*(ARCADE HAS DIED)* "It's Hegelian Dialectics, not personal animosity." _(said the Courier while showing the middle finger to blown away corpse of good doctor as the last F you goodbye for no good reason as intended)_
That's one of his dumbest lines. He's literally just spouting nonsense teleology. However, he's so ill-educated on Rome, positing this nonsensical Caesarist mythic history in it's stead, that he uses Hegel instead of Aristotle to make the teleological argument. This line reveals what a half-assed pseudo-intellectual he really is. He doesn't really know about Rome. He knows some myth that idiot 20th century authoritarians claimed about Rome. That's why he's fixated on Julius and "crossing the Rubicon," instead of even looking at Augustus, who actually presided over the Pax Romana. I'm surprised his dumbass isn't wearing red shoes.
I don't think it's a moral argument I feel it's more akin to "the wasteland made them". Not as in empathy but as in understanding the situations that lead them to that mental place are crazier
Ironic that the Rome he admired was more similar to the NCR with the "in-fighting and corruption", and he was more similar to the barbarians invading Rome
@@Hell_O7 Most factions yeah Enclave, NCR, BOS, The Legion, Master's Army, a bunch more I probably can't think of. Only ones I can think of that are not are House (sorta), Kings, and Followers.
@@MyLittleRayMan-nm2gm House doesn't have any infighting because he's the only one fighting for himself besides the Courier depending on the path they take. Once he dies there's no more of his faction left because it was all him.
Of course we know what they went through, he was a nerd larper and decided "Wouldn't it be cool if I remade Rome?" And then this happened. I mean, both the idea of NCR and The legion died out because of the way they were built.
@@anton6686 I said Rome not the fucking legion. They died out because they were dependent on other people doing their jobs for them, aka slavery. Once they rebelled, they were dealt a massive blow, and couldn't sustain themselves. Hell, the Romans had constant infighting.
@@skywardkillzone Yes they did. In fact, they were very important. All the slaves that you have trained to fight to the death for your entertainment suddenly turn against you, knowing they have nothing to lose. And that's not even all of it, I'm pretty sure.
I wish he would be yapping 10 times more and even send the Courier letters with pages-long quotes from hegelian books, and I wish he had his own radio station that would eventually become the most popular one in the Mojave, so that each and every NPC would sooner or later begin speaking by only quoting mah boi cayzer
"In Rome, I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana." Yeah... because the *ROMANS* had *SUCH* a good track record for not fracturing, or splintering, or destroying itself... _What a load of Brahmin Shit indeed._
Not only that but the Romans didn't assimilate cultures into being Roman, they may have tried but in the end, most parts of the empire were as culturally, religiously and ethnically distinct as they were before conquest. The only thing I can think of is the language, as most of Europe have a Latin based dialogue but this took years to take over and even then each Latin language has unique differences to one another. Of course I don't really mind, Caesar was reading about the Romans after a nuclear war, goodness knows what sources he had access to. Interestingly, in the HOIV mod Old World Blues, when Caesar dies, the legion splits into civil war much like in history. If I recall correctly: between Lanius and Vulpes. This is actually really optimistic because when leaders like Alexander and Chingis Khan died, their empires fractured between many lines.
@@KaaxItzamno, not necessarily Lanius and Vulpes only. In OWB, it can be any combination of Aurelius' (or whatever the name of the head of Praetorian Guard was), Hades' (some sort of a ghoul-mutant non-canon branch of the legion), Malpais Legate's, Vulpes', Lanius' Legions. Maybe a few more too, I don't really remember. But Lanius' Cohort starts out independent/as a puppet of Caesar's Legion, so there is a chance for him to get defeated early or go free and turn its weapons on Caesar, instead of being annexed back and joining the kerfufle when it happens.
@@KaaxItzamI don't see any 'Gauls' around here these days. And the Latin languages all emanated from a single root in vulgar Latin and drifted apart over many centuries.
@kingjules8744 It hardly ends there. He's imitating Julius Caesar, who did *not* preside over the Pax Romana. After Julius, there was a period of in-fighting and strife, because he was so hated that his own people killed his ass. It was Augustus who created the Pax Romana, but I guess Augustus deciding to at least honor the ideals of Republicanism in spirit wasn't quite what this asshole was looking for. This "Caesar" is just some roving group of bandits who seem incapable of establishing meaningful permanent infrastructure, very much unlike the Romans and Augustus. This "Caesar" is more like the Huns than the Romans.
