Sunday the 25th we went on a charity run for abused and neglected children. An impatient driver tried to pull through the line of bikes causing a horrible accident.
As a retired flight nurse, I would have been the one who responded in that helicopter. I have seen accidents that NO ONE should ever see and that I will carry with me for all eternity. It takes a micro-second to change lives forever. You did a beautiful job narrating this video. Your experience and wisdom truly shine through. God bless all of you!
@@RonManchuse That helicopter made it there in a really short amount of time. I live in a really rural area and the fastest the helicopter can make it here is just shy of thirty minutes. You have to be in a real desolate, faraway place to have to wait an hour. Go to Australia, you could be looking at hours before a helicopter or plane can reach you.
@@RonManchuse I’m trying to understand the point of your comment.. The only point I see is that you want to make someone that has already seen traumatic things, imagine even more traumatic things which they have likely already seen. I wouldn’t be surprised if the original commenter has pts from their experiences soo, and I mean this as respectfully as one can.. F the F off. No one cares, or asked for your input
@@marymonson2187 The video has been editted, his first source was a Gor Pro, then he took over with his phone. Response time of the Life Flight cannot be judged with this youtube video.
I'm the guy on the yellow King Glide behind you in the Run. Thank God you were wearing your GoPro your video change the public perception of this event and it's much appreciated
I'm 57 and grew up on motorcycles, absolutely no way would I be on one in today's world, people doesn't care or respect themselves or anyone they share the road with,
And obey traffic laws . Did car use a signal to turn ? If so , courtesy should have slowed bikers to allow the turn . It shows the car driver was not the only asshole out there . Did car have a signal on to turn ?
@@salvatorepraga635I think they are stressing that if someone doing 220 mph can walk away uninjured then at lower speeds i.e. on the road then it will almost certainly protect someone 👍
I have been a career firefighter for over 20 years and have unfortunately been to many accidents involving motorcycles, people today just do not pay attention. I personally will never own a motorcycle due to incidents I've been involved/ witnessed. Prayers to the people involved in this incident, also thanks for sharing this video as it will hopefully educate some people.
I myself feel the same way about cylces .ive called then murder bikes speed and some do drink none of those mix well with driving anything even a pedel bike will kill you
@@aday1637 I am, yes. Based on the video its clearly evident. What he didnt see the mile long line of bikers before he turned? Definitely on purpose. Driver should be imprisoned.
@@gschaaf713 Agreed man. This happened on a group ride recently in Wisconsin. Almost exact same scenario, fortunately just ended with a wrecked bike but it can always be worse. These people do this shit on purpose because they don't want to get stuck waiting for a pack of bikes. Don't be fooled, this was no "accident", it's the consequence of not valuing others lives over your time.
Can't believe how almost 7 people went to the person in the grass while no one else rushed to the lady laying motionless in the middle of the street at the same time. Lots of people in shock and not responding to apply first aid.
Right. Got to have a plan for this in case it happens on your ride. Too often people are more interested in getting the bike back up. The bike can wait, a rider is down & injured. I think most of that is b/c people are not prepared & ready, they would rather help the bike. Should always ride with a medic kit & have at least rudimentary skills, especially at least 1 person in a group ride. I also carry a tourniquet.
@@yerxa420ca completely false. You are protected by Good Samaritan laws. Every state in this country would rather you attempt to help someone and be protected from wrongdoing than to stand around and watch (or record) someone dying.
I ABSOLUTELY agree with you!!! We had a terrible accident earlier this month in Missouri that took the lives of 4 people and impacted the lives of many more of our riding club and riders in this area on a toy run for Christmas as we do this 3 times a year for disadvantaged kids. The driver of the car was impaired by drugs,alcohol and was texting when she crossed the center,not caring about the impact it would have on riders all across the nation. We are still grieving and putting as much effort as we can to help those in this accident. Tha k you for your video,I hope it helps everyone to understand that there are a LOT of motorcycles on the roads in the spring,summer and fall months. Ride safe,my friend and keep those 2 wheels down!!!
Unfortunately this is the reason after riding for more than 50years my husband an I know longer ride because of the traffic an people just don't look for Bikes or the crowd you . Just have to many grandkids an fa.ily that need us here for as long as we can be. We miss riding but don't miss the dangerous roads now. TEXAS❤
@@lindastarkey4536,I've been riding for 50 plus years myself. When I go out,I HAVE to keep my head on a 360° swivel. I won't quit riding,even if I have to do it on back roads. Hope your having a great day,and thanks.
@arenhoomen5502 my husband passed away beside me the day I buried my momma we came home an he said he just didn't feel good we went to be early an 5am I woke an he was gone. I cry an miss them both everyday an I just wish I could ride behind him 1 more time. We have 3 HD 1971 IRONHEAD 1980 80 CUBIC IN Superglide 2012 police special He was the 1980 Superglide I could sleep ehide him he was such a great man. I miss every second. Didn't know I could cry everyday for 2 years now. Iit gets harder everyday God Bless an keep you Safe on your journey.
BIG reason why my husband and I stopped riding! So many are not paying attention, and we were nearly taken out too many times. Saying prayers for everyone - stay safe!
I know it's such a shame that we have to give up something we enjoy. I don't know how many times I've had to ride up against the curb and follow the person and say I guess just out of curiosity see me? and nine times out of ten they say no. Im on a 360 on off gold. And u do not see me👀
I rode m/c for years, road and dirt. Lots of minor crashes or wipeouts, finding deep holes in pastures you can't see, etc. First "big" crash a car turned in front of me and its bumper clipped my engine and left tibia/fibula. Bike went north and I went airborne westbound and spinning. My head impacted the pavement first then the rest of me. Without a helmet I'd be either dead or a drooling vegetable. Later I was selected for the police motorcycle certification course. I thought I knew how to ride m/c but found out I didn't know squat how to handle a heavy m/c with precision. The 1978 Kawawsaki Police 1000 (same as on CHIPS the TV show) was a great m/c. However, the more I rode police m/c the more tense I became while riding. Being a traffic crash investigator I got to most of the m/c crashes, usually the very worst ones which were pretty ugly. I could certainly empathize with those riders in pain (except for 1 idiot). Every day was a series of close calls at intersections regardless of the type. Every car approaching from a side street put me on alert. Finally I just had enough after several years. I even sold my last m/c and got out of riding, plus we had a new baby and m/c don't work well as family trucksters. Bunch of my fellow officers who rode, retired and kept riding. Until they riding in mountains and forests somewhere in Wyoming. Six Harleys going through a shaded area of tall pine and a moose launched itself onto the road. 5 of 6 Harleys were down with their riders. The tail end guy was untouched, which was great because he had to ride for miles to get a cell phone signal. Two had to be helicoptered out their injuries were so bad. One of the two had a high quality helmet (not cheap like I buy) but his head hit so hard he ended up with some brain damage. Of the 6 only two still ride m/c anymore.
