To be honest, SAS having LeBron #2 and debating Shannon on why he's not #1 makes sense, vs Shannon debating Skip who thinks LeBron is barely in the top 10 all time
One of the healthiest and most respectful sports debates I’ve ever seen. They let each other talk, they agreed on certain points, and they let each other express their disagreements, with mild to almost no interruption. I’m glad Uncle Sharpe is able to bring out out this side of SAS.
@@DavidMedinaKOF nah he was just having fun. But it did make me think I’d seriously not want to be in a room with Shannon if he was really angry. It would be terrifying.
It's not a great debate when Shannon's only response to facts that destroy his side of the debate is "yeah, but..." He's basically admitting that he's lost the debate when he can't defend his stance against facts.
Let's get the facts straight. Yeah The Bulls were a beast of a team but that was a Lakers team that was injured. Kareem was out he might've been retired at that point, no James Worthy. Now if the Bulls played against a healthy Lakers team with an active Kareem at 38 years old we might to singing a different tune but it is what it is.
@@MentalStillness if when but who where, we can do this all night long. If Arvydas Sabonis came to the league in 1985 as he was drafted we would've seen Clyde Drexler and prime Sabonis in 1990s final vs the Bulls and they might've killed Michael.
@@KL-xe5ec they needed to get the pistons out of their physical defense, they would literally abuse and injure players physically on purpose, which was going way too far in their era and in today’s era which is why so many people hated them
1988, Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year and the scoring tile (35 PPG). That same year, Jordan also collected every major individual accolade: - MVP - Defensive Player of the Year - All-NBA First Team - All-Star Starter - All-Star Game MVP - Slam Dunk Champion - Scoring Leader - Steals Leader WITHOUT MISSING A SINGLE GAME
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles/ All-Star MVPs) 1st: Jordan = 49 2nd: Kobe = 34 2nd: LeBron = 34 4th: Kareem = 31 5th: Duncan = 29 … You can debate 2nd-5th place but Jordan is so far ahead of everyone else…it’s not even close. Also the most amazing thing is that Jordan accomplished all this while playing in at least 5 years less than the other players … By the way, Curry has 13 Total Achievements in his career and Jokic has 7. That’s just to put things into perspective in the overall picture
@marktaylor554 You must be a clown. You claim that Jordan's competition was weak but in the same sentence you argue that LeBron's stat was far better than Kobe when Kobe clearly faced tougher complication in the West than LeBron. Kobe also beat more teams above 500 than any other player in the game.
Not LeBrons fault he lost, Bron averaged 28 8 4 on 63% from the field and 52% from three, d wade averaged 14 3 2 on trash efficiencies and Bosh was solid but wasn't really a scoring threat, plus the Heats bench wasn't very good either 😂 so in conclusion bron showed up and no one else did
I love how Shannon brings up Magic Johnson's age with Jordan's first title. Magic was 31. Dirk Nowitzki on the flip side was 32 going on 33 when Dallas, who was an older team too, beat Miami
The Msvs in 2011 swept the Lakers, beat Spurs and OKC in the playoffs. They played tremendous defense and had lethal 3point shooters with Dirk playing great.
Did Dirk have 9 years of going to the NBA finals on his treads? I love how y'all ignore the same Dallas team SWEPT Kobe Bryant's 2 time defending champions that same year in the playoffs.
@@gdtiago1 and dirk was older than magic and lebron had a superteam and dirk was by himself and jj barea and jason terry schooled lebron all series long ... and lebron scored just 8 pts in one game and blew a 2-1 lead losing 3 straight after being heavily favored to win the ring
Yeah and they're both brothers from similar backgrounds. Skip had the white savior complex in him and always made it personal when he doesn't have facts. Now he's scrambling for talent on his debate show lol not the same. I don't care how he staks it Rachel was good in ESPN and that's it the rest its just work to get paid
5:37 - Shannon screaming "MAGIC WAS 73!!!" is the equivalent to the Coming to America line when Eddie Murphy's barbershop character said "JOE LOUIS WAS 76 YRS OLD WHEN THEY FOUGHT!" 😂😂😂😂
Notice how Stephen was able to calm Shannon down a little with his reverse psychology by calling out how dramatic he is about the topic, knowing that would simmer him down so they could have a logical level headed discussion even tho Shannon will never be 100% logical on this topic bc he is too emotional over Lebron
@@ziegfeld4131 LeBron does everything better than Kobe besides mid range, he’s better than whoever your goat is and u don’t know ball if u don’t think bron is top 2
Shannon sounds like a LeShill again with these bogus arguments. 1) Jordan did run into Warriors 17/18 equivalents MANY TIMES. In 86 and 87 he ran into Celtics that had 4 starters in HOF. Then next 4 years he ran into Pistons that constantly had 3 HOFers in Thomas, Dumars and Rodman. That's 6 straight years Jordan ran into superb teams in playoffs. Only help Jordan had was Pippen and sometimes nothing. 2) You cannot say Jordan faced an old Magic Johnson in 91 finals and then give Lebron a pass in 2011, 2013 and 2014. What's the age of Norwitzki, Duncan and Ginobili during those finals? That's a shill argument. Jordan at least won in 91. Lebron OTOH nearly went 0-3 during those 3 finals if not for Ray Allen saving his legacy. Lebron's 2014 loss to ol' Duncan was so bad he set NBA final record on losing margin per game. The only all star teammate Jordan ever had was Pippen, and that's nuf for Jordan to win 6 rings in 2 three-peats manner. Lebron OTOH needed 5 all stars in Irvine, Love, Bosh, DWade and Brow to only produce 4. Lebron needed more help and yet produced less rings than Jordan. He clearly is not as good. In fact, why do we even rank Lebron at #2? Kareem, Magic, Kobe and Duncan all won more. Lebron is not even top 5.
