Charging FAIL & GREAT Surprise When We Compare The Model Y & Mach-E On The World’s Toughest EV Test! 

Great video! Very interesting real world test!

The loser in this race was.......... ..... Electrify America

Every video that involves electrify america always ends the same

I think I know why the model y charging rate was low. They did not pre-heat the battery for the supercharging. When you put the supercharger location, the battery preheats for the charging.

"Navigate to charger" helps heat the battery and get charging speed up

Would be so great if Circle K America could install fast chargers at all their gas stations like they do in Norway and be just as reliable and easy to use as they are there.

You have to use the navigation to get the Model Y to precondition the battery for supercharging. Just select a Tesla Supercharger in the nav and it will know to precondition the battery within an estimation of your arrival to the Supercharger.

amazing how well Tesla really did make that supercharger network. quiet, fast and seamless

The charging structure is everything!! GREAT POINT!!!! Tesla is the only EV that makes sense because of this fact.

Another nice video. The lack of charging infrastructure is the one big thing that worries me. I wanted to get the Mach e gt, but I might wait a while to see if that gets any better.

They keep saying Mach-E as one word. Sounds like maki. Now I want sushi

Agree with Roman. The only charging infrastructure that makes sense right now is Tesla.

The Mach-E is really growing on me.

@18:30. The best comparison wouldn't be to compare guess-o-meter miles used or even what metric they used in the video which is percent of battery pack. The best an most clear comparison is to show how much energy they each used total in kWhs or at least miles/kWh.

so the question is now, would you rather put up with a not so well developed charging network or put up with a slightly not so good build quality.

Great video! A tie is a great result for Ford. To compete with the best on Ford's first, serious effort is outstanding.

You guys need to do a trip to the Swiss Bernese Alps, with your Bernese Mountain Dog!

Great video, surprised I would probably go with the Ford simply due to cost and build quality. I mean I am a Ford fan but Tesla has always been a dream.

Tommy, back the Mach-E into the garage to see how long it takes Ford to fix it!

I own a model Y. For the most part I love it. I wish it had a normal dashboard. Ford did a really nice job for their first attempt at an electric car. I hope they do well with it.

I really think you guys need to do top off to top off KWh/mile sorta thing at the end of these based on the charger KWh rather than going by what the cars are saying on these. Generally also sorta seemed maybe the ford was ahead on energy use until regen...but then ford didn't have snow tires for regen and there were complaints about ABS braking stopping the regen on the snow. So this seems to have left more questions than answers if one wants to know how they really stack up on efficiency if one is a bit suspect of the EPA test cycle and methods from each manufacturer.

I love Colorado. What beautiful scenery!

This was a great realistic review. Thanks for creating this

Electrify America needs to allow manufacturers to build payment options into the car so you can just plug and go like Tesla. It would probably help mitigate some of the problems with the current chargers.

What was the total kWh used for the two vehicles on the trip? What percentage of their EPA range did they achieve when adjusting for how many miles were actually driven? Obviously cold weather and grade are some of the worst case conditions for EV range but I would like to know how close their actual range would have been if the mach e had the bigger battery pack.

Cold batteries have reduced charging protection built in to help reduce battery degradation over time. Had you used autopilot to navigate to the Tesla supercharger, the car would automatically precondition the battery and the charge rate would have trippled. Or you can turn it on manually.takes about a half hour when really cold to fully warm up/precondition and get max rate.

What an absolutely beautiful countryside you guys have! As a Los Angelino, I never really get to see vista like that. So glad to see that the Mach-E is shaping up to the a real competitor to Tesla. Ford just needs to kick Electrify America in the butt to get their chargers to work better, and be more plentiful, and the Mach-E will be an unqualified hit!

Forbes just linked this video in their article about the Model Y (new range) vs. Model 3 vs. Mach-E! Legit.

Yep -- couldn't agree more. That charging network makes a *huge* difference. You can *not* reasonably expect to drive a Mach E across the country, whereas you *can* do it in a Tesla. My Uncle did it in his Model S when he moved from New Hampshire to California -- and that was FIVE YEARS AGO. The charging network has only gotten better since then! But the Mach E is a better car, IMHO, if you don't count the charging network. Ford is a better company, with better build-quality, far better parts-suppliers, more authorized service centers, etc., etc. That makes a huge difference to me, and if it were my money, I'd be buying the Ford. And I'd never drive it cross-country. I'd rent something for a long trip, if I had to.

