Charles Oakley Says Jordan and Pippen Are “Over” | The Bill Simmons Podcast 

But I don't understand, Scottie legit had almost an entire episode on his backstory and amazing rise, his skills, etc. I thought he had just as much, if not more, praise than Dennis and the others? And the obvious praise from MJ himself about Pip being his greatest teammate and essentially that the 6 couldn't be done without him.

After hearing Pippen, and reading his book, I decided just to go out and buy 3 pairs of Air Jordans just for the hell of it.

“When they speak Michael Jordan they should speak Scottie Pippen” - Michael Jordan

Mj even said, you can't say Michael Jordan without saying pippen. I wouldn't have 6 rings without him.

I’ve commented on other channels concerning this topic, but Scottie’s recent behavior just makes me appreciate Mike and Phil more. That those teams won like they did with all of this mess going on behind the scenes is truly amazing.

I wish Chuck and MJ got back together. They were golden together.

Let's be real. 1) Jordan's father passed and that was his best friend. Cmon now! 2) The documentary actually gave Scottie a lot of respect. I know I have for me. Plus felt bad he was stuck in that contract. At this point, it just sounds like he's both jealous and insecure. Blessings to him though.

It's hard to lose a son. It's hard to have your ex-wife leave you and very publicly cheat on you. He's obviously just in a bad place right now. Some people's comments here are vicious.

I think the whole thing is not just about Pippen trying to sell a book, it's more like Scottie once again let his emotion got the better of him, just like what he did when Phil Jackson let Kukoc taking that last shot against Knicks.

Scottie is a weirdo, dude Mj literally said their is no MJ or 6 rings without Scottie, no one was dissing him. The stuff about his contract, and not going back in the game happened, so they included it in the documentary, its not like they were lying or made things up.

Michael Jordan and Scottie pippen had a working on the court relationship that was successful but nothing more than that. Happens everyday folks, even in your own lives. Everyone can't be friends and don't need to be friends folks. Happens every day.

As far as Pippen refusing to check back in during the playoff game for the last shot, I can’t defend him on that because they gave him the ball and he had 2 chances and missed to seal the game. Phil decided to go back to a designed play for Kukoc that worked during the regular season. Scottie should’ve respected that. He was wrong there.

He turned on the man that helped him reach superstar status. Jordan even gave him the upmost compliment that he never gave anyone. He said there would be no Jordan without Pippen.

The saddest part is that almost everyone who watched the Last Dance thought it put everyone in a great light. Rodman, Pippen, Jackson, Kerr, everyone. Just a great team, a great time. I just can't imagine someone watching it and thinking "oh they're picking on Scottie Pippen."

It's not even that...... Who ended that Documentary thinking... "I see Pip worse now"

“He likes to play golf, fish, and smoke cigars. When you get old, there’s only so much you can do.” - Realest thing I ever heard.

As someone who is from chicago this hurts so much to see.

Wow! Excited for this full interview. The legend, Charles Oakley!!

I would have never thought Michael Jordan & Scottie Pippen would be in odds with each other.

it was weird for me, the scottie stuff. the last dance was based on that one year and scottie held out for a large part of that year. so of course you wont be shown as much over the course of the documentary.

The difference between Jordan leaving and Scottie quitting on the team was that Jordan left after the season ended whereas Scottie quit on the team DURING THE GAME when the team needed him most. Jordan wanted to pursue other ventures.. nothing wrong with that.

If Scott’s dad was murdered no one would hold against him getting away from the game for a couple seasons…

Plenty people told Scottie not to do it. He screwed himself.

I think Scottie got pissed when MJ said he delayed having surgery because they wouldn't pay him. But when MJ was retired he was wearing his shoes and hoping he came back.

Love ❤️ Charles O, as you get older your circle gets smaller and it’s only so much you can do, so true.

Charles Oakley has a cooking show?! I'm in.

Oh Man! So sad two of my fave ball player are not in good terms like forever.. I hope one of them able to humble themselves and save the relationship rather than winning the argument.. Nice Show. Hi there Sir Charles Oakley 💪👊

Just because you played together doesn't mean you're friends. Jealousy is something else. Everybody ain't happy for you.