Lol, but Magic and Kobe in their primes, they would give Lebron a solid battle. I don't know if they would win but I know Kobe would kill Lebron in crunch time defensively. It's tough for Lebron one on one in crunch time.
@@courtneywhite6036 You have more energy to defend when all you have to do is score. It's harder to that when your usage is like lebron's and you have to do everything else too
@@1n_motionand nobody ever mentions that Jordan's 80's competition was far better than his 90's competition. He couldn't get past Boston, Philly, Lakers, and Detroit until they aged out or self imploded. None of his Finals opponents had more than 2 hall of fame leveled players. LeBron in his 4th season took a team that had no business being in the Finals past Detroit who were big title contenders. Jordan's system from top to bottom (front office, coach, second star player, key role players) were better and allowed Jordan to flourish. If he has LeBron's teams from 2003-2010 and 2018 Finals team or Lakers 2019 team, he'll struggle if not worse. Also take Coach Phil out too because he contributed to Jordan's winning as well. It's proven due to Jordan and Kobe's success. That's what analysts don't mention.
What hurts Lebron case for GOAT status is we all still remember the 2011 meltdown against Dallas in his prime. MJ's prime was 6-0 in the Finals with no choking performances in sight.
@@JustinJwhile dropping 60 points against the boston celtics with 5 hall of famers. And there were only 2 fulls years before scottie came and one of them was his rookie year. He didn't choke in those games, just cant beat an entire championship team by himself, lebron never did so either.
@@fullygaza8909by your logic Magic Johnson is the GOAT - 9 finals with 5 titles in 13 seasons...vs Lebron with 10 finals and 4 titles in 20 seasons lmao. Magic won more than Lebron in fewer seasons.
@@JustinJ there's literally no argument you can make that can trump the 2011 choke job or the fact that he had to run to Wade's team to win a ring...respectfully.
Stephen A. says "Jordan is 6-0 in yhe Finals.." Unc be like "He ain't playin nobodyyyyy.." Unc 5 minutes later "I'm not tryna take nuthin away from Jordan!" All over the place.. EMOTIONAL!
The conversation really amped up after 2016. That’s when Bron and Jordan stans became insufferable and as a by product, NBA discourse as a whole suffered tremendously.
@@dr.grinch9530 lol 😂.......I give LeBron fans L's ALL the time.......they just keep losing. But some of them are getting more and more desperate/creative in their arguments. The creativity is mildly impressive, but when you have a very strong case,creativity is not needed. I dispose of them too. Lol 😂 😂 😂 😂
Stephen a will always hold 2011 against lebron,but will never mention that bron was the most insanely scrutinized athlete on the planet at the time and that's been the case throughout his career. He joined a new team where d wade was the star and it took him a year and a bad series to adapt, that's about it. He made 8 finals in the following 9 years and wins with 3 different teams! Stop the agenda and speak the facts ffs
@@jonathanfrancis7608 Jordan had a whole book written about how shifty he was to people.....definitely the most scrutinized athlete of his time.....for every point a LeBron fan makes there's facts to smack it down..
Jordan couldn't even get past the first round in his early years and that was before the nba expanded and was basically an all American league. Conveniently leaving out Jordan's failures and highlighting Brons bad moments is a silly way to go about it.
@@jonathanfrancis7608on the contrary, Stephen A defends lebron more than most, people just think hes a lebron hater because when he does go against lebron people make a big deal about it
Shannon doesn’t realize ESPN is going to be more of a challenge because his debate partner this time around isn’t delusional and actually knows how to make solid points.
