Looking at the LS-10 and E-710 series loudspeakers by Cerwin Vega inside and out. Then I put these two speakers head to head to see which is better or if there is any difference at all.
Great video but didn't care the type of music you were playing. I'm 61 and prefer classic rock for testing speakers. Your generation of music has WAY too much bass. Bass that is badly distorted. Rap and hip hop can actually damage these speakers if the ex - is lower than 4.0
I had the LS-12 for a very long time. Very satisfied with them. Fun to play. Served for many years without the slightest trouble. Greetings from Sweden.
I have the e-315s im actually in the process of restoring. The year on those was 1997. These are the big boys but I noticed the cabinets have no bracing and the wood didnt seem as thick as the older ones and even the ones you are showing seem thicker. They did sound pretty good when I tested them. Almost identical to the Dx-9s I had years ago. Im definitely going to at least add some bracing to them. They did cheap out on the cabinets otherwise seems the drivers and crossovers are still classic Vega style.
Awesome video bro maybe it was surplus stock at the warehouse lol and the E series was made I like the LS series better and the LS-15 is where it’s at low frequency monsters I’ve heard 😉 Keep the vids coming Love from Sydney Australia
My dad bought a set of e-710s new back in the '90s (I think it was actually in '98) they've never blown out and we still use them today. Original grills and everything. They're loud, great speakers. Now you could argue nobody in 2024 needs floor standing speakers and much smaller units can give them a real run for their money in clarity, but they're definitely a high quality model.
I have a pair of the LS-10 speakers. I need to know how to connect them to my tv to use as a home theater. Anyone who has the knowledge to help, it would be greatly appreciated. I am not familiar with these kinds of speakers at all.
Yeah it's not even an issue I have with them being made in China but they just aren't built to do what the vintage ones do. I mean take the xls215 for example. You have some dual 15 inch three way monsters that are only 95.3dB efficient and only 36Hz to 20kHz frequency range! That's similar specs to a VS-100 single 10 inch 3 way. I get it they are loud when fed a lot of power but they just don't dig down deep like many of the good old fashion Vega's do.
@@SavingVegas I guess I need to hold on to my Vs 120s then!!! I’m curious, were the CLSC215 made in China? Or maybe the better question is what do you think about them?
The switching on the e710s when I bought mine new it said to turn the switches down in a room with a lot of reflective surfaces and up in a carpeted well damped room
Also the tweeters do have protection that’s what that orange ceramic resistor that’s mounted side ways on one crossover is, once it gets to the temperature it’s rated at then causing open circuit inside if it and the tweeter goes off and when the ceramic orange resistor cools down by turn gain/volume down the tweeter comes back on again only way to check is to see how much the cv models can handle b4 the resistor goes open circuit again😉 Most of the CV models have tweeter protection it’s just as the model get bigger so does the orange resistor
@@THEKINGS001 funny we are having this conversation at the same time I am opening up my 18" bass bins and what do I find? Inline with the positive lead is the same thing only larger. Very cool! Thanks for the info. Man I am loving making these videos, so much to show and tell and so much to learn. I'm glad you enjoyed the vids and thanks again for filling in the blanks 👍
I’m pretty sure the LS came right after the VS. I’m confused on the E series. Was it possibly in-between the AT and VS? If not then I say it was. VS,LS,ES
@@SavingVegas I remember the VE coming out after the LS. This is what I thought. Re,VS,LS,VE.SL. I have no idea about the E series. That’s why I thought it was after the AT. But judging by the way they are built that dosent make sense. My guess would be the R seres was like you say after the LS but before the VE. So. LS,R,VE.
