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Father Josiah Trenham
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@kevinchambersstudentovhs8686 Месяц назад

"Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it" ☦

@MyCorrectOpinion Месяц назад

"And if you do something for yourself, you do it against yourself. And if you do something against yourself, you do it for yourself" ☦

@anarcho_icon Месяц назад

What if you find your life through him?

@kevinchambersstudentovhs8686 Месяц назад

@@anarcho_icon Yeah thats kinda the whole point, life not so much in the sense of the physical body but in the eternity of the soul.

@user-wp1nf1zj7h Месяц назад

Death is not my problem because Christ already solved it. My problem is my sinful will and not listening to God. All glory to God ♥️☦️

@kathleenwindasgoodwin9165 Месяц назад

Same here.

@mickdomingo7276 Месяц назад

Yep.

@xBurzurkurx Месяц назад

You know what's great... even that has been taken care of and though it is at this moment, it will not be so anymore when we get our glorified bodies and flesh. 🙏☦👑

@Christisking1911 Месяц назад

Ditto

@Annayasha Месяц назад

Exactly ❤

@nikolamilinovic1230 Месяц назад

That poor man is not afraid of death but of his life. He tries to extend it in hope that he will find purpose for life itself.

@shikangakstein562 Месяц назад

That guy has granted us a lot of really good information though. I wonder myself if it's sin to know how to take care of one's body and one's wellbeing and to simply ignore that information? We have been granted the ability to prolong one's life and our capabilities, allowing us to commit more good.

@biljanabojovic4485 Месяц назад

Saint people already told us about that topic. Fasting and eating plant based diet is one thing. Faith in God, prayers, eucharist, holy liturgy are the other. We need to take care of our eternal life not this one on the Earth.@@shikangakstein562

@slowboywhiteboardv4 Месяц назад

Who wants to cheat death when you would have to live like that? 🙏🏻☦️

@iiyyxxnn Месяц назад

Its not about cheating death its about sacrificing to advance science🤦‍♂️

@CountyPharisee Месяц назад

Does your account keep getting nuked?

@MyCorrectOpinion Месяц назад

I used to be a transhumanist ☦

@slowboywhiteboardv4 Месяц назад

@@CountyPharisee yes 😆

@TheRealRealOK Месяц назад

@@slowboywhiteboardv4 😩

@Yuls777 Месяц назад

If you spend all your life in fear avoiding death, you will never live

@VloggingCastles Месяц назад

As an ex mormon myself I know how hard it was to come back and beilive in God I've finding out all the lies and damage from mormonism. Pray for him.

@kathyw7303 Месяц назад

imagine his fear when he realizes his death is imminent

@j_shelby_damnwird Месяц назад

Even worse...the moment we sinners confront the harsh reality of earthly life being nothing more than a prologue to eternal life. An eternity estranged from God's love and grace, if we decide to stray from the path. Lord have mercy on our souls ☦️

@royalpitamamma Месяц назад

My old father said the only reason we should care for living longer is so that we might draw closer to Christ or to bring others to Christ.

@jjuarez83 Месяц назад

Since my wife passed I do not fear death. I will live my life as best as I can so that I may have stories to share with Her.

@bean1731 Месяц назад

this is so sweet 😭 may your wife rest in the arms of Our Lord until you two meet again❤

@j_shelby_damnwird Месяц назад

Memory Eternal ☦️

@zibanorman3394 Месяц назад

I begn studying transhumanism about 6 years ago, I was not a christian from birth. A few years later I was baptised. The trnashumanist project helped to make Christ's message clear. And there is so much wisdom in Orthodoxy, I hope to be a full member of the church one day, now that I have found it . This was a great talk, Thank you Fr Josiah.