Most of the video shows riders intentionally crowding the double yellow line. Sometimes crossing into the oncoming lane of traffic. That’s a violation on their part.
Thank You for posting this video and your commentary. For the past 10 years I lived in the Philippines. I have only been operating a motorcycle for 6 years. Over here the streets are so crowded with unskilled motorcycles and cagers. About 75% of the population here have a motorcycle. This video, your message and the messages in the comment section are etched in my brain. I will not ride in a pack over for sure. Again, thank you for sharing your insights on motorcycle operations and safety.
I almost ran over a group of motorcycles that were doing a run down the freeway they were doing 35 miles an hour in the fast lane in Phoenix, Arizona and these people were the stragglers from a 3 mile long parade, and I wasn’t the only one that almost ran these organ donors over. If you’re going to do poker runs, you’re holding aces and eights. And the fact that another motorcycle ran him over tells you that you guys were too close to each other as sad as it is.
why do you invite abuse by using the term "organ donor"? you don't care about human life. i'm sorry to tell you this, but it's solely your responsibility to drive safely, trying to blame it on other drivers or riders shows how egocentric you really are. some people just CAN'T care about anything. psychopathy. let me know when the rest of the world does what you demand.
Damn. I originally assumed that she pulled in front of the lead bike bc she wasn’t paying attention. She actually tried to cut through the middle of the pack due to being impatient. Unbelievable. Hope everything works out for those involved.
10:23 she cut in front of the first bike and the 3 wheel bike who was 2nd ran him over. what video are you watching??? the middle of the pack what are you on????
@@johncasor9698 Excuse me John, but Paul has it absolutely right, there are bikes ahead of him and the reverse trike. She was too far in the driveway when the accident happened. Guy on the motorcycle left to much space between him and the bike ahead of him. Lady could have mistaken that as a sign that he was slowing down to let her go through. He also overreacted with the braking and never tried to go left of her. In fact, he was still braking when she was in the driveway Guy on the Spyder didn't control his bike. Lady did not cause this accident. I hope she had a good lawyer.
Although tragic, it looks as if it wasn't just the car that was at fault they did not leave themselves enough space to safely stop hitting one another , stay safe riders . 🙏🏼
I’m 77 now and when I was 21, I saw an accident just like this, except it was a 14 year old boy on a dirt bike who pulled in front of a car going 45. He wasn’t even supposed to be on that bike. It has haunted me my entire life. I saw that boy die 20 feet away. I was standing by the side of the road. I see it in my minds eye every time I see a motorcycle. 🙏🙏🙏
Our Justice system is in shambles, just because she was turning onto her driveway doesn't give her the right to make that turn and what was the urgency when in fact it was not safe for her to make that turn. A ticket is like a slap on the wrist they should have revoked her license for good. People in general disregard the law and the well being of others. Peace.
Yea, I may be wrong, but that ticket sets the cage driver up for a lawsuit since evidence of wrongful actions has been displayed. (The video helps too!)
@@cobradalton8375 So what. Dead is dead. Litigation does not fix permanent injury or death. The only time anyone goes to jail. Is when they are intoxicated. Which is a real shame. When someone is intoxicated they do not have 100% of their mental facilities. When someone is sober they have 100% of their mental facilities. Why is it it is bad to kill people when not having 100% of ones mental facilities. But ok to kill people when having 100% of mental facilities. Like the dead people are less dead? Should not matter if impaired or not. Everyone that kills someone with motor vehicle should automatically go to prison. Prison is a deterrent. As long as there is no deterrent. People are going to continue to kill other people with there vehicle. Most everything is already covered by laws & sentencing guidelines. Other than killing people with a motor vehicle while sober. They never charge a sober driver for manslaughter. That literally allows for premeditated homicide. People intentionally turn on the vehicle. Cause it to move forward. Cause it to turn. Those are all premeditated actions. When people do so and kill people. It is negligent homicide. 100% avoidable. They should not be let off because they were not impaired. They should be held liable because they had 100% of their mental facilities to make the right safe choice.
WHY?? They always in a hurry and your always in their way! They have no patience when they waiting on you but they can take all day when you waiting on them! FACT! I see it everyday.
Unfortunately, this kind of thing happens every day. I can't even tell you how many times over the years people have pulled out in front of me while I was on my bike.
I appreciate the narrative on caution and being careful, etc., and I agree with you. However, by the same token, the bikers also need to stop driving in the oncoming lanes, not using helmets, in and out of the double yellow no pass lanes, etc. This was a terrible accident and the lady looked like she was in the absolute wrong on this. As a car driver and previous bike owner, I see bikers constantly weaving across lines, between lanes of cars, between side by side cars, bikes driving two and three abreast, etc. I struggle when biker spokes people talk to us car drivers that we need to watch out for bikers without bikers making some effort on their own.
I know first hand how this feels, I had a young driver turn in front of me, I never had a chance to hit the brakes, I went over my bars and through her windshield, 5 broken ribs and a concussion is all I got which I am thankful for, I pray the riders recover fast and that no one was severely injured! We need more advocacy on drivers paying attention to motorcycles!
Randal Bystry please shut the hell up. We know the risk when riding ans don't need every single person to tell us the same thing. Pay attention while your driving so your negligence doesn't hurt or kill another rider.
The craziest part of this to me is that I didn’t see her jump out of her car or run to the injured parties. She literally pulled all the way into her drive way and then stalled for a bit… what in the actual f. So lucky the rest of you were there to assist your friend
Well, there were a pack of angry bikers. She was probably afraid for her own life. And I'm guessing that she's not a trained medic or paramedic, so the best thing to do is call 911.
