Cheap AMD Radeon Low Profile Graphics Cards - Are they worth it?

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In this video we are testing the AMD Radeon HD 7470, HD 7570, HD 8490 and HD 8570. Test PC is a HP Small Form Factor PC with an Intel Core i7-4770, 16GB RAM, SSD and Windows 10 64-Bit as well as Windows XP 32-Bit.
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@mattpierce5009 2 года назад

You just made the 8570 a lot more interesting to me - I've seen it a billion times but always assumed the slower memory would hold it back vs the 7570. Wow was I wrong, especially after overclocking I think an 8570 will be perfect for my Phenom X3 SFF. Thanks for yet another useful video Phil

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Yup I also was sceptical because of GDDR3, but turns out it's a winner. Better drivers, 4K60, decent OC and still XP compatible :)

@kyles8524 2 года назад

I thought the same thing. I thought maybe he had the graph names wrong at first

@virtualtools_3021 2 года назад

i can overclock that 8570 i got by over 50%! it does run much hotter with such an oc, but you can't beat price/perf for low profile single slot cards, have it in my server for better video out and running local MC instance

@Sam-K 2 года назад

I think something like an HD7770 or 7790 would be a far better choice. The HD7790, for example, is over twice the card and I found one for like $25 a few years ago so about the same price as an HD8570 a.k.a R5-240/340/430 etc. Also loves to overclock (1,150MHz core / 1,600MHz memory). So far no regrets.

@kyles8524 2 года назад

@@Sam-K yeah but this video is showcasing low profile cards that dont need extra power

@garchamp9844 2 года назад

I have had a 7570 that I’ve used in various retro projects over the years, and even as a backup in a friends PC when he had to RMA his RX 5700 XT at the peak of the video card crisis. It does everything you would want it to do in Windows XP, and it is cool and quiet as can be. Best 20 dollars I ever spent.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Nice 🙂

@Ethorbit 2 года назад

I picked one of these up 2 weeks ago, because I needed a very low power GPU for non important tasks (mostly just remotely accessed the machine, no APU on hand) They cost almost nothing in the used market, you can get some of them for as cheap as $8 or $9, so I'd say they are definitely worth it in that regard. Interesting to see a recent video cover them.

@stephendetomasi1701 2 года назад

Hey Phil - you should take a good look at modified drivers for the older Terascale 2 cards. It made a pretty substantial improvement to performance for me. Also, DisplayPort 1.2 should be able to do 4K 60hz - but sometimes you need to configure a custom resolution using CRU. Use CVT-RB2 timings and start from 30hz and bump it up from there.

@adriananzano2292 2 года назад

this is interesting, i have an HD 8490 i bought a while back and it would be interesting to try and BIOS mod it

@Lady_Zenith 2 года назад

@@adriananzano2292 He said it wrong. He siad It has DP 1.4. The 8570 has DP 1.2, all 28nm GCN Radeons have that. The older cards don't even have 1.2, that's why they cant do 4K60.

@andrewmcewan9145 2 года назад

What modified drives did you use. I only know of nimez and UnifL(tarascale 1 afaik) I have a few tarascale 2 cards and would love to test more drivers.

@andrewmcewan9145 2 года назад

@@adriananzano2292 if it is gcn1 try using vbe9 as that is what i use for my 7950's

@terrapinflyer273 2 года назад

Thanks for covering benchmarks in older games! Not many reviewers do that. I don't have much interest in playing newer AAA titles (though it would be nice). Debating whether I want to upgrade my 12+ yr old system monthly or invest a bit more into a more decent setup.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

New games would really struggle on these cards and I feel it's better to show what you CAN use them for rather than just show them struggling.

@andrewmcewan9145 2 года назад

On the gcn card at least a bunch of newer games will run fine at quite low settings. Things like gtav, battlefield 3,4,5, fortnight, rocket league It seems to be arround a vega 8 in tearms of performace. As for upgrading your build it really depends on what you have to give advice on what to do. But a second/third gen i5 + a low end gpu. I recommed getting something dx12 complient Some examples are a gt1030 Hd 7790 R5 550 And a cheep ssd would be a real good starting point. The 7790 may be the sweetsopt if wanting to run xp. Core2s and amds II line are quite long in the tooth now. For true modern games 2020+ I consder a gtx 970 tier to be lowend choose between 1080p under 60 or lower res 60+ at settings where the games look current gen. (Cyberpunk, halo infinate etc..) Pre 2020 ish games that drops to a 7850 tier (Borderlands 3, red ded remption 2 etc) As for gpu uarchs Nvidia Fermi - good for dx11 well supported for its time issues with later dx11 era titles Kelper- bad support on modern games (doom, doom eternal notably) usally cheeper than gcn horrible dx12 support dxfl 11. Maxwell-some modern games preform worse than expected no agreious issues yet.(end of xp support) Pascal no real issues. No boost in performance from dx12 but no real loss ither. Turing and newer - still supported bonous fetures like dlss and rt. Gets boost from dx12. No notable issues. Amd Vilw/tarasale - avoid like plague unless specifically needed eirly eol drivers has lots of issues with games past 2015 notably higer cpu load then fermi. Gcn1 - dx11 fl,good dx12/vulken support moderste profrmance boost. Use moded drivers. Gcn2 full dx 12_0 support use moded drivers. Issues in modern games without moded drivers. (End of xp support) Gcn3- same as 2 no xp drivers. Gcn4 still supported no notable issues. Rdna - weird transition uarch no notable issues. Rdna2 - adds raytracing implementation worse than nvidia.

@MarcoGPUtuber 2 года назад

Philday makes my holidays even better!

@saxxonpike 2 года назад

I have installed a number of these in old Optiplex and other machines that take SFF cards for WinXP projects- they're surprisingly good for WinXP gaming, extremely cheap and available.

