Chat tries to make a Good Map for 100 player tf2. it's actually ok? 

thanks shounic

Thank you, and I wish you a happy new year as well. This map was a struggle, but we made many friends along the way such as Ponds34.

I hope you do a video of all the art passed versions.

@@green929392 same i think shounic fans will take it really far with how unique their maps will get

I love how there's more democracy in this tf2 map than the U.S. government system

DBZ spiral solos Goku no diff

* freeza enters red * *NO WAY I'M LETTING YOU WIN, MONKEY!*

I mean, saxton is pretty much in universe goku

The big spiral section is just asking to be themed into a platform for a massive drill.

be cool if someone actually went ahead and art passed it.

No crystal cave pls. Too cliche. Also, they should rename the map. DBZ will be memed to death because of Dragon Ball Z.

dragon ball z

Is like they're trying to resurrect the moon map from premeatyourmatch.

A drill with random fences and a glass on it... sounds real

​@fantastikboom1094 be creative, change the glass into crystal chunks, make the base of the drill a big, fractured crystal.

@@mikesinibaldi5918 That's not creative, that's nonsensical bs bro

@fantastikboom1094 The map seems to be leaning into a cave theme. Why not have giant crystals be part of the set dressing. If you think that would be hard to model, I actually agree with you, but nonsensical? Nah, this game has giant bread monsters and spytech stuff. A secret crystal mining facility isn't that far-fetched. They could even make the final objective something like a big lazer weapon they're building with the crystals!

@@mikesinibaldi5918 You know, actually I agree with you. TF2 isn't realistic at all and not all of its maps are close to somewhat realistic, so yeah.

How could he have forgotten our pets?

Don't forget the COW!

That gives the map its distinct character.

Hey I mean it's a cool landmark of interest, that always makes a map stand out

I don't even play TF2 (how did I end up here?) and I can just imagine absolutely nobody in chat arguing its removal more than once where they were vehemently shut down. You'd have to be crazy to remove a central fixture like that, at least without trying desperately to make it work first.

The FUCKED UP AND AWFUL SPIRAL is what makes this map really interesting to me, honestly. It shouldn't have been considered for removal.

It caused the resonance cascade.

Shounic doesn't need to hear all that! He is a highly trained professional

Resonance cascade device The alien invasion machine

Spinny machine :D

NO GORDON, DONT PUT THAT CHICKEN NUGGET IN THERE!

He breaks the gameplay, this is the same server that tested what would happen if you removed sniper, and the only thing that changed was people had more fun.

@@Jpmrocks7 He doesn't though. As you say literally nothing changed. So why ruining a class that exists and some people enjoy playing it? Bad decisions.

@@fantastikboom1094 He doesn't break the gameplay, but he breaks fun. I'd rather 8/9ths of the players have more fun at the expense of 1/9th than the other way around.

​@@fantastikboom1094 Sniper doesn't need removing, but his gameplay definitely needs to be reworked. The fact that he can get 3x damage by holding right click seems... like seriously, what is the purpose of the charge? Scoping in doesn't really cost anything. Also vapor trails on all weapons for fairness, the dot just doesn't work with the open air map design.

@@PlatinumAltaria ive had this idea for years about sniper having terrible vision (he does wear glasses) and when he scopes in he cant see clearly above or under a certain distance, which would also functionally gimp his damage and remove his ability to quickscope. hell, id even be for lowering the max charge headshot dmg to 300 and max quickscope headshot dmg to 100, just to give people a chance to actually fight back or flee.

I haven't played tf2 in years, i just wanted to acknowledge "Strategic alligator pit" as a new phrase xD

Yes, this! Humans will always be unbiased, but this would make it just a bit more fair.

@@IceFlower22 Humans will always be [biased]*

@@ponponpatapon9670 oh, oops. Thank you for correcting me! I hadn't noticed that

No. They should make the art collaborative. Many artists working on the map. This is a community project after all.