Obviously, the car driver should have avoided turning through the oncoming group of motorcyclists. What's less obvious is that forming a long group of motorcycles creates potentially hazardous situations for other drivers. Unlike normal traffic where vehicles naturally create gaps, a single long string of bikes doesn't. IMHO the organizers of this group ride bear some responsibility for the collision. There are a number of different tactics for moving a large group down the road other than just falling in line and trying to keep the spaces closed up. For instance, the run could be divided up into sub-groups of 10 or 20 riders, each led by an experienced ride leader. Or, it could be a scavenger hunt, with participants each navigating separately. It could be a travelers run, with periodic stops where participants draw information cards with points earned or lost, then continue separately. I also note that the wise group leader selects stops only where there is adequate space for parking and easy access from and back onto the road. The lesson I would take from this crash scenario is for potential group participants to comprehend how joining a group ride increases your personal danger, simply because of the increased mental demands.
You are so right about being vigilant while riding especially in such large groups, expect every car that is waitng to turn in front of you and ride accordingly. If the rider jerked and swerved as you said, he was probably not paying attention to the frustrated driver unfortunately.
I hope that young man recovered from his injuries.These situations are the worst. I was involved in an accident when a lady did the same thing in front of me. Just as I was getting to her she took a left in front of me and we hit head on. I was lucky. But you can't rely on luck you have to be aware at all times.
I wish everyone a speedy recovery. Be Safe! The STOP sign at 9:35 means stop. You need to follow the rules of the road and so does the driver of the car.
With a big group ride and trying to keep everyone together it's safer and more sensible for everyone to roll through the stop sign instead of 20 bikes stopping and starting at a stop sign in the back country. That being said everyone on the road should follow all traffic laws but sometimes you have to use common sense when riding a motorcycle.
A few years ago, I was taking my kids to the school playground and witnessed an old man in a pickup T-boning a motorcylist who was traveling from the opposite direction as me. Biker was doing absolutely everything right, but gramps decided to pull out of the footballer parking lot across the street from the playground and ruin everyone's day. I quickly parked my SUV and ran to the young man lying in the middle of the street. Kid's right tibia was snapped in half and the bone was poking through his jeans and one of the raised rectangular pieces on the truck's chrome bumper had left a perfect impression of itself in his shin like it was made of Play-Doh. Luckily he wasn't losing blood at an alarming rate, at least not externally. He asked me to help him take his helmet off but I told him to leave it on and stay still until EMS arrived because he could have a neck or spine injury. Then, he asked if his leg was OK. To avoid causing him to go further into shock, I told him it was fine and not to worry about anything except holding still to avoid undue injury. He said "Are you sure? It feels really funny." The sick bastard in my head was rolling over that, but I held it together and just kept talking to him until the ambulance pulled up. I overheard the responding police officer interviewing the truck's driver, and he was claiming that the bike flew in out of nowhere and he didn't see him because the bushes were too tall, which quickly changed to the wall next to the lot entrance obscuring his view. As soon as the interview was done, I approached the officer and informed him that my daughters and I had witnessed the whole thing and the motorcycle wasn't speeding, then went on to point out to the officer, an old schoolmate, that the bushes and wall the gentleman had blamed were both under 3 feet tall and didn't obstruct anyone's view, much less from the driver's seat of a full sized pickup truck. He assured me that he already knew from the lack if skidmarks and where the vehicles were located that the driver was full of it and not to worry, he wouldn't let the kid get screwed over. TLDR: distracted and unfit driver's suck so, when I ride, I just assume that they're all blissfully living with their heads up their asses and treat them like the probable threats they are. Stay safe out there, brothers and sisters.
*Update* The woman involved in the traffic accident passed away after 4 months in the hospital. She was in a coma and succumbed to her injuries after a long fight. The driver received a 100$ ticket for having a broken tail light in a plea deal, state highway patrol said in order to file charges against the driver a victim must pass away within 30 days to consider it part of the accident 😢
That's a shame it has to be within 30 days. Obviously this poor woman wouldn't have been in the hospital amd passed had the accident not happened. That is a serious flaw in that law. The driver of the SUV should be held responsible.
30 days?? Being in a coma FROM THE ACCIDENT. Sorry not yelling at you. Just stressing the fact. That's murder to me. I am so sorry for everyone's loss.
How long was that woman waiting to turn in because of the group? Was she turning from a dead stop? Did the motorcycle hit her car? Were the riders spaced out allowing for emergency stopping? Had there been drinking before the ride?
As a long time HOG and local Chapter member I've been on 3 organized rides with 500+ bikes and each time there were accidents, in fact 3 in one ride alone! Since we often allowed non members to participate in charity rides, we allways held briefings before the rides got underway, it would surprise you how many did not or would not understand the rules made for the riders in the event! I had one guy trying to play "Ponch and Jon" with me (side by side) throughout the ride and I kept yelling over to him to stagger the ride and to watch everyone else, hold the stagger! When we got to the next break stop I walked over and angrily voiced to him his fk'd up riding habits and that I didn't appreciate him riding next to me! He told me "thats how he rides"! After a few more words I got him to leave the ride altogether, (thank you for your contribution, asshole)! I haven't been on one since.
It's not even about the motorcycle, SHE CLEARLY CAUSED AN ACCIDENT WITH INJURY TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE!! She should not only face the courts at the max, but those who suffered should sue her!!
I had that happen to me on my roadglide a month ago. She pulled through one lane of bumper-to-bumper traffic into my lane and in front of me. I was able to maneuver the bike thanks to the anti skid. I stopped in front of her and she looked angry that I blocked her path. PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD ACCONTABLE FOR THEIR DRIVING! You are 100% correct. A ticket does not cover it! I get angry thinking about it.
I am a police officer of 16 years and an avid motorcycle rider myself. I am not pointing fingers at the motorcycle or the car, but what I can tell you is that the person was ran over from behind, so that Can-Am rider is soley at fault for riding to close. Regardless if the car cut the first rider off.
My brother was in a motorcycle accident. Doctors said if he wasn’t wearing his helmet; he would’ve died on impact. His helmet was dented and destroyed but he survived. Never was able to get back on one since. Please wear a helmet.
I believe a persons skill set is diminished by riding with a large number of unskilled or lesser skilled riders, and that experience could breed complacency. Rsmf.
These poker runs are crazy. Way to many bikes riding way to close to each other and hug the double yellow solid line. Just asking for trouble. There have been plenty injuries and deaths caused by the bikes too. What should their charges be?