@klocugh12 2 года назад

I'm actually running HD8570 in my other PC as we speak. Saved me from Intel HD2000 misery. Good to know about OC potential, haven't bothered yet, will give it a shot then. Fan is quite a screamer under load though. As for DDR3 vs GDDR5, it is matter of memory bandwidth. Both memory type and bus width affect it. More or less DDR3 128-bit ~= GDDR5 64-bit.

@Castaa 2 года назад

It's so funny you posted video about these cards today. I spent the last week pricing and comparing AMD low profile cards to upgrade a trash picked mAXT small form factor computer. It currently as a AMD HD 5450 which was low end 10+ years ago. ha I ended up selecting a AMD R7 250 with Samsung GDDR3 memory for $21 on ebay in the US. It still gets updated Windows 10 drivers.

@michaelauld6083 2 года назад

I actually had picked up a HD 7570 and a HP T610 Plus after watching your video on said thin client….the two made a good combo for a retro gaming PC….this card is essentially a OEM rebrand of a HD 6670 since it does have the DDR5 memory though there are some variants out there with DDR3….great video as usual…definitely has me thinking about picking up a 8570 to give it a try

@nunofernandes4501 2 года назад

A fee days ago I bought an R7 240 4gb for €20. It's for an sff media PC an light/vintage gaming it really behaves very well for what I expected.

@JeffWaynee 2 года назад

I bought an HD 6450 for $12 on ebay a few years ago. It actually makes a great 2D card for Linux.

@youzernejm 2 года назад

Wow, this video answered question after question I had about these cards, very impressive! The only one I've got left is how good are they with Batocera, but that 8570 just got so much more interesting.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Choralone422 2 года назад

With Batocera I would imagine you could do PS1, N64 and maybe Dreamcast with the 8570. In my emulation box I recently upgraded from a Nvidia Quadro K620 which has roughly 50% higher pixel fillrate than the 8570. The K620 struggled with emulating many PS2 games and some GameCube games. Swapped in a GTX 1060 3GB and now both are buttery smooth. The CPU in my emulation box is a i7 3770 (non K) and I do have the proper Nvidia driver support enabled.

@youzernejm 2 года назад

@@Choralone422 I got plenty of Gsmecube, some PS2 (easier ones like ffx or kh), Xenoblade chronicles for the wii, heck, even some native-res 3DS on my Batocera machine with an i3 4130 with igpu, I'm really curious what it could do with a low profile, super cheap dgpu. My 3770k machine (4.2GHz oc) started suffering from the lack of avx2 in some cases though, plus Batocera optimizations sometimes are surprising - Mario Kart for the 3ds runs better on that 4130 than on Windows based 3770k with R9 380

@sebastianebert4295 2 года назад

PS2 can be problematic. While f.e. Red Ninja runs fine (even with 4x resolution) on a slower C2D E8400 with Nvidia GT 1030 GDDR5, other games like RTCW or SOTC run super slow. SOTC didn't even ran well on a friend's workstation with 2x Xeon quad core CPUs on one Intel board, while ARMA III ran at max. 30 % CPU on FullHD ultra settings with a GTX 960 card. PS2 emu has to calculate 3 different chips in realtime. But I dunno why Red Ninja runs so super smooth on a slow C2D E8400. That game you should try, should run on even slower CPU and GPU w/o any issues. Most PS1 games with 1x res only and some N64 games like Mario 64 or Mario Kart 64 even run on a slow Raspberry Pi 2 v1.1 ARMv7 and old Recalbox or Batocera. While PSP runs okay-ish on some, but GC, DC, NAOMI, Atomiswave, NDS, 3DS, Wii, Wii-U, most PS2 games, PS3 struggle on most setups.

@SYIBOI 2 года назад

Those 7570s are standard at my workplace and I can tell you they really do hold up pretty well, but make sure you dust them regularly. When the fans fail they're so loud

@ngybrid 2 года назад

I used the Dell GPU like this in 2019 -- the R5 240. It's got driver support up to 2021 if I'm not mistaken as it's in the first GCN architecture. Bought it for less than 30 USD back then. It even handled Battlefield 1 720p all set to low settings pretty convincingly (though it's around 30FPS and not much more than that). TechPowerUp says it's direct rebrand of the 8570. But the 8570 had 128-bit memory right? Mine's only 64-bit tho.

@madmatt2024 2 года назад

I think both of them normally have a 64-bit memory bus. There is a somewhat rare GDDR5 version of the 8570 but every time I've found one the cost was ridiculous.

@razorsz195 2 года назад

I have found a suitable replacement for the GT210/610 Dell optiplex 360s to make XP gaming rigs with! A punchy core2duo and ssd will make these things wonderful to sell on to someone who wants a compact rig! Will always love your unique videos! Thanks Phil

@nicacioedu 2 года назад

Really interesting! A couple of weeks ago I put together a Windows Vista Home Premium SFF rig. It's based on a Dell Dimension C521 with an Athlon 64 x2 3800+, 2x2GB DDR2-800, an OEM Dell Radeon R5 240 1GB, and a 250GB Seagate Barracuda HDD. The trick to have this video card properly installed on Vista was by installing the Vista drivers for the Radeon R7 260X. The performance is incredible for the price (I've paid $5.00 on this video card), and the system is able to run every old game I throw at it over 60fps. By far these were the best $17.00 I've ever spent. :-) Thanks for another great video, Phil.

@AaronHendu 2 года назад

I got an OEM R7 250 around December of last year for a computer I built for a my nieces and nephews, and it seems to do the job and suited the budget. I am looking to upgrade it though for them sometime soon. I have a 290X sitting around that just needs the fans replaced. But for now, it does fine for them!

@thajazzzprovidaaa26 2 года назад

@@AaronHendu the r9 290 and 290x are still very good cards for them being almost 10 years old. Still run modern games at 1080p, I have one myself!

