Charlie Kirk Vs. Socialist College Professor Ben Burgis 

Totally agree.

Exactly

What does anyone gain from this?

It's a real shame that a large majority of leftists don't believe that, they don't believe in honest dialogue, they don't believe in logic or truth or reason, they don't believe in objective truth, I don't think they actually believe in anything, that's why they're not even willing to protect free speech, they don't believe that speech results in anything good, while I still believe that the majority of people on Earth understand that speech and dialogue is important and the only way for us to find truth, there are a lot of people who reject that and ultimately if we can't speak one another to find common ground, then the only alternative is war, we used to know this, we are really losing connection with everything true and good and real in life and if we don't stand up for it, we're going to lose civilization altogether

@@gilbertaviles2102 do you not believe that there is any value to conversation? Do you not believe that there's any value in people who disagreeing talking it out?, Do you not believe in free speech? Do you not believe that truth is found through dialogue? Are you a complete nihilist?

@Smiles and the Twisted MD No Quarter Asked. No Quarter Given.

@Smiles and the Twisted MD It's not a dichotomous world. Shades of Grey

@Smiles and the Twisted MD Do you know what that means?

Nah. We need more screeching liberals. This was boring. I miss the Ben Shapiro type of ownage. No more of these mature talks. Please keep doing college campuses or bring in a colored hair guest.

Civil debates are great but when you still have people calling themselves Democratic Socialist and not recognizing that they are the opposite side of the same evil coin how far can civil debates or discussions take us? Dictators or mob rule don't make any difference.

Charlie's wearing a shirt that says "socialism sucks" but he drove to the studio on a road paved by socialism.

Not to argue, but please elaborate. @@jamesjeffers4390

@@jamesjeffers4390make no mistake it was capitalism, the paving company charged government x times more than regular they would to a regular customer. Government has deep pockets, because they have unlimited access to the money they take from workers. And when its not enough they turn on the little money printer, with future charge to your and my grandchildren. If you look at it closely, Amazon has a long waiting list of people looking for a job. Is not like they are tied to their akles with chains and iron balls. Human life is tough, but not for that we should feel entitled to the fruits of other individuals work

​@@jamesjeffers4390government maintained roads is not socialism.

@@temporaryscars Governments funded by tax payer dollars AKA socialism

Well you can't have them. The DNC and their paramilitary wings are not interested in debate or civil discourse. They're interested in "progress" and, if you're in the way, you're expendable.

Most conservatives are like this .

Then u like more conversations and discussions, debates have a tendency to go be about winning instead of pursuing truth.

Still condemned for being a socialist (communist) and being the cancer that rotted the country.

@@derkatwork33 Now go do a simple google search for those words and actually learn the definitions. Because American media is not very good with definition lol

He kinda just took he losses instead of fighting back.

Which makes sense bc his ideas are ridiculously dumb, Go TPUSA

@@DocRealTalk leave this country if you want socialism. Period.

Exactly. 16 and 17 yr olds and not 30yr olds trying to raise a family.

America was much better when Portland wasn't actively trying to be worse than Chicago.

America was better before the Marxist left took over due to the infiltration and subversion of anti American groups and interests

@@alphagenisis1 If you're 30 trying to raise a family and your skill set can only rely on a job meant for highschool kids or ones wout a degree, or skill set.. there's your problem right there

@@bigbouncer4196 we can ensure people's skillsets grow for the betterment of themselves and the economy by properly funding our schools and offering higher education.

Lol give me a break. You right wing psychos just went back to "socialism bad" after this debate.

So you're saying that, in order to make sure that working 40 hours a week earns you enough to survive on, we need to take the power to set prices away from the owners. I like it.

@@hoepiesmile1764 what??? Then youre an authoritarian who doesnt give a f about individual freedom. In other words - a lunatic who is dangerous and should never be given any power whatsoever. If the owner hasnt the power over the stuff HE OWNS, he isnt the owner anymore. So you support theft and tyranny. As long as he isnt forcing anyone to do anything, you have zero business to force him to do anything he doesnt want.