@Jeff.jdrjr013 Месяц назад

It’s funny how evil is one of the best things to bring us to the light. I believed a God existed but it was a God I had made up for myself. I remember I went to a heavy rock concert, and it felt like I gained consciousness for the first time. I looked all around me and everyone was screaming while disgusting and blasphemous things were being done on stage, and I knew this life was wrong. All the Glory to God for enlightening us to his truth ☦️

@JesusisTheWay70x7 Месяц назад

Evil cries out the existence of God in its antithesis of goodness. Evil experiences sent me running to Jesus after I could stand it no more and stand myself in it no more. I realised it was Jesus I was seeking all along, not just some nebulous possible maybe abrahamic Gos maybe not. Thank God and his grace

@jacob6088 Месяц назад

If only I could dedicate this much time, effort, and attention to care for my soul. If only I loved Christ as much as this man loves his decaying body. Lord have mercy

@heaven9378 Месяц назад

Right, your comment is so convicting. If only I would love Christ this much. Oh Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner☦️☦️

@chrissnider1505 Месяц назад

Word.

@j_shelby_damnwird Месяц назад

This

@matrixnorm6672 Месяц назад

Some anon said about this guy "50 yo man has spent 200 million $ to look like 50 yo lesbian" 😂

@hazeljeffery5653 Месяц назад

😂😂😂

@florinsaioc1070 Месяц назад

My only fear of death comes from the thought of not preparing enough for the meeting with Christ. Father, pray for me, the sinner. Best wishes from Romania!

@mail2vw Месяц назад

God bless

@rafaelprocopiak7758 Месяц назад

I suffer from OCD Father Josiah. Please pray for me. Pray also I make a good communion this Pascha.

@joshrubio6373 Месяц назад

I’m with you. I suffer from OCD as well. I’ll be praying for you.

@MARINE76911 Месяц назад

Also video after video on carnivore diet helping with ocd or scruplosity. Get your mind off what bothering you. Focus on Christ.

@joshrubio6373 Месяц назад

@@MARINE76911 I have a question for you since you brought up meat if you don’t mind me asking?

@feliciacoman9319 Месяц назад

🙏🙏🙏

@ILOVECOMEDYHAHA Месяц назад

Christ is King! ☦️

@PZ82 Месяц назад

Who wants to live forever in this hellhole? I have never understood that.

@theremix54 Месяц назад

Hey man, this is Gods earth, show some respect.

@IramCoercere 25 дней назад

@@theremix54The king of this world is the devil and not God

@fanuelterefe744 Месяц назад

Let's just not forget that there will be a time were people want to die but death won't get near them

@johnnyd2383 Месяц назад

He could have spent his fortune on helping needy and thus become worthy of eternal life, but he spends it on himself trying to wrestle out the eternal life, but in vain.

@joeskill4663 Месяц назад

He may add a few years to his life with his formula,,but then again listening to that diet he ate every day,,he probably is taking years off his life…🤷‍♂️😄🤦‍♀️

@tumbynaga Месяц назад

@johnnyd2383 eternal life is optioned only through believing in Jesus Christ and His sacrificial death on the cross not by good works. We can never earn our salvation through work. God’s Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone.

@johnnyd2383 Месяц назад

@@tumbynaga In his desperate attempt to counter heretical Latin abuses within the church, your guru Luther swang the pendulum to the other extreme position.... which is also false and yet another heresy. For example, requirements for salvation are spelled out in (Mark 16, 16) - faith AND ??? (works). Or, in (James 2,26): "faith without works is dead". Your guru wanted to remove book of James from the Bible for it was destroying his heretical doctrine. To put another nail in the coffin of that heretical doctrine, (Phil 2, 12) "...WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling..." Advice: If one wants to create doctrine, it is not advisable to select a few verses one may like, and create a straw man out of them. One ought to select ALL verses related to the subject matter, and based on ALL of them, create doctrine making sure there is no contradiction in between any of those verses and the doctrine. When you quote Ephesians 2, you should make sure you understand the context in which it is written. St. Paul was visiting Ephesus in 54 AD and spoke in Synagogue (Acts 19, 8). We can see St. Paul in his letter to Ephesians 2, talking about the "sons of disobedience" (v. 2) and "children of wrath" (v. 3), who are clearly the old Israelites, and thus makes clear distinction and progress between OT situation people were in, and NT situation by saying: "we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ" (v. 5). Then he continues to exalt new hope that is given to us in Lord Jesus Christ of being offered Grace as a mean of salvation (v. 8), which is His free gift to us... once again negating works of the OT: "not of works" (v. 9). And finally he mentions Christians being "His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus FOR GOOD WORKS" (v. 10) saying that "we should walk in them", meaning... to perform them. Note the negative connotation St. Paul makes with regards to the "works" of the OT and positive "good works" of the NT. So my dear... my friendly advice to you would be to re-examine your doctrine of salvation as it is unsound and not in compliance with the ancient Christianity as preserved in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

@Sk3p5ik Месяц назад

@@tumbynagaJames 2

@CaveDweller__ Месяц назад

@@tumbynagafaith is lived, not just an idea sitting in your brain.

