Cheap Triathlon Bike Vs Super Bike | Fast Budget TT Bike Ep. 2

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One cheap bike, and one super bike, both designed with aerodynamics in mind, and for triathlon and time trials. But does the cost difference really translate to performance? Mark & Sam do some experimenting!
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@adamsheret149 3 года назад

Same experiment with deeper wheels on the cheap bike would be interesting. As most people would buy a cheaper bike and upgrade the wheels.

@itarry4 3 года назад

Yhea wheels and tires, which they probably did but still, are usually the first if not only true upgrade many will make and are supposed to be the biggest difference you can make. Seems odd to put TT Bars on and not do the wheel set. Even if it was a slightly cheaper deep wheel, say alloy not carbon it'd still have felt more true. Maybe 105 as well but that isn't as important.

@log_it8282 3 года назад

The time difference equals to ~15W savings assuming a completely flat course. Slightly over the expected savings between a 30mm standard wheelset and a very good aeroset like the 1100 ARCs (about 10W at 40km/h).

@itarry4 3 года назад

@@log_it8282 which is why it'd make it a good comparison especially as a average decent deep wheelset is probably the first thing most would do these days.

@uaproman 3 года назад

You can find such an experiment on GCN in recent videos)

@itarry4 3 года назад

@@uaproman oh I know I watch all the Global bike/Triathlon channels but I've noticed that GTN seems to have a fair number of watchers who don't watch GCN so it'd be good if they did it on here for them. I'm not overly bothered about the results as I know them roughly anyway I just believe it would have been a goid idea to add to this video or for making another. I always think these types of video should be as real world as possible and as I said I honestly think that a new deeper wheelset would be the first upgrade anyone who knows their cycling would do, even before the TT Bars in many cases even with long distance Triathletes.

@tomrachellesfirstdance7843 3 года назад

13:47 the biker answering nature's call in the background 😂

@gtn 3 года назад

Haha! We can absolutely assure you that the cameraman is not.

@DarenC 3 года назад

@@gtn Have you ever heard of the duck test? :D I reckon most people seeing that will think that's exactly what he's doing, even if he's not. Funny =)

@cvdavis 3 года назад

Throw some aero wheels on the Boardman and redo the challenge.

@MrMichaelfalk 3 года назад

fantastic - filming the motorcyclist peein in the backgroud after the brake test :-D

@arcticrunning8370 3 года назад

I kinda regret selling my old TT bike now and buying a new and expensive one. LOL. But the new one looks realy cool...

@rogga1011 3 года назад

GCN have done a few videos along these lines - with old aluminium bikes and with Chinese 'no brand' bikes comparing them to the top of the range. In both, I got the impression that for the average age-grouper you aren't really gaining that much by spending an extra 3 or 4 grand on a top of the range bike.

@phil4263 3 года назад

I know understand why the road was damp with the motorcyclist in the background going go a wee 😂

@theatomictrain10 3 года назад

Can't believe that made in in the final cut :DDD

@Jett125 3 года назад

This has made me wanna get back out there more than any vid ive seen. love it. keep it up guys

@HCMORGI 3 года назад

swap the weels and try again

@deanb61 3 года назад

I bought an old Giant TCR TT bike, the type Jan Ullrich rode. In spite of being alloy, it's really light and has been upgraded with a carbon cockpit. I changed the old 9 speed Dura-ace to modern ultegra. The main problem is it won't take modern wheels so I haven't managed to find decent aero race wheels yet.

@wemorgan 3 года назад

Nice video guys! The "cheap bike" has already been upgraded with a power meter. The best >£250 you can spend on a TT bike IMHO. Looking forward to the next videos.

@robbchastain3036 3 года назад

Fair play, gents, and thanks for not trashing the used bike. And I actually prefer the look of the Boardman and that bike would've won something if you tested the two in a sideways hurricane. You'd fly back to Kansas on that Canyon. And maybe price-wise, the comparison is more new 911 v. unrestored rally car.

@diegolange6500 3 года назад

Great and fun video, as always. I wonder what sponsor Canyon has to say. As a starter in triathlon I seriously consider now going for a used older bike 😉

@shore9656 3 года назад

That canyon is sooooooo nice!

