Center Consoles in the 20 - 28 Foot Range - what does $50k to $150k Get You? 

Question. do you have a website for your charter business?

Konstantinos Tsoukalas just seeing this - www.justfishinglongisland.com

@@jiggingjerks ευχαριστώ John

What do you think about the Yamaha 255fsh

Thank you! Sadly that 150k Cobia is now 100k or so more…..

Definitely the best value of the boats we saw. Just wish the rigging was a little neater (it’s a quibble, I know). Thanks for the kind words.

So funny story about Steiger......I called them 3 times in November to do a factory tour having NO IDEA that Skinner had done a tour and filmed it. Anyway, they completely ignored my messages lol....I did do a factory tour in Jan with a newer cat manufacturer. I’ll have that vid up by mid March or sooner

And it’s 30k more one year later!

@@jiggingjerks INSANE!!! 😫

Same here - I bought a 2009 new Mayvraft 23 Pilothouse for 39k with trailer and a Honda 225. The worlds gone mad...

Square cube law. Your money will get you less the bigger you go.

No longer made!!!! They make a 22 now with more family creature features (the aft corners are seats). Smallest fishing model with no forward seating is now the 25T. I don’t understand some of these decisions. Regulator made their 26 for 25 plus years and then just a abandoned it even though it was probably their best model ever

Christopher Hamilton I think you’re right - my understanding is the floor space is VERY expensive and I’m sure smaller, low cost builders like those you mentioned don’t think they’ll recoup their investment in a show like this

will jordan haha - my personal boat is a 32 CV with 25 deadrise. I know exactly what you mean.

25 degree is perfect for what ? Going head on into a chop fast ? That’s about it. Good like in swell at rest

@Kanpol Mahtlactliomei the angle of the the center, bottom of the hull. The steeper the angle the better the boat cuts through waves, but the boat does rock more and is less stable at idle speeds or at a stop.

I have a sea pro 2018 239 also .. it’s a great boat ! I have the single Suzuki 300 was a little skeptical at first but that went out the window .. the boat rides great it fishes well and it’s a lot bigger feeling than other 23’ boats

Are you local to Long Island?

No from Delaware, we fish and cruise the Chesapeake bay and Delaware River

I was boat crew in the auxiliary 9years and a guy had a 22 pro line 225 Suzuki. Bullet proof powerful engine. Never let us down on lake Michigan

strix2035 used to own a 256 (now called the 261). I loved that boat

Jigging Jerks yes beautiful! I know the Cobia is a few bucks higher then some others out there, but there fit and finish looks better as well as there layout! And the head very nice for a 24’ boat well 23.7 lol I been watching your videos 👍 very good.

I like the brand for sure and price is right. Was a little disappointed with the wiring on the model we saw. A quibble I know

Jigging Jerks Sportsman does a nice job with inside console and wiring. surprised to see that one.

Boat show special I presume? MSRP on the twin model was 108. I really liked the twin model with the three piece construction and open seating. Very limited choices for 23 foot open boats with three piece construction

Thank you! Sadly, this was filmed in 2020 - expect to pay 25% to 50% more in 2021

@@jiggingjerks not gonna matter. AMC going to the moon and I'm going shopping haha.

You are spot on with dusky and I agree with your other assessments too although I’ve read some QC issues with Bulls Bay. The dusky thing confuses me - why they don’t innovate a little more. You still have to pay to have the aft boxes deleted. Gas tank is a joke. Just not enough capacity for anyone who really doesn’t want to fill up after each trip. They could really be a winner here if they just updated their designs a little more.

@@jiggingjerks I agree with that, their fuel tanks need to be expanded, although I think it is a option tho. They put two 60 gallons inline. I like the Duskys their factory is about 6 miles from me. Now that I'm a older guy, I want more from a boat. That means a little fishing and trolling in the morning and sandbar the rest of the day. Then women need their comforts. The Cobia really fits the ticket.

The 28 Cobia in this vid (CC with twin 200 outboards) was 150k. Your Luhrs new today with diesels is 300k plus

Didn’t see them at the show (to be fair, the MIBS show is huge and just about impossible to see everything in one day) but I am a fan of theirs. Always liked the 239 (think they call it the 244 now). What do you have?