Imagine if canada, or whats left of it, actually ended up getting conquered by a charismatic leader who based his idology on alexander the great's, so they use a pseudo-greek aesthetic
I basically did the first few medicine checks and eventually when he was asking for me to fix the autodoc suggested Arcade as Caesars slave instead. Maybe you can do it by other methods in that dialogue tree. I dunno but basically when he’s having headaches and needs the op, that’s the time you can do it
It's hard to do since you can't have a positive relationship with the Legion when it happens, meaning you can't even be Accepted, which requires 15 points of positive reputation. This means basically no sidequesting for the Legion, because as part of Caesar's main quest, you are REQUIRED to get 12 points of reputation from Caesar as you leave the Securitron Vault, since even if you DON'T destroy it, he THINKS you did, and will give you 12 points of reputation. This basically means you can't: - Complete We Are Legion - Do any of the quests (repeatable or not) in Cottonwood Cove - Fight in the Arena (even Benny) - Tear apart Sergeant Teddy in front of the little girl in the Fort - Improve the Healing Powder crafting for that slave in the Fort Or basically ANY Legion Quest other than the main quest. Even REACTING POSITIVELY to the Legion in Cold, Cold Heart could push you over the threshold if you aren't careful. All this, just to sell Arcade to Caesar.
@@Tinkatube I didn’t have this required kek outcome. I was accepted by the Legion. What I did was I had Arcade practically perma dumped outside Caesars tent. I don’t remember any dialogue with Arcade deciding to leave. If that’s the issue. I never triggered him wanting to. I also didn’t do his questline and it worked out just fine for me. Never got the dialogue of it outside of Arcade being annoyed I went to the fort.
Rome started loosing it's ability to integrate other cultures the moment it ceased being a republic. It had also benefitted from those cultures already Romanized being historically related, like the Greeks (and the Diadochi kimgdoms) The further Rome went, the less effective it was. Coupled with the rich becoming ever more a bloated and uncontributive class and Rome could no longer afford to maintain it's overextended condition. Something had to be done, but instead Rome did nothing and it's ruling class insisted on holding on to nearly everything. All this to say, I never found Caesar particularly convincing. Vague gesturing at Hegel doesn't build a lasting state, nor does rampant, human wave militarism. I'd honestly be at my most dissapointed with Bethesda if the legion wasn't canonically beaten and shattered.
Agreed. He's completely full of shit, and it's amazing to me that anyone ever found his argument compelling. The best things one can really say for the Legion are (a) their roads are supposedly pretty safe for merchants (unless you'd like to be safe from the horrific and brutal Legion itself), and (b) they seem to be pretty good at mass murder, which one would hope they'd be since they're basically just a giant raider army without any sign of a functioning nation attached to it.
Wrong. Rome stopped integrating barbarian cultures because it chose to stop, not because they were incapable of doing so. The Empire fell precisely because it stopped conquering and stopped caring about who entered their borders. That's when it became weak. It's not that it went too far. It relied on constant expansion. Yes, it became overextended, but if the ruling class had recognized the need for continued integration of tribes, it could have transitioned to a managerial state and continued to exist, despite ceasing its expansion, which is exactly what the East did. "Doesn't build a lasting state" what are you on? The Empire lasted nearly 500 years, and if you count the Byzantine Empire (which I would), it lasted almost another 1000 years after that!
And yes, historically related cultures integrated more easily. All of the peoples the Legion conquers in fallout are American. They have that shared history, language, culture etc despite their local differentiations since the great war. So what's your point?
Yes. Originally the word 'tyrant' meant someone who came to power illegally. But they could still be benevolent autocrats once they were in control. Peisistratos of Athens is a good example of this. He came to power through a coup, and thus was a tyrant, but his rule was fairly benign and beneficial to Athens.
Yes, actually, that field gets a little complicated, but basically (from what i understand) , a good dictator/tyrant would maintain control over their people but at the same time keep them happy , a bad dictatorship would be like North Korea where people are starving and dying, a good one would provide things like food, health care, protection, etc
@@PatrickRatmanI find that one so lame just because it's a basic replacer instead of implementing it to where it changes the animation based on your skill.
@@nagger8216 except it does change the animation based on your skill. you can change it so it transitions over based on your guns skill (to one handing pistols instead of two) and also so you can't fan the hammer until you both have enough guns skill and have the "Cowboy" perk. Edit: found it, its Cowboy Fanning and Spinning Weapons (kNVSE) - ESPless on the nexus
Arcade is the kind of guy you hang out with because he's got cool friends. I look forward to "For Auld Lang Syne"'s completion so I don't have to hear his bitching anymore