The last dance was supposed to be about the 1998 run of the bulls, which was mostly Jordan carrying the bulls without scottie for most of the season. Pip, Rodman and even Kerr, had their episodes but only Pippen think its all about MJ

Why doesn't Scottie just put out his own docuseries...🤔🤷🏽‍♂️

If it isn't 80s Celtics, BS is just that, BS. Pip had the ball in his hand the prior sequence and bricked a 3 off the side of the backboard. Here's a statement nobody has ever heard: "Remember that clutch shot Scottie made?"

For Pip, as great as he was, to be called the most underrated of his generation jus shows you how big a shadow MJ cast over the Bulls and the entire NBA for that matter.

Pippen did get the ball at the end in that Knicks game and he let the shot clock run down to where he either rushed a bad shot or it didn’t get it off. I don’t remember that part of it but I remember that he struggled dribbling the ball past his defender and was angry afterwards at a teammate who didn’t set a screen. It was the exact same scenario when Jordan had the ball for the final shot against Utah in game 6 of the 1998 finals. Where after he got past mid court he stopped and dribbled for a few seconds before making his move to take the game winning shot. Everyone on the Bulls cleared out and let Jordan go 1 on 1 with Russell. Scottie never got by his defender and blamed his teammates. A basket would of put the game away but after the shot clock expired the ball went to the Knicks and Patrick Ewing hit an amazing shot to tie the game with only 1.3 or 1.8 seconds remaining, can’t remember the exact time left but it left time for basically only a catch and shoot type scenario or a shot on Ehlo play where they can only take 1 dribble before shooting. Jordan actually took 2 dribbles but the play was designed to take only 1 dribble. Whether it’s 1 or 2 the Bulls didn’t have a player skilled enough to do that so Phil Jackson went with a play that worked in the regular season where Kukoc had a catch and shoot at the buzzer to win the game. Kukoc had successfully executed that play more than once in the regular season whether it was a game winner or at the end of a quarter. Also Scottie actually had not 1 but 2 chances at the end and didn’t make a shot either time. So he can gripe all he wants but even though he played great that season and did a tremendous job taking over as leader of the team. Probably did a better job at getting his teammates involved than Jordan did but he couldn’t close out games like Jordan could and was given 2 chances by Jackson but after he failed and the Bulls facing a potential 3-0 deficit Phil Jackson did HIS JOB and put the team in the best position to win. What Scottie can’t apparently get through his head is that Kukoc made the shot so Pippen has absolutely no argument what so ever especially when you consider he was given 2 chances to close out the game and failed both times.

Pippen still made more money career-wise in basketball salary than Jordan... dude still got his money but he didn’t do much after MJ retires..

I think “Scottie “ is hurt from the public humiliation with his personal life too ..that doesn’t make one turn the other cheek…

MJ didnt leave the team. He retired for good! Just because he came back, doesn't mean that was his plan.

MJ left game 1st time after his FATHER was MURDERED he didnt abandon the bulls

Nobody took advantage of Scottie pippen's bad contract in fact they told him not to sign it because it was a bad contract!

In the last dance. Jordan said there would be No Jordan without Pippen. He gave him credit.

Love Big Oak!!! Always Been Real

Scottie and Jordan are still the best duo basketball ever seen

Charles oakley sums up reality of situation with precision.

I love Oakley, growing up as a Knicks fan. Ewing was technically my favorite and I still love the guy, I love that whole '90s era, but I have to say looking back now, Charles Oakley and John Starks are probably my favorite Knicks in hindsight now, with you and being third

Scottie clearly said he was watching it with his kids thinking this was a celebration of the team and to see Jordan bringing up him refusing to go in the game and prolonging surgery and the contract was wrong and it was. Because the doc was for the new generation and most didn't know Scottie did that they just knew him for six rings and ESPN. It's been confirmed Michael agreed he shouldn't have allowed that in their and should have been edited out. Scottie took it as Michael trying to tarnish his legacy to the new generation and while building his up more as the ultimate winner and competitor.

