Does anyone else get whiplash watching mutton chops tobacco videos because you keep flipping between his video and your wishlist online? I doubt I’m alone in this.
Your videos got me started about 4 years ago but I never saw this one. It parallels my experiences, though. I started out smoking cherry and vanilla aromatics but on my second round of ordering tobacco, Cornell & Diehl caught my eye with some blends named for aspects of HP Lovecraft's world. I ended up buying a tin of "Awakened Elder" to see what this unknown-to-me-at-the-time company thought eldritch horror tasted like. I opened the tin and immediately got the smell of campfire. Completely the opposite of what I thought I wanted out of pipe tobacco. The complete opposite of what I imagined myself smoking. I packed a loose bowl in a fresh corn cob pipe, and told myself I must get through the whole bowl before judging it... I could not believe how much depth there was to the flavor compared to what I was smoking before, and the various flavor changes as the temperature changes and as the sugars caramelize. I smoked the whole tin in two days. I proceeded to spend a ridiculous amount of money on tinned tobacco including pounds of Dunhill Early Morning and Nightcap, both of which were discontinued and I had no idea for two whole years because that's how long it took me to go through what I bought that night. It's all the more surreal since there are no pipe or tobacco stores anywhere near me and I think I might be the only pipe smoker in all of Brooklyn.
Thanks to you I have bought White Knight and Firestorm and am enjoying them both immensely! I absolutely love Pembroke but it's so hard to get that I save it for special occasions.Literally if it weren't for you I would be missing out on some great tobacco! Hope you had a great summer!!
Finally smoked my first English blend, Presbyterian Mix. Prior to this I had been turned towards aromatics such as Blue Note and Lane Black Raspberry by a local tobaccanist, and while they were lovely smokes (for the most part), I was interested in expanding my pallet. His selection of non aromatic blends was very underwhelming, so I budged and went online to get together a variety of blends. Glad I did. Got myself some Dunhill Dark Flake, Captain Earle's Private Stock, and Presbyterian Mix. Very optimistic for the future because of how satisfied I was with the Presbyterian.
There is a major difference between casings and toppings. A topping will be put on the tobacco fir the final flavor where as a casing is just a sugary preservative that will lightly enhance the raw tobacco.
Yeah, I found his vid confusing regarding casings and toppings. What you're saying is that topping is flavor but casing is a preservative. I don't understand how flavor topping can be on a non-aromatic. Cheers.
When describing tobacco flavour I think it is important to remember that everyone's palette is unique. For example, as soon as you said that you got a molasses taste instead of a licorice taste, I immediately thought that I have had some molasses that tasted just like some licorice.
Yeah I had a pack of tobacco that was labelled "apples and currant" and tasted like it, but when I gave the bag to my neighbour and she smelled it she said it was prunes. Another package that I had bought, the seller said it was just a blend of virginias and burley, and it tasted to me like a good non aromatic blend, but when I studied the package, it was written that it tastes like vanilla. Although the tobacco itself smells indeed lightly like vanilla, I can't taste it in the smoke...
Great video, I have tried Fire Storm based on one of your previous videos and it has become my favorite. I can't wait to try these other 2. I have shied away from them because of their names. Thanks again my friend.
Just like in whiskey when they say liquorice it's usually a deep spicy sweet flavor. I think molasses or dark rich caramel w a touch of cinnamon and or hint of rosemary.
Nice video sir. Just a different perspective here, but as someone who does not enjoy aromatic tobaccos, I LOVE Orlik Dark Strong Kentucky. I started off trying drugstore aromatics and it nearly turned me off of the pipe smoking hobby before I even got started good. I lean heavily towards Virginia/Perique blends and straight Virginias, but still very much enjoy the DSK. So I think those are great blends you mentioned for everyone to try, no matter what their opinion of aromatics. I enjoy watching your videos. Keep it up.