When I need to charge I always use superchargers. I only plug into other chargers if they just 'happen to be there' at a parking lot. Non supercharger chargers are never part of trip plan.

"there's never been a Mustang with 5 doors" I guess that's true... But there was the 80s "Ford tempo" Mustang. The MachE is better than that.... That's for sure.

I drive a Bolt and my success rate (defined by able to charge on the first try) at EA stations is 50%. Yeah, I've always found one that worked so I've never been stranded, but still... Also, a cold battery charges much slower than a warm battery. Even though you drove for awhile, it doesn't mean the battery warmed up. Tesla will warm the batter as you near a supercharger if you're navigating to that supercharger.

The Loveland Pass route is awesome. Worth taking the detour off I70 if time (and weather) permits.

This was a super good video - shows the real world application and differences between the cars, and also shows the relative strengths and weakness with charging infrastructure. Kind of backs up Tommy's video of a year or two ago on his sampling of various charging providers around the Boulder area. I support Roman's statement on Tesla's charging stations and that will be a huge consideration for me should I decide to go this route. Thanks guys. Keep up the great work. Now - let's take these two on a long distance vacation cross-country! Come visit us in San Diego!

Nice video. I love Roman’s laugh when he dusts the competition, son or anyone else

V3 Superchargers do NOT share power such as the one you are at. Plus, you would have charged faster if you had routed to that charger and preconditioned the battery.

Isn't it a little unfair to compare one car to another that costs 50% more? ($42,500 vs 63,000.)

13:28 that lift off / regen braking engaging the ABS.... isn't what caused Richard Hammond to wreck in the Rimac?

I’m ready to see what the GT version can do.

Well except for those of us who live somewhere Tesla won’t go. Their charging and support network still leaves anyone who lives away from major highways out in the cold. Nearest Tesla dealership and charger are an hour and a half and an hour away, respectively. And Tesla won’t come to where I live if I buy one and have any kind of problem. No loaner, either. So it’ll be a while before I can chance it. It would have to be the Mach-e for me, for now, and I suspect for many other folks. Great video, though. It would be great if you could do more matchups with some of the new up and coming ‘21 electric suvs.

I think you should have mentioned repair/dealer network as well.

So...what was the GREAT surprise? Did I miss something?

hmmm, we have seen tests of the tesla in winterland norway and the trick is the pre heating of the tesla battery with adding the supercharger station in the navigation it will be happen automatically and u should get nearly full power from the beginning. I think this trick is not possible with the Mustang at all! Sof if you plan to go on a long trip their is clearly no competitor to the tesla. btw this known problem of cold batteries is not a problem of the charging station, except for faulty ones, we have seen some charging station in norwy that have problem with the temperature sensor in the connector leading to wrong information and reduced power, in this case it helps to put the connector for some time on your heated seat and sit yourself on it :)

The tax credit is great, but you need to do a nation wide dealer mark up average.

Mustang 2 back in the 80's had a hatchback.

My favorite part was the dramatic charging scene lol ⚡️

Great video. I’m loving my 2018 Model 3; easily the best car I’ve ever owned. Nice to see more EV options now.

I noticed the acceleration test, he pressed on the brakes on the Mach E for a split second, so of course gave the advantage to the Tesla. I still say they are Tesla bias, especially the father. Would definitely take the Mach E over Tesla anytime of the day

The car geekiness of you both is fun to watch, not very often yiu see father and son just have same amount of passion for the same thing 👍🏼wish I'll have that bond when my son grows up 👍🏼

You can pre warm the battery, which is what most people would do in a cold climate. It increases the range a lot!

14:59 , he says go but the brakes are applied on the Mach-e making it look even slower then the Model Y.

Jesus, blaze is getting massive!!

So the Tesla trip computer looks at elevation, temperature, winds(if available), driving style from the last 30miles or so and posted speed. The Ford system only looks at posted speed and driving style from the last 30 miles or so. Just FYI.

Please use the actual kWh to measure power usage and not the percentage of the battery since each is measured differently.

“thErE ArE nO qUaliTy ContrOl IsSueS” -Tesla owners 1 min. Into video... Tesla’s hatchback gets stuck upon opening 😂

Please use the right lane

Great videos as always :) Recording the 'received' voice of the walky talkies is a lot harder to hear. Keep up the great work!