@harleyn3089 2 года назад

@@thajazzzprovidaaa26 One of my favorite retro cards is the R7-260x. It's a tweaked version of the 7790. It's roughly as fast as a 750TI, and it only consumes about 65 watts of power. The R9 290 is fast, but it consumes a lot of power and many of the cards have very loud fans. For retro projects I lean towards cards that are more efficient.

@josecespedes4551 2 года назад

Great video. I bought a couple of 7570s planning to put them on old motherboards socket 1150 and 1155, 16ram ddr3 and Xeons E3 1240 v3/v2. Lets see what happens. Best wishes from Panama 🇵🇦

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Greetings from Australia 🙂

@karolwojtyla3047 2 года назад

Hello Phil, nice to hear you again ;)

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Hey, thanks!

@kimutone2970 2 года назад

What about comparing the 8570 to the intel integrated graphics you'd find on these cheap prebuilt PCs? Would make an interesting video to see if it's worth upgrading or if the IGP suffices, great vid as awlways, Phil!

@mesterak 2 года назад

Thank you Phil for another Happy Friday!

@Soldoles 2 года назад

There is another use for this old amd radeon cards, you can use crt emudriver to enable 15hz though the dvi output and mount an arcade with the original resolution and refresh rate, you can use it with a crt tv just need an adapter from vga to component in the western countrires otherwise use a vga to scart. If your tv dont have it you cant take some vga to svideo or rca adapter and use it insteed.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Aha so that's what emudriver is, thanks for explaining.

@Soldoles 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab yeah it's a modifiied amd driver, you can use with mame or retroarch since now has runahead and 15khz support. I used an old dell optiplex with a radeon hd 4500 if you wanna i can up a video of what i done. the setup is quite finicky but it wothed the hassle since it was quite unexpensive also if you have a board with integrated amd graphics form the phenon x2, x4 etc era it will be even cheaper.

@sebastianebert4295 2 года назад

Not only that, but also crisp clear low res on PCs (like with Matrox G400 cards), while Nvidia cards looks blurry on low res.

@Synthematix 2 года назад

I use one of these cards in my Athlon X4 Socket AM1 PC, (Athlon 5350) on an ASRock AM1H- ITX motherboard its plugged into my Optoma 141x 3D projector as a home entertainment pc, its been in this pc for 7 years without a single problem, although the Athlon 5350 onboard Igpu graphics is about the same in performance

@Super123456789Kuba 2 года назад

Interesting Video. I kinda was struggling too find a Good replacement for my Radeon HD5870, which sadly died on my older machine, So these cards are those which I definitely wanna check out.

@forgottencameras 2 года назад

I did a similar comparison a few months back; I found a PC at a thrift store for $10 and wanted to see what I could squeeze out of it. Oland is a trooper; found myself sitting there playing tons of cool stuff on that thing.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Nice! What games did you play that ran well?

@forgottencameras 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab The latest was Fallout New Vegas, generally ran well on high at 900p. Riptide GP ran perfectly, and I think was a great demonstration of how good a game could look on an old system like that. Anything HL2 and earlier was as expected. One big note is games ported from the PS Vita ran well enough--there are a lot of niche import titles from Japan that make up a whole market, and lots of people just play this kind of stuff, so it would be a good cost-effective poor otaku option. Processor was an AMD FX-4100, so that didn't help anything. 8GB of whatever RAM and a power supply shaped like a hotdog in an SFF case, Win10 Home.

@BenState 2 года назад

I have the OEM HD8490 low profile. Really good spare card for troubleshooting. Has worked in everything.

@hardcore8uk 2 года назад

Phil another great GPU comparison video once again, hat's off, Now do you still have your LP (low profile/ half height) HD 7750 1GB ?, if so could you compare that to some modern APU's and or recently made LP cards say that have a 64bit bus but with high clock speeds, how would a high core clock compare to said LP HD 7750, was the HD 8570 a "Cape Verde" chip like the 512core HD 7750 ?, I used to run 2x LP HD 7750 CrossFire inside HP SFF I5 2600, was an powerful small system running BF3 at ultra 1080p and many other AAA games of the time, i wish game devs would take some extra time and implement xFire / SLI back into games, even better AMD & nVidia that they once used to day, who doesn't love running super crazy amounts of power maxing out games lol. OK thanks buddy !!!!

@Hugocraft 2 года назад

I picked up the amd 7570 back in March 2022 off ebay for $16 USD shipped to put in an old dell optiplex with intel i5 third gen just to try out Linux Manjaro since that is what Valve recommended to devs who want to test their games on linux if they didn't have a steamdeck on hand. It works well for streaming videos and older games did similar to your results on windows from what I remember.

@launchpending 2 года назад

Sadly had to replace one of these during the GPU crunch a few months back, ended up paying far too much for a new nvidia card in similar spec. I remember seeing a bin of used cards like these sitting at the local PC shop, good to see prices are coming back to normal.

@erikmerchant567 2 года назад

I think one of the benefits of these generation cards is their XP driver support. Once you get to the R5/7-300 series, that compatibility goes away. After that, you might just as well step up to a much more modern SFF card. The new 6400 low profiles look interesting, albeit at a lousy 64bit interface.

@matthewplehn4271 2 года назад

very nice...i have noticed these in bundles on ebay...now that i know i can do retro on them im in!.....would you know if they would make a good card streaming Steam from another system?...right now i use the Ryzen 5 2400g for that purpose.

@ironthrone9455 2 года назад

nice video, i want to see more videos about radeon(ati) gpus in the future! Keep it up

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Thanks, will do!

@mrp6k490 2 года назад

Maybe you could check out the r5 240,340,430 next? I've encountered a lot of these while looking around for cheap cards

@AJ-po6up 2 года назад

I've seen these a lot in my country and always assumed they were crap but 8570, 7570 are actually not bad at all for a 2000s retro PC.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Yes and when paired with a cheap HP or Dell Small Form Factor machine, it's great value and heaps of fun!