Super super helpful. I'm sort of a novice but I'm learning a lot from your reviews / tips/ I have to be careful on VA blends especially with the aromatic I have ... the reason tongue bite. I've found some VA / Cavendish / Burley to be just fine and the one English I picked up called "Navigator" (bulk at our tobacco store) to be super cool. I am ranking my tobacco in a row based on propensity to tongue bite or not. I'm also carefully drying and sipping. it's getting better in most cases. Watched you video on tongue bite and breath method, drying ... it's helped immensely. I find some blends just burn hecka hot so it takes better technique or some special "gift" not to get in trouble.
Thomas Wilcox - Wonderful, I am so glad that my video guidance has helped you with smoking your pipe, I am the same Strait Virginia's, and Va/per's I have to be careful with as well, my favorite is oriental forward English, for me they are less bighty, 😃😃😃
Another great video! I've been a piper for over a year. I thought I would try a non-aromatic, Dunhill's Nightcap. The name,Nightcap, fooled me. I thought it would be a lite smoke. It, to me, is a strong campfire like smoke. I liked it! BUT, each time I smoke it I get indigestion.
Darrell Tullier - yikes, yes, Nightcap is one of the strongest non-Aromatics out there, if you want a light English blend might I suggest Early Morning Pipe by Dunhill, I think it would be more in line with what you were looking for. 👍👍👍
Muttnchop Piper... So I ran out and got some Early Morning and I'm smoking it now! It's similar to Nightcap, but nearly as harsh, just as you said. Thank you for the recommendation👍
I just finished smoking a bowl of cigar tobacco. The cigars are a couple of Nicarauguan puros that a friend was gifted. He never got around to smoking them and when he gave them to me they were so dried out that they had absolutely no smell that I could detect and they crumbled when handled. Since I have no humidor I put them in a ziplock bag with a large Boveda packet for a couple of months. They now have a nice cigar aroma and they are as good as any non-aromatic I have ever smoked.
Just tried English Blend No.22 by Vauen. It’s a nice introduction to English mixtures when coming from aromatics as it is aromatised with vanilla but it isn’t overkill and gives way to the Latakia in about the last third. Interesting and enjoyable!
It's weird people would be scared of a campfire like tobacco, I just ordered my first pipe and tobaccos and the main thing I searched for was campfire notes lol
As a new piper, it's not the flavor I'm afraid of, it's the nicotine that comes with the dark fired and perique varieties. I have veered away from those kind of blends. Can't relax with my pipe if my head is spinning like a top.
Still being a new piper, I only just finished my first tin of tobacco which was Peterson luxury blend. It was pretty good, but I cracked open my second pipe tobacco ever which was Father the flame, and I 100% enjoyed the English blend better than the aromatic. Tonight I will be enjoying a bowl of night cap. :) To other new pipers..please do yourself a justice and dive into English blends.
I just mixed up some old with new, some aromatic with non aromatics, not much just mixing three small old bags. Light Burley with aromatic blend. Amazing smoke was that just lucky by chance.
I’m a new pipe smoker, and I do not like aromatic tobacco. I got addicted to cigarettes for 5 years after I turned 18. I quit and moved to Vape for a year then quit that and moved to the occasional cigar up until now 29 years old. I’ve never liked flavored tobacco or flavored vape. Dark strong straight tobacco is what I enjoy.
My local tobacconist explained it to me in the same way... two types English or American. American being mainly aromatic and English being non aromatic. I’ve been smoking a pipe for a week but have been tempted for a long while. Cigar smoker mainly but sparingly, went with an English Dunhill replacement, the aromatic had too much of synthetic nose. Might be the cigar smoker in me but flavoured and infused cigars are a straight no, it’s hard to shake when it comes to pipe tobacco. I might ask the tobacconist to do me a sampler of aromatics next time I’m there.
I'm the same way. Originally a cigar aficionado, I abhor aromatic pipe tobaccos for all of the same reasons that I dislike flavoured cigars. One reason I'm wanting to try out all of the G.L. Pease tobaccos is that Greg has made it pretty clear that he doesn't feel "qualified," as he puts it, to blend aromatics.