Had this exact thing happen to me last week on my way home from work at 11pm. Person turned in front of me into their driveway. Luckily my antilock brakes did there job and the driver of the cage realized he FU**ED up and cut his/her turn short and went through the yard. I missed the pick up by just a few feet. Its like I was invisible!! LED headlight, LED passing Lamps, LED side markers and LED run light/turn signals.... I am always amazed at how blind cage drivers are!!!
Didn't ya see the one where one fire engine ran the light and broadsided THE OTHER FIRE LaDDER TRUCK that was also proceeding with lights and sirens blaring? Yeah, if a FIRE TRUCK cannot see another FIRE TRUCK, then what luck do we have on motorcycles? That's why I gave up a lifetime of riding, and I had my own motorcycle in my own dorm room for the Winter at Michigan State, ON THE 3RD FLOOR!
I know you guys had a lot of riders but I was always taught to ride staggered and it has saved me a few time with anxious cagers trying to turn or pulling out 👍🏻
Yea, I didn't see this bunch following any basic group riding etiquette. No hand signals, improper spacing, riding two-abreast. And it looked to me like one of female riders was wearing friggin' Converse All-Stars. Unreal.
I agree with what is being said....but as someone who has ridden for over 50 years..... helmets and proper clothing make a lot of difference. I know... I was struck head-on 30 years ago by someone in a hurry to pass a car and I'm still here because of my helmet and clothing...... That said.... I hope all turned out well for those who were injured.
No helmets. Take over the entire road. Speeding. I suffered thru Sturgis for 10 years, and absolutely HATED it! Glad I’m not in SD anymore! You can have it.
I'm Canadian, and have had my bike license since 16 ( had my bike lic. a few months before my car lic. ). I've never been to Sturgis, or Daytona ( Border problems! ),but watching the videos on here...Who the hell would want to?? Just a Chaotic Cluster F'k!
A minute in and I was already cringing over what the group weren’t wearing! Do American road surfaces hurt less than European ones or am I just missing something??!!
That's exactly why I don't ever ride in any large groups...ever. The driver that cut through and caused the whole incident didn't want to wait for 20-30 seconds for anyone else that had the right of way to safely pass through. I hope that everyone lived through this very avoidable situation.
As a self owned truck driver 42 years on the road" I feel much safer in my rig in today's era there's too many idiots out here on the road they're either hyped up on some kind of drug or they're on their cell phones, or maybe even down right stupid! And can't drive at all..we hardly had these kinds of problems back in the 70s.. that's why I don't ride bikes anymore..
im 61 during my life i have had 8 or 9 friends die in motorcycle accidents...once i got married and started having kids i stopped riding... there is no defense for careless vehicle operators... in a split second your life can be over... its not worth it.
I'm not a biker and think this is a tragic event. I can only hope these folks are ok. Once a year I almost completely lock myself in the house during Bike Week because of the total mayhem that takes place. I too have been frustrated sitting in long lines of cars waiting for bikes and as we say here why do we need to constantly stop and sit for bikers when they never stop for cars. Everyone needs to chill out. Be aware and cautious of others well being.
Wow dude love the break down and footage thanks for this definitely lessons to be learned sorry for having to deal with this also god bless and prayers to those that got injured hope no souls were lost
awesome narration, I love your wife's helmet!!! You two rock! I am so sorry that happened! I am always careful around motorcycles and try to give them more space! I used to ride!
I am an advocate of hi-viz gear and something happened the other day that prompted me to share. I was riding through town in a 40 mph zone. There was a bike behind me about 30 yards. I didn’t know the guy. I saw the car up ahead getting ready to turn left in front of me. I moved over a little and the thankfully the driver saw me. Florescent helmet and jacket. The guy behind me was in a black t-shirt and no helmet. The car waited for me to pass by and then proceeded to turn right in front of the guy behind me. I heard the crash as I was still close. I saw in my mirror what was happening and turned around to go back and help if I could. The rider was pretty messed up and his bike was toast. The car operator was distraught of course. She kept saying; “I didn’t see him!” She said she probably would have turned into me if I wasn’t wearing bright gear. The ambulance came and took the guy away. I hope he wasn’t hurt too badly.
A very sad situation! I've ridden motorcycles for roughly 27 years and I'd like to point out an observation without placing fault. Riding in a true staggered formation will give you more space and that gives you more reaction time. It deeply annoys me when people don't hold formation and and ride side-by-side. I need an escape route in case someone in front of me does something dangerous or silly!
I knew a trauma surgeon and in conversation I asked what he has learned being a doctor in emergency setting, he simply said wear a helmet. He saw so many deaths from very minor motorcycle accidents because the person chose to not wear a helmet.
I had a gang of motorcycles pull out in front of me this past weekend. I reacted very swiftly and avoided the accident. I patted myself on the back and went on my way.
In the early summer of 1978, I had borrowed a buddy's bike while waiting to take delivery of my first motorcycle. I had misgivings about buying one. I felt I lacked a certain confidence you must have to ride well. On the way home from work a driver coming out of a parking lot made a left turn in front of me in a very light drizzle. He might not have pulled out, but I had the feeling he might, and so I slowed down just a bit. I had to brake hard, and at the end of the stop, I fell over and the foot peg cut my ankle open. I was so shaken up; I could barely recover enough to ride home. The next morning, I canceled the order on my bike, and lost my deposit. I never got on a motorcycle again - And never regretted it.
This is why I quit riding bikes almost 50 years ago! I had a driver approaching the street I was on, from my right, at his stop sign, making eye contact with me with less than 50 feet between us, pullout making a left in front of me, NEVER BREAKING EYE CONTACT!!! I was lucky enough to have learned how to brake well enough to stop from 35mph, not 3 feet from hitting that asshole! I had another driver do nearly the same thing exiting a parking lot to my right, making a left, but while looking away from me to his right. I was much closer this time and had to swerve to the left and struck the end of a curb block that destroyed my front tire and rim. I was still upright but the flat front was completely unsteerable, so I went down... luckily in a smooth flat patch of thick grass. grass ! After that all I could picture when I thought about riding, was being on a highway with nothing around but steel guard rails and poles and posts and just having a tire blow out. I never got on a bike again!
Any good motorcycle instructor will tell you (as mine did) that riding with more than 4 or 5 people is inexcusable. It's great that you've all arranged your schedule around a ride, but others have things to do and places to go. Shutting down intersections and causing long delays are the problem. I see bikers get frustrated all the time when there's too much traffic on the road. They start to weave and try all kinds of stupid maneuvers. Well now you understand how drivers feel during events like this. These pack rides often go under the guise of a charity or awareness event - make no mistake, it's a chance to experience a mob.