@psyche8187 Месяц назад

Brian is a lovely and sincere person. As assured as he seems in these interviews, he is constantly seeking wisdom from the great traditions. I pray for him and I have hope that he will find his way to the true Way Truth and Life.

@ally1816 Месяц назад

Me to, I can relate in some way to him I hope he comes to Christ

@Arkoudeides. 20 дней назад

He is stupid

@lindaphillips4646 Месяц назад

How interesting that tucker and mr. johnson talked around the time of western Easter and before Orthodox PASCHA. This video would be important at any time of the year, but especially so in this season of Great Lent. You spoke of the ONE Who conquered death and answered the one who may do no more than prolong its coming. "CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD, TRAMPLING DOWN DEATH BY DEATH!, AND UPON THOSE IN THE TOMB BESTOWING LIFE!" ☦📿💝📿☦

@deborahthomas5102 Месяц назад

Luke 12:16-21 comes to mind when I hear these people talking about their work and prolonging their lives.

@Marina_IC_XC_NIKA Месяц назад

Also 2 Peter 2:19

@donnakrauss94 Месяц назад

When you live for the world you will only find misery in the end. Every living creature will parish, human, animal even a tree will one day die. Personally even if I was wealthy I would not want to live beyond my normal life spam I would rather be at rest. Blessed to you and all Orthodox Christians during this season of Lent. ☦️

@desertrat4532 Месяц назад

If you are fighting cancer, thats one dish to fix yourself. Imagine being so terrified of death you're a Bond Villain

@rb1691 Месяц назад

Thought of Michael Jackson while listening. Looking it up Michael Jackson's hyperbaric chamber. He breathed pure oxygen at a heightened pressure while he slept. He died at 50 years old. His personal physician, former cardiologist Conrad Robert Murray accidentally administered too much propofol, a surgical anesthetic, to help Michael sleep. Dr. Murray got four years prison for involuntary homicide. Ironic.

@tauraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Месяц назад

I really love these types of videos, speaking out about todays mainstream media, its really good for us younger folk to see the Christian side of these issues.

@5050TM Месяц назад

You are good at giving people grace while still sternly speaking against what they are doing wrong.

@histamiiini Месяц назад

That’s right, good point!

@johnnyblue4799 Месяц назад

8:25 the "Snake Oil" bottle on Tucker's table... priceless! :)))

@angelachiorean5151 Месяц назад

Doamne Miluieste-ne!

@ItsWorkingTogetherForMyGood Месяц назад

With the way the world is now, who would want to stay here forever ♾️ I'm so glad that Jesus promised to prepare a place for us and come back to receive us to Himself. This is so much better imo.

@OrthoLady Месяц назад

Ironic that the quest to never die leads one to stop actually living life.

@lynnyarnold4422 Месяц назад

Thank the Lord, HE has paid my price. Forever.

@matina_angel 23 дня назад

Hello from Orthodox Greece!

@CrossM7 Месяц назад

After listening to the audio book about St. Joseph the Hesychast, these ideas sound like an abysmal misery. Lord have mercy on us ☦

@AnnaAnnieAnneofGreenGables Месяц назад

An obsession is an obsession

@arttorrez5548 Месяц назад

If you die before your death, Then you will not die when your dead. Amen. 🙏🙏🙏

@mickdomingo7276 Месяц назад

Why would anyone want to live forever in this fallen place? I can only think that if you have enough wealth to engage in all the material pleasure you desire then you will fall into the trap of never wanting it to end. Life becomes just one big physical pleasure experience.