There are bad aromatics and there are good aromatics. Every flavored cigar I had tasted like ashy butt. There are aromatic pipe tobaccos that way too, but there are some that taste and smell incredible. Wilke has the best tasting aromatics I've had to date - no ashy aftertaste, cool burning, etc., I've also really enjoyed Cult Militia. Really just depends on the individual blend.
New pipe smoker still catching up on old videos. I'm having trouble understanding what an aromatic is then if these blends have flavored toppings but are not aromatics. What distinguishes a blend with flavored topping from a full fledged aromatic blend? Many thanks!
flamdrags - Ok, a full fledged Aromatic is a blend that has been artificially flavored with a sweet flavoring such as caramel, honey, vanilla, berry, or alcoholic spirits such as bourbon, whisky, or wine. A true non Aromatic is a tobacco that has only sugar water as a preservative. Non Aromatics rely on Virginia tobacco for sweetness, Oriental tobacco for a sour taste, perique for spice, and Latakia for a Smokey taste. You get different taste depending on the amountof each type of tobacco you add to the blend. 👍👍👍
I have found that mixing in an Aramaic tobacco with a strong tobacco like dark fired Kentucky helps with both the nicotine rush and the mellowness of the smoke. Simple if you have a tin that is strong, then cut it with something that is not. My two cents.
I want to stay away from anything with a lot of nicotine. According to what I've read, fire cured Kentucky has a high nicotine (low sugar) content (as does Burly, Green River and Perique). Virginia, Maryland, Turkish / Oriental and flue cured tobaccos have the highest sugar, lowest nicotine.
Old dark fired isn't an aromatic, right? I'm confused. I didn't think old dark fired had any toppings or casings,it is simply steam pressed. (According to my understanding). Does steam pressed mean that the steam is more than just water? The website says there are no flavorings
Patrick Dougherty - correct, but all tobacco's, well most processed tobacco has a preservative casing of sugar and water, that keeps it moist longer. If I alluded to the fact that it was cased with a flavoring, I apologize. 👍👍👍
Don't get me wrong - I love your videos. But this one has left me completely confused. Please clarify regarding toppings or casings and non-aromatic. Isn't a casing or topping (like molasses, cherry, etc.) adding an aroma to the natural tobacco (such as Virginia, Burley)? Isn't it a contradiction for there to be a casing on a non-aromatic? Thanks.
Dark fired Kentucky??? I spent many hours working Tobacco in my youth and teen years and never saw anything but air cured Burley :) Man I can still smell that sweet chocolate aroma coming from the barns when stripping time was near. Always LOVED the smell of pure barley hanging in the barn. Perhaps thats why im such a fan of Prince Albert Tobacco. Not because its cheap but because it looks, smells, and tastes like that good stuff we used to watch cure in the barn and then get to strip it when the time came. So far its the closest thing I can find to what I consider " Real Kentucky Burley". Full flavor, chocolate aroma in the smell and taste, and must be smoked cool or else it will bite and the wonderful flavors will go straight to hell. For " cheap" Tobacco ole Prince Albert demands some respect thats for sure. You want that natural tobacco flavor you better smoke ole Price real cool and slow. Im from Allen County, Kentucky by the way....right on the border of Tennessee. Im South east of Bowling Green and almost due north of Nashville. Glad to meet another Kentuckian on youtube my friend! Im surprised your not more of a Burley guy being a Kentuckian and all. Geez I feel all alone out there preferring burley in my pipe LOL
JohnnyRebKy - It’s good to meet you my friend, my grandfather only smoked Prince Albert, us Grandchildren would give him a tin for Christmas each, so he could smoke on those tins all year, then he would get replenished the following Christmas. I am not really a burly man sorry but Matches 860 is, he is another RU-vid pipe presenter, you might want to check his videos out. 👍👍👍
LOVE that Orlik Dark Strong Kentucky... Even the next day I get random flavors/smells of hickory smoked beef jerky (whether it's on my beard or in my mouth Idk)
I've had Old Dark Fired, and I like it alot. Is there much of a difference between Mac Baren's Old Dark Fired and Mac Baren's Bold Kentucky. I've never had Bold Kentucky but it sounds pretty darn similar.
