You Don't Understand Ultra Ego... 

The only thing I don’t understand is why they refuse to give Vegeta a clean, clear cut, winning arc. Let Vegeta evolve and be the big hero #1 for once. With him pulling the full risk of loss.

Ive always had the theory since this came out that vegeta will never actually fully master this form because of how much he values his new life. Like i feel there will come a point where he either crosses into complete godhood but in turn basically has to give up his whole new life he created for himself for it, and weirdly i see him denying this path more than i see goku choosing to fully ascending. I think that side of him outweighs even his "super ego" now and that he wont fully dive into the path of being a true destroyer.

One thing I appreciate is that Vegeta in this state isn't a completely old person nor a new person, and this state isn't suddenly a forced brutality that will hurt others inherently. It allows for control and the general nature isn't going to consume Vegeta like when he was way back in early Z. It is just harnessing the power innate within him. Since he doesn't actually destroy the home himself, it's safe to say he doesn't completely lose it. He just gives Goku a hit because he interfered and can take it. Most of the stuff Vegeta does that is aggressive now is out of a new purpose, but he doesn't lose everything that makes himself who he is, just like Goku doesn't become a different person entirely with UI. It all is delving into true nature, and I think Vegeta can actually keep Ego under check without disregarding everything he has experienced if he truly does master it. Like Goku learning true Instinct through his own roots as one with Saiyan Blood as well as a peaceful upbringing. Vegeta having the harsher upbringing does mean he gets more aggressive, but doesn't hamper him. Even Majin Vegeta still loved his family, he didn't end up hitting any of his family or friends in the blast. It may not actually require full detachment. If Goku needs to hear his father to gain new power, I don't see why Vegeta needs to lose his family ties to do the same. They are both inherently different yet linked.

I feel like Vegeta's final stage in this line of transformations is going to be a harmony between the best aspects of his Super Ego, and his Ego. A "Perfect" ego so to speak. Both the pride filled, strength obsessed, battle hungry sayian, but also the caring protective father who wants to push everyone one around him to constantly strive to improve and aim to be the best.

So in ultra ego, Vegeta is 100% himself, a pure individual, in absolute control, and in godlike levels of focus.

To me the transformations make perfect sense. Ultra Instinct is about openness, the “just do it” effortlessness that Goku embodies. Ultra Ego is about supreme focus, mirroring Vegetas consistent hard work. Both are paths to enlightenment and their descriptions of how they feel when they achieve their forms are very similar to descriptions of enlightenment.

Bro put it together so neat, I actually like Ultra Ego a lot better. The fact that vegeta struggles to master it because he can’t fully become the “callous man” he once was i just love that.

Transforms -> gets beat up in order to get stronger -> passes out from being beat up

You got it spot on. Ego doesn’t mean “arrogance”. It means the self. Everyone has ego. People saying the name is stupid is actually coming from their own ego. Vegeta is accepting himself which makes him stronger.

Vegeta is my dad

I don’t get the ‘goofy name’ argument. It’s perfectly descriptive of the form’s function, effectively communicates that it’s the antithesis to Ultra Instinct, and if nothing else is no more goofy than Super Saiyan Blue. I genuinely appreciate making new forms that align with the character’s, well, character, and their personal story and growth.

What a severely underrated video. I hope this blows up. Never seen anyone talk about the true design behind Ultra Ego like this before. I think we saw the very beginnings of Ultra Ego begin to emerge during the ToP, where Vegeta finally chooses to blaze his own trail, as opposed to constantly following Goku's. 10/10 my man. Keep up the great content.

