Why does he think Israel is obligated to continue supplying water and electricity to an area that just attacked, slaughtered, kidnapped, and tortured them? That's absurd. I will give this kid props for being respectful and not acting a mouthy fool like a lot of others.
I mean, he does haev a point though. You don't solve the problem of someone killing your women and children by killing 10x as many women and children. But at the same time I hate both countries so I don't really care.
@@johnnytx45 you can partially blame the peers and professors but I grew up in a radical society as well and I chose not to go in that direction. The fault lies within the individual. They are very weak minded people and probably have been easily manipulated all their life. I blame that on the parent for not teaching them very strong values
@@andreaseluk6590 lol, the facts anyway. You need to go over to Palestine to personally see Hamas terrorists in action? You mean the ones who could give a s%*t about their own people? The ones who love parading out the dead children they supposedly love to use as propaganda? The list could go on and on. If you’re a Hamas supporter then your crazy/evil and there’s no point in having a conversation with crazy/evil.
@@andrestrigo4618 he makes 100% more sense than any of the people I've seen question him. People who stand there with their phone spouting off the top page of google info. I'm reading it off of google so I must be brilliant and correct. Right?
Well, saying i don't agree with someone doesn't automatically mean I agree with the second party, but that's a concept some people have a hard time grasping. @@Anikanoteven
They're not dummies. If that border was open hamas would just melt into the refugees to run and hide. Then they're Egypt's problem. I know it You know it. Egypt certainly knows it.
Whilst I don't agree with kid, he was pretty respectful ("Mr. Kirk") and spoke quite well. Charlie clearly saw this too and showed him equal respect, even inviting him to have the final say. That's what discourse should be like.
Yeah, I liked the way Charlie didn’t get agitated, and interrupt and not let the kid respond, as he usually does. All his and Candace’s exchanges should be like this.
@@LittleLulubee Charlie interrupts because most woke college kids keep blathering on and on with repeated talking points without having any meaningful debate and refuse to hear the truth. This kid, on the other hand, was far more open-minded and open-eared to Charlie's argument and responded in kind with civility.
Well, respectful or not this guy was ignorant and an idiot. There is not a single pro pally person on this entire planet who knows anything about anything, yet they all have an opinion and they think it counts. It doesn't. Not anymore. They all need to shut up. We don't care
Exactly! he was respectful and tried to look for common ground with Charlie Kirk and I think those kinds of conversations are very important. Instead of spreading hate or propaganda or supporting Hamas's genocidal intent against Jews, we should respect each other's opinions and find things to agree about.
I'm not affiliated with any political group, although I would love to have Trump back in office. However not only do I concur with your statement, but I do give the young man SOMMMMEEEE credit in trying to find a peaceful venue. Sure, he may be a little gullible when it comes to how Real-life conflict works, but I still respect his conversation and thought process. Not saying I agree with him, but he is THINKING with his own brain instead of brainwashed college brain. Kudos.
The water and electricity arw paid by Israeli tax payers, Palestine gets it for free and they citizens didn't ruot against Hamas to at least release rhw captives of the country that gives them free amenities... Look at how these idiots are behaving like the Palestinians are entitled to the free water of another country...
Something no one seems to be mentioning is that Gaza has had YEARS to establish their own utilities, something Israel actively encouraged. They chose not to do so, and not they’ve started a war with the people that provide those utilities for them. Hamas spent all their money on rockets and underground tunnels rather than building proper infrastructure to protect and support their people. It’s just one more way Hamas has sacrificed their own people and made Israel look like the bad guys.
I’m actually impressed with this young student and how he was well behaved and willing to listen instead of just spewing nonsense and being confrontational
What's interesting is that, were it HIS loved ones...whoever they may be...that were murdered, would he think the same thing? Almost certainly not. Bubbles are dangerous, and this kid lives in a thick one.
He has a right to ask his question. We don't know who he is or what sort of life he's led. There is nothing wrong with having concern and compassion for innocent children. And don't forget that he even acknowledged that Hamas are ultimately to blame. Perhaps he deserves a little credit for that.
As Americans most of us have had an easy life. At least that kid is doing a few things right. Going to the speech, asking a question and being polite about the whole thing.