But the fact remains you can still debate your argument for lebron even if sas has more jordan facts, which he doesnt. Skip has all his jordan facts straight. He just is too harsh on bron
Yeah Shannon still has that skip effect. He needs to realize he doesn’t have to scream anymore to make his point. Because look how SAS checked him im the beginning and than called him emotional
Stephen A. only ever been right once in his life... last week when he apologised after the track star brother schooled him about World and local champion status... but anyways, whut was you doin at them high-schools Stephen...?
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles/ All-Star MVPs) 1st: Jordan = 49 2nd: Kobe = 34 2nd: LeBron = 34 4th: Kareem = 31 5th: Duncan = 29 … You can debate 2nd-5th place but Jordan is so far ahead of everyone else…it’s not even close. Also the most amazing thing is that Jordan accomplished all this while playing in at least 5 years less than the other players … By the way, Curry has 13 Total Achievements in his career and Jokic has 7. That’s just to put things into perspective in the overall picture
Exactly. Unc be out of bounds on many things. Talking about Noah being drunk and still getting the ark. Bruh, he had the ark year(s) BEFORE that, and was literally roofied… he did not choose to be drunk 🤦♂️ Facts n sequence Unc. They give anyone these days a mic
So if his team was so stacked then his rings shouldn’t matter right cause they were easy. If pippen Harper and Rodman were preventing guys from scoring then of course they won. The whole point is that people say the kd warrior rings don’t count cause they were too stacked and it was unfair yet Jordan fans claim the bulls were even more stacked and their rings are more important. Jordan fans are delusional
@@mattsell2361That would be a cute argument if Jordan hadn't won 3 rings before Rodman got there 😂 and when he left bulls were a second round exit. Plus they needed Rodman to get past Orlando and possibly Houston. Golden state had the cavs up 3-1 they did not need KD.
@@mattsell2361 your argument is mute because the golden state warriors were already a very good team before Kevin Durant came along. He came in a and made the team over powdered. That would be akin to the 96 bulls adding someone like a Patrick Ewing to the team.
I wouldn't call this a "heated" debate.. I would say this is a great debate amongst good friends aka brothers. Those who have had sports debates can relate
@@ragingheat98 lmao your pathetic if you think there “brothers”. They had 2 episodes together and scrubs like you think they have a brotherly bond. Pathetic 😂
I've been waiting for Stephen A and Shannon to finally chop it up in debates!!!! I love it, but Stephen A is right on this debate!!!! Get em Stephen A!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We talk about the finals so much but MJs Eastern Conference finals opponents are just as impressive as the finals wins . Pistons, knicks, pacers, magic, heat . That’s the difference for me
It comes across emotional but in reality, sharpe is entertaining. He’s entertaining us with stuff like “you should have hung up on Jordan” it’s what makes the debate more entertaining. Sharpe respects Jordan. It’s just fun
@@richardjackson5670Kobe is a top 5 player. Has 5 rings. Beat the most 50 win teams in the playoffs. Top 4 scorer of all time and leads all time with the most 1st team all defense selections. Not only that but he’s a 4 time all star mvp which means he played at a high level against the best players in the league. Leads all sg in points, rebounds and assists. The list goes on.
@@actualcollegegradStephen a smith was smooth with the compliment to Unc about being one of the goats.. meanwhile, skip went out of his way to disrespect Shae in favor of getting on his knees for Brady. I’m glad Shae is doing his own thing.
@@johnhancock1362 skip takes things personal and talks through his emotions. SAS doesn’t do that. thats why SAS has no problem agreeing with UNC and pay homage to the legendary player he is sitting across from.
MJ's second full season starting, 37.1ppg 5.2rpg 4.6apg, (2.9spg 236steals) 125 blocks, lead the Nba in points and in steals, the scoring title and 1st team all nba defense, still cant believe he didnt win MVP that year. Nobody has ever came close to these numbers that early in their career.
In the last 50 years, Career Résumé - Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles/ All-Star MVPs) 1st: Jordan = 49 2nd: Kobe = 34 2nd: LeBron = 34 4th: Kareem = 31 5th: Duncan = 29 … You can debate 2nd-5th place but Jordan is so far ahead of everyone else…it’s not even close. Also the most amazing thing is that Jordan accomplished all this while playing in at least 5 years less than the other players … By the way, Curry has 13 Total Achievements in his career and Jokic has 7. That’s just to put things into perspective in the overall picture
@@FreedomFighter2112all star mvp is not a real accolade. Nobody gives af about all star games and they’ve always had loose defense and has rarely ever been competitive from start to finish like it would in a real game.
