@@ProGamer-dr1nm You need to listen . Most of Charles life he has done good and is rational unlike crazed James. Just because all players want the best super teams, doesn't mean fans or owners or the commissioner shouldn't get involved to stop that monopoly.
@@oppothumbs1 done good? the guy that almost went broke because of his gambling addiction, got arrested for a DUI, got arrested for assault TWICE? That Charles Barkley?
Man when Shaq told Chuck, "I would've punched you in the face had you said that to me" And then Chuck said, "First of you're not a great fighter" with that calmness and coolness I not only died laughing but Shaq's face just had me howling with laughter!
Bro same here lmao every now and then (like tonight) I come back and go down an Inside The NBA rabbit hole and always make sure to come to this clip to get a good ass laugh! Shaqs face 🤣
@@FoxExcess I can see that side of it for sure…which why Kenny said, “It’s about perspective.” But, I can relate to Charles’ take more. To me, he said compete. LeBron James “competes” between the out of bounds lines on the basketball court. Therefore he is criticizing the guy’s in-game drive…his actions & demeanor while in a professional capacity. Again, to me, that is professional and not personal. Had Charles said LeBron doesn’t want to compete because he was dating, and didn’t go on a second date with a girl he was interested in because she went on a date with another guy 3 days before…well, that would be personal and not professional.
@@FoxExcess Nah. "personal" as in bron took shots at Chuck's personal life. Saying his opinion about his work ethic etc aint the same as talking about someones past troubles in their personal life.
“I did some stupid things in my life, that doesn’t make my argument less valid“ Exactly, Charles Barkley strictly discussed basketball, and LeBron James didn’t like what he had to say, so he instead decided to sling ad hominem attacks at Charles Barkley. Anybody who knows anything about logical fallacies and debates knows that this was a pretty clear and obvious win for Charles Barkley
No question. It’s not even a debate (imo). I may be wrong, but I think this is the only mistake LBJ’s made in his career (“the decision” maybe). LeBron was 100% wrong here, but honestly, speaks volumes about his character too. He’s a great smart guy who got in his feelings and made a mistake. Wish he would apologize to CB, even if it is 10 years late.
Imagine being Charles, one of the greatest of all time, getting constantly put down for never getting a ring despite almost single-handedly bringing your team to the finals and losing to Michael Jordan, and seeing the 2nd best player in history complain about lack of talent with two other all stars and co-champions as teammates. Of course you’re going to say something. It’s your job to say something and then Lebron comes back and acts like you just insulted his mother and his manhood and tries to tear you down as a human being. I love Lebron but that was one of his worst moments. Really the perfect addition to his over-sensitive reputation.
That's why I can never have lebron as goat no matter what he does. He is such a pathetic whiny bitch. He is basically both coach and a gm. He is all nice with you. He will have a cringy handshake with you and after the game he will go on and trade you behind your back. Say what you want about mj and kobe but they always pushed their teammates to the limits they may seem like sociopats to us but they ultimately made their teammates winners. And honestly I would rather have teammate who will insult me and scream at me if I suck and ultimatley make me a winner than a teammate who is all nice than goes and trades you behind your back.
When black was protesting of killing unarmed black by policeman, he did not stand for justice he those black like wild wild west, LeBron James stood by the little man, Charles Barkley is a hater.
Because he got bodied. Shaq is 100% right here and anyone with an IQ higher than a rock would agree. “He don’t want to compete” -Charles Barkley That’s not basketball. That’s personal. It’s plain as day. And then Lebron went personal and now Chuck hasn’t said anything about competing since this day. But because everyone loves Chuck and hates Lebron, they side with Chuck.
Man every star he played with was on their way out, they were not in their prime. Lebron played with people in their prime, he’s had help. Charles never had that help to the same level Lebron did.
This segment was outstanding. In just this clip, it shows: - The absolute brilliance of Chuck. What a class act. - The divide between Shaq and Chuck/Kenny in maturity. Shaq laughing mockingly in the background is just childish almost. - Chuck’s self confidence is unmatched. Not only does he take the hit from LBJ - he doubles down and turns the convo by saying: “He left out a couple stupid things I did.” Strength is when you can calmly criticize yourself, take ownership and stand up tall without hiding.
@@kod999 I liked it, thought I'd share. Never hurts to share appreciation and respect for people/things/life - especially these days when it can be hard to find.