I'm not 100% sure but i think there was a E-3series before ls series. And then the e-7series after the ls. I was a teanager in that time and saved up money to buy LS12 but when i got enough money there was a new series. The E-712. So that is what i have now. I love these speakers. But here in norway we have a special series the Cerwin Vega DC series. Its a Scandinavian thing with Dali midrange and Vega woofers. They are really great sounding. They come in 10" 12" 15" dual 15" and the mighty 1215😀
No disrespect but i love cerwin vega speakers always have always will but this is making me want stick with my klipsch speakers at this point, especially knowing tbeir not built in the USA, i havent found a speaker that hit harder in bass than a cerwin vega AT-15 speakers!, if i could find a really nice pair id try to buy or trade for them! Love your video too, thank you👊😎
I had the E712 back in the 90s. Now I have the current small bookshelf model, the SL5M, which of course don't play as loud or go as low, but they are still pure magic, with amazing sound quality for such a small and inexpensive speaker, with great natural and realistic tonal balance, dynamics, detail, and three dimensional imaging, and sound better than more expensive bookshelf models I've owned from B&W, Monitor Audio, Tannoy, KEF, Wharedale, Celestion, Polk, Paradigm, and PSB. I haven't heard the larger SL12s and others, but the 5s are a steal, and are real little gems.
I have SL15s. I really like them. Lots of power and a very clean sound all the way up the volume. Drivers are steel, but I can't hear it. LOL. Awesome set of speakers for around $1000. With a good amp they really do a good job. My wife saw the SL5M and wants them to replace our Polk t15 in the bedroom.
@@ericnortan9012I got a set of SL-15s. Mine came with no dampening material inside so I literally stuffed a couch cushion inside each one. Made it less boomy and increased the low end.
@@frankrizzo2724 Ya, I damped mine too. I found if you pull them off the wall a couple feet the bass cleans up nicely. Also, I elevated them about 6" to bring the tweets more on axis with my ears in my chair. That being said, I like their sound with no mods, but the mods definitely were a plus.
@@frankrizzo2724 I have a NAD 216 thx, very old, but decent power and very clean sound worked nice with them, but I wanted more power so I bought a Crown XLI2500. Not hifi, but I think a good match for those speakers. It's AB, 500wpc at 8ohms, 33db gain. I was suprised how good it sounds for a pro amp, and it was only about $600 at the time. I also have an Onkyo txrz820 receiver, it's powerful on 2 channel and drives them fine. Though they are pretty sensitive and about anything will play them, I think they definitely shine with a powerful high current amp. I have all the headroom in the world and can go as loud as I can stand with no distortion. I do have a cutoff for max volume about 75% in case someone gets stupid. I've been using the crown for about 3 or 4 years now, no complaints, I think I will have to spend a considerable amount of cash to upgrade with a noticeable difference.
The E series came before the LS. The E series originally had model numbers like E310, E312, and E315's. I believe those came out in the early 90's and then the E710's,712's and 715s came out around 96 or 97. I bought a pair of E712's in early 1999 and shortly after I remember the LS's came out and I also bought a pair of LS12's. Still own both pair but mainly only use the XLS12s (made in china) that I bought when those came out because they are actually better sounding than either of the E712 or LS 12 series.
The E and LS series were the cheapest of the original CV line. Not saying they were bad, they still had great sensitivity ratings and bass hits hard as you would know having the 12 inch models. They can really benefit from a little cabinet bracing and upgrading some xover parts.
One of my LS-10's woofer stopped working, and that has sent me all across the internet looking for info as to how to replace it. The only info legible on the back of the woofer is SEP 1999, so that lines up with what is in your video. Are you aware of anywhere that i could source a replacement? Are there non OEM replacements that would work? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Sometimes they come up for sale but that could also take a long time. Normally I would just recone it. In other words you would pull the entire speaker apart so you are left with just the basket and magnet. From there you would order a recone kit for it and rebuild it. This does involve some soldering and a bit of skill or just a lot of patience. There are some great tutorial videos of this on youtube. Simply Speakers is a company that sells these kits and they also come with great instructions as well. There are also other companies that sell parts as well.
Hey man didn’t get ur name at any point. I’m Rob so have E-310, E-710, VS -120 and VS-150 and XLS-15 so starting to refoam them all so i might be asking a lot of questions lol. Think i’ll be alright for the most part from watching most of ur video. So can i put a round dust cap on the 712 or should i leave the design alone, i kinda like the round dust cap
Really up to you what you want to do. The dome style dust caps to me look better than the inverted ones but they are your speakers so do what you think is better.
I have a pair of E-710s and the woofer is different than what you have in the video also my cabinets are built with better insulation and bracing.. strange how much they differ.
Seems like a bit much but prices on a lot of Cerwin Vega stuff seem to be all over the map. I sold a set of mint and I mean mint D-3's for $350CAN and in my opinion they are a better quality speaker than the LS-10.