@SUCRA 2 года назад

Great video. I had a similar situation with performance while testing the AGP versions of the hd 3850 vs the hd 4650. On old games the 3850 was faster, newer games the 4650 was faster. 👍

@somotrouglino 4 месяца назад

Thanks for making these great videos. I need a low profile card for my Windows XP PC, and after watching this, I'm considering the Radeon 8570. Would my old Pentium D 945 bottleneck this GPU? Should I go with something older for XP gaming?(I don't plan on running anything more demanding than Half Life 2 and other Source engine games)

@SHGames97 2 года назад

I bought a GDDR5 r5 430 with 2 GB of ram. $12 free shipping, after a full overclock it's freaking amazing & more than fits my young daughter's gaming habits. I'd call it like the GT 710 killer or something

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing, I haven't come accross a 430 series card yet, could also have to do with different markets...

@SHGames97 2 года назад

Definitely could be, they were OEM specific to Dell desktops for a few years but never heard of one myself until maybe 2 weeks ago. Keep your eyes peeled as they are plentiful it seems & very cheap. I'd love to see you cover it one day. In North America at least, if your regions pricing differs I'd consider loaning you mine for a review if that's something interesting. Thank!

@FlyingDutchman19801 10 месяцев назад

I hope you do another low-profile graphics card comparison soon!

@dormcat 2 года назад

HD 8570 (28nm version) is really nice for a low-profile card. TechPowerUp lists its performance between my standard-profile HD 5670 and GTS 450 -- picked up in an e-waste recycling center for NT$150 (A$7.5) each. The "fastest" low-profile card I've got is an HD 6450 (NT$100 / A$5), which is only 1/3 the speed of HD 8570.

@neongenesis2979 2 года назад

The R5 340X is by far the best bang for your buck cheap AMD card out there. I've used it in a few older systems and it blows these guys away.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Hmm I looked up the specifications and it's basically the 8570 but with half the memory bus width...

@MotownBatman 2 года назад

I just recently got 4 of the HD-8570's for $19 each on eBay. They look completely unused, New-Stock. Work really well in my Retro Emulator & Pinball Systems

@xBruceLee88x 2 года назад

Hi Phil, keep up the work! Also, do you have a plan to do another "affordable retro build" video? Or maybe you did and I missed the notice Oh and also, if you want to overclock these, don't mess with the memory. They'll fail pretty quickly. Though it can be tricky getting msi afterburner to let you anyway in these. At least that was my experience with the 7570

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Hmm I haven't looked at recent prices for retro parts, but I can only guess that for Windows 98 a Pentium 4 or Athlon 64 would be best value. Thin Clients also cheap and haven't done a video on those for a while. What do you think?

@xBruceLee88x 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab I'd really like to find a modern version of the transmeta cpu, there's a later version with sse support that's make a nice retro rig with xp or even 7 on it. Apparently that chip is fairly rare though. Been searching for something retro compatable that at least has some expansion slots. My wife is starting to complain about all the "computer junk" laying around. Honestly, I think one day I'll build a bunch of 2u rack systems. One for dos/ 9x an xp system and a final Vista/7 system. Might be a project I do later where they're all in a tidy rack setup with a decent single set of keyboard, mouse, speakers and monitor. They'd need a good kvm for it all. Anything retro though seems to have a premium now. I suppose various thin clients lined up on a desk would work too lol. Would be funny to Vesa mount them all together and hide them behind a screen. Think about 3 thin clients stacked and mounted on the back of a 4:3/4:5 dell lcd.

@squeeeb 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab Would love more thin client videos!

@farben_ 2 года назад

I have a Dell HD 7570, had to mess around the drivers and modify some .inf files to be able to install on Vista64 and XP, on Win7 the Dell Win8 drivers work but it's a pain to find the right version. Also bought a full size bracket. Wouldn't recommend them specially for the price they're listed on eBay in Europe as the drivers are a nightmare to install if you're able to even find a version that works. The setup is a GA-P35C-DS3R rev2, 8GB AMD DDR3 RAM, Q9950 stock.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

The XP installer fails, but that's an issue with pretty much most Radeon card. Run the installer, then point device manager manually to c:\AMD and you're good to go 🙂

@farben_ 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab That method usually works, it's how I installed my R7 250x aka HD 7770 2GB on XP but was more complicated for the HD 7570. On Vista64, the drivers are even more complicated, had to boot in safe-mode and disable driver signature, then "have disk" on the device manager. Some AMD/ATI cards I wasn't able to get 2D acceleration on Vista, AMD/ATI drivers are really terrible from this period, it's so much simpler with Nvidia.

@solarstrike33 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab Glad I wasn't alone when I tried installing 5870 drivers on XP. I seriously thought I was doing something wrong...

@kiaas 2 года назад

Oh, the 8570 is actually a GCN1 7000 series card instead of the 7570 that's a 6000 series TeraScale card, I didn't actually know that since the 8000 series cards were never available to anything but OEMs,

@HZL_AD 2 года назад

( still keep my old P4 pc for 17 years ) i hava radeon hd6450 to replaced my old gforce 7600Ggt .. its a big jump good enough to play Doom3 ,Halflife 2 , FEAR ,Quake4 and COD4 mw, nfs carbon , Tes Oblivion..

@dylan-xq1qh 2 года назад

Been using the Radeon W6400 for a SFF PC, and its great to power 2x 3440x1440 displays for work, got it used for about $150 so wasnt all too expensive but wayyy more than these

@jbol2454 2 года назад

Can that work in Windows XP? Does it have the drivers?

@supadwarfa 2 года назад

@@jbol2454 No way, the W6400 is brand new. If you want an XP card you should look for something in the Radeon HD series from 6000-8000. I believe AMD Catalyst 14.4 was the last driver version to support XP but only half the GPUs did. The R7 and R5 variants did not get XP support even if they were just rebadges of older cards.

@jbol2454 2 года назад

@@supadwarfa Just checking thanks

@blueeyesbogdanel1 6 дней назад

@philscomputerlab what software do you use to overclock and speed up the fans?