I read the book and its not bad at all. The media probably didn’t read it either🙄

Peppa needs to let go of the bitterness. Life is going to suck if you're going to compare yourself to the greatest basketball player of all time, his accomplishments, his money, his life. You didn't like your contract? Why did you sign it? You wanted to get paid for that documentary? Then why did you participate? Look in the mirror and realize that you're mad over Bad Business decisions that YOU made.

Jordan retired the first time because of the overwhelming situation of his father’s murder. I would think that would be quite traumatic.

One year later and Oakley is spot on

Nothing is ever bringing down Michael Jordan He's a god and a king and will live till 100 smoking cigars with a $40 billion net worth

Something don't sit right with me knowing Mike and Scottie aren't talking. We gotta fix this.

I often wonder if Scottie losing his son has anything to do with some of this....Scottie could feel lost right now and hes lashing out....

When your family is in dire economic straits you'll sign a contract NOW to help them, even if it's not the best. Few take this into consideration when criticizing Scottie's contract situation, he had 2 wheelchair bound family members.

All I know is Oak and Ant Mason was 2 of the most frightening guys when you had to drive thru that paint

The reason Jordan left for 20 months was his father was murdered! It didn’t help that the press was insane. I think most people in jordan’s shoes would have done the same.

I love Charles Oakley. the dude always keeps it real. cheers. great interview Bill.

Oakley is Jordan’s best friend, so believe what’s he’s saying.

Pippen can’t blame Jordan the mistakes he made

LOVED Big OAK! He's 1 of those in the Top 20 that Didn't but Should've WonBeen on a Championship Team!!

This is not Michael Jordan fault Scottie need to take up his issues with the people who made the documentary plus Jordan is Jordan there is nothing you can do about that .

Well I think the book, reading it, thus far was focused more on Mr Pippens journey and life and Team in the NBA as it is on Mr Jordan so I think the right hand and the left hand don't always agree but both are important to getting the job done so lets understand they both had to be different to be the same on the court of success.

They did NOT take advantage of Scottie...he was a grown ass man who made an adult decision to sign the con tract for that amount of money.

Scottie was never underrated or under appreciated to me. He was/is one of the greatest.

What is Bill on about? How can you frame it as 'MJ left the team for 20 months'? The reality is he retired and then came back, which we know damn well Pippen even wanted.

Oakley ALWAYS keeps it real. I think Scottie and MJ will reconcile down the road. It will end up being a 30 for 30 aboit how the greatest 1,2 combo in NBA history fell apart.

Gucci Flip Flops line is about Larsa Pippen 😂

3:04 -- MJ was dealing with the death of his father, needed a break from basketball and wanted to play baseball in honor of his father. He didn't leave the team in the middle of a season or wouldn't go back in a game.

Pippen needs therapy. I really like him as a player. But, I can't believe he did this. What a dummy!

As a Bulls and White Sox fan, I've had my issues with Reinsdorf in the past, but there's a misperception that he's cheap, and he really isn't. He'll spend. He just doesn't overstep his bounds and he lets his GM's do the job he hired them to do. He advised Scottie to try to work out a better deal for himself.

Feeling left out is the worst feeling in the world 🌎

Jordan got raked across the coals waaay more than Pip did in The Last Dance.

Idk what upset scottie from the docu, but from my viewing, it portrayed him as the second best player in the league that they couldn’t win without, that seems pretty good?

Charles Oakley sure has a lot to say about every NBA legend he could never beat and wishes he was. Just go away Charles....FOREVER

Yeah ... I'm bummed about that too.

Pippen and Jordan needed each other to win 6 Finals

Scottie mentioned Jordan being condescending and here is an example of what he means by that. Jordan left, and Scottie led the team to Game 7 against the eventual East Champion Knicks, in the semi's, while leading the team in every major statistical category. That feat could have been portrayed by Jordan as, "Scottie was so great that he took the Knicks to 7 without me and they were the East Champs that year'. Instead, Jordan portrayed it as, "I could see that they needed me". For all of the praise that Jordan gives Pippen, if you pay close attention, the vast majority of it is to reinforce Jordan himself and his own greatness. For example, "There would be no Jordan without Pippen" "I couldn't have done this without Scottie". It's rarely ever with a true focus on Pippen the individual, without inserting himself (Jordan) into it.