@@jiggingjerks I have a 209fs that I picked up for 44k at the end of 2019. All around great little boat and "affordable" for trade guys like me. Powered with f150 Yamaha it gets around Raritan bay and Shrewsbury rocks great. A bigger boat is always a bigger boat but I'm happy. I usually fish either by myself or with one other chef I work with. Maybe we'll come up and fish with you in fluke season !

I have the 203fs. Mine is a complete let down. They didnt hook up the deck drain hoses and live well. Took 2 years for dealer and factory to revolve bilge a d console area completely filling with water. Note you can't access hoses without cutting fiberglass out so they took motor off and chopped it upto fix. Now i am having corrosion in all electric plugs that where submerged snd boat sits low in port side because of trapped water. They offered to fiberglass metal on starboard side to get it level. Look at your hoses and try figure out how you will replace when they start getting old. Also why are there no seacocks on openings below waterline.

daren leeper sorry to hear. I’ve read about QC issues like this with Robalos but never with Key West. Not that it ever should come to this but I’ve read more and more folks saying new boats should be surveyed. Sounds crazy I know.....but then you hear stories like yours and maybe not so crazy

It’s the Long Island accent :)

Suzuki is better and drinks less gas.

@@GassyBastard Suzuki's are not bad motors but are not as good as yamahas. Cheaper yes but they tend to have corrosion issues sooner or later. Thr newest Mercury motors are good but do have little problems too

The brand is actually very nice and in my opinion the best mid tier brand out there. Prior owner of a 2015 256 and it was a great boat. I have a 32 CV now but I tell anyone who asks, if Cobia built a 30’ plus boat without forward seating, I’d still own the brand

striper8311 how’s Florida quarantine life?

Jigging Jerks it’s funny people in the community are watching us like hawks, it’s ok cause we have stuff to do around the condo anyway, we still have to come home for a while to pack and move everything, we are suppose to be here for good on July 4th buddy

I bought a 20" center console used for $2500, little elbow grease, and maintenance and I've been offered $9000 for it

Value for my dollar

Good boat

I don’t think it’s limited supply, because they are turning them out really fast, in fact if you visit some of the boating websites you will see a lot of QC issues with new boats that I don’t think we’re there before. I attribute that to these guys just pumping out boats at record speed. I think the prices are high because the demand is there. If we ever get into another financial crisis, a real bad one like in 2008/2009, you will see the prices normalize again as the prices will undoubtedly go down. That’s my opinion at least. It’s a catch 22 for sure because you don’t want a financial crisis but I think it will take that to bring prices down.

Jigging Jerks ok thanks for that. I’m in the market for one and have been around boats all my life. I have a family of 3 boys and want them to get into boating. What would your recommendation be for a good walk around or something we can go out for a night or two in.

kevin biondi under 60k new! (Base). Chevy hit it out of the park with the C8

SaffiDigital meh - no personal experience but have read of QC issues online.

Michael H I bought my boat last year, a 25foot, 32 Sea Vee for a fraction of new. It had almost new engines with an eight year warranty. For those that are mechanically handy like your dad, that is a great option!

@@jiggingjerks I loved the boat. He was an absolute meticulous person when it came to projects like that. I guess it helps when you have an air-conditioned workshop with air tools, overhead hoist, and every hand tool you could ever need. I remember him on the first night of sanding and grinding fiberglass. I will never ever do that chit again in shorts and t-shirt 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I said well dad... And he yelled not a damn word from you! 😂

James Rumsey so well though out too.

New or used? I tell you, the MOST underrated CC out there is the Angler 2600. 200 gallon tank and a beast! I used to own an Everglades 29 and they are expensive but I wouldn’t hate to take that boat to the Bahamas - an overbuilt, non-sinkable tank of a boat with 200 gallon tank. I’m also a prior Cobia owner and the Cobia 280 is a sweet boat with (I think) a 189 gallon tank which should give you 400 miles of range with twin 200s

@@jiggingjerks Thanks for the info! Looking into getting new... (or almost new) Been looking at the Everglades and Cobias. WIll check out the Angler (never heard of that one) .. thanks bud!

Eli Anselmi the 2600 is discontinued so if you’re not looking used, scratch them off your list.

@@jiggingjerks looked on their site, they have a 28' .. looks pretty decent! lots to think over and see which way to go.. thanks for the advice!