Honestly I've never had any issues with ultra ego's name, design, or even its powers. It's very clearly still incomplete, just as Goku's UI was incomplete when he first started using it. As Vegeta improves and develops new skills to supplement UE, I think we'll see it really come into its own. Maybe he'll develop a passive regen to help compensate for the damage he takes, or he'll improve the speed of his ability to ramp up in strength. I suspect that he'll stop outright tanking attacks as he gets more experienced and instead start focusing on trading blows, using the damage he takes to grow stronger at the moment of his attacks, then recovering during the lull of combat with passive regen or something

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Pretty awesome video! I didn't take issue with the name when I first heard it, in fact I thought it sounded perfect, and your video essay all the more proves that. Vegeta is on a path of discovery of self, and understanding his "ego" I think is perfect place for his character development to be in

Finally someone gave Ultra Ego some justice. Many people trash on the form for multiple reasons but they rarely try to understand it. It's quite possible the best form for Vegeta, his destructive nature that he was born and raised with. I see him one day mastering Ultra Ego in a way that matters to him specifically. His pride as the prince of saiyans, his pride as a man who protects his family, and his pride for his destructive nature mixed together to make a form that helps him overcome his own hurdles that put him behind Goku

I see it as a parallel to the two sides of The Force. The Light Side being selflessness and becoming one with The Force and the Dark Side being selfishness and beding The Force to your will. Ultra Instinct is giving yourself to The Force in full and letting it guide you in a sort of zen state. Ultra Ego would be the opposite, enslaving breaking the chains that binds you to it and achieving true mastery of yourself.

It's funny how you talk about the Ego and Super Ego in the vid. Cause, although it's a bit different with Freud, I feel like Goku's UI can be directed as the Id. The natural, primal self that never thinks higher thoughts than the base of "eat, reproduce, survive" So Vegeta going in the opposite direction, where the mind is in full control of the body vs the body moving in a primal instinct really hammers a duality thing I've enjoyed with Super so far.

Another great video as always. I would have never seen all this depth Super has had it not been for this channel.

Beautifully put as usual man 🙏🏾 I love your content, u honestly the only DB RU-vidr to convey information in such an eloquent and palatable way

12:29 The contrast of these images is astounding... Perhaps the way to distinguish how these forms are different would be this: Goku's form is like the flow state when you're fully concentrated on a game and the world around you disappears, since fighting is like a fun game to Goku, it's like an experimental sandbox he's messing around with. For Vegeta with the chip on his shoulder of always trying to survive in war, not fights for fun or martial arts sportsmanship but fights to the death, his form is like adrenaline and survival instinct to utterly dominate his opponent without mercy. So more of a bloodlust and frenzy of war like someone who enjoys gunning down everyone in their way and rack up killcount (to feel pride in), while Goku's is classic martial arts discipline and focus (throwing yourself against the insurmountable mountain of Jiren to surpass and better yourself, Goku's eternal goal as a gamer who wants to get gud)

I think this is more of an interim form for vegeta, when he finally squares both halves of his self he’ll have something different and something more fully his own

It seems the lesson Vegeta needs to learn is that he needn't think so hard about who he is or needs to be. He just needs to take better charge of who he truly is/been and bring that into harmony with others, applying his traits on a case by case basis, kind of like what Goku ended up doing against Frieza on Namek upon becoming a Super Saiyan.

Vegeta is still a trainee in UE/Hakai. He can still be blasted by energy blasts, Top couldn't even be bothered by blasts in his destroyer form until he was very weak an could barely muster a blast. Granted Vegeta had more power and strength overall in the end and was able to overcome Top become Vegeta himself is Hakai sensitive.

Ego = Aware Instinct = Unaware They're polar opposites

Loving this channel. Keep up the amazing work!

ultra ego is vegeta in SSJ3 while using god KI. we seen this evident in his growth with god ki as normal god ki is red, then turns blue with a golden aura over it when they go ssj. goku couldnt go to his higher forms for what ever reason but vegeta mastered this and went SSJ2 during the TOP to fight Toppo. now he has gone SSJ3 with god of destruction ki. similar in technique to goku using god ki and UI or goku using god ki, ssj and kioken together. ultra ego is equivalent to kioken or UI as a technique more than just a transformation. for example during goku's fight with jiren while in UI he went SSJ towards the end of his fight. which altered the form. vegeta didnt become a cat, he went ssj3 and applied the G.O.D. technique.

Vegeta is the real main character , His character development is insane. I just hope he get a win some day

I do think that this is a good analysis for Vegeta and his ultra ego form.