@@hoepiesmile1764 I think it's important to note, a person who makes more than 35K a year, is technically in the top 1% of highest earners globally. When starting a business, my business partners (childhood friends) and I paid ourselves 24k/year for the first 5 years and 48k for 5 years after that (while living in Southern California mind you). We shared 2 and 3 bedroom apartments not far from the beach (sometimes sleeping in closets) and used them as our corporate offices. We ate simply, e.g., beans, rice, veg, fruit (and a whole lot of superfood smoothies with green powders etc.) and surfed on old, beat up surfboards for fun (and mostly free). 20 years later, we're "rich" and can now afford to start families. Building wealth in one generation takes sacrifice, discipline and grit in America but absolutely doable. Building wealth in one generation under socialism is statistically improbable and by taking away the incentives for entrepreneurialism/innovation, make the culture lackluster and infantilized (nanny states are creepy/perverse, imho). The red tape and bureaucracy that comes with socialism is infuriating too. Nothing worse than being micromanaged and patronized in my view. I think it's easy to become miscalibrated as Americans when we're in the early, painstaking stages of building wealth and become envious and resentful of those who've succeeded in securing theirs. Traveling to 2nd and 3rd world countries is often helpful in recalibrating one's expectations. Hope this helps.

They use emotion instead of real world experience. McDonald's has no problem raising the minimum wage because of social justice. Lol. They will just raise thr Happy meal to 20.00 easy. They will not lose any money for you but will pat you SJWs on the head and make you think you did something.

@@meowpurrrrr exactly. Wish people would open their eyes.

Statistically it’s close to 100 times….Congratulations to your momma for raising a wise man.

I believe Denzel Washington said something like “if the streets raise you, then the judge becomes your mother and prison becomes your home.”

@@koshea44 and the gangs become your father... you forgot that

So you agree we should have paid family leave then?

@@mranonomousperson all this talk of family and no policies that would actually help them lol

I didn't see you there were you hiding behind the seat. If you were you should have given Charlie a couple of good arguments his were pretty bad.

I don't, I watched him switch back and mince words after Charlie would make a solid point and when he said the usps was amazing I just SMH, I guess kudos to him at least debating but same Ole socialist bait and switch crap

@@lilwhitec4 please an example of this bait and switch you speak of?

@@tonyclifton2230you said his arguments were pretty bad. Can you give an example?

@@bluematter01 a year later you ask me.

So your argument is…”don’t raise their wages because some people won’t like that they aren’t making twice as much?” Why isn’t your argument to raise everyone’s wages, since all wages have mostly been stagnant since the 80s and haven’t kept up with inflation.

@@brianatippens3010 they should gradually raise with inflation. but hes saying the mcdonalds workers who put minimal effort definitely should be comparable to construction workers who bust ass for a measly 7 an hr diff. this means they have to raise wages, and the people above them raise. so on and on. so now everyone has more money, buying more, and corps have to raise prices. guess what youve done. raised inflation.

@@cugnuggler corps don’t have to raise prices just because people have more lineups and are buying more. That doesn’t make sense. They choose to raise prices to gauge people and make more and more profit. Inflation doesn’t happen because people make more money

@@brianatippens3010 you have every right to seek higher training, develop higher skills, and walk into a different workplace that meets your salary expectations. There are no chains on McDonalds workers. Socialist governments down through history have demonstrated regularly that they suck at wage-price manipulations. But you sound like you're all for those worthless clowns running America into the toilet?

@@brianatippens3010 LOL. You should've taken Macro-Economics instead of Home Economics in Junior High. There's so much information you're missing out on

I dont know how people can't see its a bad idea. Adults need help with buying homes, having families not working minimum wage. You could double it and all that would happen is kids and idiots with bigger paychecks that still aren't as much as a salary with benefits

We have $15 minimum wage (people are offering $20 since Covid, to try and incentivize people back to work) in WA State. My kids get paid $15 for working in fast food or cashier positions, but so do factory employees, nursing assistants, and other positions with more physically demanding or more educational/technological training when starting out- that's only ONE problem-with that kind of wage, businesses of any size can only afford to hire part time and very few full-time employees-if any, because they won't have to shoulder the cost of health insurance as well. It's not because business owners dont want people to have health insurance, they simply can't pay for it. When you legislate how much a business is required to pay its employees, you also legislate how much profit they are able to make. The more the wage increase, the more people lose their jobs, get their hours cut, and either lose health insurance or won't be eligible for any in the first place. Businesses just can't pay out what they're required to with these ridiculously high wages, keep their normal number of employees, and then make any sort of profit worth keeping a business open. Socialism DOES NOT work. EQUITY DOES NOT WORK, it never has. It is destroying our Democrat States and will destroy our country eventually, if we dont get control of it.