Eli Anselmi i’m not sure I would buy any of their other models. The 26 was a 24°, super over belts TV that was made for the ocean. Even their bigger models don’t necessarily have that Pedegree. I don’t know what your budget is, but I would put the right of the Everglades near the top of boats I’ve been on. Mind you, I only 32 CV right now and I’m not ashamed to say I think my 29 Everglades Rode just as well as the CV even though 3 feet shorter

I mean it looks really nice but I believe the new Sea Pros are u dear a different ownership (they restarted the brand). Not a lot I know about the new one. Maybe ask the question at www,thehulltruth.com.

Scott Gates were you the gentleman fishing next to us in Shinnecock Bay?

I've been looking at the key wests and sporstman. Have you been in heavy seas with it? I live in Maine and I'm worried about downsizing from my 23 lol

Buster I’ve got a sportsman 23 and used to have a key west 20 and it’s all about trim but both are solid basic layout fun fishing and cruising boats

I’ve had my sportsman in 4s and 8 seconds and it’s rough just pick your days well

Brian yeah - most non fisherman (and many fisherman) like that though. I asked Cobia if they’d consider making an open layout and was told not at this time since they don’t believe there is a demand for it. Sea Hunt offers both versions but told me their Open models (they call them Coffin Box models) only make up 15 percent of their sales.

Jigging Jerks Only time it bothered me was when I was anchoring in rough weather or casting from the bow. Other than that it wasn’t a bad design, I just never used it.

Nice boat. You get a glimpse of it here at beginning of this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IAh_f1vSC60.html

Yes - he’s actually Doc from the Jigging Jerks lol

Tom Brown And you could probably sell that boat for 20 K today as long as the motor was running. Crazy right?

Of course, now trying to figure out the brand! Young? Seavee? Sea Hunter?

@@jiggingjerks Nailed it, Young 27

@@hagenabe7314 even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while:)

@Jigging Jerks Haha, after browsing through your channel, it's not a surprise that you got it right. You know a lot about boats, and your videos are awesome.

@@hagenabe7314 very kind of you to say!

I think you hit the nail on the head with one of the reasons prices are high. BUT, boat building is one of the remaining American manufacturing industries- this is an interesting ying/yang conversation. On the one hand, boats built in the US cost more because American labor costs more. On the other hand, if you had boats manufactured in China or some other place, they would cost less for sure but American jobs will be lost. Not to mention I don’t think you’d get the same quality.....

Jigging Jerks I agree and appreciate that the US owns this market. However, costs could be reduced by them investing some of their gains back into technology in manufacturing. While I appreciate “hand laid” as great sounding marketing, I am also VERY conscious that good boat builders are a dying breed and that something built by the hands of some can be of less quality than efficient machines and automation. On the flip side, I bought my boat used 7-8 years ago and oddly is worth 25% more now over what I paid due to the rising costs of new boats. Something that wealth advisors I’m sure are still scratching their heads to understand...

RedSox Fan on your last point, this is so true!!! Used boats are holding their value is much longer and in many cases have increased in value!

Let's Dig One same with a lot of expensive non foam filled hulls. Invincible, Yellowfin, CV etc will sink if the Hull cracks....Everglades, Whaler and Cape Horn are a few brands where they fill the Hull with foam and you have that safety net...

Jigging Jerks correct, I have a Whaler for that exact reason. I’ll take a smaller boat for that insurance policy. 😂

Let's Dig One yup - I know it’s important to a lot of people. At the end of the day, we all have to feel confident in what we drive

Greg Loor I think that’s more of a high gunwale bay boat. I believe it’s only 16 degrees of dead rise

I really want a sportsman 231 heritage

Reha Erman 98k at the Show. 108k MSRP.

Tank you for the like

I’m going to try and do some videos this Spring and Summer of boats like that (not new obviously)

williamsmark1000 like it a lot. Don’t read many complaints about them and owners seem to love them

thaddeus46 hahaha

depends on the persons finances, what’s the point of long term wealth if you don’t spend some money ?

Shane Soifert this is true.

@@jiggingjerks i just don't understand why everyone is so focused on building long term wealth as their primary goal in life. I'm not saying spend everything you make, I save and invest heavily for retirement, but I also spend. I think having a balance is most important IMHO.

