Charles and Camila's Private Dinner | The Crown (Josh O'Connor, Tobias Menzies) 

Why accidentally? You can root for them.

"fully" I'm guessing😅😅 not that important, not attacking at all..

I mean, that is the unspoken truth for anyone in a hereditary position...you get nothing until the current title holder passes away, whether it's royalty or the aristocracy. Unless they abdicate, which you do see in other European royal families, but not in this one, usually.

This is fiction, not the truth.

@@gnas3390 Didn't Charles say a similar thing to Charles Spencer when John Spencer died?

@@stevebbuk9557 Both Charles and Charles Edward Spencer felt the same way about their parent who held the title. Unfortunately, Charles E. Spencer has followed in his father's (and grandfather's) footsteps regarding his treatment of his 3 wives (He is now being divorced from wife #3)

How about the two people whose actions were at someone else’s expense being the parents of Diana who divorced when she was eight. Didn’t that divorce of her parents shape her destiny more than the divorce from her husband?

@@Johngeorgesmith what does the divorce of her parents have to do with the fact that her husband cheated on her? There are many, many, mny people who come from a family were parents weren't together and why still were and are very happily married.

@@normadesmond6017 Diana’s parents divorced when she was very young and vulnerable. I believe she was also a very sensitive child and their divorce which was not pleasant btw scarred her psyche for her life. It left an empty hole in her and a tremendous and unfortunate neediness for love and attention which really no one person could fill completely nor the attention and admiration of the world. You see, when parents divorce and their child is young and perhaps more sensitive than the average child, those parents are taking the chance of making their child a broken empty person for life because the divorce destroys the child’s sense of stability. Many intelligent and compassionate parents know so they will postpone an inevitable divorce until their children are at least 18 and off to college or work and have developed a more stable psyche. Diana’s parents set the course for her turbulent and troubled life. Charles for sure had his own childhood issues and that made them both a horrible match. Two people with deep insecurities looking to the other insecure partner to support them. Unfortunately the wounds of Diana’s parents divorce at young age made her the more broken of the two. Camilla, who came from a more stable, non-divorced family, and who is a stronger person mentally and psychologically was the right match to prop up insecure Charles. He needed Camilla to get through the pressure cooker life he was born into. Diana and Charles were two drowning souls of little or no use to one another. Charles, the stronger of the two, found his life raft in Camilla and ultimately he had a strong instinct to survive. Unfortunately Diana never found that life raft she was always looking for since her parents set her up for a troubled life when they divorced when she was too young to handle it. Does that make sense?

@@normadesmond6017 Also, is it not true that all children of divorce become broken people in some way and to some degree? No child wants to be a child of divorce.

​@@JohngeorgesmithThat is wholly separate from the subject they are talking about. It doesn't negate what Charles and Camilla did at all and it is ironic how you focus on Diana and her parents being divorced but not about her sons being impacted by the divorce.

Just like Wallis .

no it was a set up for the trick card

William is a scumbag too. Cheating on Cathrine.

I think it was a way of showing us how Camilla "gets" Charles in ways Diana never could.

@@AndyBluebear-fi9om I can see that. Yes. Personally, I don’t like Charles and I truly LOATHE Camilla. She’s frumpy and plain and just not Diana-but to each his own. He wanted Miss Camilla and he got her. But calling Camilla a queen just makes me ill quite frankly. To me there’s nothing graceful or royal about her.

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Wasn't he single when they first hooked up?

He wasn't married when they began dating, Diana came after her

@@xashes6552 Yeah, Diana was the real sidepiece, not Camilla.

A good man? He betrayed his wife and children time and time again. He was jealous and small. A worm of a man.

Måneskin - Beggin'

That’s why he didn’t want Harry and Meghan to leave because he was jealous he couldn’t do the same.

That’s cos it’s funny only to him.

I think the real point is Charles should never have been forced into marrying Diana in the 1st place based on such ridiculous requirements. He was never allowed to marry as he wanted b/c of his role. Remember there was a huge age gap between the 2 of them as well. His family wanted it. Her family wanted it. She never really understood it was not a love match.

@@lizetteolsen3218 EXACTLY! >"She [Diana] never really understood it was not a love match"< *That (above) is the root of the problem!* 1.) *She was young and naive.* She was young, had a lot of silly notions about romance (her step- grandmother's novels were her her first choice of reading material) 2.) *Lack of parental guidance* She came from a very dysfunctional home. All of the siblings detested their step-mother. The two older girls were already at boarding school; that left Diana and Charles Edward at home to deal with her. Both were packed off to boarding school at a very young age -- asap to get them out of the house (look what happened to her brother!) 3.) Charles and Diana barely knew each other (12 dates?) when they got married.

Huh? Word salad makes no sense

That’s Emerald Fennell. She comes from an aristocratic family and is also a movie director. She directed “Saltburn”.

Emerald Fennell

A beautiful prison is still a prison.

That's Depression for you, bud. Can't buy your way out of it.