@@taramckinley7585 So well said. 🤩

Ya, that's how the economy works...

@@taramckinley7585 I agree with everything you stated.. but the reason why it's like that is because of the democrats. U.S.A. is a republic.. not a democracy.

GOOD for you for actually doing impartial research before deciding what you stand for! You couldn't imagine how many people don't or won't do that.

Smart girl

Amen. Same here. The US education system has been misleading generations of American youth. The education system was infiltrated by marxists decades ago and they've slowly sowed their seeds over decades while Americans were asleep at the wheel.

@@dannygreen7473 facts! I honestly don't even care if a person decides they're a liberal.. I just can't stand if they can't even logically explain why; but still try taking "the moral high ground".

Is this why the Republican Party is an elephant? Good memory?

So does that mean you want to go to a US system or make yours even better?

I did not know that. I thought prescriptions, and dental would be included

No we don't have dental. The dental is tough on everyone in the world. I am thankful for the free health care as I've been hurt plenty, 10+ trips to ER, multiple long stays, lots of slow care lol but I never ever had to worry about money then or now bc of my injuries

I wish we had better dental plans we could pay for, we don't have enough private companies. A root canel is 1200 bucks

@@SpiritAA so you have to pay for your dental care out of pocket?

Not to mention a 401k, medical, dental, vision, long term disability, short term disability, pet insurance. Hell, I don't like my job, but I accrue 6.2 hours of vacation per two week pay period. Plus I work from home. Could be much much worse!

@@E_Legal_Alien Sounds pretty sweet. I get my 3rd week of vacation this coming year. Unfortunately I can't really do my plumbing job from home.

He’s literally making a point that would benefit you 😂

@@iBMRaGiNBuLLz I'm good, Chief. Read my factually correct response above. You can benefit from it.

@@eddiepipes2988 please see above my response to what you wrote. Thanks for clarifying though.

Where, when?

@@hoepiesmile1764 do you live in America? Have you not noticed the increase in gas and everything eles?

@@hoepiesmile1764 Are you an American? What do you do for a living?

What about how costs have been sky rocketing everywhere while wages have remained stagnant for the past 40 years?

@@hoepiesmile1764 What are you talking about do you not notice, a couple years ago I could fill my grocery cart up for $150 now it takes well over $400 for the same food that I always buy

Which guy? How did you come to that conclusion? Thanks

@@lynxafrica3677 Which guy? are too dumb to see it?

The American Teachers Federation or Federation of American Teachers or whatever that number 2 teachers union is named had a president who said the students don't pay their dues so the students are not important in their decisions and that as soon as the students do pay dues, their decisions will take the students into account. It is very clear that teachers unions have zero interest in the children and zero interest in family. In fact, teachers unions work incessantly toward removing all rights, authority, and power from the parents of the children the teachers unions are supposed to teach.

They intentionally try and ruin the system

But you have benefitted from teachers unions even by not joining.

No

The Constitution of the U. S. disagrees.

No it doesn't.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;”

@@seannamei You think that proves your point?

"doesn't matter"...see folks, republicans really don't care about kids

@@Luke-te2ez who said I was republican? Only someone brain dead as yourself, would take what I wrote as not caring about kids. Nice try though.

That’s the beauty of our system, the only thing stopping anyone from attaining the American Dream is themselves! I came her from Canada 32 years ago and it was the best decision I ever made! Our freedoms and almost unlimited choices from the grocery store to career paths are primarily due to our very wise founding fathers and our Construction, thank God for their wisdom!

Tell that to the child labours in China, they are working harder than you ever will, but they barely make enough money to buy food. The minimum wage is the single greatest protection to stop slavery and a christain duty.

Actually. So many ppl would be in better places in kmlife if they stopped complaining and acting as victims, but instead focused up and put in the work. You dont get things for free lol There's a reasons asians are doing better on average

@@fz0gtgstupid rhetoric

Maybe Shapiro can break the combo

Charlie lost the minute he put on a shirt that says "socialism sucks" and then got in his car and drove to the studio on roads paved by socialism. Oh yeah, also when he's never had a real job in his entire life and was born with a silver spoon in his hand. Mommy and daddy have provided him with nothing but handouts. Again, he hates socialism for the poor, but loves it for himself.