@tobiwonkanogy2975 2 года назад

some of the straight up R series have oem cards that are very close in size for slightly better performance . R100 series? is that even a thing ... if not then R200 & R300 low end units go pretty cheap .

@davidp4456 2 года назад

Is it the 8490 with the broken connectors? How did that work out? Nice vid BTW

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Broken connection?

@davidp4456 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab Sorry I should have elaborated. At about the 3:25 point, the middle card on the left looks like it's got a broken left tab, with gold contacts missing compared to the others. You'll know what this is of course, and I'm sure you would have mentioned any damage in the commentary,- its just what I can see on the video. What is that bit for anyway? Thx. D

@Tech2C 2 года назад

$20 is a great price for the faster cards. It's funny how the second digit of the model number is more important than the first digit! It would be interesting if the current RX 6400 GPU card can run these older games, being PCIE and single slot to compare. They look very similar.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

The RX 6400 has one weakness, it's a PCIe 4.0 8x card, but most Small Form Factor machines are only PCIe 3.0, so you are getting half the bandwidth. The GeForce 1650 is the fastest Low Profile card at the moment...

@aragorn084 2 года назад

Rx6400 is pcie 4 4x!!

@vicchopin 2 года назад

Awesome phil being awesome!!!

@martinking2909 2 года назад

Reminds me of how much I suffered for years with a core2duo system and a HD5450 512mb. So glad I upgraded, finally.

@AFFL1CTED1 2 года назад

It would have been interesting to see performance with all the cards using "Amernime Zone" (NimeZ) drivers. Also, I have the 8570 and it has a weird issue where if I overclock the card while using dual monitors the one connected via DVI will glitch sporadically. I researched it a while ago, and don't remember all the details, but it's not isolated to my experience; others have reported similar issues.

@andrewmcewan9145 2 года назад

I beleve I had that issue on my hd 7950s but if you bake the oc in to the bios it shoud be fine. Vbe9 was the software I used to modify the bios. I do not know if it supports thst gpu but if the oc was stable otherwise definitely worth a try. I beleve it is a gcn 1 issue

@AFFL1CTED1 2 года назад

@@andrewmcewan9145 interesting. I'll look into that. Thanks for the reply.

@ramibos6549 2 года назад

I've put gtx1050ti LP into HP 800 SFF, of course SSD and additional 80mm fan.. what a punch for 150eur alltogether

@cydragon2.099 2 года назад

I have some times just used the HD 7470 just for giggles (I mostly use an AMD Radeon RX 460 2GB until i can afford any upgrades)

@theKongston Год назад

This video helped me build a budget gaming/school pc, thanks! Arch Linux, Optiplex 390 i3-2100, 4GB ram, HD7570.

@philscomputerlab Год назад

Awesome!

@bhume7535 2 года назад

I have an hd 7570 in an old HP proliant server since the onboard is basically only good for adjusting stuff in the BIOS. It works super well and fits in a 1U case. what's not to like?

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Agreed 🙂

@Sprier 2 года назад

Impressive performance from the 8000! Even with the gddr3, neat little cards.

@ravenof1985 2 года назад

r5 240 is a rehash of the 8570, you need to modify the driver INF for an 8570 to get it to work but it does.

@andystech101 2 года назад

Wait so AMD have updated drivers now for GCN cards?

@crsorsmth5113 2 года назад

Perfect! I am searching for a cheap gpu for my old pc so I can learn Linux with no consequences of losing data and such, so this will do perfectly fine.

@savagemadman2054 2 года назад

About 3 years back when it was impossible to find a low profile Polaris based card, I picked up the fastest of these low profile AMD OEM cards I could find - the R7-450. It was a Dell OEM part configured with 4GB GDDR5 on a 128bit memory bus. Was very, very disappointed in it's performance.

@airmicrobe 2 года назад

It is good for resident evil 8 much better than r7 240 4gb.It is as it is supposed to be. Overall, I feel better playing cyberpunk 2077 than gt 1030. Of course I recorded both of them and gt 1030 is 5 more avg FPS. But in the cutscenes r7 450 show its capability with 4 gb gddr5 memory packs. I disappointed too expecting it over performing gt 1030. It is not Overclocked well, I mean not at all. Yes I disappointed too. Still great because outperform GTX 650 or 550 ti with legacy driver.

@Agoz8375 2 года назад

I owned the Radeon HD 8570 OEM Low Profil with 2gb 128bit and it's a good Video card. This card support new driver and I can play old game's and new game's like Fortnite, Valorant with it.

@milescarter7803 2 года назад

You do have me intrigued, the only problem is how well does a 8570 work with Vulkan, Wayland and SteamOS HoloISO on gamescope?

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Hmm I could have tested Vulkan, but don't have the PC anymore, looking at getting a G2 series HP or Dell Optiplex for future projects!

@Undeaddeaths 2 года назад

I would be curious to see a performance test on Linux vs Windows on these old cards. There's been a lot of work recently for older AMD graphics cards on the Linux side, I wonder how much it would benefit these older cards.

@voodoovinny7125 Год назад

Linux dropped support for older cards. I found this out when I was trying to get R9 280X setup a few months ago.

@NipplesOfDestiny 2 года назад

I love the channel always something interesting

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

I appreciate that!

@juanignacioaschura9437 2 года назад

This video reminded me: Phil, are you still using your YESTON RX550 GPU as a daily driver? If so, how has your experience been so far?

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

I don't have that card anymore...