Starts out as some kinda town, turns into a mining operation, then a facility-

@@stupidratt >Dusk

eat rocks @@-AAA-147

@@stupidratt "jokes on you im into that sh*t!"

honestly, i hope it stays that way. the funny anticlimax just adds to the whole "so bad its good" charm

@@Underworlder5 frfr i love it so much lmao

​​@@Underworlder5but make the resonance cascade device itself explode turning everything into wreckage, but with the cart staying still there.

nah we need buff engineer pic somewhere in there

​@@_l0unce_they act like 2 legends cannot coexist

okay but who'd fucking win? Goku or buff engie?

​@@_l0unce_ goku in a buff engi cosplay

to be fair the most iconic part of this map, the spiral, is a borderline impossible idea to balance

@@fortnitesexman I don't think that's true. It is possible to balance the spiral if instead of balancing the spiral, you balance everything around it. The spiral is a point of difficulty for blue, however, if you design that part of the map to give every other advantage to blue, it will be balanced.

@@En.GergerRacc "borderline"

Cool pfp

@@HaxxorElite thanks bro

Truly 😂

I saw the reference that y'all put there... Very clever, may i add.

Yeah, I'm in favour of having a single standout element of a design, and working around that element, rather than changing it to such an extent that you undermine its distinctiveness.

@@tbotalpha8133 l'm personally of the mindset that an endearing map starts off by having gameplay-unique/wacky setpieces on *_every single point,_* after which all of these setpieces are then carefully and meticuously *_balanced around_* the uniqueness/wackiness of them; Gravel Pit, Mountain Lab, Egypt, Doublecross, Pelican Peak, Sawmill, Nucleus, Kong King, Badlands, Yukon, Freight, Powerhouse, Badwater, Cashworks, Phoenix, Pipeline, Banana Bay, even wackier stuff like Pass Time's District and Balloon Race, they're all maps l fondly remember for all the distinct gameplay setpieces they have. You'll notice the similarly distinct lack of halloween maps in that list btw; that's because, on top of being seasonal-only, they mostly rely on chaotic gimmicks for their gameplay feel, so whatever unique setpieces the maps themselves might have are always left to the wayside (if they even have unique setpieces at all).

map design is perhaps the one thing id like to see get more experiemental in tf2 just to see how it feels

Map design is hard like this, having to strike a balance between unique setpieces and balancing them definitely seems extremely difficult

lore could be that RED and BLU are both opposing organizations of time travelers, with RED trying to prevent the Black Mesa Incident from occurring, and BLU being from the subsequent reality where RED succeeded but now they have to ensure the invasion of Earth occurs.

pl_anomalousmaterials

@@SaintRedFox We can go deeper. We could give the map purpose and a proper name by having it be where they got the crystal. Blast-mining in the mining cave. Boom, pl_deepblastzone

@@SaintRedFox pl_anomat

I always headcanoned it in TF Classic (due to it sharing art assets) that the Blue Team mercs were actually mercs hired by Black Mesa as a security force to protect the facility from outside threats or saboteurs and the Red Team mercs were hired by the government to augment the HECU force. But they both ended up tying each other down on the surface. I dunno it just made the matches feel like they had more meaning to it Since Blu Team here is escorting the payload (which could be the Xen Crystal cart from HL1) to the Anti-Mass Spectrometer (maybe it reverses the resonance cascade somehow? Like turning something on and off again??) they can play the role of Black Mesa affiliated mercs again while Red Team are like I dunno hired to stop them because they don't want a Double Resonance Cascade alternate answer better fitting the TF2 universe, would be both teams were brought forwards in time. Red Team was hired by members of the Resistance in HL2 to avert the Resonance Cascade which brought the Combine and Blu team was hired by Black Mesa to continue the experiment by force if necessary, believing Red Team to have been hired by Aperture as saboteurs. if the person remastering the map to give it a proper art pass goes the extra mile make the Red Team announcer Eli Vance from HL2 and make the Blu Team announcer young Eli Vance from HL1

Remember they added wutville

@@funkey6737 from what i remember, even the creator of that map was surprised it got added to official servers

The thing is, 100 players requires some major changes and plugins to work properly, turning off cosmetics just being the beginning. That is to say, it's sadly very unlikely any 100-player maps will be made official.