​@@PaladinLeeroy42069the supremacist? Nah

@@PaladinLeeroy42069 i doubt shapiro and charlie would be debating anything. it would just be 2 friends conversing.

The socialist dude is not a nice guy . He is a loser because he is a professor who can not even operate in the system he criticizes has no practical plan but to give more money and authority to an omnipotent irresponsible idiotic government . Socialism is a removal of your rights in exchange for free stuff . They who hand out money , THEY OWN YOU . The man is pure evil ……

True Evil has no purpose of teaching you to be a master of Civility in Society. It's all about using you up to The Great Reset Global Communist Government.

@@billbobby2646 sorry but they are not going to change much minds

Absolute truth

MRI in Canada is free but I had to wait 4 months. I had to pay for an MRI in the US and waited 4 hours. Pick your poison.

And you know what he would’ve said to that first point? Most people coming here from Canada for healthcare are usually just for nonessential or non-life threatening procedures like plastic surgery. And also most of those people are rich enough to commute here and they can afford it. That stat is meaningless in regards to everyday people. Honestly, Charlie not using that tactic is actually good form and a very rare instance where he’s not being intellectually dishonest

@@NJDesa-ny9by 🤣

@@blovelet3 That's all you got? Can't even respond to the substance of my point? Typical Kirk Cultist. Sad...

@@NJDesa-ny9by I live 5 miles from Canadian border and I have tons of Canadian friends. You are full of shit and you know it. How is that for substance. What happens on paper and real life are much different.

We have the same issues here in the United States that is why lots of americans go to Mexico for treatment with their serious condition. We have it worse here.

But its "Free"

It's free doe, and if you want "special" treatment ( faster time ) then you can always go to a private hospital.

The government does not take half your paycheck. Why are you lying? Canadian here too! Any Canadian can dispute your dumb ideologically driven lie

​@@iulianviorelmosteanu2800 man you're attitude is awful

I'm also from the uk. The nhs and it's failings are because the Tories are underfunding it.

Is dental care, and prescription medicine covered as well under the NHS? I read a post from a Canadian who said they don't have those things

The ONLY people benefitted by a privatized healthcare system are the wealthy.

@@erikhendrickson59 I have privatized health insurance, and I am not wealthy. Its through my employer.

@@delilah9334 Which usually means that the insurance does not cover all dental treatments. But you have that in the private market as well. Which, by the way, is also criticized in countries with a state health system.

VA is great

The VA sucks there's nothing but pharma pushing doctors in there long wait times or never getting to see your physician a constant rotating door of doctors nurses and staff the VA is the example of free health care for all it would not be a good thing

@@er8430 wait till you try regular healthcare

Other countries have figured out answers to all those questions, and their systems are so popular that even the right-wing parties pretend to support them (like how the GOP pretends to support social security and Medicare here). An honest comparison of healthcare systems around the world makes it clear that the Government is just more efficient at providing healthcare than the private sector. The UK spends 40% of what we spend on healthcare as a percentage of GDP and gets better outcomes, because it's run by the government. Canada spends about half what we do and gets better outcomes because the government runs insurance but not the hospitals.

@@mranonomousperson better outcomes on what scale? Did you know for serious surgeries and procedures many Canadians come to the US and pay out of their pocket for service here? There has been many documented examples of the waits taking so long in Canada and the UK that people die before they get in. Not an exaggeration. Broken leg, oh you can wait two weeks to get it set right? I mean it’ll have to be broken again by the doctor when he finally sees you to set it. But that’s okay! Some of these systems charge you 40% tax rate for these healthcare yet you still pay out of pocket for medication, dental, and vision. Yes these systems are costing less on the grand scheme of total costs. But let’s not pretend their perfect systems that should just immediately applied here.

Universal health care now.

@@outdatedfarmequipment2702 Sure, lets also give UNIVERSAL HC to the millions of illegals that work under the table and send all their money to their family overseas. WHO IS PAYING FOR IT???