@peterningelgen278 3 года назад

Made for looking good, for Vitrines, would crying make it dirty on the roads...

@MaartenAnna 3 года назад

I liked this one, thought it really funny. Some take aways: add some deep section wheels to the Boardman bike & you’re in business. Personally, I’d change the aerobars as well, so I could get into a more praying mantis position, saving another 10-20 watts, rather than “scooping up air” with the aerobars in this flat position. Also, I’d look to see if I could rearrange the cables on the boardman, that might save a few watts. Finally, a bikefit & more comertable saddle would save the most watts I think. But all in all, for another 500-700GBP you’d have yourself a smashing “cheap” TT bike. Obviously, you’d then need to add hydration in the front, on the frame & behind the saddle, as well as a bento box for nutrition/spares, etc just to do a 70.3, or full Ironman distance. This would make your bike slower again. But, be honest, out of roughly 5M people worldwide doing triathlon, how many of us are in with a chance of qualifying for the 70.3 worlds, or Kona..? If I were Canyon, I would not like this comparison much...

@damu6678 3 года назад

A more accurate TT measurement would be to start the time when you hit 300 watts. It removes the starting problems with wrong gearing, not clipping in, etc

@PeterCrooks-ss4vs 11 месяцев назад

One of the thing I bought this year!

@bikeanddogtripsvirtualcycling 3 года назад

boardman bikes never held the brownlee brothers back

@jascollinscork 3 года назад

Nice video.... great comparison!!!!

@timvanmonero2720 3 года назад

the guy on the cheap bike has quite a circular lateral movement in his pedal stroke. his knees going out in in. i'm not sure if that's well fitted.

@stephenboshears4832 3 года назад

It’s worth noting that when compared to the Aero Road Bike they tested last month with clip on bars it was a wash vs the budget TT bike despite costing more than 10x as much.

@lfoster7601 3 года назад

As others have mentioned, I suspect the cheap bike would significantly close the gap with a 2nd pair of good quality deep rim wheels. You'd still be paying a fraction of the cost of the "Super bike", but be well within striking range - 3min on an IM70.3 is about 1.5 on a traditional 25mTT course, and good wheels would absolutely close that. So basically, most of the money spent on the Canyon is wasted...

@mcorbett01 3 года назад

Great advert for Boardman. I guess we should all nip down to Halfords 😁

@1markdun 3 года назад

Certainly agree with some comments that as a total long course and Tri bike newbie I’d be tempted to Gondor the cheaper bike and invest in some decent wheels and possibly even a group set in the future

@Digitalbath570 3 года назад

can i ask if the boardman was serviced before testing I.e bearings ?

@alansmith2593 3 года назад

alan smith It’s worth noting that I run Shimano Claris and when indexed properly I can also change gear out the saddle. With trickle down technology even cheaper group sets can be race worthy.

@stephenboshears4832 2 года назад

True but the shifters being on the aero bars is actually the limiting factor, the superbike has DI2 and so it can have shifters on both.

@matthewbingham9583 3 года назад

I like that constant Power output test as it shows the aero differences but one major advantage of Dura Ace and the stiffer frame etc is allowing you to deliver more power more easily etc, I feel like a flat out effort over 2 or 5 km would be another excellent test and then you could possibly do some sort of Power for time equation and see what you get there but without that part watching you max out over a short distance on both bikes would really show how much more performance the Canyon can help get out of your body!! What do you think?

@davidadams8736 3 года назад

Would be interesting if a deeper section wheel of average price was added to the bordman still making it less that a thousand pounds what would the difference between then

@1inchlegendaka.icebrrg156 3 года назад

Love the video but I feel like the standing start brings a lot of unnecessary variablity into the test, loosing 2-4s at the start is very possible without noticing

@mickchaganis6607 3 года назад

Yeh a low speed rolling start would be better wouldn't it?

@timcappiello8295 3 года назад

Video idea: Si from gcn on his tt vs one of you guys?

@johnbevan7622 3 года назад

So is episode 3 all about how close to the canyon can you make the boardman at what cost??

