would've been a far greater mentor to Trunks. Even if Vegeta and Trunks sparred and got stronger from it, Vegeta wouldn't be interested in teaching or mentoring Trunks in any way, and it was hinder them both still.

First, a small difference in strength can make you much stronger than your opponent. Zarbon was 91.7% Vegeta's level, but Vegeta killed him easily. Secondly, Cell's words were not relevant, he was just wrong, like Gohan Thirdly, Piccolo's cell is able to replace Junior's cell, so this makes it close to Vegeta's level at least. I think it is 85% of Vegeta's level or more, while Junior's cell is 92.8% of Vegeta's level.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

What evidence do you have?,I just assumed they would be stronger than Goku and Trunks at the time given those three years.

Fine let's say your correct, then after both 19 absorbs Gokus energy and Gero absorbs both Piccolo and Vegetas energy they would indeed be stronger than the Goku and Trunks that's sparred.

@@justinarzola4584there is no evidence Trunks got stronger and he was somewhat comparable to Goku and Vegeta who were vastly stronger than 19 and 20.

@@lavafighter3236Nothing proves that.

Really nice question. I'll give it to Super Android 13

I think Android 13.

@@JSmoothSoul No. regular 13 was fighting on par more or less with regular SSj1 Goku. None of the Z fighters have been to the room of spirit and time yet in this movie as well.

Recoome was stated to be 40.000 while Nail 42.000. Just Google it "Dragonball official power levels". I think that guides about power levels comes from Dainzeshuu, i am not sure, but it's pretty accurate until the Frieza saga.

Vegeta was like at 35,000, Recoome is like 42-45,000

I'd like to see that.... I think I know the answer but I'd like to see that

I think it's the same level as Traction Cell, but Piccolo will definitely be close to their level, 80-90% Vegeta's level. After seven years of training in Bu Saga, Piccolo could defeat Cell jr easily

Well since trunks is weaker than goku it might of been a quicker fight, not much to show

​@@bigmanjames7402Goku doesn't go all out at first, and would give Frieza and chance to leave

Pretty sure cell says vegeta and trunks are the only ones can hold their own against the cell Jrs

@@VergilWergil Cell said that at the very start of the Cell Jr assault, and said it only to get Gohan to be angry. But by the end time Gohan snaps we see Piccolo standing and doing just as well as the other two. It's a moot point and I wish people would stop trying to use it as a go-to. Actions speak louder than words and the action proved Cell's word wrong.

@@EndoScorpion " we see Piccolo standing" This part is true "and doing just as well as the other two." This part is blatantly Untrue We NEVER see how Piccolo is doing in his fight against the Cell Jr's(except in the Anime but DBZ Anime Scaling is garbage) except from a distance but guess what EVERYONE ELSE is also fighting one from a Distance and we know most of them aren't doing well. All we have to go off of is Cells Statement in which Piccolo is not doing well against the Cell Jr's.

@@SRVaris Reread the part where I said Cell's statement is right at the beginnig of the assault and that he's trying to goad Gohan. It's not reliable. By the end of the fight, in the manga, Piccolo had taken only as much damage as Trunks and Vegeta; a few cuts and bruises. The rest of the team were writhing on the floor in agony. So yeah; Piccolo was doing as well as Vegeta and Trunks.

@@EndoScorpion "Reread the part where I said Cell's statement is right at the beginnig of the assault and that he's trying to goad Gohan. It's not reliable." You would have to prove he isn't just stating a Fact to goad Gohan also Gohan can LOOK and see the battle happening if Cell was lying Gohan would know. "By the end of the fight, in the manga, Piccolo had taken only as much damage as Trunks and Vegeta; a few cuts and bruises. The rest of the team were writhing on the floor in agony. So yeah; Piccolo was doing as well as Vegeta and Trunks." This is forgetting a thing about Namekian's they can REGENERATE where as Vegeta and Trunks can't.