This guy is a dreamer. Good guy but he really should just shut up and try an actual job for awhile

@@zarlok5294 imagine making this argument on a charlie kirk youtube video while overlooking the guy who gets paid to sht post on twitter all day LOL, it sucks to suck bro

You don't hear it as often because free market capitalism is so obviously intellectually indefensible once you acquaint yourself with history and what the data tells us. Trying to deflect by pinning it all on "elite" institutional capture is boorish anti-intellectualism, simple as that. There's real critiques of bias in academia but you won't hear it from the right, especially when they frame it in their own unhinged authoritarian doublespeak about "academic freedom", aka cancel culture

@@janosmarothy5409 yep this is why guys like charlie kirk are always going to come off as incoherent and silly when they try to do right-wing working class populism. After you think about what he is saying for more than 5 minutes, he's so obviously scripted and bad at his job of shtposting all day on twitter and facebok and paying people to make goofy memes.

@@janosmarothy5409 can you explain your last sentence?

I can’t tell if socialist are ignorant or evil. They have to know raising the number doesn’t mean more money.

You’re more worried about business development and reducing they’re profits instead of people not even able to make a living without 2 jobs.

beep boop

You mean like the only 745 comments as well? I believe views and comments are low out of fear of being outed as a racist Christian conservative, it sounds stupid and crazy but there's so much conspiratorial speak out there about people being spied on that use social media so folks avoid controversial topics or platforms to keep from being outed, labeled and shamed...

@@pinkocommiee1 yeah lol no it's bots. There are plenty of comments on Shapiro or crowder. Charlie kirk is just so dumb that people dont actually watch him unless they are making fun of him or they are dumb af.

@@bunchycarter8024 man you truly don't like dude huh? I've only seen him on townhall type videos teamed up with other conservative talking heads have no real opinion of dude myself... but as for the bots yeah I can agree with that, hell Twitter got big off of bots why not RU-vid?! 🤣

@@pinkocommiee1 I mean he's a fascist mouth piece and ultra nationalist (read neo nazi), so I would say that yes, I really dont like him

I live in Denmark and I don’t have to worry about my kids being able to afford healthcare because it’s a right here and free at the point of service.

@@countthemoon4956 We are not the same, you have a country of 6 million people, we have upwards of 350 million plus how many other undocumented/ illegal citizens in the country, and demographics and social cohesion is your country is far different than the United States, most medical innovation comes from the United states, that labor cost for that innovation needs to be paid , there are so many different variables that make scaling a right of health care something next to impossible in the United states

@@hossbonaventure_ceo6693 excuses excuses

@@countthemoon4956 wow you have really convinced me

@@countthemoon4956 I'm gonna listen to somebody with as many citizens as one county in one of our states, your so stupid it's painful, your basically a big commune who's mostly white, you know nothing about the complexities of the world.

Change the laws so only non-citizens pay tax while "people on a pathway to citizenship" pay taxes. That way "legally" and "illegally" makes no difference to "citizens". But we can't do that because people don't understand what Corporations are.

@@Teddypally how could you possibly track if illegals are paying taxes since they aren't in the system??

@@lescobrandon9539 "provide a pathway to citizenship" You provided the parameters. Don't hate the answerer, hate the answer.

@@lescobrandon9539 Also, raise the sales tax and give income tax rebates. That effectively transfers money from the undocumented to the documented.

@@Teddypally charlies guest used that term not me. My perimeters would be come here legally or your out. Pretty simple.

Isn’t disagreement the point of a debate?

So he wants a country more ethnically homogeneous?....🤔

Or just give him a Twinkie

Why should taxation be a matter of fairness?

​@antonioiniguez1615 It's not fair that 1% of the population gets to be lazy and benefit from *their* tax dollars. Even though, those same tax dollars save and help the 25% of the population that isn't lazy and are struggling to pay for their life threatening care.

@@darkfire8008 Once again, why should taxation be about fairness?

@@antonioiniguez1615 Last comment pointed out why, but maybe talking like the opposition made it too difficult to understand. Bluntly: Ensuring every citizen has access to minimum/basic necessities allowing them to further place their financial gains back into said taxes.

Because a single payer system wouldn’t have the ridiculous limitations and conditions any current American health insurance plan is going to have, and the elimination of the health insurance industry would drive down the cost of medical procedures and pharmaceuticals as they’re all deliberately overpriced so the insurance industry makes a profit. You would also pay less in taxes under a single payer system than you currently do for any American healthcare plan.