@andreemurray7039 3 года назад

A great starting bike which when financie allows up grade great show

@danskey6623 3 года назад

🤣 13.49 camera man's having a waz 🤣🤣🤣

@yazminimagic 3 года назад

Would the run section be bit better with a TT bike? Thats what they recommend. Im with a road bike with clip ons.:)

@ollieknight45 Год назад

I'd be interested to see the boardman tt vs a carbon aero road bike with clip on tt bars.

@3WalkingPoles 3 года назад

Now I'm waiting for the short with all the beeps. 😂

@itarry4 3 года назад

If you're starting out the difference is probably going to be smaller as you gain more the faster you go anyway. Until you are at a certain speed, level of riding then the difference between the 2 will probably be very small. The break over lay it definitely looks like you break later on the cheap bike but yhea sure disc will stop faster anyway so.

@tytin2545 3 года назад

Lol 13:54 Guy on the motorcycle go we we we

@muratguc5245 3 года назад

Based on the result over two kilometers, it might seem like the difference would be around 6 minutes in an ironman; but I strongly believe the difference would be more than twelve minutes over the whole lenght of such a course. The longer the duration the more fatiuging those slower bikes get.

@fkhan98 3 года назад

For most people that'll be easily picked up with familiarity and fitness. Like they say if you're looking to podium and / or have the cash get a superbike. If you're just starting out budget bike will serve well for years while your body builds the aerobic capacity required.

@playbuttonwith1video-readm668 3 года назад

Who thinks Jan Frodeno would still win on the cheap bike?

@peterningelgen278 3 года назад

For Sure, Just 1 Minute left behind the Hightech Bike, less risk with damages, quicker tire Service If it needs. Even good Aero adjustment of the Body Position. It makes not as huge difference as cnyn or others mention. Human Aeroposition ability, good lege, preparation in human performance, thats the true bullets of Speed. Having fun !

@maartends6051 3 года назад

A giveaway when the series is done???

@richardjuniper 3 года назад

Enjoyable video, one comparison I'd like to see is the price difference between the two, £400 vs £6000 maybe? (or did you mention that and I miss it?)

@larsulveland2690 3 года назад

The cheap version of the Canyon is €10K...

@richardjuniper 3 года назад

@@larsulveland2690 ouch 😁

@Toto_Muc 3 года назад

@@larsulveland2690 speedmax SLX with DI2: 7800€

@alansmith2593 3 года назад

I recon you could get a Triathlon competent bike for less than £400 too. Mine was 600 brand new and has done 2 70.3‘S Great filum though cheers guys :)

@julienbouillot6960 3 года назад

For a developing cyclist that would start with a 200W FTP, what would the time difference be on the cheap bike by increasing their FTP to 250? I would develop the cyclist first, the aero position second and then the bike. Having said that if you can afford it nothing wrong to buy a shiny new toy :-)

@matthewspooner8932 3 года назад

Add a decent set of wheels to the Bordman, still well under £1000 and very little difference

@jamesandrei4523 3 года назад

Boardman time trial is a dream bike for me

@MrMichaelfalk 3 года назад

Would rather se a comparision between more "normal" tt bikes - with cheaper maybe Shimano 105 vs DI2 gropupset..

@mintheman7 3 года назад

Shifting will be better with DI2 but zero difference in performance

@andrewmetcalfe9898 3 года назад

Having an equivalent wheel set on the boardman would slash the time difference over a 70.3 to about no more than a minute. If are not racing for podiums that would be more than enough kit. In other words the Boardman plus race wheels is good enough for 99% of all triathletes in all races outside a World Championship.

@unknownuser-00001 3 года назад

If cheap triathlon bike use deep wheels?

@thelionskiln 3 года назад

Feel like this on my old Felt :D

@timobrien256 3 года назад

Is it ever sunny and warm where u ride?

@itarry4 3 года назад

Do you just bring Fraser out to show us he's still alive than put him back in his cupboard or something. When he did a couple of videos last month I thought, gladly he was coming back and over whatever has been happening with him. Appears not though so I hope he's doing OK and will be back properly soon.