@Singleaf Singleafnow @Singleaf Singleafnow If that was for me, I am not saying Lebron was wrong, but attacking the person is an old kind of argument, rethoric, whatever. It existed long before the "social media generation".
Chuck was 100% correct. Saying someone doesn't want to compete is NOT personal. LeBron was so sensitive and took it personal. Let's not act like LeBron doesn't have any skeletons in his closet either. He controls his media and narrative. I'm glad we still have Charles Barkley on TV.
Lebron aka narcissist takes any criticism as a personal attack..So in there head they have to come back at you..They go harder when you really hit them with the truth..
@@tryingtochangemyways5074 the lebron fans are even worse. u say anything negative about him ..his fans will attack u personally. it happened to me in the comment section.
@kodyscot9360 Oh that's because narcissist tend know others like themselves..And they align with them..I had a former friend who discovered was a narcissist..And he had a weird sick obsession with lebron and Joe Budden..Both are narcissist btw..And yes you find a particular fan going above and beyond..They tend to be narcissist as well..This is why they cant be reason with they live in a delusional state of life already and how they feel is a fact..Because with narcissist it's feeling over facts
@Mike Demirdjian only stupid people think the United States is hypocrisy lol smart people were never fooled by the United States to call them a hypocrite we been knew what this country was and adapted correctly Sorry you a sheep 🐑
@@Threezus17 that article was posted dec 13 2020 about Irvin, so that rapid response you gave “2021” like I was definitely wrong, Leave those rapid responses to the smart people your brain is not built to answer in haste!!! Haste means excessive speed, or urgency of action; or hurry.
Kenny really do have some solid moments on the show. I really like how he stood up for charles while at the same time being fair to both lebron and chuck.
Are you stupid or are you stupid? This video was from 2017, the season right after Kevin Durant joined the 73-9 Warriors. Lebron made the statement because his team got worse while the best regular season team in NBA history just added the 2nd best player in the world. Lebron's not worried about the rest of the competition, the guy has owned the East since 2012, and he's only focused on Golden State and the Championship. Charles Barkley not thinking the Cavs needed more to beat the Warriors is still in the top 3 dumbest takes he's ever had. Later in the finals, despite Lebron being the first player in NBA history to average a 34-point triple-double on great efficiency, the Cavs got gentlemen swept in the finals against a Warriors team that ONLY LOST ONE GAME the entire postseason. Also, he said he wouldn't make it personal, then proceeded to state that "Lebron doesn't want to compete." How is that not personal? Dumb asf comment.
I would have dropped dead 25 years ago if you would have told me that Chuck would be one of the most respected and loved figures in the league. Good for you Chuck!
Amen. Charles Barkley has become one of the few voices on tv that I trust as his truth. The man is a breath of fresh air. You would've laughed in my face if told you this was in the future and I would've been laughing right along with you.
@@clarencewalder2985 and that is a important thing. Freedom of speech. I respect you for your opinion. My mother does not like Charles Barkley, either. She thought he was mean when he played. I agree with her that early on, he was an ass. The reason I like him is not that I agree with him. Rather, I like him because I trust he speaks what he is truly thinking.
mj already had the best team big difference lebron didnt have a great front office they traded kyrie for isaiah fuckin thomas mj had scottie rodman steve kerr and their own gm scouted kukoc one of the best european players ever to top it off with phil jackson as head coach mj had everything given on a silver platter while cavs gave him old dwayne wade and injured derrick rose
Charles is the main reason I watched. He is fair and is not afraid to criticize anyone. You can tell from Charles’ tone he is a tough cookie, matured and very calmly spoken.. cool guy!
Charles was actually correct and Shaq was 100% wrong. People act like LeBron is half god and can't be criticized, goodness why do so many people kiss his ass so much? I have family that get angry with me because I criticize his game sometimes. Sports is about analyzing, and everybody doesn't see the game the same way. Now he's down and out with the Lakers injured, but he went out behind the scenes and recruited Anthony Davis to save himself from criticism from leaving Cleveland. I like the dude, but damn he acts like a straight up pussy sometimes. He made PERSONAL attacks on Charles, when Chuck kept it with strictly basketball.