Freedom of choice.......what a great freedom.....NOT! Oh yes person who cannot afford medical treatment, aren't you happy you can choose between all these different insurances and medical bills that will bankrupt you?

Must be nice to be able to choose non-shitty insurance and get medical treatment

Must be nice to be able to choose what school you can take ur kids too, and choose which car you want to drive them there in

@@Luke-te2ez Yeah, like my current job has one of the best health benefits of any employer provided health insurance in the country and they’re still shit.

so just do what nixon did and set price controls!

Intellectuals always appear that way. It's how they get people to be servile to them.

Many intellectuals are so preoccupied with the notion that their own special knowledge exceeds the average special knowledge of millions of other people that they overlook the often far more consequential fact that their mundane knowledge is not even one-tenth of the total mundane knowledge of those millions. -Thomas sowell

@Smiles and the Twisted MD I agree completely. But he isn't dressed in a gorilla mask attacking black people. I disagree with him nearly 100% but he is at least sane

@Smiles and the Twisted MD Never said he wasn't dangerous. Ted Bundy was nice also.

@Smiles and the Twisted MD That's literally makes no sense, take minimum wage for example that empically would improve the lives of the working class.

We have fewer social safety nets than every other developed country and productivity has increased over the last 20 years. Workers have gotten more productive, getting more done in less time, with less financial help from the government overall! What lazy people are you talking about?! So many people in this country are working poor, getting up everyday working 2 or 3 jobs just to stay afloat! It’s not about being handed things without having to work, it’s about building a society where the majority of citizens aren’t drowning, where the government supports it’s citizens health and well being!

​@@brianatippens3010I must be imagining all the homeless addicts and lazy know-it-all college students.

You hate it because those countries are better

@@RonaldhinoMcLean wow you are special.

We’re a rich, powerful country. I am skeptical when I hear cheers of exceptionalism in one moment, and rejections of it the next. Our political policies were roughly in line with these nations at multiple points throughout our history, and the policies we did copy scaled up well enough. I do not see any reason that they still cannot do so given that our wealth has only risen since then and given a willingness to problem solve.

@@RonaldhinoMcLean no… they’re not lol 😂 America is the greatest nation in all of human history

Wow that is very convenient isn't it. So you can just reject the whole concept of comparing the US to any other country out of hand

"had to control the conversation"? Were we watching the same debate? Charlie kept cutting him off and changing the subject without addressing his points

He DOES know more than Charlie. He's literally a professor who has dedicated his life to studying. Charlie is a college dropout who's had everything handed to him by his rich mommy and daddy and gets paid millions to spread conservative propaganda and misinformation. Seriously, imagine unironically thinking Charlie Kirk is an authority on ANYTHNG. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

When did this happen?

@D C If the profit from your labour is taken away, people stop working. See former Soviet Union. It destroys incentive, work ethic and the economy.

Used to be a sticker on every dashboard you’d read if you were hitchhiking in the 70’s/80’s “cash, grass or ass, NObody rides for free” so always had 5 bucks or a joint cuz I ain’t blowing NObody!

@@lindakeays2864 so your father worked less to prove the point that his own incentive to work more was taken away through taxation? It’s like he was taxing his own family at a rate if 25% just to make a point to himself

@@lindakeays2864 The profit from your labour is taken away, by your boss. The incentive to work comes from wanting to not starve.

@@hoepiesmile1764 NOBODY should be forced to starve in America, where we throw away tens-of-billions of pounds of food every single year.

This is why centralized power is never a good idea, most of the power goes to individual states. Democrats would prefer the federal government make all laws and they force states to follow

Both private fire and police depts were tried in the US by people who were dead set against state provision. They were a massive failure.

Just curious, how/why did they fail?

@@delilah9334 Basically because crime and fires can spread and get out of control if only the rich can pay for police and fire. It's just a lot more efficient for the government to provide these services. The same is true of infectious diseases and this is one reason that public healthcare systems tend to be a lot less expensive for an given level of public health compared to a private systems across countries (IMO this is not the only reason, but one important reason). In ancient Rome, private fire brigades were so exploitative that they would basically coerce people into selling their estates to them dirt cheap before putting out the fire on their newly acquired property. This is where the term "fire sale" comes from.