I don't know why Vegeta has fans defending him for no reason. Piccolo was stronger than Vegeta after training the Spirit Chamber and time with evidence Well Piccolo saw the semi cell form so he knows how strong he is But he asked Goku, "Can I defeat a cell with this power?" He wouldn't have asked this question if he was weaker than Vegeta and Trunks You know that Piccolo gets stronger when he takes off the weights. But it was strange that Trunks was shocked by his level of strength when he came out even without taking off the weight. So he is definitely stronger than Trunks and Vegeta before entering again. Thirdly, Piccolo has a lot of potential to develop himself more than Goku and Vegeta, even though he was training alone, I am sure that he increased his strength more than Vegeta did. Remember, after three years of training, he became much stronger than Frieza. Don't forget that Piccolo was 60 percent stronger than Vegeta before entering a room Vegeta didn't improve much when he entered the room again He gave Junior's cell a tough fight. Piccolo is 85% higher than Vegeta's level

You're dumb. Not only is Super Vegeta stronger than Piccolo after fusing with Kami, but Trunks, who is about equal to Super Vegeta, can still hold off a Cell Jr. while Post-Chamber Piccolo can't. Cell literally says that "only vegeta and trunks can defend themselves, not even your own father," implying Piccolo is weaker than Trunks, who was the same as Vegeta when he fought SemiPerfect Cell. Vegeta used unecesary straining on his body which Goku already said was useless, but Piccolo still couldn't even match up to Trunks. No matter how you put it, Piccolo is weaker. I didn't watch the video at first, but even now, I'm still right. @@YonolKom

Was that not Filler? It's funny how Vegeta was flying away and in the next Episode he was back like nothing happend. Vegeta at Earth in the Namek Arc was a lot stronger then Piccolo. Piccolo could not see anything that Frieza did. Vegeta saw it at least.

@@cloudxz92 Yes!!!! Thank you. I forgot about that. Vegeta was able to see final form finger blast where everyone else didn't. So he pushes Gohan out of the way. 👍

Vegeta and Trunks were at the Jr Cell level after entering for the second time. But Piccolo surpassed Android and even semi-cell because he entered the Chamber of Spirit and Time and before entering, he was 60 percent stronger than Vegeta. In fact, Piccolo, with weight, was much stronger than Vegeta and Goku. And Vegeta, when he entered, came out with a stronger semi-cell, so logically, Piccolo should be stronger because he was stronger than them, and because of Piccolo’s ability to increase his strength in the Namek Saga, he was stronger than the second form, Frieza. Then in Android Saga, he became close to the strength of Vegeta and Goku, a Super Saiyan. He became stronger than Androids, with the exception of 17-18. He became stronger than Frieza Piccolo is close to cell jr level

Trunks was shocked by Piccolo's strength, even with his weight, so Piccolo became stronger in semi-cell when he came out, and even with the weight, he became much stronger than Vegeta and Trunks. But when Trans and Vegeta came out, they did not achieve much gain. Because Vegeta was training alone, Vegeta was not much stronger than Piccolo. He is Junior Cell level while Piccolo is close to Vegeta Super Saiyan level

Uh no piccolo wasn’t doing better then vegeta and trunks cell stated the only ones holding they’re own against the cell juniors was vegeta and trunks.

@@Remote.1s Cell can state whatever he wants. The anime clearly shows Piccolo holding his own against several Jrs. If we're talking manga, then there's hardly anything to go by.

@@ShadeSlayer1911 wrong piccolo wasn’t doing anything damage to the cell junior he was fighting he was just dodging. Vegeta final flash from when he first fought perfect cell would’ve killed him if he didn’t move out the way. Arkrai toriyama even stated that the final flash was the strongest blast in the hole arc

@@ShadeSlayer1911 He was still standing alongside them when SSJ2 Gohan appeared. Which is better than nothing cause he looked in no worse wear than either Trunks or Vegeta.

@@Remote.1s I don't believe statements. Toriyama could state that Harry Potter no diffs Zamasu. Would you believe that? I believe feats, and I mean concrete feats. This means a hypothetical of "what if the Final Flash hit Cell head on?" doesn't fly with me. Piccolo showed himself being able to handle the Jrs better than Vegeta. Even if he couldn't deal serious damage to them, neither could Vegeta. And since DB runs off of a singular stat for the most part, Piccolo clearly has the higher PL and is therefore stronger than Vegeta.

Cell only says only trunks and vegeta are fighting back not piccolo.

That would be a cool beam struggle

​@@westonnwaimo4002yeah I did it in Raging Blast 2

Vegeta's strategy is about avoiding fights with people he knows he can't win against. His ego still gets the better of him though, and he ends up challenging people he can't beat. His life has been about fighting fights he can win easily. He's never been properly challenged until Goku. Piccolo is a proper martial artist and a true genius fighter.