@sotiriosnovatsis4529 the comments are obviously biased..of course if it happened to him he would be raging. But we are sitting on the outside here and we should be exercising clarity vs emotion alone. I thought that kid represented himself well. Here people are hammering the youth of today for being addicted to Twitter and not having any brains and this kid gets crapped on for speaking about a complex subject.
The water and electricity arw paid by Israeli tax payers, Palestine gets it for free and they citizens didn't ruot against Hamas to at least release rhw captives of the country that gives them free amenities... Look at how these idiots are behaving like the Palestinians are entitled to the free water of another country...
But that’s not what this guy is saying at all. It’s fully possible to support an Israeli offensive against Hamas while also thinking that Palestinian civilians should still have access to water and food.
You do realise moat israelis are russians and polish and europeans right? Imagine indians came and put Americans in a 5X25mile, built a wall and blockaded you, in a what James cameron called"the biggest open air prison". If you dont fight teeth and bone i would totally disrespect you
I thought the kid was commendable for being respectful and open to a productive discussion, unlike most left leaning students. I think he was actually receptive to some of Charlie’s points.
I’m so tired of these ignorant, foolish college students who try to tell Israel what to do when they know little to nothing about that area of the world! How dare they…….
They’ve been pampered and brainwashed by the education system their whole lives, sad but true. Done on purpose to take down this country and our own allies from the inside! Working too!
Yes, but that conversation gave me a little bit of hope. It was civil, respectful, and most importantly; even thought they did not agree on the nuances they were able to find middle ground and agree on the most important issue. Hopefully the horrible things that are happening can help the 2 sides step back a litte, more so the lef.
@@rsktransport it was civil and respectful yes! But the only takeaway should have been the youngster should have been schooled on the facts. These young people today think they are correct in ALL matters and they will not be changed in their minds even when the truth is put right in front of them, that’s the very definition of being brainwashed. Society will not change if this doesn’t change.
Israel warned them and waited. ANY other country would just carpet bombed everything. Imagine 40000 Americans die in a terrorist attack. What would America do? Let's say Irak attacks Iran and kills 10000. What do you think Iran would do. And what would the useless UN say? Condemn? Double standards.
@@b12deficient24 My family has experienced war and it is not pretty. The innocent always suffer for the decisions that other people and their government makes. It is simply a fact of war. Your goal is defeat your enemy at all costs. Israel did not go into the Gaza Strip and indiscriminately murder civilians but Hamas did. How anyone can justify this is insane to me.
The problem with ALL these kids (under the age of 35) is their parents. Their parents gave them EVERTYTHING except discipline, truth & mentorship. Parents wanted a young friend and parents wanted to live vicariously through their kids!
One of the common misconceptions I see is that people don't know the difference between the Gaza Strip, and Gaza city, which is the northern part of the strip. Israel has told them to get out of the north half, Gaza city, because that's going to get pounded. A lot of people think Israel has blocked all escape routes out of Gaza Strip, and then told Palestinians to leave the Gaza Strip entirely as some sick joke, and that's not the case. That's not to say it's going to be easy by any means, but frankly Israel has given more thought to the safety of Palestinians than Hamas have.
@@stevepompei3694 I can only assume that Israel believes that much if not all of Hamas's military infrastructure is within Gaza city, and intend to destroy it. Bunkers, tunnels, weapon caches, rocket launchers etc, which would reduce their ability to be an effective force. After that I would guess it's a door-to-door operation, executing Hamas terrorists when they're found, confiscating weapons and trying to find hostages. The bigger question then is, what to do after that? Egypt despite being a muslim majority nation has managed to smash the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, another extremist organisation. The last thing they want is to accept Hamas members across the border and import more Islamic extremism into their midst. Historically they've been content to send aid over the border, but permit very little in way of people back across it. Does Israel resume the military occupation they abandoned in 2005? They hoped it would be the start of peaceful coexistence, but it's clear now Hamas used that peace to gather weapons and train their terrorists before launching the latest animalistic attack. Beats me. I'm entirely guessing and extrapolating from what happened before now.
It's simple if you want people to leave somewhere without bloodshed! cut off food cut off the water and they will have to leave. It's more morally right than not
I really like this young man. He didn’t come to attack, he came for answer. He is mature and concerned about these people’s wellbeing. He ask legitimate questions that we all have. And I wish the response would had been, we cut off their means of survival and we cut them all off. It’s not about hurting innocent people but we have to understand this in war and many will suffer. But remember, they were the who’s who started it. I pray for all the innocent people and hope they never allow these inhumane people to live amongst them again.
restricting resources coming into a location is literally the point of a siege. its meant to break the will of the opponent and force capitulation without completely eradicating them or the location being sieged. there is also a massive difference between civilian casualty as collateral damage in a war effort and deliberately targeting civilians.
"Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including willfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts." When did you last check the rules of international law. I'm not sure I get it, is Israel immune or above international law? I mean we heard the West when they were condemning Russian warcrimes, but what about Israel? Silence
The water and electricity arw paid by Israeli tax payers, Palestine gets it for free and they citizens didn't ruot against Hamas to at least release rhw captives of the country that gives them free amenities... Look at how these idiots are behaving like the Palestinians are entitled to the free water of another country...
As Charlie said, the Israeli authorities asked the residents of the northern half of Gaza to evacuate to the southern half, which they are doing. So they are giving them a chance to leave. And Hamas absolutely knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that there would be severe retaliation. They’re 100% responsible for endangering the lives of their women and children!! What else did they expect?! 🙄 For that matter, if it’s as horrible there as they claim, why are they even having children? Whose fault is it that they have so many kids? 🤔 (side note, I like that Charlie let the kid say a final thought).
@@demons1790how is that worse than what you say? Yeah they murder kids and rape women but Israel was mean to them so...there are two sides to the story. No. You cannot murder someones family and then when it is time for retaliation, be all..guys lets give peace a chance, as the blood still drips from your hands...
Palestinians pimp out kids like it's going out of fashion in all arav countries that will have to be supported by the West they can't feed themselves so let's have kids by the lorry load
Charlie Kirk is simply awesome. He’s so well prepared so well spoken and tries to find some commonality with someone at the end of their debate. Provided the individual doesn’t get hostile. Which is usually a sign that the other person is losing the argument.
Israel takes their land, massacres women and children over the years, then kills innocent children as retaliation? oh and what the hell is The US jumping in? why don't they do that with Ukraine?
Spoken like a person in the comfort of their own home who has never had been pushed, shoved and threatened from the end of a gun to accept what we give you or else.
You have to be a complete ignorant person to think that. The people of Gaza have been in prison there for years and years and if families try to escape they are killed it is an open-air prison in comparing that to a free country and drawing a parallel there is idiotic it is unethical it is appalling and disgusting. The people in Gaza have been kept surveilled bombed sniped brutalized have their water shut off on a weekly basis their electricity shut off on a weekly basis they don't have proper garbage service. It is an open-air prison and has been for years and years of course the people are going to retaliate against that kind of evil. Charlie Kirk is putting himself right up there with the Nazis when he says this b*******.
This kid just has compassion, which is totally understandable. He has just been indoctrinated to blame the defender and not the aggressor. Which is what we are seeing today with law enforcement- radicals defending the criminals instead of the victims.
Kids read a paragraph in an online article and think they are experts on the topic. These people have hated, hated with vengeance for generations and generations, and they think it can be stopped and lay blame because of feelings…
One thing Kirk touched on was the fact that "PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE" that my friends is the one inescapable FACT that cannot be gotten around where war is concerned. It is important that it was brought up because I'm going to give you a little history lessons that they don't teach in schools, but should. General Eisenhower and Churchill were at loggerheads about Britain using their bombers in Operation Overlord, at Normandy. Britain was bombing Germany but Eisenhower needed the bombers at Normandy to pull off Operation Overlord. Churchill DID NOT want to quit bombing Germany for any reason. What Eisenhower did next was one of the many, many, many extraordinary things he did to get those bombers. Eisenhower went to France's president DeGaulle and asked his permission to destroy things like bridges, electric plants and other important infrastructure and assured DeGaulle that French citizens were going to die in doing so. DeGaulle gave the go ahead since that seemed the only way to liberate France from the Nazis. It was a tough time and leaders had to make some tough decisions that cost real lives. DeGaulle's reasoning was that the French needed to do their part and make their sacrifices for the success of defeating the Nazis. That conversation between two reasonable men is what won Churchill over, Put Eisenhower in complete control of the war and led to the success of Operation Overlord, which up until then was the most massive military undertaken by far in the world's history. Over `150K men & over 7000 ships were involved in Overlord. With the deception of the Germans that they were going to land north of Normandy, and all that military movement and some luck Overlord was a raging success. Within 48 hours Allied forces had put 500K men into France to fight the Nazis and helped to end WW!! on the European theater. Yes, there is no escaping the fact that people are going to die needlessly in war, but sometimes those decisions of death actually save countless lives that would have been lost otherwise. Eisenhower went ahead with Overlord "KNOWING" that in 24 hours about 70% of those he sent to the shores of Normandy would be dead. THAT is one hell of a decision to weigh down one man's soul! I couldn't have made those decisions I don't think.