I myself prefer the VS-100. As you mentioned these models have a higher power rating of 200 watts but I know for a fact the VS-100s will take 200 watts no problem. When it comes to sound I think the 100s outdo the E710 and LS10 in the low end and at higher volume levels the mid and highs are a little less harsh. That could be a bit bias because the VS series is one of my favorite models of CVs.
@@SavingVegas ya, I really like them. I would be interested in getting a set of 150s. You have inspired me, I may start saving some Vega's. I already have dipped my toes in it. I have a pair of V12s subs that are a bit beat up that want to re- finnish. Then I will start shopping around for some real classics. As an electrician I am very comfortable dealing with the crossovers etc. But re-foaming and messing with the drivers is a whole different game. My carpentry is hit and miss. Lol. I have done some speaker covering so have a grasp on what that entails. Seems like a good thing to do, like you i want to give them a new life.
@@SavingVegas I have a set of VS100 that I built boxes for. That's why I ask. I am actually looking for proper boxes in good shape, but the ones I built are very close to being correct but I just went off of the measurements I found on their ad. They still sound good.
👍 thumbs up on your review with Vegas! I actually just found a pair of E710 today at the Goodwill! I almost passed because I'm into 15" or 18'" Vegas. But I pulled the trigger, they were priced right. Tested them, was surprised at what they do for their size. They will be in my set up for home Cinema. Using them for mids/highs. 😎
I was impressed by both of these smaller CVs. The start of the cheaper build quality but overall still a great sounding speaker that I feel get overlooked by most. I can hopefully come across some LS-15s or E715s to compare with D9s or VS150s.
@@SavingVegas one thing I forgot to mention, I also use Equalizers in my set up, no speaker sounds good all on there own, you have to adjust sound to your liking. Vegas sound that much better when EQ'd, love it loud and hard, boom 💥 😎 Vegas!
I usually try to run things flat. Depends on the equipment sometimes you need to adjust to your liking. With my VS120s running off my Adcom GTP-500 and GFA-555 I have bass and treble centered and it sounds great!
@@SavingVegas Hey whatever sounds good to your ears with your equipment!! Others give CV a bad review because they either don't have the right av receiver or amp / pre controller to feed them enough juice & they never mention anything about trying to EQ before leaving negative reviews. I fell in love with mine and anything I throw at them they handle with ease, Gospel, Blues, Rock, Rap, Jazz, Reggae, Symphony, CD's & Vinyl all get tuned differently per use. I can't stand mp3 on them, it's a stripped down mix. Anyways, keep it up with your Cerwin Vega Video reviews, I enjoyed watching it 👍, God bless! Awesome that you replied!
Yes lots of people underpowing their speakers. Then you mention the word clipping and they go huh? Lol. Nothing wrong with powering CVs with 20, 40, 60 watts and so on as long as you know the limits of your amp. I'm glad you enjoy the content, I try to keep it coming as much as I can.
So you are measuring resistance which is different. They rate them as 8 ohm nominal impedance, impedance changes with depending on the frequency being played. So a nominal impedance of 8 ohms can be considered the average load the amplifier will see from 20Hz to 20kHz.
@@SavingVegas I know what tour saying, I understand impedance rise, it's just I've never seen any other speaker rate their speakers that far off of what it reads at the terminal. It just seems strange to me. I know my reciever gets alot hotter than it did with other "8 ohm" speakers. On the older big box speakers I believe they were labeled as 4 ohm on the box if I'm not mistaken. I would consider that a 4 ohm load. My reciever does too. It's 4 ohm stable but I can fry eggs on it. 😂. Anyway you have good videos and a cool channel. By the way what does the E and the 7 stand for in E-715? Do you or anyone else know? I'd like to know what all the prefixes of CV speakers stood for, like I'm assuming D series stood for digital. It would make an interesting topic of a video possibly.
The E715 woofer (15W4) has a 4 ohm voice coil. I'm not sure why it is rated at 8 ohms. I have not seen an impedance graph for that speaker but I do know that most 8 ohm speakers will usually measure 4.5 to 6.5 ohms and 4 ohm speakers sometime 2.5 to 3.5.