walk6602 - yeah, he was one of my favorite RU-vid tobacco reviewers, short and to the point, He was just starting a new job, and he had just had a baby, I think he just couldn't maintain all the demands on his time and something had to give. 😒😒😒
I try the aromatics and just dont like them. They always make me cough . I like a good stout English and good Virginia blend . Aromatics may smell good for the women but I just cant do em . My favorites are my mixture 965 , escudo navy rolls, old dark fried and balkan supreme. Good and stout . Doesnt smell or taste like candy .. tastes like a nice pipe should. Mellow and like a man . Just like it should.
Half o' the wind and old gowrie also have to be added to my list as well . They can be a little bitty but if I slow down and sip em slowly oh man . They r excellent Virginia's.
All these tree suggested blend are great,and most of all Orlik Dark Kentuck. which I do prefer over th HH Mc Barens Old Dark kentucky which is high quality baccy as well though it is somewhat way over in nicotine- at least I got my head spinning after an hour of smoking it,and this was not only once but multiple times,Lol, and now Y'all have them Sweet puffs, Paul
Talking to a friend regarding what exactly is an aromatic tobacco blend. If there is casing/flavor added to the tobacco then it is an aromatic? Not so, my friend said. He said 'all' pipe tobaccos have some sort of flavoring added. Tobacco would taste terrible if you just got a dry tobacco leaf, cut and rubbed it, put it directly into the pipe and then smoked it. If so, then is there a certain percentage of casing/flavor applied to a tobacco that makes it an 'aromatic'?
Stan Kays - Your friend is right, and wrong, all tobacco Aromatic, and Non Aromatic have a casing, if that’s what you want to call it of sugar water to help preserve the tobacco, and give it a little bit longer life, but Non Aromatics have no other casing other then that, Non Aromatics have no flavoring other then sugar water, the taste comes from the combination of blend components that taste different, Virginia a sweet hay note, Latakia has a woodsy note, perique has a spicy note, Orientals, a sour note. Burley a pure tobacco taste, then if you prepare these different components in other ways like if you heat and put Virginia under tremendous pressure, it changes the taste again. When you combine these components in certain increments you create a blend with incredible taste and no flavoring added. Next time you talk to your friend ask him what kind of flavoring they put on Latakia. There is no flavoring added, the taste comes from the tobacco being hung on the ceiling of a room, and the smoke from wood burned underneath is aloud to contact the tobacco causing the tobacco to absorb the smoke changing the flavor. If he gives you any other answer then this, I would take what he says about tobacco with a grain of salt. 👍👍👍
Logan Harms - frog Morton on the town is definitely a non aromatic, but it is a oriental forward blend with some Virginia added for sweetness, it truly is a superb blend. 👍👍👍
Logan Harms - good idea, some advice, give it some time, follow my earlier video series " The Art Of Pipe Smoking" to get the basics down, then watch my videos on "The Breathe Method" and that should set you on the right path, but expect some bumps in the road on the way, it's rare that people just starting out don't have difficulty of some sort. 👍👍👍
I bought my first non aromatic blend. Should I have an exclusive pipe for smoking non aromatic tobacco that is different from my normal pipe that I am smoking aromatics in?