Yooooo that game utterly consumed my teen years. Still holds a spot in my heart. Got any stories to share?

@@springbubble4931 Honestly, quite a shitshow when I left. TL;DR a dev member managed to get the game's source code and holds it hostage, making him the de facto lead dev. If anyone opposed this ideas for the game, either you'd leave the team or he'd fork the source code. This resulted in a lot of dev members leaving, both old and new, lots of feature creep and a ton of toxic drama behind the scenes. Not only that, but we delt with a server owner that would often leak players IPs. In short, PVKII's twilight years are sadly quite bleak, but at least I made friends along the way, some of which are making big strides in the gaming industry. As for favorite episode with the team? Definitely the Antichrist Beserker. In short, a glitch in the map Arena made a player's corpse spawns T-posing in the air, right in the middle of the map. The first time we noticed the glitch it was with a headless model of the Berserker while I was on Spectator Mode, and with the volcano erupting on Sudden Death, it made for an ominous image. I took a screenshot and share it to the (now defunct) forum with the label "The Antichrist has Resurrected". By sheer coincidence, it was my 666th post in the forums.

the jump pad in the middle is actually like a suction to suck up any ore

@@Xenomorthian Oh, could also have one of those giant earth movers in the background or even on the map too. Those things are insane Feats of engineering seeing as how they're the biggest man-operated vehicle in the world.

"My Hermès got that hell hole running so efficiently that all physical labor is now done by one Australian man.” "That's a real piece of piss ya mongrels"

Other way round, RED's experiments are going to cause the invasion - the crystal cave being where they get the research samples - and BLU's trying to sabotage the operation to prevent that.

"Let's see dem aliens. They can't stop us all!"

area 51 raid in a nutshell

Random fences make map look prettier?

niko

Is the back ground and your brain replacing the no texture ground into rock to some what dirt roads (red)/tracks(blu)

Go to any country outside america

democracy only functions when everyone is working together for a common interest and group i.e it functions here but not in most modern nations

@@segadoeswhatnintendont I'm from the UK we have the exact same problem ATM

@@segadoeswhatnintendont LMAO he thinks his country is special when it comes to political corruption.

@@segadoeswhatnintendont It ends up the same way organically.

Except the experiment we did showed that removing sniper from the game doesn't affect anything and therefore anything you have against sniper is all in your head.

@@shinobuoshino5066 "respect the sightline" mfs when the sight "line" is 300 acres of land:

@@2fifty533 you must be incredibly good at the game

And yet chat throughout this whole map design still agreed to put as many sightlines up as possible, so your point doesn't really mean anything at all even if it's true. @@shinobuoshino5066

@@shinobuoshino5066 You must have seen a different experiment to us, because I distinctly remember the takeaway from that being that the removal of Sniper has no *negative* effect.

I dunno, with the half life rocket and AMS it lends itself pretty good two a black Mesa facility

i think people have now learned that after wutville

​@@taureon_ dont bring back the wutville ptsd please

All I ask is that you name it pl_dbz_super

@@mechtroidProductions why tho

​@@hughjanes4883dragon ball Z

Yeah...it probably was.

Well it sounds like they playtested it exclusively with the 100 player server, so I would say: yes! And the ground geometery *definitely* looks wider than on most TF2 maps...

@@GGreenHeart i downloaded the map and there are narrow hallways all over it.

It has to fit 100 players though. That's probably why its very open.

This map isn’t necessarily balanced around 100 players, and neither is any existing tf2 map.

@@curlybrace4984 This map was built around the assumption that it was going to be 100 players.

Democratic Bandaid Zone

man detected the word "community" from 500 miles away