This what kd meant when he said players don’t want to play with his toxic atmosphere. If you need more it’s ok but when you’re beggin for others to save you and calling yourself the goat when you have two other allstars playing with you that’s when you look delusional
@@freegucci4380 you're dumb af. He needed more cause he saw that they werent gonna beat the warriors and he was right. You wanted him to make an excuse after they lost instead of being proactive ? please don't be this stupid dawg
Are you stupid or are you stupid? This video was from 2017, the season right after Kevin Durant joined the 73-9 Warriors. Lebron made the statement because his team got worse while the best regular season team in NBA history just added the 2nd best player in the world. Lebron's not worried about the rest of the competition, the guy has owned the East since 2012, and he's only focused on Golden State and the Championship. Charles Barkley not thinking the Cavs needed more to beat the Warriors is still in the top 3 dumbest takes he's ever had. Later in the finals, despite Lebron being the first player in NBA history to average a 34-point triple-double on great efficiency, the Cavs got gentlemen swept in the finals against a Warriors team that ONLY LOST ONE GAME the entire postseason. Also, he said he wouldn't make it personal, then proceeded to state that "Lebron doesn't want to compete." How is that not personal? Dumb asf comment.
I have mad respect for Shaq; however, he's trying to make his point by misquoting what Charles said. Charles didn't say he didn't want to compete. Charles actually asked the question, does he not want to compete. That's completely different from what Shaq is saying. And I'm not a huge fan of Charles sometimes, but Charles is 100% correct this particular time.
This video was from 2017, the season right after Kevin Durant joined the 73-9 Warriors. Lebron made the statement because his team got worse while the best regular season team in NBA history just added the 2nd best player in the world. Lebron's not worried about the rest of the competition, the guy has owned the East since 2012, and he's only focused on Golden State and the Championship. Charles Barkley not thinking the Cavs needed more to beat the Warriors is still in the top 3 dumbest takes he's ever had. Later in the finals, despite Lebron being the first player in NBA history to average a 34-point triple-double on great efficiency, the Cavs got gentlemen swept in the finals against a Warriors team that ONLY LOST ONE GAME the entire postseason. There's a reason Chuck never won a ring, his philosophy is completely wrong. Like Shaq said, "Chuck doesn't know what it means to go back-to-back." If repeating was so easy why doesn't every team who wins the championship just bring everyone back and win it again. Absolutely ridiculous.
Crazy, Charles definition of personal is the right one. He s asking if he doesn t want to compete... It is something different than reply, you are a hater, you threw someone into a window, you spit on a kid ... Those are things Chuck paid for and I don t understand why Lebron had to say that on tv. Lebron made a mistake, maybe his first and only. Can t blame charles as he shows so much respect to this game and he s shouting out loud LJ is the best so ... Bullshit lol
jaidenxk Forbes This is but another one of the arguments why this guy is never going to be GOAT. When Jordan went down before the start of their dynasty, he went down swinging. This is more than i can say for LeFlop.😂
Jeremy Kilgore ,, And Chuck was 100% correct. To shine,, L J. needs to put the weight of winning and the x-o's to the rest of the team,, so they gotta be great enough to keep the defense honest so he can CONCENTRATE on BEING the Star!! When I hear L J. in the same sentence or even same conversation with Mike,, it sickens me!! NEVER WILL BE another JORDAN!! give it up Quit crying, and play the game Lebron!!
I rarely to never hear white people talk about fighting when trying to have a regular conversation, why is it that fighting is last ditch retort in almost every conversation with black people?
Wow this may be the first time i appreciated kenny’s basketball analysis greatly. He actually made a great analogy to supplement his point of perspective, which initially went over my head.
this scene is a testament to the greatness of the show. you have barkley responding in an educated manner to the erroneous backlash he received for doing his job as an nba talkshow host. you have kenny describing how twitter will only put a spotlight on negative comments without reward or value placed on anything positive. you have ernie mediating who responds by facing his body toward em (amazing host). and you have shaq being sensitive, but still offering a much needed antagonistic perspective to go off of. everyone in this show is incredible
I absolutely agree. Even in a case where I think it’s pretty clear to say Shaq isn’t really taking a solidly reasoned position, he still offers the much needed counter, is plenty patient enough to let the other dudes finish their points, and has some legitimate basis to from his points (he’s done those things and he’s been in those positions)
Shaq gets stuck in his argument and then gets stuck in a tunnel thinking he’s right. He didn’t get that LeBron took chucks comments personally but he let loose on Chuck with a personal attack. They’re such different things too. Sometimes the big fella needs to understand he’s wrong lol
@@younglove3362 Given LeBron's track record with trying to stack the deck and take the easy way out, nothing Barkley said was out of line. Besides, LeBron didn't actually respond to Chuck's argument. He just went down the avenuen of ad hominem because he knows Barkley is right
Shaq is just being childish. Any other time, tell him that he didn't win his rings but his teammates did, he'll be frothing at the mouth and start shouting that you should Google him
So, so true!!!! Great quote! If he is so great then find the way to win and not loose. Play defense, make free throws! Shaq has a valid comment of finding better players that support you... but greatness finds a way to win even if your sick...Michael Jordan.