@86techboy 2 года назад

I have only brief experience using such cards when repairing a old Dell Optiplex 7010 but there is a issue with Windows 10 compatibility. That the USB 3.0 controller will not work properly under Win 10. So that PC can only run Win 7 properly but yet another software related problem was the driver for the AMD Radeon 7470 that came with the PC. I do notice that if I were to install the latest AMD driver from AMD website, the fan can be quite loud. The proper way in my opinion to install the correct driver for both the AMD Radeon 74XX/84XX or even the 75XX/85XX was through MS update on Win 7. Than the card will work normally and fan isn't that loud as before since MS update have the driver which identify it as a "AMD Radeon 7470" but not AMD Radeon 7000 Series graphic card. Win 10 there is no proper driver for it so it would be best to install from AMD website but the fan will still be loud. Back in the old days ATI/AMD Radeon cards for OEM usually manufacturers will have their own ATI/AMD graphic card driver. After when the driver is installed it will properly identify the ATI/AMD Radeon card model. However manufacturer driver can be out of date so you can use MS update to check for any latest version but this is only for Win 7 OS only. I would love to try a old ATI/AMD if I can get my hands on one as finding a used ATI/AMD Radeon will bound to have issues like artifacting etc.

@itstheweirdguy 2 года назад

It's more likely you have a bad motherboard. I have had no issues on 7010's and their USB in Windows 10, or 11!

@hyperturbotechnomike 2 года назад

I have once got a bunch of Dell branded R5 340X graphics cards when buying new old stock for my business. They were slower than a GT730, but also used less power. But at the end i did resell them to the recycling company, because i didn't know what to use them for.

@ViktorL2000 7 месяцев назад

I want to buy a low-profile video card for my backup low-power computer. But there is already an Intel i5 4570 with a built-in video card. And the power of the power supply is only 200 watts on a 12V line.

@Matt08719801 2 года назад

same situation with nvidia anything past driver 258.96 you lose a lot of compatibility with older games like examples regarding gcn vs terrascale and older

@arnaldodaniel1804 10 месяцев назад

I came to your channel randomly, and I really liked your way of making videos, but I was surprised that you have never made a video of the AMD Radeon R5 240 (Dell), that little card literally became the people's card in Latin America because to the economy that it is, because it is still fighting. As far as I know, it shares many characteristics with the 8570 despite being slightly slower.

@poseidon3032 4 месяца назад

I acquired an old office Dell Optiplex from job a few years ago. Turns out it's an XE. Basically an old dinosaur. When I started refurbishing it, I upgraded the CPU to a Q9550s, HD to an SSD, added memory. I'm still working that as far as getting it to 8 GB with 1333 MHz at dual channel. It had an Dell AMD HD3450 and I tried to install an RX 550 after some research but it wouldn't work because of the DOS VESA 103 issue and that the Dell Q45 BIOS had to have it. The RX550 lacked support. I ended up installing the HD7570, hoping that would work. It did. I'm not really studying the gaming as much as I am for online streaming. I'm still looking for more performance. So would be the best AMD card, with DOS VESA 103 support, that I could install. I do have the 7570 running, via Afterburner, running at 8570 stock levels. But video is still a bit choppy. Catalyst Suite was better for me than the Adrenaline Suite. I'm first time hearing about Nunez mod drivers. I would much rather get the best supported GPU for this build. I prefer AMD because even though I'm running Windows 10, I'll later convert to Linux and AMD GPU seems better supported there. Otherwise, it would be GTX 1030 for me. Although, there's tea leave about better Nvidia support through noveou, but I don't know.

@philscomputerlab 4 месяца назад

I've tested a few more cards since this video, take a look on the channel. Some are quite fast. Haven't done anything with DOS though, so not sure...

@MrJuanjo1997 Год назад

5:28 maybe something software related is going on here, because I get smooth RU-vid playback at 1080p60 with my Xeon X5675 and a crappy HD5450 1GD3

@philscomputerlab Год назад

Yea not sure what's going on. It does depend a bit on the content also. Like racing scenes or fast paced action can be more demanding...

@lewzealand4717 2 года назад

I got an 8570 with an old Dell with i7-4790 in it and it even plays Tomb Raider (2013) at over 50fps 720p Lo +Shadows & AA with 1100/1100 OC. Nice bump from default 833c/900m. Fan speed fine, set custom curve in Afterburner. Also does OK on DiRT Rally (don't remember FPS) and a number of mid-2010s games on 720p Lo+Shadows/AA. Ehh, have an RX 6400 now so the 8570 is waiting for another Dell which I'm gathering parts for...

@juanmassiosare9850 2 года назад

How did you get that OC at 1100/1100Mhz on the HD 8570? I can only get to 1000/1000Mhz with MSI Afterburner; I have a HD 8570 1GB GDDR3 (Stock 780Mhz/900Mhz Core/Vram). My PC has an Intel i7 2600, 2x4GB DDR3 at 1333Mhz and a HD 8570 1GB GDDR3, in the Tomb Raider (2013) Benchmark at 720p/Normal/Aniso x8 and No AA/Tessellation/High Precision/Post Processing, I get the following (with seven tabs open in Chrome, several folders open in Windows, and some light programs running): * HD 8570 1GB GDDR3 STOCK (780Mhz/900Mhz), Windows 8.1-64Bit, old Drivers. Crisom 17.4.4. - Min FPS: 48 - Max FPS: 72 - AVG FPS: 61 * HD 8570 OC (1000/1000Mhz). - Min FPS: 58 - Max FPS: 84 - AVG FPS: 71 * At 720p/Low/Aniso x8/No AA and some things off. > HD 8570 1GB GDDR3 Stock. - Min FPS: 54 - Max FPS: 80 - AVG FPS: 68 > HD 8570 OC. - Min FPS: 68 - Max FPS: 90 - AVG FPS: 79 * HD 8570 Stock at 720p/ALL LOW (Billinear instead Aniso 8x). - Min FPS: 56 - Max FPS: 80 - AVG FPS: 69 * HD 8570 OC at 720p/ALL LOW (Billinear instead Aniso 8x). - Min FPS: 68 - Max FPS: 94 - AVG FPS: 80 * All tests with Vsync-OFF > (not double buffer or triple buffer).

