Ivore Surkuri First it's not relevant. Steve Blum already had such reception in this industry since long ago. Then if you mean replacing the Paul's bluntly evil narration with Steve's more conspiring and varied version is 'fucking up', well I'll welcome more of such fuckups.
Seriously I don't know why Chaos Commanders don't see this sort of thing coming more often. I love how Araghast apparnetly is even SURPRISED and OUTRAGED that the "The Traitor Legions" have traitors.
@@Pandemonium-zp2fg That’s why it’s called CHAOS. I bet the chaos gods themselves didn’t care so much about their subjects because their anger, frustration and shit were the things that feeds them and run their business.
@@TheHandofDestiny Even the word bearers are normally adherents to their warhost organization outside of religious spats. However Eliphas is a particularly major cock mongrel.
At the end of the Horus Heresy, a lot of the Chaos legions become roving warbands and cults because it was no longer loyalty and brotherhood keeping them together, it was instead service to the chaos gods and gaining power and favor through them. Some Chaos Legions managed to keep the rigid command structure that bound them together but most did not. The Black Legion was more or less founded with keeping that sense of brotherhood, loyalty, and structure even in service of Chaos to become an effective fighting force again.
That's basically the story of the Decepticons in Transformers Animated and Transformers Prime: Starscream almost manages to kill Megatron and take his placd, but then he recovers and either kills Starscream outright or tortures him for a while.
As far as commander-type figures go, Araghast is pretty respectable, honestly. You can tell that he genuinely loves to battle, as even if he's got the insurance of the portal, there's really no reason for him to continuously use himself as bait. Pretty sure he's doing it out of the sheer Khornate urge to get down and dirty, while still keeping an overall strategic objective in mind. Plus, he's evidently very powerful on his own, to be able to put up the kind of fight that he does. He definitely earned his lordship, even if arrogance in his overestimation of his control over his subordinates ultimately costs him his life. As is thematic for chaos, really.
3:45 - 4:15 Araghast: Eliphas! Eliphas: Yes, my lord? Araghast: Open a portal... Eliphas: No. I think not. A change in leadership is in order... (Laughter) Araghast: Eliphas! You treasonous dog! NO!!!
They should have let Araghast escape after Eliphas had betrayed him. Imagine Araghast coming back to the Black Legion's camp fuming with rage to get his hands on Eliphas.
BountyFlamor He's a priority target for the Blood Ravens to eliminate in order to shake off Black Legion influence, and instead, Eliphas takes his place as a threat more bigger though not as big as Ulkair.
It would make an awesome side objective, to let Aragast live, in order to create civil war in black legion, weakening them. Making the last mission easier. Doing that should also give some corruption
Boreale would have ended it on their first encounter by DEEP STRIKING Araghast with METAL BOXES. Araghast would have had to be BOLD AND FOOLISH to challenge the true son of the Emperor.
I recently replayed the original dawn of war recently, and I just realized how closely the fight resembles the fight with Bale. I mean really, Our favorite bloodthirsty chaos lord of the game gets betrayed by his soft voiced sorcerer assistant.
That's actually quite normal. When a Chaos Lord shows weakness, if he falters rather than die for his gods, his ambitious second would turn on him and take over as the leader.
Probably the happiest time when RELIC announce Chaos Rising for the Dawn of War 2. I always love when Righteous Marine versus against Traitor Marine. Not to mention you get to test two side of the Space Marine in the Skirmish mode.
+Fr0st1989 Very true. Eliphas was cool because he was this well-spoken, calm, witty chaos lord who seemed to genuinely believe that Chaos was right. Like some kind of evil priest. The new Eliphas is just boring.
+Ayano Sugiura To be fair, he did spend quite a bit of time back in the Basilica of Torment, and is busily working to get his groove back. As poor, unfortunate Araghast found out when the Inheritor decided to stop playing nice.
+Nehfarius In Dark Crusade, he just emerged from the Basilica, in Chaos Rising, he was bought by Abbadon and made his bitch. The shock of having to kiss Failbaddon the Armless butt would be sufficient to change one's personality thou.
Slaaneshi Rubric Marine That too, but at least Eliphas starts getting his own back in Retribution. I wonder what he's going to call his warband...or even if he rejoins with the Word Bearers!
It's taken me so long to realise why Avitus is so up in arms about coming on this mission specifically, because if he acts all zealous about killing the big bad of the Black Legion within the Sector, it removes some suspicion about him being the traitor (canonically anyway)
"Rejoice brothers, your slavery to the false emperor, ends today." This coming from a Khorne worshiper, and cowardly one at that. The loyal Space Marines have no need for dark powers, as they have allies they can actually count on. To be surprised at about Eliphas leaving you Araghast, it is common practice amongst Chaos to leave your superior to die, and your own god loathes those who run from battle.
Avitus’s disgust at the Black Legion seems as genuine as any other so him betraying the chapter and giving out orders feels so out of character. Had he just been a traitor without leading anyone it would have been better.
Convenient. Horus: Abaddon, open a portal! Abaddon: plot hacks my lord! ALSO: Araghast: Eliphas open a portal. Eliphas: Ok my lord. *click, click, click* Darn Windows Vista *click-click-click* Arhm .... ho ... hold one moment longer my lord.
Araghast was definitely one of the easier bosses because unlike most bosses (Including original Dawn of war 2 campaign) he could be pinned and knocked flying all over the place by heavy weapons. Up until he used the red power he could barely scratch my commander. Normally I'd have to get my commander to do a tactful withdrawal to recover health but in this case I barely had to do anything; just keep hitting him.
@Punisher4bmw "In this dark place, in this . . . dark hour. We will stand against the enemies of the Emperor and they will know that not even here on this . . . desecrated, infernal rock will we suffer the existence of the heretic. Not now, not ever" - Gabriel Angelos
- I'm more of an Ultramarine Captain, but you know. :p I find the best Dawn of War to be the first one, despite its many flawed expansions. First because of the wider selection of units, secondly because of the wider selection of factions, and lastly and almost most important, because of the possibility to play with mods. Codex in particular makes it worth the while. I have, however, nothing but respect for DoW II even though it's just not the same thing.
If i have to be honest Eliphas aint the type of guy who should lead the black legion because he fears when abaddon speaks to him on the judgement of carrion(dw2 retribution) and araghast survived dawn of war 2 retribution would probably be interesting
Imagine he just say to eliphas You treasonous dog! You dare try to betray me foolish coward If you were to betray me BETRAY ME IN A BATTLE OF BLOODSHED!!
Imagine he met eliphas again He will probably say You dare betray me so cowardly You foolish dog If you are to betray me BETRAY ME IN A BATTLE OF BLOODSHED