Multiple nations provided resources to Palestinians through the UN and running water systems were installed. It didn’t take long for them to dig up the water mains and use the pipes as bodies for rockets.
These young people nowadays appear to have no reference as to what it takes to fight a war. Denial of services is a very important tool in fighting against any adversary. Water is one of the most important services anyone can ever need, so denying access to water is a substantial tool in fighting that conflict. Maybe that denial of water will help the innocent people being affected to make the decision to help fight against the terrorists so they can regain their access to those services.
Example if how questionable a "Palestinian" may be about separating from Hamas and Anti-Jewish views for example is the fact that a Pizza store there used the image of a Holocaust survivor they kidnapped as a marketing ploy to sell and used disgusting language to celebrate the capture. How about after news reaches Germany evil scum that came from there celebrated with giving out candies...
It was so unfair of the British during the Blitz to not supply the Nazi's with food was water! And also, the USA, how dare they not give Japan oil after Pearl Harbor! 🙄🙄🙄
To answer the kids question ‘What does water have to do with war”. What is the most humane way to get civilians to leave an area you are about to attack?
I thank God that there are Charlie Kirk's of this world. This is what young minds these days are being taught in schools and universities. It is frightening that these kids will be running this world one day.
A soldier must be disciplined when doing their duty. They mustn’t let the anger of the citizens translate into excesses in war deaths. It is difficult not to give the people that voted for these monsters exactly what they asked for. “For they shall sow wind, and reap a whirlwind.”-Osee 8:7
Assuming that you are referring to the people of the Gaza strip, although I agree with your sentiment I am not sure that those were real "elections" . Hamas has manipulated the situation to use the Palestinian civilians as their human shields because they knew that too many people would then blame Israel for the civilian casualties. The Hospital charade was another of their wonderful media tactics
Charlie what you need to tell them is look at this as a liberation for the Palestinians from Hamas. Once the Palestinians are free from Hamas Palestinians will be free of terrorism.
Not really… their book teaches them to kill all infidels. And their parents teach them that Israel is theirs. So even if Hamas, (or the Taliban, or ISIS, or any of these groups in various places are eradicated), as long as they follow that book, new ones will always pop up, around the world.
@@LittleLulubee it's more than the Book. These People have familial ties , to the People that tried to slaughter the Jews , in 1948. Same Families. They teach this mindset Cradle to Grave and have since they originally lost, in 1948. In Israel proper there are Palestinians that chose Peace in 1948, and they are actually Israeli Citizens, cause few problems. Gazans and those in the West Bank were always committed to the eradication of the Jews. They learn this from cradle to grave. This preceded Hamas.
The innocent Palestinians are regretfully casualties of war. Israel needs to give them more time to leave their homes, and make sure they have water, food, and somewhere safe to stay.
@@ricktaylor3748 Then Hamas will blend in and be at the front to move out. It's not like they wear uniforms that state they are Hamas. They blend in with the population.
...but this specific case doesn't apply. He made a point that we can all relate to and understand. He doesn't want to see innocents die. He spoke well enough and he listened. He even seemed to begin to understand Charlie's point at the end. I agree that colleges across America are filled with retards but this kid wasn't one of them.
To be fair this young man was fairly level headed. He probably doesn't get the whole story between the Israelis and the Palestinians and so is missing some crucial facts and info but he does seem to realise the harshness the Palestinians have it in Gaza (he just doesnt know the exact reasons why) and asks decent questions and he's calm and polite about it compared to a lot of the young people that just shout and scream their Propaganda. He sounds like someone who is prepared to listen and that is what most young people today are lacking. ✌🏼
@@LittleLulubee Ignorance is not getting all the facts before voicing an opinion on an issue. So despite him being civil, which many of these students and people are not, he still does not have all the facts.