@lewzealand4717 2 года назад

@@juanmassiosare9850 The OC is crazy on this little video card as I have a GTX745 with similar base clocks and can't OC that one nearly as much, this 8570 be a lucky good sample. I need to run the Benchmark at native and max OC. Actually IIRC the DDR2 on this card OCs way beyond 1100 but lemme dig it out again and test. I'll have to try the Benchmark again because I was playing through the first levels and in the first openish areas in the wooded spot with the bear at the far end, it was getting 50 FPS, which is lower than you have there. However the wooded area may be more difficult to render. I'm curious now...

@corneliusantonius3108 2 года назад

I gamed a bit for a build on a HIS HD 6750 with a HD 6770 Bios on it.

@satoshi649 2 года назад

The R5 240 is probably a rebranded version of the HD 8570, if you would look them up

@jamezxh 2 года назад

7570 is a great card the DDR5 really helps . It’s just a pity it didn’t make the cut with the updated legacy drivers. I’ve literally got a draw full of these from a heap of optiplex’s they threw away at work along with about 30 I7 3770 CPUs

@sovo1212 2 года назад

Have you tried the modified drivers?

@jamezxh 2 года назад

@@sovo1212 no I haven’t? Link please

@farben_ 2 года назад

@@jamezxh I have drivers that work for Vista64 and XP, modified the inf files myself, you have to go in the hardware tab then copy the string, paste it then add the Windows number version code... but youtube doesn't let me post links. I can post the driver version later.

@nashcomp Год назад

Compare to 7730 ddr5, did the 8570 have the same results?

@Th4tNiggaSpiderman Год назад

Give me one for free bro you dont need it cmon

@-x21- 9 месяцев назад

Hey Phil. I have an ELSA WinnerWare driver disc image if it's interesting. It worked for my ELSA Erazor iii.

@GTFour 2 года назад

Did you try the HD7570 overclocked? It has hugely higher memory bandwidth being GDDR5 vs GDDR3 so should be able to sustain higher fps and better 1% low. Might need larger range of titles to get a better perspective.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

I didn't because it's built on a larger process and I don't think would OC much.

@GTFour 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab You may well be right, though the stock clocks are quite low and the memory fast so it might also be well worth testing. Loving the content as always.

@middle_pickup 2 года назад

I have an HD 7670 1 gig card that I used for some XP gaming recently. It was difficult finding drivers for it since it's an OEM (HP?) unit though. I think the driver I did find that worked with it still lacked the full control panel for graphics settings. I imagine if you find one with the right driver it would work great for XP. You should give these cards a try for some XP games. Maybe you know something I don't about drivers.

@vertujoe2886 2 года назад

Thank you Phil. I ve heard rx560 and recently released rx6400 are best performer at their price range. these cards are only win7+ compatible, might not fit the retro theme of the channel. but I still want to hear your insights about these relatively-budget cards.

@aragorn084 2 года назад

Buy an older "good" card instead. Eg a 7970 or 280x instead of a 560. Cheaper and faster. Same story with the 6400, better to buy an rx470/480

@SharpShoot3r_14 2 года назад

@@aragorn084 Power consumption?

@kozad86 2 года назад

Do the RX 6400 for a Retro Win 10 build? 🙃

@arnislacis9064 Год назад

I got the AMD Radeon HD 8570 from Aliexpress. Recently I repasted it. The GPU is good, it can drive VGA monitor using DVI-I to VGA Adapter or it can drive Modern 4K monitor, through DisplayPort 1.2 port. I have AMD Ryzen 5 2600 System, and I have installed MSI GeForce GTX 960 4GB and Radeon HD 8570 as extra video outputs. Btw I have all PCIe slots full on my MSI B450 Tomahawk Max motherboard.

@judasthepious1499 2 года назад

I have the RX 550 and the RX 640 version of these single slot low profile graphic cards.. both are from Dell OEM prebuilt office pc, the slim sff type.. and yeah.. both are pretty much just the same, the RX 640 just a rebadge of the RX 550 the temps on the RX 640 are kinda high, even as high as 80 degree Celcius in an open case pc price per performance.. you guys might better off with single slot low profile gt 1030

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Awesome!

@matthewday7565 2 года назад

Can you test the 8570 AMD drivers vs the Nimez.... I have a R5 240 OEM = 8570 with a 64 bit memory bus

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Nimez?

@matthewday7565 2 года назад

@@philscomputerlab NimeZ modded drivers, they are on Guru3D, mentioned on TechPowerup.... Until AMD made the 22.6.1 legacy release, they were the only game in town for updated support 22.8.2 is the current NimeZ for GCN ... on Sourceforge as Amernime Zone

@churblefurbles 2 года назад

Problem with cheap cards is no vp9/av1 and sometimes not even hevc decode for htpc.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Yes that's an issue.

@Thelango99 2 года назад

The video is buffering rather slowly. It is not me as I have 500/500 fiber. Has it been banished to slow storage at RU-vid?

@jbol2454 2 года назад

How do these compare with a 7750? Is there anything else more powerful that's AMD low profile for Windows XP gaming?

@sv650touring 2 года назад

Ive tried some OEM AMD cards that looked just like these and was disappointed that none of the DVI ports were dual-link, so I couldn't use them with my old DVI-only WQHD monitors, but every nVidia card I tried did work. I don't even care about 3D performance I just wanted a cheap video card for desktop use.

@JeremyLeePotocki 2 года назад

I got a 8570 I picked it up at Free Geeks Arkansas for $4 (U.S.) a few years ago I mostly use it to test other PC parts, but I am thinking of building a Retro Gaming PC cause I have a spare I3-4130T. So I was going to get a cheap ITX 1150 Motherboard then put it all together into a cheap as heck case.

@AaronHendu 2 года назад

There are OEM R7 240/250/340/350 for cheap as well, at least there was last I checked.