@@2BaSedP0l0Swagq what about these accolades… Jordan’s accomplishments -6 championships -6 NBA finals MVP -4 regular season and finals MVP in the same season -rookie of the year and all star in the same season. -86’-87’ season he became the first player to reach 3,000 points since Wilt Chamberlain in only his second season in the NBA. -10 time NBA scoring champ -Highest Career scoring average 30.1 -Highest career playoff PPG 33.4 -9x all NBA and DPOY winner -DPOY and scoring champion in the same year (only player to do this) -Highest career (PER) player efficiency rating career 28.0 -Played in 9 championships NCAA, Olympics, and NBA as the team leader and never lost. -Never lost 3 games in a row over an 8 year stretch, playing all 82 games 9 seasons of his 15 year career -Highest PPG average in a playoff series all time 43.7 -Highest PPG in a finals series 41 PPG -From 1991-1998 he never lost more than two games in a row -The only player to lead a team to 6 chips in 8 years span -Only player to win scoring title, regular season MVP, NBA championship, finals MVP, and make first team all defense all in the same season and Jordan did it 4x -Player with most 40 and 50 point games -5 playoff series with of 40+ PPG. No one in the modern era has one and no one ever has had more than one. -Won championships with 6 of the top 10 lowest scoring supporting casts in history of championship winning teams, including the top 2 all time. -Averaged more assists in his first finals (11.4) then Lebron averaged in any of his finals -MVP, scoring champ, DPOY, 1st team all NBA, and dunk contest winner all in the same season. -Jordan has the all time record for most block shots by a guard (893) -Jordan’s 131 blocked shots in a single 82 game season is the most ever recorded by a guard -Jordan is the only player ever with 200 blocks and 100 steals on a season and he did 2x -Jordan holds the record for most all NBA defense first team selections with 9 -Jordan has the second most steal titles in NBA history with 3. -there are 4 players that hold records for most ppg avg against a franchise. Jordan holds the record for most ppg avg against 16 different franchises….second place is Chamberlain with 6
@@2BaSedP0l0Swagqyou do realize that's largely irrelevant to the point because deducting the all star MVPs doesn't really change anything, right? It would look like this without all star Mvps: 1. Jordan - 46 2. Lebron 31 3. Kobe - 30 4. Kareem - 31 5. Duncan - 28 Basically exactly the same, with Jordan 15pts above 2nd place. The only thing that really changes is Lebron moves one point ahead of Kobe for 2nd rather than being tied.
He was still old tf lol lebron finished 2nd in league in scoring 18th season... sooo he was still old af lol he avg 27 last year dnt matter he still old lol
@@traviskuykendall14 Magic was 31 in that season. That's not old at all, that's still prime years. Again, he was still an All-Star, 2nd in MVP voting and led his team to the Finals. It's simply not true and a common false mistelling of NBA history in order to prop up narratives
I’m the biggest Lebron fan there is and I think people are idiots who say he’s not in the top 10 and he’s overrated. But if we’re debating 1 and 2 with Jordan for the GOAT, then we’re good. The fact that there is this constant debate speaks to Lebron’s greatness. I’ll call it Jordan 1A and Lebron 1B.
Its that hiearchy mentality. That pits people against people. Turning them into a commodity. When numbers make the man. How many pounds picked yesterday, dont count for the numbers today. The GREATEST OF ALL TIME (GOAT) is the one who remains Great no matter the time. 😂
@@breal6592You weren't listening. He brought up winning 10 scoring titles, more defemsive all team, no meltdowns and he did that in less seasons. Listen better next time.
@@breal6592 Truth is, if Jordan played in this era and won titles, haters like you in next 20 years or so will still call them plumbers. Truth is, they weren't plumbers, Jordan made them all look like plumbers. Stephen A. caught Shannon in the double standard when he said Mayweather made his opponents look mediocre but would not apply the same to Jordan. 😅 He then brought up Pippen 😅 . Well isn't it a team game? 😅
My favorite quote from Chamberlain on why Jordan couldn't be the NBA goat was this one, “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules for me so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could.”
@@delconagher12lol he’s a lot better than Kobe along with 7-8 other dudes. Being knockoff Jordan doesn’t make you #2 if you brick fade aways and ball hog
@@delconagher12how did he get cooked Stephen A didn’t give any valid arguments all he said was Jordan has a killer will and that he was 6 for 6 in the finals
Now imagine adding a Charles Barkley or a Karl Malone that averaged 22-27ppg to that 96 Bulls team, that would seem unfair to the rest of the league right? There would be almost no competition and no other player or team would have a chance at winning😬
@@mattsell2361 kinda like how Lebron Lost in 2011 & 2014 finals ? even with a stacked team ? Dont say it was against Tim Duncan and the spurs because they were past their prime which is worst
People always forget that Jordan's first champion against the Lakers was when the Bulls swept the bad boy Piston. A team that went to the champion three straight years winning twice.
People always gloss over the physicality and finesse that Detroit played with. The Bulls basically adapted that play style, took Rodman, and dominated the league.
@@harinderrana9735 stop it.... The year the Bulls beat them Isiah was only 29, Dumars 27, Rodman 29, Sally 26, Aguirre 31 and Laimbeer was 33 they were far from old