Are you stupid or are you stupid. This video was from 2017, the season right after Kevin Durant joined the 73-9 Warriors. Lebron made the statement because his team got worse while the best regular season team in NBA history just added the 2nd best player in the world. Lebron's not worried about the rest of the competition, the guy has owned the East since 2012, and he's only focused on Golden State and the Championship. Charles Barkley not thinking the Cavs needed more to beat the Warriors is still in the top 3 dumbest takes he's ever had. Later in the finals, despite Lebron being the first player in NBA history to average a 34-point triple-double on great efficiency, the Cavs got gentlemen swept in the finals against a Warriors team that ONLY LOST ONE GAME the entire postseason. There's a reason Chuck never won a ring, his philosophy is completely wrong. Like Shaq said, "Chuck doesn't know what it means to go back-to-back." If repeating was so easy why doesn't every team who wins the championship just bring everyone back and win it again. Absolutely ridiculous.
Love shaq. But most of the time when barkley going at an nba player he goes against Chuck. Kenny has never been my favorite and jokes and is sensitive at times but man he was backing his boy up here. Shaq trying to do whatever he can cause he knows leflop is loved. Little did he know 90% of humans seen right through shaq here. Disappointed me. Chuck is a boss and best media guy and only real media guy left.
5:49 Chuck is right. If he’d have been wrong, LeBron wouldn’t have lost his cool. He’d have laughed it off. Clearly, the truth hit a nerve. Deep down LBJ KNOWS Charles had a point. And he didn’t like it. Cause it was true. Number one sign you’ve won the argument: your opponent goes off-topic, and resorts to personal insults. You’ve got him. You’re in his head.
I like Lebron a lot. I appreciate what he’s done for the game, and it’s been awesome having him in the league so long. He’s kinda just dumb and juvenile outside of basketball. Not his fault. His sole focus since he was a kid has been basketball. Hasn’t left much room for smarts or emotional maturity. Chuck totally right about him. He’s great and he got four rings but not the way Jordan, Kobe, or Steph did by working with what they got. Being able to be traded each year or surround himself with the exact people he wants is less competitive.
@@dennissimmons5126yeah, drop him from the list. Point still stands. Bron attacked the messenger but the message was true. Bron feels he’s entitled to “championships.” He’s not
He handled it well afterwards because of how stupid lebron made Charles look. U can’t say that someone who is arguable the greatest to play the game, doesn’t want to compete that’s personal.
Well true but no man can handle it like that because on Charles criticism that means Lebron is a hater! And he would destroy chuck for saying what he did on his comments and he’s not going to stick on what he said because some people think he’s an idiot so yeah
What's ironic is that Charles can't fight either!! He flings his arms like someone drowning in water, then tries to wrestle his combatant to the floor.
@@tjleaf3510 Still had an awesome career and life, made many mistakes and grew as a man we see today. That's life's ultimate win, no amount of championships can stack up to that...
SHAQ always just sit there waiting for everyone to be done talking, like he about to say the same wisest shit you ever heard lol but 90% of the time he’s wrong. Chuck was all the way right on this one.
Chuck sticks to speaking his mind in any situation so the producers tell shaq to say the opposite no matter how stupid it is .. its just for views .. same as Steven A and max .
This made my RESPECT for Charles Barkley shoot through the roof. He was well composed, stayed on topic, and never took "the bait" from everyone who tried. Wow, I'm impressed. Mad respect ✊💯.
Lebron respons with Charles beeing a hater😆😆😆. NO Bron, he aint hating you, why would he? Cant People Take criticism nowadays? Then he talks about legacy, well.... In order to have a legacy it require to not change superteams every 4th year.
@@danaskovici in order to have a great legacy is to win championships. LeBron has done that. Yall stay trying to change the narrative every time. You're a bunch of drifters.
@@danaskovici Yeah to some mediocre thinkers, you like your athletes dumb! And thats fine, I like mine rich and intelligent, and that is a part of why Lebron is winning in sports and in life. Has been in the game since a teenager, playing amongst men, and is still playing well beyond a man of his age.