Yes, there is a phenomenon called ghosting. Ghosting is were if you have s pipe dedicated to only Aromatics. Then you smoke an English, when you go back to smoking the Aromatic it will throw the taste off of the Aromatic. Most people who don't know think the tobacco has gone bad and throw it away, so it's important to have 1 pipe for Aromatic's and one dedicated to English blends
@@MuttnchopPiper Thanks for the quick reply. I picked up some plum pudding on your recommendation and didn't realize that it was a non aromatic. I mostly smoke aromatics, my current favorite being Old Toby from The Country Squire. I do have a pipe or two that I don't really use much so I may be able to come up with a pipe dedicated for the plum pudding.
In looking at these tobaccos on Tobacco Reviews I find that only Orlik Dark Strong Kentucky mentions a flavoring. The other say NO flavoring. Am I missing something here? I hesitate purchasing another Virginia or Burley mix as I struggle with how strong they are. Any thoughts?
Bible made simple, I think it's a policy for tobacco reviews to say no flavoring if the manufacturer does not mention one. Peter heinricks dark strong is practically the same tobacco as orliks dark strong Kentucky, as a mater of fact I heard they are made in the same plant, so yes Peter heinricks does have a topping on their tobacco, what kind of taste are you looking for in a tobacco?
I've been trying the different tobaccos, straight virginia, straight burly, straight oriental etc. to see if I liked one variety over another. But I always come back to the aromatics because the others seem so strong. That's why I was interested in your video because it seemed to offer a tobacco with a topping without going all the way back to a cavendish aromatic. Thanks for your comment. Perhaps I'll give one of these a try.
At the time I made this video. He was making videos. But about a month after, he shut down his channel. He had just had a baby, and I think his wife told him to shut it down
Jody Wooten - Doing ok, I have been given a bigger role at work which has gobbled up a lot of my free time, plus my 88 year old mother is requiring more of my time on the weekends, so much so that I don’t have time for much else, my sister has no car and lives about 45 minuets away, my brother lives in another state, so she only has me to depend on. I’ll try and get a video out as soon as I can....Sorry
It's funny, I wouldn't smoke those for the same reason I avoid aromatics, my scare words are "casing", "topping ", "aromatic " lolol.. pure English man here, note anyone crossing over from premium cigars, that loved the nuances of real tobacco, with no additives... the thought of any applied flavor, topping, casing makes me nauseous! In fact the pipe tobacco I've loved the most, that I can't help smoking 2-3 bowls of since starting is navy escudo, spc potlatch (this is so amazing! ) as soon as I put my nose in the can I was transported to heaven and the smoking was equally heaven, 6 natural tobacco types so much nuance in every pipe full... every aromatic I've tried taste like chemical crap, just like flavoring a premium cigar lol blasphemy hehe
Donn Testa - I have transitioned into smoking all types, English, Virginia, Va/Per’s, and Aromatics. I primarily smoke Non Aromatics, but every once in a while I get a hankering for a good aromatic. 👍👍👍
@@MuttnchopPiper, I meant no condescension, all pipe smokers are brothers of the leaf. Plus you've years of vast experience! Mainly my concern is veteran pipe smokers recommending starters go to aromatics, I think that's a travesty as some like myself would hate that and if I didn't already know about complex natural tobaccos I woulda quit trying the pipe altogether. Even knowing what I wanted and waiting for my tobacco order to arrive, I went to the local pipe shop, and the guy tried pushing aromatics up and down, showing me himself smelling them deep and oohing and ahhing, and when I'm like no, I want English only, I got the line yick ok if that's what you want. Anyway I think this is a mistake of the community. If I didn't know tobacco before coming to pipes, and someone convinced me to start with aromatics, I woulda tried them and stopped right there. Anyway I'm a veteran of the leaf, but new to the pipe :-)
Donn Testa - I’m sorry if my response seemed crass, that was not my intent. I think the primary reason Aromatics are suggested is that for a new pipe smoker who doesn’t even understand how to pack, or light a pipe, it’s felt a sweet blend may convince them to stick with it longer. What should really happen is the tobacconist that is selling you that pipe and tobacco, should also teach you how to do the fundamentals like packing the pipe, lighting the pipe, and smoking the pipe correctly instead of selling them tobacco and sending them on their way, it’s like selling someone a car who has no concept of driving, and saying ok, here are the keys, thanks for coming in. 👍👍👍
I'm the complete opposite. I like cigars, and I feel like these aromatic blends are the same as flavored cigars which to me are for people who want to get into the hobby to look cool vs liking the flavor of tobacco. I'm hesitant to get into the hobby because it seems like the market for pipes is flooded with low quality tobacco that's covered with sugar and called "aromatic blends". Someone please explain where I'm off base here.