This video not only put this form into a whole new perspective for me but honestly it’s growing to be one of my favorite forms due to the philosophy of it

Videos like these remind me why I love RU-vid so much, great stuff man!!

Tbh ur channel is the best in explaining these kinds of things, u really script ur videos so well that I feel like one with the video, this is a masterpiece just as the other videos you've made so far, Btw I never hated ultra ego's name, it is a dope ass form in my opinion i honestly kinda disliked it the first but it really grew up on me as i started understanding it

Love the video I wanna say since you used the final explosion at least for the English kai dub I love how krillen screams Vegeta coming from the man who had a katana on him in the Saiyan arc

This is the second video ive watched over yours and i gotta say i love the quality of them with the music and clips subscribed and liked

This is probably the first Dragon Ball video I’ve watched that’s left me speechless- I kinda only knew what UE could do, and not really anything else like you’ve explained. Now it makes so much sense

His ultra ego form is an amplification of his saiyan heritage and pride. He's always fought for himself, while Goku fights for everybody else. His ultra ego form is an acceleration of his saiyan abilities. Meaning after every fight, his race get stronger the closer they come to death. It's a survival instinct. What ultra ego does is shorten that time needed to get stronger after a fight by speeding up his recovery time after eveytime he takes damage. Ultra ego is closer to, and rather an alternate form of the rage transformation super saiyans undergo but without losing his sense of self like with Broli. So really it's the legendary super saiyan rage form, similar to a completely pissed off Hulk. Since the Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets. It's the same for Broli. But what Vegeta managed to do was to enter that form without losing his sense of self bc his ego is so dominant in the way he fights. So he's able to get stronger each time he takes damage like Broli and the Hulk, but doing it without getting completely consumed by rage

I must say.. it's truly amazing to see your improvement in every single video.

Genuinely great video! Very great analysis of Vegeta. Keep up the great work man 👍🏽

I was expecting some fan boying about Ultra Ego going into this. Instead i get a thorough psychological analysis of Vegeta instead. Fantastic video :D

I wonder if he perfects the form he won't lose his new or old values but find the means to harness his true self as he chooses, rather than being confused by instinct and conscience. Being one or the other when he thinks it's the right thing to do.

Such a great video

I really love this video. The way you broke it down was incredible my friend. 🔥🔥🔥🔥

I do think Bardock's recording will also form part of Vegeta learning to reconcile the seeming contradiction he is battling with as Bardock revealed to Vegeta that Saiyans aren't nearly as cold and uncaring as he initially thought. I think part of Vegeta's inability to let go came from a desire to uphold his "Saiyan heritage" but now that he is equipped with a more nuanced understanding of his people he will be better able to embody his Saiyan nature without feeling as if the person he has become is betraying this nature.

Vegeta is a lot like Kratos in the sense they’re both essentially where created as tools for their creators* Both grew up as warriors who where conquering and slaughtering. Both not caring until they both have a turning point where they’re powerless and stricken. Then outcasted and driven mad by the guilt all the slaughtering and inner torment they inflict on themselfs. They both are trying to change and limiting themselfs because they’re subconsciously scared when they let loose that they’ll revert to the *monsters* they once where. Kratos learned to use his unending rage and self hate for the gods and his own nature of being a god to use in bursts. As well as how to calm himself and steel his mind. Vegetas doing the exact same, letting go of the restraints on himself. I don’t see this as “hakai” mode but more so the whole “royal blue form/BlueEvo” evolving itself further. Much like Gohans beast form is essentially gohans potential unleashed form feeding off gohans human brain giving into the primal “reptilian” side of our brains. And for him his “reptilian brain” is that of a saiyans. Ergo humans are already *Animals with a tendency to perform violence in nature and present so* So imagine what a human who’s emotionally way more complex than a saiyan has a emotional breakdown? (Especially knowing emotion is the trigger for saiyan biology to mutate forms) I can see how gohan beast actually makes sense perfectly.