@angelachiorean5151 Месяц назад

❤I love all your posts

@danglingondivineladders3994 Месяц назад

God bless

@markmarkmark87 Месяц назад

God bless thank you for your message!

@redkat5778 Месяц назад

What happens when he gets hit by a bus??????

@Arkoudeides. 20 дней назад

Probably dies

@stvn0378 Месяц назад

Very aptly stated! Thanks for sharing!

@LenaKpop-zo9od Месяц назад

Fantastic video / channel - thank you very much!

@jakemarfoglia Месяц назад

Great video as always Father Trenham!

@gabrielaburton-rodriguez5140 Месяц назад

So glad you are covering this topic father! I have felt like that guys whole’s motivation and lifestyle is so odd and anti-Christian at its essence. It’s nice to know for certain that those instincts were correct. Your blessing! Blessed Lent everyone. Good strength!

@user-ep5id4zj8s Месяц назад

Hallelujah! Glory be to God!

@velvetindigonight Месяц назад

Thank you I appreciate your reflections.

@maurekj Месяц назад

Life is a gift from god. He spend it and he take ist. Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy! Thank you, father! 🙏

@danateri1756 Месяц назад

Multumim mult

@sorinalexandruhorlea Месяц назад

God bless you dearest father! Your words are from the Lord. I feel that. Thank you!

@mzungumzungu336 Месяц назад

Proud BJ. So prideful.

@meronaberraabebe9615 Месяц назад

ቃለ ሂወት ያሰማልን! May you hear the word of life!

@justinian420 Месяц назад

Interesting topic, Fr. Enjoy your thoughts on it, as someone who is maybe too into health and fitness, good for me to hear.

@ffs6158 Месяц назад

If all you're eating is cruciferous veg and lentils, no wife will want to share a bed with you let alone cook for you.

@EffiePantelidis Месяц назад

😂😂

@j_shelby_damnwird Месяц назад

💨💨💨💨

@orion9k Месяц назад

I eat the same 3 meals every day, would I ever find a wife, her role cooking will be easy because I try to keep things simple.

@ng220 Месяц назад

The thought that he could die "accidentally" upon God's command, obviously hasn't crossed his mind. God is in control. If He grants him a long life, it's only because of His uncontroversial and patience.

@jimvermeer9451 Месяц назад

God gave the gift of aging, the worldly minded are fearing it. And so Fear does not from God. Pray for this fallen world and may God have mercy on us ❤

@mariavlahochristos7756 Месяц назад

Lord Have Mercy on him

@WORKOUTSOLUTIONS Месяц назад

Matthew 10:39 = He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it. ❤🕊⛪🙏☦

@JasonKnight491 Месяц назад

God help him if he ever succeeds. If God removes his ability to die, being trapped on Earth for eternity would be hell.

@blaze-uz6or Месяц назад

Thank you for covering this subject. You should take care of yourself. But not one person will cheat death.

@dido2881 Месяц назад

I believe this kind of materialists should never considered intelligent let alone useful. Just human gadgets.

@Cormac2023 Месяц назад

Hi Josiah! I'm 62, and my motivation for staying healthy is that my father died at 74 and my mother died at 77. Their deaths could have been avoided had they been good stewards over their bodies. My mother was overly indulgent; fast food & junk food were her vices, and so was negativity. She was an Atheist. My father was very healthy until he retired and started hanging out with my mother at her favorite fast food places and donut houses. His health went quickly, and he died 6 years before my mother. I have had my own issues, which after having watched my father die, I made an oath to be a good steward over my health, for the sake of my children & grandchildren. So, I discipline myself, but not like Brian Johnson, who doesn't impress me in the least. I watch some of his videos, and his money has corrupted his mind. He doesn't look very healthy to me. When I was his age, I had already been disciplining myself. My diet was half American: anything beef, some pork, some chicken, some duck, some venison, even bison. I eat red potatoes, asparagus, brussel sprouts, green beans, carrots, bell peppers, onions & green onions, cilantro, tomatoes, alfalfa sprouts, romane lettuce. I'm picky about breads; none of those cheap sandwich breads. I have fried eggs on steamed rice & soy sauce (sparingly), sometimes bacon, and toast with butter. I did go through a period in which I was eating too much cheese, but I backed off of that. Pasta actually makes me feel good. The other half of my diet is Vietnamese cuisine, which is MY version of health food. I stay active, stay competitive with guys younger than half my age. That keeps me moving fast, and that keeps you healthy. Sorry, I'm talking too much, but I have to say, the first video of yours I watched, I liked what you had to say. So it was with the second, third, forth, fifth and sixth as well. So far, it seems you and I have the same worldview. I was even considering moving back to California, and to Southern Cal, to fellowship in your church. And I never liked anything south of Sacramento. But, I am Orthodox in my Biblical views. Anyway, time to run.