Huh? GVWR (what's printed in the door) is not the same as curb weight. Really guys?

If you programmed the nav to the supercharger it would have pre-conditioned the battery to accept a faster charge, no?

What about the interior quality? What about fit n finish?

Great review. But i have no need to do road trips in my EV. It a daily driver and settled nicely into its EV charger every night or once a week.... If i want to a roadtrip, i have a good old fashioned combustion engine for that.

How about charging cost guys? Are you aware of it ? To fully charge TESLA model Y cost me $12, Ford Mach-e will be $26. That's more than double. Mach-e is very inefficient car.

Love the self proclaimed, “world toughest” claim.

Ok a standard range Mustang verses Long range Tesla, not a fair comparison.

They say at the end charging infrastructure is king, but it seems like in this particular drive they didn’t actually need to use superchargers. Both cars were able to do the round trip without stopping to charge. Meaning they could have charged up at the destination or back at home.

I would love to know the consumption on your way back to the start. With the Tesla which now have a heated battery (after charging) it can use that heat to heat the cabin and spend much less energy. The different in charge was 14% on the way there, I bet the difference on the way home was 20-25% in charge.

so, maybe the only story from all of this is do not buy electric until the power grid , if ever, becomes more reliable. otherwise, the choice will always be between solid build, quality but power charging deficient OR cheaply built but battery superior . the timing test was stupid as the tesla stations usually are backed up...and the test should have been started ONLY when both were ready tocharge. other-wise, the test was really dumb.

15:44 C'mon man, no one turns their head. Give me a break🤣🤣🤣

I find the comments about the lack of behind the steering wheel display interesting, does no one scan the areas around them including the rear view mirror while driving? When you scan the mirror the center display right there...

This was an awesome video. I was hugely interested in Tesla but all the QC issues - and your video about the rear door not working, highlighting complexity where it is not necessary - scared me away. I would have considered the Mach E but the infrastructure isn’t good enough here in NJ (near shore areas)... I ended up going with an Outback XT. Hopefully in 10 years things have changed and there are more options. The standard CCS is hugely important for everyone instead of the old Chademo style one. No objections that the Supercharger Network is the best, but I wish they had a CCS to Tesla adapter for the US market for more charging options. If I had to choose today I would pick the Ford, despite the charging problems since you’re using another company’s network. Electrify America is pretty cheap here at the local shopping center - $0.31 per kWh at 350 kWh. Perfect for my personal needs. Also I would want the AWD version and now we are talking close to $55-60k before the tax credit.

Not enough of the Dog.

Good job guys this is a lot of work. This actually makes me realize the electric car isn't there yet. Charging is not where it needs to be.

Great review! Your dad looks like Doc Oc from Spiderman 2 with his sunglasses on 😂

One comment on using the EPA ratings. If you want to look up highway driving range, personalize the results on fueleconomy.gov to be 100% highway driving, 0% stop and go. The number shown with that configuration is the highway range. That gives 194 for the 2021 Mach E AWD Standard Range.

There is no uglier thing in the world than Tesla cars.

General comment here about charging stations, not talking about Ford or Tesla per se. It doesnt matter how fast your car can drink electrons, if it has to sip through a coffee straw. Taycan is a good example, because they advertise an amazing rate of charge, but charging stations capable of that rate are few and far between. Also, here in SoCal, we rarely have to think about preheating before charge. 🥵

BTW this "remembering your settings" feature is now available also in the new Skoda Octavia, a small family sedan/liftback (mostly VAG engineering) it also applies your settings as you hop from one Octavia to another (obviously most useful in fleets)

My family has some ebikes, and my dad and I decided to bike up a mountain pass near Sisters, Oregon. We went uphill until we have 2/5ths the battery left and then turned around, and got back down with... 2/5ths of the battery left. It was about 30 miles.

Should have set destination to SC, it would have pre-heated the battery. Am sure you knew that.

I'm really getting tired of the "is it a mustang?" question and debate. Most people interested in the Mach E don't really care if it is "really a mustang"

Dad: -''Ok Tommy, I want to make this a little more analytical'' Tommy: - ''Í think the Tesla is a remarkable ugly vehicle'' Say no more....

Great video. I suspect this was mentioned somewhere in the comments, but only V1/V2 superchargers have the stall sharing limitation. The supercharger you used (at Colorado Mills Mall) is a V3, which doesn't have the same sharing limitation. Looking forward to more videos.