The accident and motorcycles aside, she made an illegal left hand turn into the driveway violating the double yellow centerline. Can't make that turn if nobody is there. Prayers to everyone.
Sadly happens all too often. I myself have been involved in an accident because of a motorist who was not driving attentively. Six months in hospital, four and a half of which were in traction.
Thanks for sharing this difficult story. I'm praying for the injured and their families. From my 55 years of riding and several crashes, I always ride armoured-up, helmet and kevlar-shielded riding gear, no matter how short the ride. I get people want to experinece the freedom from the lid, but it's just not worth the risk. Riding motorcycles is fun, exciting and risky, and unfortunately, we as riders must always remain aware that people driving cars with little to no riding experience fail to understand the horrible consequences of violating our right of way. Further, drivers will always misjudge our approach speed and rate of closure due to the bike's small visual cross-section. I was involved in the Trail of Tears rides from Chattanooga to Oaklahoma with nearly a thousand bikes creating a group several miles long. The greatest hazard in group rides this big is the impatient driver looking for a gap in the line to make a left turn. We encouoraged riders to stay staggared, pay close attention to the pace of bikes ahead, and never allow a gap to open especially when parading through a town. I witnessed at least two crashes on the TOT rides caused by a bike slowing, creating a gap that gave an impatient driver the opportunity to turn in front of them. One more point, it's a very good idea to have communication from the front to the middle to the end of the group (lead, middle, tail gunner) to warn riders of upcoming hazards. We used CB radios before Bluetooth and it's as good idea to use CBs for this reason. The three can also have BTs in their helmets to communiate to the riders in their vicinity. Thanks again for posting this.
Your safety gear is your last line of protection in case all else fails. Dress for the slide, not the ride. Mind blowing that many don’t wear a helmet & other gear.
BTW riding in groups like that, with the "look" of a Motorcycle gang will lead people to hit a run for their own safety... also as in this incident, riding in packs creates domino effects that end in tragedies like this, my Dad used to ride on a Heritage Softail....I always said you make yourself a greasy spot on the road.....that's on you. You are doing something more dangerous than driving a car.....Expect this to happen...nobodies fault but your own.....people in cars make mistakes, if you are on a motorcycle You should know that those mistakes lead to death instead of injury 99% of the time....
A few things that can go a long way to stop things like this is to quit calling them ACCIDENTS. They are WRECKS, not accidents. Accidents imply it was beyond anyone's control. Lightning struck you. New tire blew out. Deer came out of the brush. Tree branch fell on you or on road in front of you. Wrecks are when people crash but did so because some person did something wrong. Two people at least did something wrong. Car failed to yield. The three wheeler failed to stop. One person says the lead guy in this crash panic stopped late, so maybe a third. With wrecks, there is responsibility. To correct that, there needs to be real punishment. Today, a person in a car can kill another person driving, car or bike, and often never serve more than two years. They can KILL someone and be free to live their life after two years! That is insane.
So, what was the outcome for the crash victims? Were they all wearing helmets? Why leave this info out of the video? A lot of buildup without the delivery.
I have had a motor cycle endorsement on my licence since day one and rode many years before they were required.. It looks like the lady cleared and was in her driveway 4 seconds prior to the accident. The problem as I see it, is the Spider. I owned one of these death traps and hated it from the moment I picked it up at the dealership. It reminds me of the ole Honda 3 wheelers that killed many people before they were banned. You have very little control of these 3 wheel suicide machines. I rode mine home and immediately put it up for sale. I took a 2K loss and was glad to be rid of the POS. The guy that bought it wanted me to recinde the deal but I refused to. I would like to hear from present Spider owners and if they tell you they love the machine, they are lying to you. They probably bought a Pinto back in the day and rather than sat it was a bad investment, they lied and said they loved it. If you must make a sharp turn, you are going to go over the high side and faceplant on the asphalt
I've been riding for 62 years. This vid shows exactly why I hate riding in groups, and will never do so. In a group like this, your life and limb relies totally on the skill and common sense of everyone around you. Not only that but the mechanical condition of every other bike near you in the group, and of course, the skill and common sense of the driver of every other vehicle you encounter. Waaaay too many variables and potential "points of failure". I never ride side-by-side with anyone, even if there are only two of us. It's also disturbing to see so many people riding without the proper gear. That's just plain stupid. Dress for the slide, not for the ride.
Wow, I never knew that, or would've thought so. I've always dressed for the slide, not the ride, but never heard of groups being dangerous because I never got to the level of riding. Thanks and good to know from someone with WAAAaaaay more experience than I have.
@@michaelb.42112always ride in staggered formation. Side by side is for photo/ movie shoots in controlled environments only, never for real life. Tens of thousands of miles from east coast to west coast USA and from Mexico to Canada. Rode through sun, snow and a hurricane but never went down. Too many close calls to count, still don't know why I'm alive. Always helped the few bikers I saw go down and even had to chase a hit and run cage driver.
‚Dress for the slide‘ - great saying. Thx. (btw. I always wonder why -even the lesser dressed riders- don‘t even use gloves (given a helmet is mandatory anyway). Personally I am protected all around all the time while riding, I don‘t care about the sweat. Not worth it.
I am a fellow biker. Side by side riding on 2 lane roads looks cool but it seriously compromises your ability to maneuver in case of an emergency. For your own safety, save side by side for trips for the wide open spaces of the interstate.
I fully agree, and I was taught at HD motor school only if both riders are highly skilled. Otherwise ride in a staggered formation. I didn't like the guy in the blue chopper always breaking up that formation.
This was a horrible accident and I will keep everyone in my prayers. I ride in the Philippines where this is so common everyday. Our Skill Sets over the Risk Level are paramount Advance motorcycle skills can help us bikers and Defense Driving Course Training should be mandatory for all other vehicle operators. Over here it's every biker for themselves on the road. Stay Safe 🙏
Ya the woman was totally at fault, but a good rider would of avoided the car by banking left, and the 3 wheeler, don't get me started he had all the time in the world to slow down or better still swerve left, he was to busy waving his hand at the car
I participated in a large run once and dropped out before it was even half done. It was terrifying. The bike in front of me was spitting oil and having a hard time ‘keeping his lane. Bikes would run up on each other and rarely kept a staggered pattern or the proper distance. Good cause or not, these runs can be extremely dangerous.