150k for a boat is cheap if you can afford it you can 15yr finance it

Reha Erman I’m not very familiar with Euro models. Can you share a link or a model name with the local price?

@@jiggingjerks Check this out: www.yachtall.com/en/boat/sessa-20-key-largo-205317 . This is a 20 ft boat with 150 Evinrude. It has a cabin, a real toilet (not that porta potty BS!), a windless, fresh water tank, usb port and much more! It is slightly used and its only 19,900 euro!! The new ones can't be more than 40K I would imagine. This is what I am talking about! It is much more versatile than those giant, good for nothing, huge boats that are insanely expensive here in the US. I really want to import one of those to the USA. I am telling you, we are GETTING RIPPED OFF IN THE US BOAT MARKET FOR NO GOOD REASON!!! In the bigger yacht market, there is Jeanneau boats, it's a French boat builders, they make great looking boats for half of the price maybe even less!!!

Reha Erman how much? I couldn’t find it on the website. In the US, a small runabout like that would go for about 30 K. That’s USD. Remember, manufacturing costs are pretty high in the states as boats made here use US labor.

Haha - that’s the Long Island accent - you don’t to hear me say coffee (or cawfee as the case may be)

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@@jiggingjerks The labor cost is very high in Europe too! Maybe even higher than US! What I like about the European made boats is that even in a 20 ft boat, they manage to put a lot: A cabin, a toilet, windless, a small dinning table etc... I just feel like they make better use of the space. I mentioned the price of that boat above. 19,900 euro is roughly $23,500. Relatively speaking, the only boat manufacturer that builds nice boats for less is Tidewater from what I can tell here in the USA.

Reha Erman I have another video called Affordable Bay Boats. Check it out. There were some decent priced boats in that one. Check out the Nauticstar in that video. Unfortunately, boat demand in the US is at an all-time high right now and boat manufacturers are getting away with ridiculous prices as our sellers of used boats. It’s inevitable that there will be a bubble. It will be interesting to have this discussion again if and when that happens

Here’s the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ydYymf04EBM.html

@@jiggingjerks Thanks but I am still not impressed. They are still way too big, bulky and heavy! Edgewater used to make this 15 ft center console which was perfect. It was a deep V, still small enough to take it to the shallow and strong enough to take it offshore for some reef fishing while spending only 20 bucks for gas thanks to its 70 Yamaha 4 stroke engine. But then they stopped making that model and started CS model which is absolutely useless!! What happened to the 15ft boat market? Nobody makes any 15ft other than Key West. Am I the only person who is interested in this segment? Maybe I am!!...

Exactly let someone else take the hit

It's all Fine and good buying used, but when you see that engine with almost 1500 hours you understand why they are cheep.

Ageee 100% - I was only speaking from a $$$ perspective. Someone looking to not break the bank may opt for a sportsman over the reef runner. I agree with you though, if I was looking for that size boat, I would pick the reef runner every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Bad personal experience with one.

SweeNey lol

@@jiggingjerks My mistake. Sorry.

@@mikemckelvey7144 I got a big laugh out of this. All good. In fact, I screenshot the comment and sent it to Sweeney.

@@jiggingjerks Thanks . I enjoy your videos, I just hadn't heard his name before .

Hahahaha, I know. I used to Long Island mispronounce it about 80 percent of the time. I think I'm down to about 15 percent. I try really hard to slow down when I say it

Boats have seriously become like houses. It’s insane, I know......

@@jiggingjerks ....ok

150k is a decent house in many cities. The Boat industry went Full on retard.

Saw that Panga is building a 23 - Sarasota Cat I think is the name. Based on a South African small cat design

Agree. I own a used 32 CV that I shopped around for for months before buying. Before that, in Jan 2016 I bought a new Cobia 256 with trailer and every option for 82.5k.

@@jiggingjerks any idea what the 256 goes for new now only 4 years later?

Fj4LiFe23 they’ve since renamed it the 261 and now the 262. I’m presuming it’s in the 110 to 125 range now....

@@jiggingjerks ive been searching nonstop, feels like a terrible time to buy a boat now haha

There’s always used but not much better unfortunately

Haha - soooon. I tried for tog yesterday and not a sniff. Fluke opens next Monday and I’ll hopefully be back to regular uploads again.