@@andrewmuragin5310 that's stupid. Competitiveness is a PART of basketball!! What gave it away that LeBron didn't even absorb what Charles said was that he didn't even mention any of the things he was talking about. Competitiveness is in every basketball player on some level so to critique that is valid. LeBron just got his feelings hurt so he went diva and brought up things that weren't even related to what the question was. Soft.
Honestly I haven't been a big fan of Charles over the years but I never knew this existed. Let's just say I have a ton of respect for him now. Such class how we handled this situation. (Coming from a LBJ fan)
My opinion Chuck was wrong when golden state signed Durant it's like Chicago dynasty team signing Kobe in his prime you want win if you dont sign the best plus Chuck said Bron dont want to compete which is a dam lie
Bron a great guy but you guys really on his nuts. Chuck was clearly the bigger man here and talked about basketball, not personal stuff that’s irrelevant.
He also spent his prime on a trash sixers team that he had to carry. Coming from someone who had nothing and couldn’t win a chip because of that, lebron probably sounded entitled af.
Everytime I see this clip it blows my mind that Shaq say there and tried to make his argument make any sense. Bruh how is asking if someone wants to compete personal? Lol and a lot of ballers do this when someone critiques their game, the first thing they do is attack that person personally.
Because there's a different between being a nobody Street baller and a professional athlete. Asking if he wanted to compete is a smack in the face, especially when you are criticizing his legacy. 🙄
@@younglove3362that IS his legacy. Only top 75 player to NEED 20+ already established all star/ hall of fame players. And when he gets sensitive then he gives up on his team
He’s a lil bitch. Chuck was right. He doesn’t want to compete he wants the best players on his team. AD, dwade, bosh, kyrie, love, . Not even close to the goat. Chuck was the only one with the balls to say this
That’s a grown man talkIng! Charles Barkley total respect!!🙏🏼💯 never personal..and he didn’t say Lebron didn’t want to compete, he asked ‘ He don’t wanna compete?’
Charles has turned into one of the best role models for young people and players. 1 wife, no serious controversies, and has acknowledged his mistakes and learned from them. Shaq, as usual, shows his immaturity and legitimately doesn't seem to understand Barkley's entire point
He's not called Sir Charles for nothing. He's always spot on. He's always honest - brutally, at times. But do not ... DO NOT call him out. He will verbally cut you down in a way that you won't even realize it until 5 minutes later. To paraphrase Sir Charles in reference to Jerry Rice's taunt, "You go home to your rings. I go home, and I'm still Charles Barkley." As Don Meredith would sing, "Turn out the lights. The party's over."
Shaq doesn't belong there. He always wanted to be a part of everything. I can bet TNT didn't contact him to be a part of the panel...l can bet he forced his way there because he wants to be a part of anything that gains a lot of popularity.
Charles is right. Lebron doesn't really wanna compete. He has alot of help and still wants more. I dont think he makes his teammates better like people says he does
@@abelrocha1236 NO, not all of it when you say that one of the greatest player's ever doesn't want to compete, IT'S PERSONAL basketball is his life, of cause he is taking it personal
@@inadpumami3537 that's not personal ay all lebron acted like Charles said something about what lebron has done off the court and anything personal at all bron acted like a complete bitch about this one and as ¨One of the greatest players of all time¨ shouldn't take something like this personal and went at a mans personal life he should´ve wanted to win even more
I HOLLERED SO LOOOUD 🤣when Chuck said FIRST OF ALL YOURE NOT A GOOD FIGHTER! I’m done! Good Job Chuck I love all of them guys keep it a 2 way street! Let ‘‘em know good and bad
@@DrunKao Chuck disrespected Lebron and Lebron publicly embarrassed him in return. It doesn’t have to be related to basketball. Watch how you talk about people
@@tjleaf3510 you’re small minded. Part of the small group of people who can’t win a debate. Charles destroyed Lebron here. If these analysts can’t “talk” about these basketball players then they might as well cancel the show. Use your brain brother
Charles did the right thing to ignore and not respond to Lebron's comments about him. If he did, that argument would never stop. As he said, they're not kids where with little disagreements, they'd come to blows. That's what immature people and punks do. Love the discussion though and thanks to the four of you in the panel . . . great job you're doing for the basketball fans.
shaq stop trying to bully people cgarles carried teams by himself NO CRYING MUCH RESPECT CHARLES BY THE WAY SHAQ WENT FROM TEAM TO TEAM? why needed help