Honestly always thought Ultra Ego was always a GREAT name for a Vegeta Form, given his history

This video go deeper than i was expecting. Great job

I think vegeta tends to be the character people relate to the most. They see themselves in him. Prideful, blunt, but pulls through and does what they need to when the moment calls, maybe a bit of a soft spot in there somewhere

This new form is certainly interesting for Vegeta and suits him really well in how its awoken but my question is how he's going to push through it and yet keep his development. Its clear he does care now he's starting to like having a family and even allowed himself to fall to push towards victory in the Universal survival tournament. Maybe instead of him abandoning one self for the other hes going to find a way to internally fuse or switch between them? Like "In order to save those i care for i must do all it takes even if that means reducing you to dust." I don't know. We still need to learn a lot more about Ultra Ego. Like what exactly it does because I've heard its just another multiplier, its lile instinct where theres no new boost just a state of mind and even that its a boos based on how intune with it you are and the harder the battle gets the stronger you get. We need a canon breakdown or answer from the creator. I can see peoples worries about Vegeta having to basically cast off his development in order to hone this form but maybe this is just the start of him making a new power his own? Like this for example: He gets what he wanted. Hes beaten Kakarot 1 on 1. He has a form that literally thrives in his old desire to be a ideal pridefull saiyan but he doesn't really feel complete. So he starts a journey to actually find a new him and THAT is what awakens a true power within. Ultra Vegeta as it would be.

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I immediately thought of the Freudian ego when I heard Ultra Ego. But Ultra instinct isn't called Ultra Id. Also when do they get access to the Ultra Superego? I am not necessarily saying this interpretation is wrong, but to gatekeep as if people just aren't smart enough to understand it is a bit presumptuous. I understand it. It is still a bit wonky.

This was actually brilliant and very well explained. Awesome video!

the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity. I never knew I like this form a lot more now thanks.

next transformation vegeta is gonna get pink hair and it’ll be called the “Super Badman” transformation and people will be making essays on why that was always brilliantly foreshadowed

I don't like Ultra Ego because since it has been revealed, it has taken 3 straight losses....

Nicely done, couldn't have said it better myself. Great video.

Being told I'm wrong for thinking it sounds goofy is crazy LMAO I get why it has ego in the name I just think "Ultra Ego" (both words together) sound goofy. I like the form!

Y'all think Dragonball is way deeper than it actuall is.

Oof. Super Ego is not "your true self". Not even close. I've read Freud. This is just misinformation. Do your homework better next time. Peace.

This is a great video, I feel I'd have to watch it multiple times to grasp it fully but that's just a 'me' thing, thank you! Will definitely share it when the moment arises.

Wow I'm glad I found this channel amazing content! Love all thy dragon ball universe content

Vegeta is the most complex and interesting character in Dragon Ball. But I liked him better before he became Bulma’s b*tch.

God this channel is so underrated, very thankful i came across it

Amazing video keep up the good work

"Huh, this is a new feeling.. pride in someone else. Unfortunately its overshadowed by all this UNYIELDING RAGE" - TFS capturing the battle between Vegetas Ego and Superego

Very good explanation my man @PlanetLevelDB 👍

Great video. Great voice. Hope to see more from you, my dude. Subscribed.

Amazing break down you just got another subscriber

Love the video. I agree with your perspective. I am a student of psychology and a very big vegeta fan, so I have had some of the same points. Again, very well done!

Just found you. Bro you're channel is fire. Thank you.

Good Sir, this was an amazing piece of work. Cuddos to you 🍻

His rage is his instinct and since he's a prodigy, it makes since with his combat style to gain more energy as he takes damage and learns more as he fights...Vegeta is my guy ✊🏿

people hate on Beast Gohans hair too. When I think its cool and makes the transformation stand out from the rest

This is an incredible video, and a great lesson in psychology. Thanks man!!

Great video!

I love Ultra Ego more than Ultra Instinct. Chaos brings order.

This is incredible… subscribed!

Very well explained. Thank you for this video!

great video subbed

As someone who has never read or watched any Dragonball, yet constantly find myself watching video essays on it, I just want to clarify something. The comparison between the two is more or less the whole "unstoppable force meets immovable object" thing right?

amazing video, hope it blows up

What I have understood is that since destruction requires total void of emotional attachment of an sort to tap into the power of destroyers, ego might be the suitable name for such transformation.