Oakley has always been 💯

This happens with friends who are really not friends...😮

It’s deeper then we know.

I wonder if people believe Jordan would have six rings with Scottie?

Everything has its time. Everything from the present up to the future athletes will have their moment and soon after will also be forgotten. Its the truth. Sad but really, Its just the way it is.

Oakley kind of hesitated about being one of the guys in Michael Circle

People also forgot what the media said and how they fueled the division between Scottie and Michael after each episode of the last dance. Shannon Sharpe, Kendrick Perkins, jay Williams, and nick Wright were all saying MJ was wrong for what he did to Scottie. Look at all of those shows on Monday after each episode of the Last Dance. It was nothing but mj is wrong he threw his teammates under the bus, he should have helped Scottie with his contract (which he did). All of the interviews in the last dance were done in 2018, Scottie knew what was in them he didn't get upset until he saw what ESPN and fox sports were saying about it. If you noticed everything he has said in his book and interviews promoting the book is exactly what they said on the ESPN and fox sports. Sports media is acting like they didn't create this beef. The majority of the people that were talking crap were the LBJ fanboys in the media This clown bill Simmons just proved my point with his little slick remark about mj quiting! He retired because his father was MURDERED in a brutal way they found him in a swamp GTFOH! the media needs to take responsibility they broke up their friendship

PIPPEN….man lost his son lost his mind…he has a DOCUMENTED HISTORY of being flaky. The Pistons headache game. The Kukoc shot. His sit out season during the last dance. He’s a FLAKE. Talented. But without JORDAN he’s Stacey Augmon. And that’s not a slight. Jordan GAVE HIM HIS PROPS. It’s PURE JEALOUSY

Oak said, I'm still one of them. Don't know what else to tell ya! 😁🤷

Oak can be on my team anytime

Scottie Pippen was so underrated

there was absolutely no reason to add the segment about scottie being pissed about not getting the last shot, other than to embarass him.

inconsequential but i went through a whole thing trying to guess what happens if Seattle kept Scottie and if Chicago kept Oakley instead of trading for Cartwright. i think the team i came up w was like Mookie Blaylock and MJ at G, Derrick McKey and Oak at F and Rony Seikaly at C i dont know if trades were affecting draft order

That is so true without scottie mike wouldn't be who he is without scottie

Sorry Bill, stop with the myth, my man Pippen should have taken the last shoots bc "he was the man on the team" (while MJ wasn`t there). Pippen was never ever the go-to-guy on the Bulls. And in that game, which is talked about in the last dance, he proofed it: he had several posessions designed for him in the last quarter, missed many of them. It was 100% the right decision by Phil Jackson to give Toni the ball for the last shoot. He was clutch all his life, proofed it in europe, proofed that saison on the Bulls several time..

Oakley as real as it gets

People gloss over the fact that pippen said he INTENTIONALLY did not condone MJ on his father's murder, INTENTIONALLY didn't even acknowledge it, MJ was probably so heart broken that he didnt even notice. But not that Pippen snitched on himself, that relationship cannot exist, like just can't. The feelings behind the action shows how much Pippen hated or envied Jordan.

The book praised Jordan mostly and actually defended him a lot I think scotty was aloud to get out his feelings he was overlooked underpaid and used for a longtime he says some of the things he feels and people freak out because it was about mj if there is anyone who is aloud to have a opinion about mj its scotty

I wonder if something like this will happen with Steph and Klay in the future.

Pippen was a lot like Giannis. Would say a bit more skilled but a bit smaller.

Why do we care? We saw them play basketball together; that’s the only impact they have in our lives at all.

Being retired is in NO WAY the same as not coming off the bench during crunch time. Retirement means that your team should begin the game and not expect you to be there. Scotties ON the team and ON the bench.

Bill needs to let his guests talk.

The documentary was about Michael Jordan not the Chicago Bulls. Scottie didn't get the message.

Oakley should be on TNT