My youngest son, Josh, was killed on his motorcycle Tuesday, November 29th, 2022, around 7:00 pm when a 79 year old woman who was recently released from the hospital with open heart surgery, driving at night, didn’t see him on his extremely loud, old, Harley sportster pulled out of her neighborhood and directly in front of him on a busy street in Tulsa Oklahoma. He was probably doing about 45-50 which is the typical flow of traffic here, and witnesses say he didn’t even have time to brake. She waited till he was right there to pull out. He was wearing all his gear, but the impact was so severe and sudden that it killed him pretty much instantly. The first person to reach him in the road said he was already gone, but tried cpr anyway, to no avail. His injuries were too severe. “Blunt force trauma” to the head and body, was the official cause of my 29 yr old son’s death. She got a ticket and another visit to the hospital for her safety. I understand that accidents happen, but negligence is not really an accident is it? No, it’s not. When someone’s carelessness or negligence or driving when they shouldn’t be, caused another person’s death or serious injury, they should be held criminally liable, 100%. I don’t understand why the hell they aren’t? Makes 0 damn sense! Anyway, I hate, hate, HATE, to see this awful thing happen to someone and my prayers and thoughts are with these poor people and their families. God bless! Stay strong! Be SAFE! Btw, I still ride in honor of my downed son, Joshua Clark. That’s him in my YT pic.
As a 71 year old man I think anyone over 65 should have to pass a driving test every couple of years. Not only to test their driving skills, but to make sure they are aware of any new laws.
I hope everyone is OK. As a motorcyclist in England for 40+ years, It is nothing short of insanity not to wear protective head and body gear. Even gloves save severe injuries when you contact the road at any speed.
Hey Pedro, wolly, yeh, gotta wear some gear. Been times where l didn't, fortunately no skin loss or bones broken, but got my attention, for me, it's gear. But, each to his own. But, lose skin off your hands, nah, l'm not wiping your ass
I worked in an emergency room ; we said the difference between wearing a helmet and not wearing one was whether or not you wanted your family to be able the have an open or closed casket .
When I rode motorcycles, I always rode alone, I was never impressed with large groups, too many different opinions and way too many egos. The way I rode was right looks better than left, saw a lot of beautiful places and met some incredible people. Never met anybody I didn't like, I never got lost (I may not have been where I wanted to be LOL). With onset ALS I hope I never forget two things, my grandchildren and memories of riding!
@jessed0308 I have a full video on my channel where I go into depth reviewing the helmets that I wear, and it only took me setting down a motorcycle one time to never leave my house without one
As a rider of over 50 years, I see a bunch of problems with your pack. Way to close together and way to close to the center line for starters. Not safe riding and leaving no room for other people’s mistakes will get you hurt. Judging by the lack of gear, I would say a lot of inexperienced riders in the group.
As a professional driver and biker when you ride in group- ride in staggered formation. I refuse to do poker runs because a good deal of riders don't know how to ride in a pack. All it takes is one. I only ride with experienced riders I know. Not a bunch of wannabe bikers who don't know how to ride.
"You need to be prepared" the guy says to automobile drivers while most of the cyclists have no helmets as well as other safety attire. Not excusing the lady who turned in front of them, but serious injuries could have possibly been avoided with helmets and proper clothing.
As a former accident investigator, I'd have to say I don't assign 100% or even primary fault to the car driver. The motorcyclist in front did not contact that car, nor did the car cause him to fall off his motorcycle. He was however struck from behind by another vehicle that failed to stop in time to avoid him which is the cause of the collision and subsequent injury. If he hadn't been struck by that following vehicle he'd be totally fine, no injury at all. The fact that his brake lock-up produced marks that end well after the driveway indicates to me that he panicked in a delayed reaction (braking so hard long after it was necessary to reduce his speed). When he finally passes the driveway, the car was already several car lengths into the driveway. If this had been a true ROW violation those marks would have been ended well before the potential point of impact, which would have to be in line with the driveway into which the car turned. I'd say the primary cause of the accident was the following vehicle's inability to react in a timely fashion, due to following too closely, and violating the basic speed law (safe speed for conditions). The secondary cause was the front rider's over-reaction to a perceived hazard, resulting in him losing control of his bike and entering a skid/slide from which he could not recover without coming to a complete stop and possibly unsafe speed for conditions. The tertiary cause if any, would be the ROW violation (if that is the finding), and while you might be asking how is that possible, when without that, none of the other actions would have been taken? Which is true, however, any sort of road hazard could have produced the same outcome. An animal or debris in the road, loose gravel, a slick patch of oil (common near T-junctions), a puddle of water (also common near junctions because of the extra wear/tear on the roadway edges), etc. You get the point. A rider can get spooked by nearly anything that is perceived, rightly or not, as an obstacle. A bird flying low across the lane, even a shadow that makes it appear as though there is a road hazard where there is none. In that scenario, he'd still slow down or stop and then still be struck from behind by the following rider. Its generally accepted that in a rear end accident the following vehicle is 100% at fault. Which means that there is no room left for split liability. Since no injuries arose from the first rider having to brake/slow his bike, whether he reacted properly or overreacted, or was partly to contribute by speeding, as the case may be (giving him a longer braking distance), we have to look at what happened next. Now what else contributed in part to this perfect storm of conditions? Ironically, its bunching together, which the narrator claims they did for safety. However, this is clearly the most unsafe way to ride. Especially doubling up and "lane sharing". There's no reason to be doing this. You're not Ponch and John, and you aren't in traffic, so there's no reason to be sharing lanes with other vehicles, especially when you're on a single lane roadway to begin with - you have absolutely no margin for error. Lastly as already noted, most of these riders lack any protective gear, then ensuring any injuries sustained will be far more severe than if they had been wearing said gear. And I get its a pleasure ride, great weather, people are enjoying the warm air and sun. Last thing you want on a beautiful day is to be sweating in your leathers looking like the Stig. However, every piece of gear you don't don on that ride is another potential injury area you are risking should the worst happen. And on this day, it did. The factors all aligned and produced something that few could have predicted, although everyone who rides should intuit that literally anything CAN happen. That's why you put on gear. You cannot predict what will happen, when, or where. But you can imagine, based on prior observations, that it *can* happen at nearly any time.