@Andy-cr2dc 2 года назад

I owned a HD 7470 many years ago was good for that time. How the 8570 has drivers from 2022 when de R9 and R7 series are out of support by amd and are more capable than these you tested.

@airmicrobe 2 года назад

Legacy driver is applied to all gcn1 released 3 months ago. 22.6.1

@CaptainKenway 2 года назад

I had a low profile OEM R5 240 (not to be confused with the R7 240) for a while that I picked up for almost nothing. The problem with it for me was the insane fan noise; even on the lowest RPM it was unbearable. It had the same cooler as the 8490 in this video, so personally I'd avoid that one like the plague.

@mirific87 2 года назад

These 7570s can still game at 720 and sometimes 900p even some modern games like GTA V, Valorant, Fortnite, WoT. I personally think this price range of about £25 you can find a faster card like w4100 with 2gb GDDR5 for newer games. Also, Phil, please review a w4300, it's a very interesting card in the sense that it's low profile, single slot, still has driver support AND can be modded to work with WinXP. 4GB GDDR5 as well!!!!

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

I am looking out for these W4000 cards, just have to get a good price!

@heymaumaumau 2 года назад

For similar use cases, there's one 1050 Ti model from Inno3D that's single slot and doesn't require additional power, being suitable for SFF PCs and workstations with non-standard power supplies being converted to gaming PCs. It's no longer being sold by them apparently so you may have to find a used one though.

@itstheweirdguy 2 года назад

What about a Radeon RX 6400? Seems a really good fit for sff.

@heymaumaumau 2 года назад

@@itstheweirdguy I didn't know that there were single slot versions for that chip as well but I see that there's at least one (XFX SWFT105). It does seem to require additional power though (not just through the PCIe bus), so that could rule it out for workstations using proprietary power supplies.

@IronicTonic8 2 года назад

I've got the 7570 in one of my low power compact rigs running windows xp. I use it exclusively for playing retro games. I think it cost me $14.

@philscomputerlab 2 года назад

Nice! Keep an eye out for the 8570, the main difference for you is lower power consumption...

@Sam-K 2 года назад

Interesting results. I was 100% sure the 7570 would take the lead, merely because of its much higher bandwidth thanks to GDDR5 and a slightly higher core count. I suppose GCN doesn't require nearly as much bandwidth as TeraScale.

@dex6316 2 года назад

TeraScale utilizes what is called a Very Long Instruction Word (VLIW) architecture. It uses Instruction Level Parallelism (ILP) versus Thread Level Parallelism (TLP) on the GCN architectures. This means that shader utilization is atrocious on the TeraScale architecture and gets worse as it ages. At around 2011, VLIW5 on TeraScale only would achieve 68% utilization. This is why the 6970/6950 had their shaders utilize a VLIW4 architecture. GCN always had proper utilization of its shaders, so its effective shader count is much higher. Maybe around 30-40%. Its clocks are 20% higher, so the core should perform 50-60% better. GCN also has improved Delta Color Compression (DCC). This reduces the need for more memory bandwidth. Normally, this card should perform 30-40% faster than the 7570. However, the memory bandwidth is so atrocious it struggles to function. That’s why Doom performed worse, and in most games it wasn’t significantly faster. Hope this helped :)

@klocugh12 2 года назад

TeraScale architecture has not aged well performance wise. In fact I saw some tests where HD7770 (almost lowest-end GCN) outperformed even HD6970 (fastest Terascale GPU) in specific modern games.

@Fernando-Rodriguez 2 года назад

I had an HD 8490 for a while, it could run Streets of Rage 4 at 1440x900 60 FPS with high settings and 90% resolution scale but I recommend that you keep away from it. HD 7570 and HD 8570 are better and I think both of them support Vulkan so they're good for emulation as well as retro pc games.

@harleyn3089 2 года назад

Just curious... Do you know how the HD8570 compares to the GTS 250? The GTS 250 is not low profile and uses a lot more power, but for XP where DirectX 10 support is enough, does the GTS 250 perform better than these cards? I mainly ask because it's about the same price. I recently got a BFG GTS 250 for $15.

@itstheweirdguy 2 года назад

Of course the GTS 250 is faster than any of this, it's a full size graphics card. It's safe to assume the GTS 250 is way faster than these. Radeon HD 4850 4860 4870 4890 are nice choices too. Everything I'm talking about here is older though, but if DX 10 is all you need it's faster.

@juanmassiosare9850 2 года назад

The GTS 450 is more powerful than the GTS 250, plus the GTS 450 would have better support for Dx10/Dx11 and OpenGL 3.x/4.x, but both would not support Vulkan; In any case, a GTX 650 or a GT 740 would be a better option. A stock HD 8570 is more powerful than a R5 240/R7 240/R5 340X/R5 430 or HD 7570, but an HD 8570 with OC (1000Mhz/1000Mhz in Core/vram) It has a performance similar to an R5 250 DDR3/HD 8670, that is, it is one step away from graphics like the HD 6770/HD 7750 GDDR5/R5 250 GDDR5/GTX 650/GT 740/Vega 8 from Ryzen 2200G/3200G APUs. * An HD 8570 + OC/HD 8670/R5 250 DDR3 are a better option than a GTS 450 and also a much better option than a GTS 250, both for performance and for compatibility with current Graphics APIs (Dx12/Vulkan) and for handling more Drivers newer than the GTS 2xx/4xx. * Today if you want to enjoy Console Emulators in a better way, you must have a Graphics (Integrated or Dedicated) that is compatible with Vulkan/Dx11/Dx12 and to a lesser extent with OpenGL 4.x. > HD 8570 is better than HD 7570 (about 15-20%)....GTS 450 is better than GTS 250, HD 8570/GTS 450 much the same, BUT HD 8570 support Dx9/Dx10/Dx11/Dx12, OpenGL 3.x/4.x and VULKAN. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vK6Nr_wZ78I.html * HD 8570 power consumption about 50W, NO NEED PCie 6 pin from PSU.