As someone who's into spirituality, meta-phsyical stuff, and the persona/ego/shadow studies and work, i appreciate this video. Also big respect on stating that the ego ain't about being arrogant.

Damn, this was a hell of a breakdown. I'm genuinely impressed. Good shit!

Dope video💯

I learned more about myself with your video, thank you. My son enjoys all your videos.

very insightful....subbed

If it were just having an ego, Goku would also be able to access ultra ego. Giving Cell a sensu bean, giving Frieza the option to go train more or recently with Moro (spoilers omitted). Seems like an over inflated sense of self is just saiyan instinct. Goku accessing ultra ego seems a lot more likely than Vegata accessing ultra Instinct.

This vid is top dam tier. One of the best breakdowns I’ve seen of it and I agree wit ya. Trying to tell friends can be weird when they already see it as corny or bad lol

You have a great sense of people's emotions...great analysis...you are awesome bro!

one thing that doesn't get enough credit, is how differently he treats the 2 trunks future trunks is the sayan that happens to be vegeta's son, the strenght, the hadship and the toughness that being a sayan requires in sayan culture must be his and must be upholded by the last sayan, and that will give him the strenght to triumph as the one and only line of defense. training because of fighting while present trunks it's his son that happens to be a sayan. a child growing up in a happy time the heavy fights created, that only needs to be one of the brick in the wall keeping everyone safe, only has to uphold the needs of being a "good person", training because fighting is good I believe it's a big part of the character that isn't taken into consideration too much, especially lately as the whole zamasu arc really brought a defintive light to it

From Wikipedia In the ego psychology model of the psyche, the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual desires; the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role; and the ego is the organized, realistic agent that mediates between the instinctual desires of the id and the critical super-ego; The super ego is critical and moralizing, it represents the ideal self, unhampered by instincts or impulses. The id is those instincts and impulses, it represents the purely chemical driven animal inside every person. The Id doesn't think, it only feels and reacts. Ultra Instinct clearly represents the ID here, not the super ego, nor an aspect of it. It's not "the other side of the same coin" as ultra ego, it is its diametric opposite. UI avoids taking hits, like an animal that doesn't want to get hurt, there is no greater INSTINCT than SELF-PRESERVATION. Ultra ego rejects the IMPULSE to avoid pain in order to fuel the super ego. The ideal warrior doesn't care if he lives or dies, he fights only to win. The Super Ego doesn't care about the body, the ultra ego is fueled by pain because tanking your oppoent's attacks and striking back shows superiority over that opponent, and Vegeta thrives on being better, in fact he's not satisfied unless he is the best. Ultra instinct suits Goku precisely because the Id doesn't think, and Gou has never had a single thought in his entire life. He lets his body do the work for him, it's all impulse, it's all the autonomic nervous system reacting to stimuli. See an attack, avoid it! Avoid pain because the body must be preserved! The animal can only react to stimuli, the mind thinks and CHOOSES. That's why Ultra Ego is so powerful. Ultra Ego represents the principle of Mind Over Body, after all it is your brain that ultimately decides how much power you can exert, so you can simply DECIDE to be stronger. Ultra instinct is the body, the id, the impulse, head empty, no thoughts. Ultra ego is the mind, the super ego, mind over matter, choose to be stronger. Theoretically, the fighter who can master both and switch between at will or meld them together should be capable of besting any opponent they face. Surpass all limits, transcend mind and body, nothing but the Self, the Ego remains. The true final form our protagonists are after is the Ultra Self.

Damn, dude. Great stuff. Thank you. 👍

Thank you for making this video

I truly.believe youre spot on Wonderful video. You put into words the way ive always thought it but could never explain so well

Beautiful analysis!

I actually really enjoyed this video. Great job

Wonderful explanation 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

Feel like I'm one of the few people who understood it from the get go. Fucking excellent video dude never seen you before but imma take a look around!

Thank you for the video, I always thought of Ego like this, I get why people are frustrated at his losses, but this is one of the few good things that super does and it gets clowned on for it.

You know name is the thing i like the most " Ultra ego " this is super cool to me 😂