@flatini 3 года назад

@Fraser Cartmell hey Fraser, we miss you mate. Ad maiora

@jc5146 3 года назад

I’ve been offered a boardman for 800 quid like new. Should I ?

@jackdebokx4566 3 года назад

Obviously in a triathlon you will have to go for a run after the ride, and speaking from experience, that is a bit more comfortable on a bike that sits better, rides better and has a good set up. So i guess you will also win quite a bit with running off your Canyon than with the Boardman.....

@richshaffer7285 3 года назад

The cost of the Canyon, you could really do some nice upgrades on the Boardman and still only be at 1/4 of the cost. For your average triathlete, the Canyon seems a waste...unless of course you just want a really, really nice bike. To be fair, if I could, I'm buying the Canyon.

@Aniara64 3 года назад

I would like to see a comparison between a TT-bike and a Tri-bike. Maybe invite Sid for a match?

@timcappiello8295 3 года назад

Next up mid range bike vs superbike?

@Eagle6Airsoft 3 года назад

My s works venge is just quicker, I got told off by the bike shop for using it all year round and by my wallet with the repair bill. Switched out to a 700 pound Allez and ironically ended up doing crazy amounts of miles on it in winter. The super bikes are quicker and it’s so nice in summer getting back on it but it’s a lot of money to only pull out on race day if you want to keep it at that quick speed unless you got the money for replacing duraace group sets all the time, if you are truely smashing the miles. Easier to accelerate and maintain a higher average. As simple as that, which clocks up the longer you ride. Especially if you are someone that can average above 20 mph consistently. Everything gets fast and smooth.

@martinspiegl3986 3 года назад

Sorry to ask, but have I missed that a new guy replaced fraser?

@gtn 3 года назад

Hey Martin, Sam has been helping us on the channel as Fraser takes some time away from the screen, he's working hard behind the scenes 🙂

@julianwarmington1267 3 года назад

@@gtn That's great... but who's doing the writing/ phrasing? I mean, is it a "cheap" bike, or "entry level"?

@markmm29 3 года назад

@@julianwarmington1267 it’s cheap. Sam is a pro triathlete and family man that understands the full spectrum of bikes and performance having worked up from an age group athlete. Also the fact the video concludes explaining there isn’t much performance difference the main difference is the price. Sensitive.

@richardhudson4649 3 года назад

How much would a proper bike fit make a difference.

@PeterCrooks-ss4vs 10 месяцев назад

Good for its intended use - I'm trying to cool 1,000 sq ft and it's not working great for that...

@alessandrochaves3853 3 года назад

A sua cheap bike aqui no Brasil é uma bike pra poucos. Triste realidade 😭😭

@mmarcheto1 3 года назад

Why GTN only makes testing at 300watts, witch is PRO numbers for an Ironman and 703 ??? Why don't you make testing riding at 200watts, wich is still a good number for races, but more activable for age groupers ?

@peterlessard7066 3 месяца назад

You do the test going 40kph What is the difference in watts, rating perceived exertion and borrow a cda device. It would be more applicable for the millions of triathletes that have old, out of date bikes.

@alex31721able 3 года назад

Sam looks like a giant on that boardman

@stephenchu1115 3 года назад

You should have added Test #5 - reassembling the bike in a hotel room the night before the big race with only the tools you put in your bike bag. Use your Whoop to measure your sleep during the week of dissembling, flying to the race then reassembling the bike. Note, the bike fails if there is any brake rub. The cheap bike will win this challenge.

@douggriffiths9145 3 года назад

I guess when you gotta go, you gotta go!

@45Camster 3 года назад

JP 👍🏼

@standandeliver8376 3 года назад

Nice comparison, but with a difference of just 4 or 5 seconds in the first test, you just can't extrapolate it as you did. Firstly, the results are only accurate to the nearest second anyway. Secondly, when you take into account the natural fluctuations in power output, a few seconds difference isn't significant at all. Allowing for the errors in the test, there is no evidence that the bikes performed any differently to each other.

