Chet Hardin "The Fall of NXIVM" 

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People actually believed he was the world's smartest man. This part astounded me!!!!

"...world's smartest and most ethical man is......Keith Raniere! Who else?

The HUBRIS of these people. Nancy got off easy

That's a lot of volleyball games.

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a year for every million that the Seagram's chick gave him

You could say that about anyone who is in organized religion.

The thing is that I think it is normal to look outside, to question our purpose - this is why philosophy was created. I have not gone through what NXIVM taught but my feeling is nothing was new just new to the followers.

@@julieh.9826 You could say that about ANYONE. Whether its religion or something else, EVERYONE looks to some ideology or object outside of themselves to build a value system. Even atheists have a creed.

@@jpp2377 Anything that's meaningful or sustainable must come from inside of us.

@@julieh.9826 I was talking about what we call new age .where people find themselves acting and doing things that would be out of character.

and narcissists

Yep, abusive relationships.

Yes... narcissists love bomb you into a stupor. Great posts!

​@jf2176and lots of churches that are not cults.

US military

They were victims too.

They had responsibilities as parents

@@annmarie2964 totally agree. No excuse for a parent. U don’t give your children up for fucking nothing. I’ll never agree with your statement. Weak ass parents.

Bingo...but it would be nice to leave 'dwarf' out of it. Yeah, yeah... old trope, but a bestie is one and talks about how it's a legit description, but used as pejorative. Thanks.

It's always men, right? You've been abused domestically as well?

Absolutely very similar to domestic abuse.

Narcissism

If you can understand domestic violence you can understand cult leaders and their followers; they're almost one in the same. It's the long con, the frog in the pot. The best defense is a strong sense of self, self-awareness and understanding your vulnerabilities.

Ofc

I agree if someone criticizes me or I take it that way I'm gun a go on a defensive. Just drop a little info once in awhile and hope for the best. I was caught up in rush talk radio until early 2000s. Republicans won Prez and house and senate. Nothing changed. That was when I began to be enlightened.

Yeah… ALMOST half the country is in the Trump cult

Of course you wouldn't listen. It would mean you would have to question your reality; what you've come to know what is real. It's like knowing the sky is blue, but people are telling you it's purple. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. The best thing a person can do is to be aware of their vulnerabilities and protect them, because we all know how the saying goes, "That's how they getcha" .

I can confirm we are ready to hike at any given moment

They were all bused in from Brooklyn. The ones who couldn't afford bus fare did a kind of a caravan thing up Route 9 on their fixie bicycles. No, really.

Shrouded In nda paper trail

We are still waiting on her sentencing. The pandemic has slowed down everything.

Agree!!!!

@@joedice2018 nda's are invalid, null and void when it comes to crime.

She more than likely slept with him at some point. That's the only way he could get her to do everything she every did for him, including handing her daughter over to Keith.

Cults and fanaticism pre-date Hollywood. Everything isn't about Hollywood.

I think you make a valid point up until you mention Hollywood. Of the thousands of films Hollywood has made I can only really think of The Matrix series as lining up with The One theory. If anything, organised religion is the obvious forerunner/ precurser.

These are called pendulums in Transurfing Reality

On some level, I'm glad he was working independently because much like scientology, some of these cults have members who have a lot of pull in media. It would be much easier for them to kill the story if his paycheck was coming from supporters of the cult.

Rubbish

Go for it

@@quintuplebanned4267 Thanks I really appreciate it, here is a woman who was a coach and who left nxivm and curiously they want to be governor of those who are from Monterrey Mexico hahaha

Quien es?

Mexican, learn English as the whole world does.

@@rmcd823 wtf

What’d u witness?

Boats. Scientology has boats.

Tom Cruise in the closet

Only the names and age, otherwise a cult is a cult and they all behave exactly the same - you can call it abuse, or being assholes, or psychopathics, or bullying, or shaming, it's all the same behaviour and intent.

@@jeanieq6153 Well with the Queen of Evil at the helm of the Church of England, that pretty much trumps one or two wee ships! Don't even get me started on the Pimp of a Pope and the kissing of the ring thing!

At the core nothing. Except Scientology has more money and bigger celebrities. I can’t wait until they go down.

Hippy women and women without children “don’t care” about money. Only once they realize their life is garbage and the people around them suck do they wake up. Usually by that time they have a few kids and need to look for a man who actually has money so she tries to get with him, so he can pay for her terrible/ retarded choices and illegitimate kids.

Please link me

@@govindkrishnan6839 Hi Govind. I listened to the podcast on Spotify, but it is called Uncover: Escaping NXIVM.

Absolutely trouble is it’s pretty horrifying ! CBC podcast uncover ! Sentencing 27 October not long now ??? Unless it’s rearranged again ?

The Clinton's, Huma and her hubby, Anthony...the Seagram's sisters, the Bronfman funded a lot of it..this was another trafficking cult these people are involved in.

HBO has a documentary "The Vow". Crazy organization.

@@IAmWithinEverything Your argument would have validity except for the FACT that NXIVM has a media arm called "The Knife", which had the sole purpose of protecting and promoting Trump.

Forgive my ignorance. Who is Kristen Snyder? Tyia

@@ajordan1976 she was a woman from Alaska who joined the class with her lesbian partner. Reniere did not support lesbians and must have forced this woman to have sex with him many times and this woman got pregnant. During the seminar she made such statements and they kicked her out the ESP and it’s alleged she committed suicide. Her body has never been found. She left a suicide note and writing experts stated it doesn’t look like her writing.

Yes, I agree. The media have nobody to blame for their fall but themselves. It’s sad because there are still some good journalists out there but so many, especially in the mainstream, have lost their damn minds. They’re activists.