@@teddykgb3865 Too bad HMTQ didn't arrange for Andrew Parker-Bowles (career military) and his Mrs. to be transferred abroad for a couple of years. There is no way that they could have kept that house in Gloucester if he was not stationed in UK. (Gloucester is in western England, not too far from Wales. Camilla's family is from "Camilla was raised in East Sussex and South Kensington in England, UK" Andrew Parker-Bowles was born in Surrey and was raised in Berkshire. Both in SE England.

He should have tried to make things work with Harry and Meghan.

@@tiffanyferguson829he was jealous of them eclipsing him exactly like he was jealous of Diana. Very insecure and needy man. Not great traits for a king! 😒

@@tiffanyferguson829harry married trash

Charles did not want, nor was he encouraged to take on the responsibility of marriage and children at a younger age. He was very happy to be a playboy prince and to have multiple affairs, many with other men's wives. It appears that he was taking advice from both uncle Dickie and the Duke of Windsor.

@@tiffanyferguson829 Charles wasn't the problem with Harry and Meghan. Harry's jealousy of his brother and Meghan's refusal to bend to royal rules and to respect HMTQ was the problem. [Meghan had the mistaken notion that her behavior would change a 1,000 year institution] Neither William or Harry were thrilled when their father married Camilla. But William realized that if Camilla made Charles happy it was better for his father to not be alone. In all fairness, Camilla has been very nice to Catherine and she has tried to be a good grandmother to George, Charlotte and Louis. For his part, Charles has tried to get on with Camilla's children and welcomed her grandchildren too. William and Catherine do not hang out with Camilla's children/grandchildren but they are on friendly terms which makes the holidays and vacations pleasant.

He was. So was Diana

A bunch of crybabies. Anyone else in their position would be galloping about on their twenty gorgeous horses having the time of their lives.

Diana just shone. It came naturally,

less straightforwardly and singularly than you do. Buck up. Look more deeply, express yourself more precisely.

Always did ,you can see where Harry got his whining from

That says way more about you than him. Sorry but how can you include that man on the same list as murdering psychos? Over 40% of married couples divorce - are they also all to be condemned?

​​@@lucindaarmour4685 In my opinion, if we had laws to punish cheaters, they would be less of them. How is it complicated to broke up with someone if you want to sleep with someone else? Cheating shouldn't be so frequent.

​@@bulbasaurtheboss4420 There are countries that have laws for cheaters. The same countries that strip women of their rights. Women accused of adultery (that would include Diana) are incarcerated and executed. Be very careful what you wish for. In liberated nations we understand that human will is free. As it should be. People should stay in a relationship through choice, not law.

​@@lucindaarmour7422 I didn't say people should be executed, and as justice is supposed to be, you should have to give some proofs in that case. And it shouldn't apply only for women obviously. Law punish those who commited murders but they're not executed in my country, death penalty is not possible anymore here for years, so it didn't cross my mind. So you don't have to dramatize everything, we can obviously have laws without that bad things resulting.

@@bulbasaurtheboss4420 Totally agree but its a very slippery slope. What restrictions would you like on peoples private lives and autonomy? What exactly would they be fined for? What acts, what intentions, what relationships? We are all impacted by infedelity but creating law around free will between consenting adults is a deeply dangerous road to treat. And is no deterent. You will remember the decades whites and blacks were not allowed to be in relationships in South Africa during the appartied era. It didnt work. Love is love. Attraction is attraction. Prison time did not deter them.

God bless him, sad that his position makes him easy prey to female schemers like that adultress

@@MegaJohny56takes two to tango…

@@AgentClaytonWebb this is true

@@MegaJohny56 She is the love of his life, regardless.

@@MegaJohny56How was she the schemer if he kept repeatedly reaching out to her? She was the only woman who could make him happy so he kept seeking her out and she gave in, perhaps out of pity for him, not wanting him to be totally miserable without her which in all likelihood he would be if she rejected him.

Diana was 19. Your nasty vicious attack on her is just reminiscent of the total failure of her family too, to be loving and nurturing. Diana was the one the mattered to most of us. They could never stand again after we’d seen her. And were expected to endure adulterers and hypocrites.

@@Kate-lk6tw Yes, Diana was 19 when she got engaged. She may have been immature for her age but she knew which side her bread was buttered on. She knew going into the marriage that Charles’ heart was engaged elsewhere and she went through with the wedding anyway because she wanted to be Princess of Wales so bad she could taste it. Both families in this match were keeping a lot of very nasty secrets from each other because the elders on both sides were determined that this dynastic marriage go forward. Charles and the royal family were hiding the fact that Charles never really intended to be faithful; meanwhile the Spencer family was hiding Diana’s mental instability. The match was doomed from the off. Both sides played a part to each other to get what they wanted, and then they couldn’t live with the terms of what they had done. Charles certainly was an adulterous hypocrite…. So was Diana. She retaliated for Camila by sleeping with a dozen men, most of whom were married. To punish Charles, she threw herself down the stairs at Sandringham while she was pregnant with William. It wasn’t an actual suicide attempt but she could’ve killed the baby. On another occasion when she was in her 30s, she shoved her stepmother Raine down the stairs at Althorp. I’d say that qualifies as a “vicious attack”. Diana was done wrong by, but she got her own back, and her children suffered the collateral damage. Saint Diana was a myth she created with the aid of the press.