@JesusisTheWay70x7 Месяц назад

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” “For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.” “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

@user-mz6ly1fj3z Месяц назад

Funny how athiests always demand "evidence." You can present them with all the evidence they can stand, and they still will deny God in the face of evidence, just as facts don't matter to a lot of people, and thats a sad truth. Jesus knew when He raised Lazarus that people who didn't believe were choosing not to believe, and that even if they saw it with their own eyes, they still wouldn't believe it.

@adelinacod5683 Месяц назад

Amin 💖

@bradspitt3896 Месяц назад

As someone who eats the same breakfast everyday (3 eggs with bacon) this guy sounds alright. **Obvious sarcasm**

@j_shelby_damnwird Месяц назад

Wakey wakey, eggs and bakey 😛

@j_shelby_damnwird Месяц назад

Thanks be to You, Lord, for everything! Glory be to You for creating me in Your image and likeness. Thanks be to You who redeemed me, the fallen one. Thank You Lord for taking care of me, unworthy. Thank You Lord for calling me, who had sinned, to repentance. Glory to You Lord for giving me Your Holy Word, like a lamp shining in a dark place, and thus guiding me on the true path. Thank You Lord for enlightening the eyes of my heart. Glory to You Lord for making me know Your holy Name. Thank You Lord, that in the bath of Baptism You washed away my sins. Thank you Lord for showing me the way to eternal bliss. The way is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who says of Himself: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life". Glory be to You for not destroying me by sinning, and in Your infinite condescension You forgave my sins. Thank You Lord for showing me the beauty and vanity of this world. Thank You Lord for helping me in various temptations and saving me from death. Thank You my God for protecting me from the enemy, the devil. Thank You my God, who lifted me up when I was fallen. Thank You Lord for comforting me when I was sad. Thank You Lord for converting me, who was led astray. Thank You Lord for Your fatherly chastisement. Thank You my God for announcing Your terrible judgment, so that I fear it and repent of my sins. Thank You Lord for telling me about eternal torment and eternal bliss, to avoid torment and seek bliss. Thank You Lord that You gave me, unworthy, food to strengthen my weak body; that You gave me clothes to cover my naked body; You gave me a house in which I found peace. Glory be to You Lord for all Your other blessings for my preservation and comfort. How many blessings I have received from You, my Lord and my God, how many times I have sighed. Praise God for everything! St. Tikhon of Zadonsk ☦️

@aplo.life22 Месяц назад

Wish I could fast like him for lent.

@CrystalSMUA Месяц назад

Discipline😂

@andrewwebb2257 Месяц назад

Amen!

@mikeishere123 Месяц назад

Took one good guess how the military and these wealthy tech ppl do their R&D. If you guessed that they test all this crap on innocent children, then you are very much on point. #makemillstonesgreatagain

@mariadiantherese9663 Месяц назад

Pitiful to be so terrified of the inevitable. Glory to Jesus Christ forever.

@epoch9813 Месяц назад

At least they want to live longer, thus giving them time for a potential turn around and repentance, unlike people who who take their own lives under despondency. 🎉

@BetterCallSauS Месяц назад

Who would want to live in this fallen world forever?

@a.n.c.australia Месяц назад

How could I have not spotted Carlson the minute I heard him talk?? :))

@CJBradley Месяц назад

God is the only answer to understanding.