The car turned left through a double yellow and cut the biker off. Causing an accident. The Car is primarily at fault. As to the gear; dumb as hell? Yes. However nothing to do with the cause of the accident. Thankfully you are a former accident investigator not a currently active one.
@@karolpodk1018 The double yellow has no bearing in this. People are allowed to turn in driveways across the double yellow. As far as the car driver it was a bone head move to turn in front of the bikers instead of waiting. If the bikers kept proper distance from each other this would not have happened. Everyone made poor choices that day.
This is why in Australia helmets are compulsory. An unprotected head smack into the road is lethal. As you said, it only takes a split second for things to go awfully wrong. I’m so sorry for those riders who went down.
don’t be so stupid. Of course it makes a difference. You have obviously no experience of hitting two ton vehicles or being involved with the emergency services. What a dummy
@@NCLUSA The same could be said for an unlucky small car driver in certain circumstances. When riding a motorcycle and where safety is concerned it is virtually always smarter to ride safely and wear the appropriate safety/protective gear. Common sense.
@@NCLUSA obviously some things can't be avoided. But you'll agree there are times when a helmet clearly helps. How does your freedom matter when your head is reduced to blood n bone?
I do not understand that center line method of driving. I see local bikers actually cross over the double lines into my lane at times. I am not risking catching a wheel/tire off the drop of our poorly maintained road shoulders. I expect one day to bag a biker with my side mirror. Oh well.
Center line riding is the best way to ride,,,gives the rider better vision to the front,,puts you where you are more visible and gives you a lot more room to evade,,,ditch is not an option
I'm 57 years old, and my only bad accident happened when I was 17... I still ride to this day, but I make it a point to never ride directly beside someone or in the front of the pack. And in 43 years of riding I've NEVER gone without my helmet.. Yes they are hot and uncomfortable, but I would much rather be hot and uncomfortable than dead..!!!! Prayers to all, Ride Safe Everyone..!!!!
The woman who pulled in front of the motorcyclists is in big trouble. She’ll probably have to pay a fine of about 100 dollars. Life is cheap on a motorcycle.
At the end of the day, the rider didn't come prepared. He lost control of his bike by locking the front brake. If his skills were up to it, he would have stayed on. And if he'd had his gear on, he might of at least limped away, conscious, in the circumstances that he found himself in. Was the car driver in the wrong? Absolutely. There's no arguing that. But that car could have just as easily been a deer, a dog or a young child. You've got to prepare for when it happens, not if it happens. Ask me how I know!
@@archcunningham5579 He had time to put a helmet and leathers on. He had time to apply the front brake, too, and he did. He just didn't do it well. His friend behind him had time to think that he needed another 30' of space in front of him and do something about it. That didn't happen, either.
But - this motorcycle group is Highly disorganized! You ALL should have been in a 'Staggered Formation', and NOT sharing lanes, possibly even single-file at this particular point! The speaker on this video was equally as guilty of this! I would have gotten out of this ride as soon as I saw such disorganization. You guys are creating your own problems!
👍 Some of the most dangerous people on the road are motorcyclists. You tell car drivers they neeyd to smarten up, pay attention, pass laws against car drivers when motorcyclists are more than guilty of dangerous driving. I live near Laconia. A nightmare in NH. Stop making it cars that need to held accountable.
@@lilytheboycatabsolutely not. If you ride, you know. People in cars not paying attention are far more dangerous than almost anything else on the road.
Absolutely sadly, i ride a bright yellow small motorcycle dressed in bright yellow (mail delivery) and atleast once a week usually more a car pulls out infront of me, I now watch every single car assuming im some how invisible, I've even had a couple look right at me then pull out🤔 @karolpodk1018
100% agree with helmet use. I worked many years Life Flight, Trauma Medicine, ICUs and have seen several otherwise survivable fatalities. I've even seen a fatality in a driveway when a person dumped the bike and hit head hit the edge of the curb breaking open his skull. I rode bicycles and dumped once cracking my helmet. Other than a little road rash, I continued my ride home. Helmets save lives.
@@wesjohnson3035 You must be more knowledgeable in this field of trauma medicine than all of the world's experts. Thank you That was sarcasm if you didn't understand that.
@@wesjohnson3035 the only reason I'm texting this is because of a helmet. I guarantee you I've crashed more than most and I'm still here. between motocross and street....ya. also your neck injury won't matter when your brain is leaking out on the ground. 👍👍
@@wesjohnson3035 The research has been done for jeez.. 100 years now? I don’t think your neck, and back injuries will matter when your brain matter is spewed all over the asphalt like some “modern artwork”. But hey, if it’s legal to ride without a helmet in your state, who am I to say your brain matter isn’t art
I’m retired from EMS and unfortunately have had to many of these calls over the years. Some that will stick with me for a lifetime because the images never leave you. The majority, not all being were someone couldn’t have a little patience and wait that extra 15 seconds. I’m so so sorry about your fallen brothers and sisters. Sending love and prayers and a speedy recovery to them and all of you!
I was in the right career wouldn’t have traded it for anything. I loved what I did it was the most rewarding job ever. I said I had some images that would last a life time. Anyone who’s ever did what we did for a living has calls that will stick with them whether good or bad. Reading way to much into what I said. Some calls just stick with you doesn’t mean you can’t handle your job I call it being a human being. If nothing ever affected anyone I would find that more concerning. Thank you for your service!
I’ve been scooped off the ground after being hit head-on on my bike. I can not thank you two enough for having a passion to rescue while potentially putting yourself in harms way. Thank you Thank you Thank you!!! Love, JM
Look at the way these guys are riding. Everyone is speeding, going left of center, recklessly squirreling around in the lane, on and on.. Who want's to be anywhere near these idiots on their little Virtue Signalling gang ride.
Dopey car drivers hurt us everyday. That why I ALWAYS wear gloves jacket Kevlar jeans and of course a helmet. This has saved me from great hurt more than once. Please wear the gear.
You said you normally don't go on poker runs, and let me tell you it is for good reason. A friend of mine was a successful MD with a thriving practice and patients who adored him. He went on a poker run and some inexperienced rider wiped out causing a massive pile up. My friend lost his leg as a result, and it altered the trajectory of his life in a horrible way. His daily pain and abnormal gate caused him to stop seeing patients so he closed his practice, his wife divorced him, and he was never the same. I myself who has rode bikes since I was 16 rarely ride anymore, because of all the texting zombies on their phones today.