I’ve had multiple interactions with the Electrify America machines and more things have gone wrong than right. Some machines run Windows XP embedded and have flat out had driver issues or BSOD. The last one I used the touchscreen wasn’t working unbeknownst to me. Started charging, went to shop, came back to stop, and couldn’t. Had to call EA, get someone on the phone, explain what was going on, and the. they were able to stop it remotely.

Amazing trip and analysis! Wow! Can't wait to watch the other matches!

So.. You got 10 miles of range for 2.25? That is the cost of a gallon of gas. So.. You are getting around 10 miles per gallon? Yikes!! This is not good..

Wow... this really helped drive home the message that we still don't have a good way to compare charging rate, calculate range, or compare capabilities between electric cars!

We are researching these two cars for our next dog hauler, and your review exactly what we needed. We have used the term Monster Puppy for all of our Burners over the last 20 years. We were leaning towards the Y because of the interior dimensions for the BMD's. Thanks, well done!

Interesting the model y range was really far off from the estimate in the beginning while mach was actually pretty consistent (consistently low). I know ford battery can run at lower temperature, I wonder if tesla was heating battery more during this drive.

$.41 per kwh is crazy expensive considering how much your supercharging cost where you are. I mean here in CA the Electrify America's chargers are at .55 per kwh, but peak hour SC is $.31 per kwh...off peak is .22. The EA chargers around me doesn't even have an off peak hour. I used to have a plug-in and EA chargers were the worst. Literally, because they started off with requiring you to get a card. While all regular ChargerPoint chargers required were an NFC chip off the back of your phone. They don't always work, it was the same experience Tommy was having. When I switched to a Tesla, the SC network was like a gas station experience. It usually just works. Granted you spend a little more time there than a gas station, but I'm sure most people get my point. I know my Tesla will charge at ~40kwh minimum at the supercharger, the fact that the EA charger lingered around 20kwh definitely scares me off. If gas was $3 per gallon, at .41 per kwh means your effective MPG is really around 22-25MPG cost-wise anyways. Where as even at .31, you're closer to 30mpg. And that's assuming you're getting around 235-240 watt per mile. So if your ownership revolves around requiring to charge at these locations, you're really getting the shaft. The only thing (besides cost, partly) stopping me from buying a Taycan is the lack of charging network, EA chargers and other EV charging stations are about 3-5 years behind and Tesla's "advanced cruise control" is hands down the best on the market today.

Another huge issue you didn't talk about is buying replacement parts for/from Tesla, as well as out of warranty service from Tesla. Ask Rich Benoit about getting parts for Tesla repairs, (or repairs that void warranty on Tesla's). I sure hope Ford does not follow Tesla with this practice. And there's no reason to think that they will. This concept alone should steer people away from Tesla, (imho).

I’ve been in a long range Mach E (some kind of bright blue). I prefer it to my performance model Y in every way except for thrust which I’m sure will be similar in the GT. I wish I’d waited and will almost certainly trade it for one when they arrive

Fun fact- I am not the first

I choked a lot on that p-up truck exhaust smoke at 3:47... Regarding having to turn your head to see the speed on the T-sla, I have learned to use my eyeball muscles to view things that are not directly in front of my skull, it's worked wonders for me since I rarely walk into walls anymore! Thanks Tesla!

I don't think it's comparing apple to oranges! I mean in the tesla has a better performance regarding speed and power but in the end when you take a road trip, that doesn’t matter. what matters is the actual range and charging capabilities. They’re both similar vehicles, just one's a bit more faster (or a lot ).

Y did the Mach e,s brake light go on at the beginning of the drag race 🤣 I think you hit the wrong pedal buddy

I would absolutely take a Mustang Mach-E over a Tesla.

21:10 Why are you paying via EMV Contact instead of Contactless in 2021?

Superchargers aren't perfect. Our onboard charger worked at home, but would not supercharge. You don't find this out until you are 140 miles from home. It was not a fun experience. I now always try a Supercharger locally before heading out on a road trip. On other occasions we have experienced wait time and power outages. Having the CHADEMO as plan B is very helpful.

The Mustang Mach E is a looker but is a disappointment when it comes to value. At least should've been priced like the VW iD4

@8:25 "You're a road hazzard dad" says every child to their parents all through their life....