I can never decide whether I am a pipe smoker who likes cigars or a cigar smoker who likes to smoke a pipe. Right now, to ensure that I am not smoking anything but tobacco, I sometimes fill my pipe with cigar tobacco. If you have not tried that I think you ought to. I live in Alberta, Canada where a Cohiba Behike, if you can get them, will cost over 100 dollars each. I have never smoked a cigar that cost over 50 dollars, but it is really hard to throw away a cigar butt that represents as much as 20 dollars worth of cigar.
Juan Ramos - An Aromatic tobacco is blended with a casing or topping, usually sweet like Vanilla, or caramel, or chocolate flavor. A non Aromatic is a combination of tobacco’s that are not cased, and rely on the natural flavor of the type of tobacco, or the way the natural tobacco is prepared for its taste. 👍👍👍
Hey Muttnchop when I'm smoking a blend. I smoke aromatics. They all taste the same to me. When I smell the smoke as its floating through the air, I cam smell the different flavor notes amd profiles. is that something that will change over time, as my palette develops? Kinda like cooking and food tasting.
Muttnchop Piper they are bulk house blends one is Irish Cream another is called Embassy then there's JR Vanilla. they seem to be very moist they clump together when pinched. so I pack the bowl then I empty the bowl and let the tobacco dry for 30 or so. then I repack the bowl. then I do a char light then the true light. and I slowly draw the smoke in taking a few small puffs then I swirl the smoke around my mouth and let it float around for a few seconds before exhaling.
Kris Syxx - The moisture could be the problem, I have a video on drying tobacco, but the short version is find a flat pan, like a pizza pan, spread out the tobacco, and let it sit out in the open for 12 hours, then check it, it should feel dry to the touch, then ball some up in your hand, if it sticks together then let it dry for another 6 hours. Wet tobacco produces steam which when condenses soaks the tobacco throwing off the taste of the tobacco, so give the tobacco a good dry, before packing it. 👍👍👍
Muttnchop Piper The moisture seems to be part of the problem. I dried the Embassy blend out all day like you suggested. And the flavor on the palate is a little more pronounced than before. But I still can't really notice the flavor until I smell the smoke.
Ok, a long time ago in England a law was passed that restricted tobacco blenders to only bending tobacco in it’s natural state, no additives permitted unless it was for the use as a preservative basically sugar water. So a true English has only pure tobacco in its natural form, Latakia, Perique, Virginia, Etc. Now there is also another kind of English called American English where the restrictions of true English are not followed, so in an American English you can add cherry additives, or vanilla, caramel, and so on.
vaping Gardner - some do, but as a rule no, you don’t have to do anything different when you smoke an Aromatic or an English blend. There is one Aromatic that pops like pop rocks when you smoke it, startled me at first but I was warned it would happen, it’s called Molte Dolce. 👍👍👍
I do not sub to this channel but I visit it from time to time. Can anyone tell me why an English is called an English just because it has latakia and black cavendish in it? English pipe tobaccos are suppose to have no flavorings added what so ever. Latakia is an aromatic due to the process that makes it what it is. Black cavendish is also a sugary-vanilla aromatic. Neither of these tobaccos sprout out of the ground to be what they are.
Muttnchop Piper you are correct, two out of the three blends I could not find on pipesandcigars.com, were indeed available on smokingpipes.com. Thanks for the heads up!