@@Bejitajap Again, it was a strategy to avoid a fight, by bluffing and causing 20 to flee. It actually was dumb because it led Gero to retreat in order to revive 17&18. When it comes to actual fighting Vegeta relies heavily on overpowering his opponent, and/or just blasting away. He's never seen or known to fight strategically, being able to stand up to a stronger opponent - like how Goku was able to stand up to Frieza and Vegeta for so long.

@@Bejitajap Piccolo was right there ready to fight 20. He was about to fight 19 & 20 anyway before Vegeta turned up, so no, Vegeta's bluff didn't prevent Vegeta from getting wrecked. It just caused 20 to flee and resort to 17&18. But if Piccolo had taken out 20 he would've prevented that. Vegeta purposely let 19 drain him so that he could show off his SSJ power. He didn't need to do that, and shouldn't have done that if he was planning to take on 20 as well and end them both. It was pure ego-driven, and that's the kind of fighter Vegeta is. It's always about his ego. That's not an opinion. It's fact. And it's the reason for most of the conflict in Z anyway. Give me an example of where Vegeta uses this supposed "genius" strategies in order to take on and beat an opponent stronger than him - or even just push said opponent to their limits, like how Goku pushed Vegeta and Frieza. Because I don't remember one. Vegeta either dominates or gets dominated (or outsmarted and worn down like in the Saiyan Saga). I can point to several examples of where Vegeta has lost to weaker/equal opponents, purely because he let his ego dictate how the fight went. Even when he was winning his thick-headed ego cuased him to lose. Also, by Vegeta's own admittion he'd never had to try before Goku. Because he only picked fights with people he knew he could completely dominate. Even on Namek he only picked on weaker opponents. Avoided stronger ones... until his ego got the better of him and he challenged them anyway and got wrecked. Because he goes in guns blazing and then ends up paying the price for it and put in his place. Vegeta fans are the same as Vegeta: Driven by ego, can't handle that others don't share their opinions, and think their massively biased opinion is fact.

​@@Bejitajap The very first thing I said in my first comment was "Vegeta's strategy is about avoiding fights with people he knows he can't win against." The things you listed were just evidence to support that. He doesn't fight smart while in a fight. His smarts are about which fights he picks. But even then he faulters. A lot. Because of his ego. I never said he was a "thoughtless brute" either. I pointed out his ego leads him to make some stupid decisions, and causes him to lose wins he'd would've otherwise won. But his fighting style is very much to overpower/dominate his opponents, not to outlast or outsmart them. That's not how he rolls. Goku fought smart and strategically against Vegeta to the point where Vegeta lost his composture and thought he needed to resort to Oozaru. He was blinded by his ego and frustration that he was struggling so much against a low class. But the Oozaru transformation was his biggest mistake here. Not only did it use up a lot of his power, the fake moon drew Gohan's attention and brought him and Krillin back into the fight. Which led to Vegeta losing. And yes, he did lose. Drop your ego/fan-gasm over Vegeta for a second. He lost that fight in the end and retreated. Krillin was the last man standing and was literally about to finish him off before Goku stopped him.

I think we need to drop the guide books almost entirely... They really clash with the narrative... It comes of in the series like grade 2 is super saiyajin on top of super saiyajin, grade 3 is another one on top of that (at the cost of everything except power) and then grade 4 like we see is just don't transform but use the latent energy as a buff to a atats... I do think the 500x multplier starts to look realistic narratively but that we're also looking at 50x 50x for grade 2 etc...

I don't know why Vegeta has fans defending him for no reason. Piccolo was stronger than Vegeta after training the Spirit Chamber and time with evidence Well Piccolo saw the semi cell form so he knows how strong he is But he asked Goku, "Can I defeat a cell with this power?" He wouldn't have asked this question if he was weaker than Vegeta and Trunks You know that Piccolo gets stronger when he takes off the weights. But it was strange that Trunks was shocked by his level of strength when he came out even without taking off the weight. So he is definitely stronger than Trunks and Vegeta before entering again. Thirdly, Piccolo has a lot of potential to develop himself more than Goku and Vegeta, even though he was training alone, I am sure that he increased his strength more than Vegeta did. Remember, after three years of training, he became much stronger than Frieza. Don't forget that Piccolo was 60 percent stronger than Vegeta before entering a room Vegeta didn't improve much when he entered the room again He gave Junior's cell a tough fight. Piccolo is 85% higher than Vegeta's level As for the difference between their strength when fighting 19-20, Piccolo was 80% more than Vegeta's level, so they were almost equal.