@@bill6732 Don't drive a motorbike you'd have less chance of biting it on the road. How about that? Take responsibility for your own careless choices. 😂
@@Fiveash-Art With that logic you shouldn't ever do anything and should lock yourself into a padded bunker. Even then you still have to eat, but you could choke while eating. Also you shouldn't breath oxygen since oxygen is a free radical and decays chemical and cellular structures leading to aging and death living organisms.
Sad, but as a rider myself, I always assume that every car on the road is going to turn in front of me. These bikers were too thick and riding too close to the center line, even crossing over it several times, which is also unacceptable. It is illegal to ride side by side, staggered is the required driving technique and if that was done properly, this poor guy that ran into the back of the other biker, would likely not have hit him. Biking is fun, but you have to be aware of everyone and everything at all times. People in cars can be idiots and they do some really dumb things but sometimes it can be something as simple as sunlight in their eyes, or a dirty windshield that can cause them to do such things, so be aware and ride your bike safely. I rarely ride anymore because of cellphone users. I have had more close calls on my bike in the last 5 years, than I have had in the previous 40 years before that.
Very somber stuff. You did a great job with your narration and close up of the accident. Really made me emotional. You're 100% right about not enough advocacy for us as riders.
I been feeling weird the last two days like I’m still in a dream state. Can not believe how she couldn’t wait 15 more seconds for the last 15 bikes to pass
@@0hi0hdmcmy job is driving a simi for Coke, for the most part people seem eager to kill to save a couple of seconds, I've been "pulled out in front of" many times on my bike and "pushed out of my lane" . I don't dare carry a gun 😳
Awful event here. Wish all the best to the injured riders. Too many people/drivers out there are crazy, they exercise terrible decision making skills & hurt or kill people. Didn’t look like she was helping with accident scene she created. Of course not. I was seconds behind a car caused accident with a motorcycle, terrible injuries to the 2 on motorcycle, literally laid out on hot blacktop in summer on busiest road in Pensacola, car driver was about 1/8 mile tucked away, she didn’t lift a finger to help the accident scene, real POS!
Yes, we've all heard that cliche a million times. ON the flip side of the helmet debate, the reason it is illegal to drive a passenger vehicle wearing a helmet is because it dulls your senses. Cuts into your peripheral vision and deafens you if wearing a full helmet. The last 10 years of riding I did so with a half helmet, seeing how drivers of autos were becoming less and less attentive.
A dear friend was killed recently, he was wearing a half helmet. He died from a brain injury. I am assuming he looked real bad, for the ER Doctor wouldn't allow the family to see him.
@@coloradomountainman8659Eso será en EEUU. Aquí en Europa esa teoría no se sostiene. Está demostrado que usando protecciones baja la estadística de lesiones y fallecimientos. Otra cosa son las distracciones de los conductores y las temeridad es conduciendo.
@@coloradomountainman8659 I'd love to buy whatever helmet 'deafened' you, that'd be killer for wind noise, I wouldn't have to even wear ear plugs! :p As for vision, maybe get a helmet with a very wide FOV like a k6 or something like that, or just get used to turning your head for shoulder checks (which you should anyway, as peripheral vision shouldn't be wholly trusted). Though I guess if the overwhelmingly grim statistics on fully helmeted VS un-helmeted riders in regards to fatalities and brain injuries doesn't persuade you, you probably don't have much to lose up there anyway. Consider the first responders that have to stare at your brain matter oozing out of your skull.
Both my wife and I sold our motorcycles in 2015 after her jeep was rear-ended. A 21 year old woman was texting and driving and had the nerve to tell the police officer she was “trying to smash a bug that flew into her vehicle”. By some miracle my wife did not ride her motorcycle to work that day, deciding to take her jeep instead...otherwise she would have been dead. We sold both our motorcycles after that.
As an old motorcykle driver since -74, driving this fast and close in such an area without protective gear is just asking for problem it's just a matter of time before an accident happens
Right there with you... had a Honda CL 360 in 74..The and a 550-4 in 76..Dangerous back then.. A kid in a RD-350 wanted to always race me for titles I laughed. he crashed and nearly died..He was never cocky again..
I hope they survived. The one on the road looked extremely bad, and came down so hard. I know everyone was in shock but that man was sort of left for too long without checking his airway so I really hope he is ok.
I cannot say I'm surprised. The impact on that road , and the position without any protection , was horrific. Protection doesn't save everyone but it sure increases the odds. I hope his family are ok.@@W0mpW0mp999
It’s totally bizarre to me why these individuals don’t protect themselves with leathers or decent clothing, and it’s plainly suicidal not to wear a helmet to protect your head!!!
I sold my last bike because of people on their phones and pulling out in front of me. The last time this happened I was about 15 houses away from my house when I thought I had eye contact with the driver of a pickup that was stopped at a 2 way stop and a 4 way intersection. I was wrong as he must have just looked over to a guy in the drivers front seat as he was talking and he didn't see my glaring high beam. Anyway I was going about 25 mph when he pulled into my path and stopped right in front of me! I grabbed my front and rear brakes for everything I had in me and the rear end came up. When I came to a stop I was about 2 feet from the passenger front door. When the back tire came back down the bike was a little sideways then I stuck my right leg out to brace myself and the bike from falling over and this caused me to jamb my leg hard into my crotch and hip area. The damage was done to that area making it hard to walk for a few weeks,. It felt like a knife was being jabbed into the area where my leg bends at my crotch. Needless to say the bike went up for sale and it was gone in 3 days after posting. That was 35 years of riding tossed away. I really miss my bikes.😔 I hope these unfortunate riders pull through. I said a prayer for them.
That scenario sounds EXACTLY like what happened to me twenty years ago. Supposed eye contact and the whole bit except for no jammed leg. Chased that idiot down and, um, raised my voice at him and his old lady just a bit...to where they looked like deer in headlights. Just disgusting, inconsiderate morons who shouldn't have a license. Maybe they woke up after that. Doubt it, though. Unreal how irresponsible and carless people are out there. Also, riding in a group is more like sitting, not actually riding. Paying attention to front and back, who is where and all of that. Forget it. If you can find one or two or maybe three bros to "ride with" then that is superb, 'cause you'd know each others' style and moves. Anything else is asking for trouble. Not excusing the irresponsible cagers, just tabulating what is as opposed to what should be, and I act accordingly. From southern California ~ Ride Forever!