@cataclem28 Месяц назад

As i recall i read somewhere that Johnson periodically change his blood with some of his son...a sort of vampirism

@fatjohnnydepp Месяц назад

Father. I’m ready to submit myself body and spirit to the Orthodox church. I currently live in Milwaukee, but I don’t know which church to approach. If you have time can you please help guide me?

@BlackHermit Месяц назад

Death cannot be cheated, but humans can!

@TuoviSjolund Месяц назад

Halleluja

@Teodor974 Месяц назад

Mr Tucker looks younger than Brian.

@huypham-wy2pn Месяц назад

The wages of sins is death ☠️ it's so true when you remember that jesus is the only sinless, holy man on earth ❤🙏 It's good that we have more Christianity channels on youtube. We can broaden our knowledge and strengthen our faith ❤

@kaladenn6868 Месяц назад

Amun Ra

@vsevolodtokarev Месяц назад

2:05 "the chair of the Methuselah foundation". Methushael foundation would be a more fitting name; those Cainites were so inventive.

@cernoros Месяц назад

John 14:1-4: "Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going."

@anthonym.7653 Месяц назад

Spoiler alert...he will not cheat physical death.

@antonioj.castaneda7377 Месяц назад

😂

@TheShadowForgeStudio Месяц назад

3:00 St. Paisius Velichkovsky stayed that even if we live for a thousand years partaking uninterrupted of earthly pleasures with hardship, even with that when death comes it will still not seem to be enough. It will all seem like smoke and ash in the distant past. (I believe it was in Lilies of the Field he says this).

@eddardgreybeard Месяц назад

There is virtue in solubrous living but I do believe Brian Johnson does push it with blood transfusions and the like.

@AnnaAnnieAnneofGreenGables Месяц назад

If i don't feel comfortable eating pizza around you, you're not a pleasant man.

@gavrilogligoric280 Месяц назад

His worldview is harmless unless from kale such fanatics switch to sacrificing something else…

@gemschaeffer7291 Месяц назад

All we need is Jesus this is the solution to everything..Amen

@evkoum Месяц назад

The person complements madona's moral answer.

@jfschmidt84 Месяц назад

As a Christian I am content to live but willing to die.

@eldermillennial8330 Месяц назад

I would not at all be opposed to extending life for the purpose of increasing our chances of theosis, which is really the only good reason to do so.

@yankaufmann9715 Месяц назад

Lord Jesus Christ, the way, the truth, the life, please reveal yourselve to all those who doubt. Open the eyes of our heart, we poor sinners. Give us to have communion and union with you and with the Holly Trinity. Union with you and the Holly Trinity is everlasting life already started on earth. Please bless all those who reject you and your church. Give them to repent. Holly Virgin Mary please pray for this man who fears death and who doesn't find faith. Without faith peace of Christ is not possible. Please Holly Mary pray for him. Amen

@AMRALBAITI Месяц назад

This episode offers a wealth of valuable insights, and I deeply appreciate the father’s perspective on the matter. However, I would like to respectfully offer an alternative viewpoint. While father Josiah’s analysis offers valuable insights from a Christian perspective, i believe he missed to recognize the distinction between biological mortality and spiritual transcendence. Viewing Brian Johnson's quest to extend biological life through the lens of conquering spiritual death is like mistaking a flashlight for the sunrise: both shed light, but only one illuminates the vast expanse of dawn's horizon. Glory to Jesus our living king .

@peterstanev7877 Месяц назад

Dear Lord please preserve me from being this self absorbed, lustful and sinful man. I have elements of these in me, please Lord suppress and remove them.

@alexphlegm1963 Месяц назад

I think this mentality is better described as trying to cheat God of judgement instead of cheating death

@criticalthinkingisessentia2402 Месяц назад

Lord have mercy on these humans who have such distorted world views 🙏🏼.

@bluelightmoon777 Месяц назад

Who would want to stay on this crazy earth when there is your Lord waiting for you in heaven 🤨

@On-The-Way78 Месяц назад

It's prideful , arrogant and foolish to even consider being able to cheat death. In much the same way it's foolish to believe cause and effect can be cheated. The hubris these people will face will be enormous. Jesus of Nazareth is the Truth, the way and the life. And in him i place my trust and life.