It's because the media answers to their advertisers and to their owners.

Yes.

"heirs"

Yes

This is how he got himself the money to grow

Meaning Epsteins Epsteins money . The entire situation is not okay. Obviously lol

You think they are hiding?

"Seduced" it's, well..........words fail me, but if you're obsessed, you'll appreciate it.

Very amusing

Is the version depicted in the documentary different? Personally, I think she barely deserved that. We're talking about what seems like his first victim. She's mangled from this. It seems like the 3.5 years is primarily for her professional negligence and allowing this to happen. I mean, as a medical professional, she not only has to live with this being her life's work and her daughter was one of KR's most long-standing, abused victim. Imagine bringing your own daughters into this. Crazy. From what I can tell, there was an active approach to try and hide the criminal activities from Nancy.

Ulcers yes

Immune and complicit

You're comparing Oprah to Raniere? You're just another nut job.

Oprah appears to have had not to do with them.

We hv u a try

Wait what? Newspaper? The knife? Where can I see this?

@@skyDN1974 You never used a search engine before?

@@TokyoShemp no what’s that

@@TokyoShemp haha but for real that’s crazy

ITS SCARY HOW THESE PPL THINK THEY CAN MANIPULATE REPORTERS INTO STAYING SILENT CULTS AND SCIENTOLOGY ETC SHOULD BE BANNED AS I DONT SEE DIFF BETWEEN SCIENTOLOGY AND THE MAFIA ID SAY BOTH CRIMINAL ORGANISATIONS WHO GO TOO FAR WITH THREATS ETC AND A DANGER TO PUBLIC THEY PREY ON THE WEAK OR MENTALLY ILL AS WHO ELSE WOULD LET THERESELFS BE BRANDED AND PAY LARGE AMOUNTS CASH TO JOIN CULT UD NEED TO BE FEW SANDWICHES SHORT OF A PICNIC TO BEGIN LIKE MAFIA YOU CAN ONLY JOIN IF KILLED SOMEONE FOR FAMILY OR BIG EARNER THIS CULT WANTS THE CASH WONDER HOW MANY VULNERABLE PPL HAVE BEEN KILLED BY CULTS TO SILENCE OR KILLED SELFS AS PERSECUTED BY CULTS OR SCIENTOLOGISTS AS WHAT THEY DO TO EX MEMBERS IS TERRIBLE OUTSIDE PPLS HOUSES THROWING ABUSE MORNING NOON AND NIGHT TERRORISING AND POLICE DO NOTHING SLANDER IN PAPERS AS THEYVE MORE MONEY THAN YOU

It doesn't at all

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Do tell more?

@@lpslancelot05 BradBlog and Larisa Alexandrovna of Raw Story were peddling hoaxes centered around election fraud. I became a "player" as a blogger by confronting their nonsense which included the claim Kimberlin was exonerated for the Speedway bombings. There was stuff called Weinergate and SWATgate. It was a cointelpro styled alternate reality game based off of manufactured hostilities between Daily Kos and Breitbart milieus. There was something called Project Vigilant starring Chet Uber. I'm talking Adrian Lamo territory and people he associated with. FBI informant Brandon Darby got involved. There might be weird stuff still going on, but I moved on since about 2013. It was big time meta back in the day. Barrett Brown was targeted by the same people. He seems to have been flipped into an informant.

@@TokyoShemp crazy stuff.

Are you Patterico?

I like some of Jimmy's reporting - I just wish he wasn't so smug sometimes, makes it harder to watch than he should be.

Jimmy Dore is a nut. He use to be good but increased popularity destroyed him. I think he is looking for $$$ i don't trust his judgment anymore. Honestly I think he's been bought off by people and he's very disingenuous

*Imperial and *petty

Nazi cult bs - Raniere was actually super into Nazi crap (as in he believed many of his women were/are literally reincarnated major nazi figures like Heydrich). I strongly suspect that’s where the cultish suicide bs comes in as many Nazis, including Hitler himself, suicided in 1945 as they realized the end was coming. It was also a twisted way of showing “loyalty” to the Leader (see the Goebbels family).

@@AleisterCrowleyMagus The Nazi had the same attitude and beliefs as the Romans, especially in the dynasty era, circa Julius to Nero.

Those who really have it don't have to tell you they have it.

His evil powers seem to work best on women. I am curious how he'd get on in an all male environment like jail. Not well, I'm hoping.

He'll probably start another cult that will make money in there.

@@akbarlebowitz8151 yeap. He’ll school dudes on how to get that woman in line and have her on her knees. See how easy that spin was! 😂 I mean, dudes are probably going to want to know how he conned all those rich bitches! 😂 I need to stop because I can see dudes trading commissary fr some tricks from a real master. The dude isn’t even remotely attractive or any type of physical specimen of a man like some of those dudes that workout all day in prison. Yeah, Keith Will probably do rather well with men. Especially dudes in prison. He’ll piss off some, but the ones down for the lessons will keep the others off of him. I really got to stop because I’m experiencing it play out in my head!

Batman! I mean, Leader!

I know, huh?...sad and crazy.

Nothing, just Roman numerals that Raniere thought looked cool.

They're also refered to as Lgat or large group awareness training

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Just hearing about it now

I was thinking the exact same thing!

You misspelled Clinton

Hubbard * too

David Koresh, Jim Jones, Brigham Young, Charles Manson, lots of Christian pastors

Poor man's scientology lol

@@d3l3tes00n GOOD ONE😆😁

All cults use the same process.

I think it was some kind of veiled threat? A confusing one if it is

It's funny because it's so ridiculous. Hitler says "no more Mr. Nice Guy" -- as if he were ever nice! I laughed out loud.....