Using God's name, in condoning the forced suffering and death of innocent children, will lead you to Burn in the Lake of Fire! If you are one of God's children, then you will repent day and night for this!! Your soul is in immediate danger!!
@@canex.brainrot But you are talking to me about things that you do not understand. If you cared about reading and Understanding what is in your Bible, then I would be able to explain to you better. Can you not see that it is very difficult for me to explain anything to you if you refuse to read your Bible? Apologies if my words go over your head: We are currently in the middle of the Greatest Spiritual War that there has ever been, yet you have not even read the Book of Revelation! If you had read the Book of Revelation you would know that hell is not permanent, but the Lake of Fire is for ever and ever!! (You are letting yourself down by walking these Final Days without reading your Bible!!) There is no "right side" in this "war"; both leaderships are controlled by Satan. However, there ARE innocent children involved in this massacre in Gaza!! Children that belong to my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!! And hence; it is very important that you do NOT support the Israeli invasion of Gaza!! There are many Lukewarm Christians who support the synagogue of Satan, just because Satan gave this modern state the fallacious name of "Israel"! They are too blind to see that the Israel of the Bible and the modern state of Israel are two very different things altogether!! The Israel of the Bible in today's world are the followers of Christ!! Anyone who has condoned this murder and forced suffering of innocent children needs to repent day and night for this! ALL innocent children are children of God!! This condoning of war against innocent children will lead you Burn and Suffer in the Lake of Fire!! I hope this answers your questions. But as I have already said: all of your answers are contained within your Authorised Bible! Please start by reading/listening to the Book of Revelation: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_MwOTnyQ0XA.htmlsi=Hp8O9QOfVufuQ5SF
Sadly, civilians are always collateral damage. I wish it wasn’t so but the nature of War rarely if ever, limits casualties to just Military or Terrorist combatants….
I love how civilised these conversations are, most videos like this are about "owning" the opposite view. But these are respectful debates and thats what i as someone in the middle really appreciates
I wouldn’t really call this dude anti Israel tbh I think he genuinely just has the interests of the civilian population in mind. Like Charlie said, there’s no good solution for this. Kids are going to die and it’s absolutely terrible
Of course they can leave the Gaza Strip! It is Egypt that has closed their border with Gaza - fellow muslims to them, yet they ignore them and close their borders!
You can't have evil decapitating babies and massacre over 1200 people, intentionally hiding behind Palestinian civilians to escalate casualties on both sides. You must respond strategically and violently to regain respect/protect innocent lives. Unfortunately, innocent people will die.
Sadly this kid does not understand the basics of war. "Cut off resources to the enemy." By doing this you weaken them and actually reduce the amount of combat that occurs. This tactic saves lives.
I totally agree with Kirk's answer. Having said that, I think this student's question was thoughtful, and calmly stated. Not an entirely unreasonable question.
Now I understand why some people are against these events. They end up being terrible publicity for the universities when students like this one show up
Children like this are the universities these days. Heightened within the most elite institutions. Ivy League Universities are the most poisonous. If we do not teach our children nuance, their minds will be poisoned by invariably overtly liberal teachers and professors.
Yep fuck freedom of speech, it doesn't apply to anyone who is critical of the government of Israel, how fuckin nice it must be to be the Israeli government, no one is allowed to criticize anything you do, even murdering innocent men women and children is somehow justified but if and only if it's the Israeli government doing the killing
This kid needs to be drafted He will go home and hone his x box skills and eats some snacks then take a nap and resume when he’s fully rested and find time to solve world problems
@@Blackferret66hamas have been brutalising civilians. Actually you will find Palestinians who live under Israel rule, have good jobs, nice life styles, good education, can become mks in the Israeli Knesset etc that's the FACTS. You are deliberately ignoring the fact that tiny little Israel are Surrounded by at least 5 much larger nations then them, whose sole purpose is to wipe out Israel.. Have you forgotten how tiny Israel fought multiple wars by themselves, outnumbered by the Islamic nations, but guess what, they won! When you win wars, you keep what you got. Should every single nation who won wars like USA, UK, etc give away all the land they won? Fact is there have always been Jews in Israel, way before 1948. Arafat himself said "There is no such thing as a Palestinian People"its used to describe Muslims in Israel, but for propaganda
My two sons since the age of 4 have participated in combat sports where they spar everyday. The mat never lies. They learn valuable lessons about losing with grace and winning humbly. They test their skills, test their theories, and they get outcome based feedback real time every day. Most kids growing up in the west are soft. They sit online and pontificate in theory instead of going out to the real world to feel what it really feels like. Most of these kids have never felt pressure. Most of these kids have not had to deal with any type of loss......nevermind real loss or hardship. My kids will hopefully never face unnecessary hardship......but we try to recreate it every day so they can operate under pressure and truth.