@basssorc 3 года назад

Guys there is no rule that you have to start in the biggest gear, you're allowed to use the shifters

@bend3214 3 года назад

One bike is 30x more expensive. Would like to see this test with a £1500 ebay /seond handbike. Or even all 3, £400 second hand, £1500 second hand (or the cheap one with upgrades), then the £10000 superbike. Most people will realise the mid range second hand bike cant be beaten for value.

@mintheman7 3 года назад

So bottom line is train a little harder and get 5W extra FTP, you can do better in a triathlon and save $10k.

@thezilmer 3 года назад

What is going on at 13:46 in the background???

@foophonic 3 года назад

the camerman is having a brew

@nickpope2913 3 года назад

I wondered too. Motorcyclist having a piss 🤣

@gtn 3 года назад

Haha! We can absolutely assure you that the cameraman is not.

@joe03056 3 года назад

I'm not sure what your target audience is, but (as a fairly serious runner but recreational cyclist), I have literally no clue what you mean when you say you're going to be sticking to 300 watts. I understand that this is a unit of effort but how is that measured, and how is it measured consistently across the two bikes?

@nicholasrich5775 3 года назад

It's measured using a power meter

@EricHarris2332 2 года назад

next challenge: Cheap bike, vs super bike vs aero bike

@fintanshaw4123 3 года назад

I love the gcn/gtn channels,but I think their definition of a “cheap bike” is a bit different to most people’s

@daveseemerollin6357 3 года назад

£400 is a steal for that bike, what are you an about. If you're spending less than £700 on a bike (new) then it's not built to last. Get used, get quality.

@zedddddful Год назад

The new decent race able Boardman's are all well over a grand now so £400 for something useable is really decent.

@jodydoucette1581 3 года назад

Redo the test with the same tires and tire pressure see what happens.

@SRobinson1485 3 года назад

You can spend a fortune on a super bike but you still need the legs to perform on one

@troyawitt 3 года назад

I LOVE passing super bikes in races on my $850 "cheap" TT bike. It's about the engine, kids!

@timetrialist 3 года назад

3 mins is a LOT!

@ljadf 3 года назад

Far superior beeps than GCN

@ericadmm 3 года назад

Good to know I should never ever upgrade my bike 😬

@annabelmills6519 3 года назад

could someone please make a compilation of GCN and GTN presenters saying 'beep beep beeeep' ty

@rama58 Месяц назад

canyon marketing team hoping nobady sees this video.

@Bigjuergo 3 года назад

same test with higher wheels on cheap bike will show nearly no diffetence only +7000 euro for the canyon 😂

@hayes6262 3 года назад

Just highlighting how much we get ripped off for very little extra

@perimec2 3 года назад

Is the cameramen peeing behind at 13:45?!?!?!WFT

@JamesCub88 3 года назад

i find it hilarious how they think £400 for a used bike is a "bargain". i can only imagine how much the other one cost, not even going to look

@daveseemerollin6357 3 года назад

£400 is a bargain relative to the new asking price. If you're spending less than £700 on a new bike then you're getting something with too many cut corners in regards to component quality. Buy cheap buy thrice.

@JamesCub88 3 года назад

@@daveseemerollin6357 apologies, should have been more specific. i didn't mean tri bikes, but bikes in general. mine cost £250 and it works perfectly. i guess tri bikes are just more expensive

@kikolola9532 3 года назад

Literally almost no difference except making u have a iphone compared to blackberry (same functions just hella sicker)

@ewoutbijlsma5254 3 года назад

wait, multiple tests? testing in duplo at roughly the same amount of watts? no flat out effort and pointing out the obvious? that's awfully scientific of GTN/GCN

@stevenrimmer2606 3 года назад

Cheap triathlon bike with upgrades to improving cheap bike performance

@stug45 3 года назад

6 minutes for several thousand pounds.

@pezza3146 3 года назад

Oh please stop beeping 😆

@timetrialist 3 года назад

Any self respecting person would not want to be seen in that Boardman, it looks awful. Riding a superbike gives you that sense you are in something special therefore your mental wants you to push harder.

@mickchaganis6607 3 года назад

You are high level athletes, so an average rider would notice even less difference in speed between these two bikes wouldn't they?