I thought I was the only one who thought that. Also the title is totally misleading. I don't see how this student is anti-Israeli, he just doesn't believe innocent people should have their water supply cut off. What is so objectionable about that?
Because the morons in this comment section eat it up. Everything on social media is amplified to turn a simple difference in opinion into “so and so gets wrecked”. The conservative media is just as guilty as the left-wing media.
I agree. It’s nice to see people give him credit. He wasn’t wrong- he just had a difference of opinion. He doesn’t deserve all the criticism he’s getting from the comments.
If, after this horrific atrocity, Israel levels the Gaza strip and takes it back; they are entirely justified. They won't, but they would be entirely justified. The thing is, when the controlling authority houses attack emplacements in/under schools, hospitals and apartments, specifically telling people not to leave when warned, because their deaths are good for the conflict, that authority has forfeited any claim to legitimacy, or victimhood when responses come.
You know that happened many years ago in a way. In 1948, Israel's country had lended half of Jerusalem to Egypt and the Arabs. I think it was "East Jerusalem" but don't quote me. Well afterwards, Egypt and others attacked Israel out of the blue about 20 years later in what was called "The Six Day War." Well, Israel retaliated something mighty! Their counterattack was so dynamic that the Israelis even raced into a portion of Egypt in their attack. However, Russia intervened and told Israel to return to the border, which the Israelis did. But in the aftermath, Egypt lost East Jerusalem. A true story
These wet behind the ear college kids need to see the reality that life is a struggle and sometimes we have to do things we don't like to do. And there are "NO SAFE SPACES"! When I was growing up the majority of kids usually had to work through problems on our own. Unless it was something very serious, we wouldn't dare come home from school or anywhere else and complain or whine about a problem. We had to figure out how to handle a situation and take care of it. If we didn't handle it the best way possible, the parents would step in and correct us and not necessarily by talking about the problem. Sometimes if we screwed up the solution to the problem, we'd get grounded, or the belt would come out. If someone disrespected you, or threatened you, you'd crack them right then. No damn safe space, or whine to someone. And here's the thing. It's not as much the kid's fault. A large part of it is the parents' fault. Parents got lazy over the years and didn't teach their sons and daughters to be real men and true women.
In some cases, Charlie Kirk is correct. In war, cutting off resources to your enemy is a very common tactic. This is especially true in cases where you can't find your enemy (like Hamas). However, in the example Charlie gave of the US fighting Cuba, there is a clear understanding of where the military and government targets are. As a result, cutting off resources like water and food to the nation (if that was within your power) would affect non-combatants. It might also be considered a war crime in some cases.
A war crime? Good grief. So I guess you would have been against dropping those bombs on Japan? Even though, had we not, many Americans would have died to finally get Japan to surrender.
@@cjs7553 Not necessarily. The Japanese would have surrendered if the allies agreed that the emperor could not face any prosecution. Collateral damage is common in war no matter what side perpetrates it. Ask yourself one question, would you be fine if you or one of your love ones were affected by the atomic bombs the hit Hiroshima? Had you been personally affected, you might consider it to be a war crime too.
A proportionate response to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor would have been a reciprocal attack by the US on one of the Japanese bases instead of a declaration of war. Who thinks that would have changed the trajectory of the Japanese military? (Not my analogy, but one that I like).
I think I understand the point you’re making. That a “proportionate” response to an enemy intent on war is useless. By December 7, 1941 - Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor, Hawaii; also attack the Philippines, Wake Island, Guam, Malaya, Thailand, Shanghai and Midway. They had already invaded China and Manchuria by 1937. Seems like their “trajectory” was already established and their attack on Pearl Harbor was to keep the USA from preventing them from conquering Asia which was their stated goal from the outset
Who says we had to be proportionate? We didn't have the element of surprise. If attacking a Japanese base was easy, we would have done that early in the war.
