Which naturally aspirated, track-ready muscle car is better to drive? Couldn't have asked for more closely matched competitors in my first ever muscle car comparo! / zygrene
As a mach1 HP owner I can say that I really appreciate this review. The most apples to apples comparison I've seen. Btw I've always thought that 1 and 2ss 1le cars were also awesome cars. Camaro and Mustang truly need each other for us the consumer to have the best version of our cars
You couldn't be more correct! I had a 2011 Nismo 370Z and when I got my 2015 1LE I couldn't believe how much better it handled and was so much more predictable and harder to get yourself in trouble. Put 40k miles on both, in fact I don't think I ever got real out of balance in the Camaro. Now I'm looking at a Mach 1 or some type of 1LE as long as it has the Tremec 6mt!!!!
@@kevinadams7170 The mach 1 has a junk Tremec.. Watch what you read.. Ford really skimped out on that transmission.. Its NOT a T56/TR6060 like the Camaro, GT500 & Viper.. Its is a Tremec 3650.. same as the V6 camaro, and several other underwealming cars.. The Mach 1 manual is not even close to on par with the Camaro 1le.. Unless you want a garbage clutch and locked out of gears above 6500rpm don't buy a manual Mach 1..
@@Clutch_Kick187 I was not aware of the difference, I knew the TR6060 is what I had and that it was used in the cars you mentioned. But, I just assumed it was a newer version. Thanks for the info, I'll research it. It's a shame Ford cheaps out like that. I think all 2010 and newer camaro V8 manuals had a TR6060 even a base 1ss for $32K.
I bought a 2SS 1LE last month. I considered the Mach-1, GT PP1, Supra 3.0 and Nissan Z. To me, the SS 1LE offers by far the best performance for the money in the new car market. I came from a Focus RS so I naturally wanted to stay with Ford, but I just couldn’t justify the additional cost of the Mach-1 vs the 1LE. With the performance options I wanted on the Mach-1, I was well over $65K. The Mustang is minimally $10K too expensive compared to the Camaro.
I bought a Mustang GT PP1 manual in 2020 and added a Vortech supercharger for a total build cost of 60K and got 600 WHP and 500 ft. pds. torque on 91 gas.
@@maxwellsmart8730 sounds cool. It’s not what I was looking for though as I’m not really chasing big power- I just wanted a low-12 second car with the best handling possible for under $50K. No doubt the Mustang is a better daily driver, but I have another car to fill that role. My benchmark for power was basically matching or beating my old C5Z in acceleration. I thought the Focus RS I bought new back in 2017 would be close enough…it wasn’t. It just wasn’t a special enough car to be a weekend toy for me. It would be a fun daily driver, but I already have another car filling that role so I sold it. Not to mention if you want to get a halfway decent launch in the RS you had to beat the hell out of it, and that’s just not my style. So I guess in reality the 5-100 mph time is the key acceleration stat for me.
@@GrimSRT8 i just recently bought a GT with PP-1 and i regularly take it up to the mountains for spirited drives. I think this car is almost perfect except for one HUGE flaw, the MT82 manual trans. About 30% of the time i shift into 3rd while high in the rpms, it will not go in to the right gear or it will lock you out. Makes driving it hard scary and not enjoyable. Because of this im definitely considering trading it in for a SS1LE.
@@victorvaldovinos3475 yeah, I was really worried about going with a Getrag in the Mustang PP1. I figured if I went with the GT, I’d go with the A10. It’s why I was seriously considering the Mach-1, but I just couldn’t get past how expensive the Mach-1 got with the performance options. In the end I got the Camaro 2SS 1LE w/Tremec TR6060 6-speed and the PDR. I don’t know why Ford doesn’t charge slightly more and offer a Tremec in all of the GTs like Chevy does with the Camaro. I’m sure most people would be happy to pay $500 more, or whatever the cost is, to get the Tremec they put in the GT350 and Mach-1. Or maybe Ford wants to force manual fanatics into buying the Mach-1? I don’t really get it. 🤷♂️
@@GrimSRT8 I have a 2021 SS 1le with 20k and now my gear box is making a clicking noise when I shift and it's really notchy going from 1st to 2nd. Something is not right and man is it frustrating.
I agree with your assessment on both these cars! I have had the privilege of owning a GT350 for two years with 5 track days, and been in a few SS1LE and ZL1 1LE on the track to compare. I have to say that the Camaro's chassis is just on another level of sophistication. Its downside is truly the engine, not in terms of capability but in terms of lacking emotion and reward for revving it out. The voodoo engine on the other hand completely makes the car. The violent sound and vibrations it makes all the way to red line really rewards the driver for pushing the car.
I have a GT350 as well. While there's not much torque down low, when you do get a chance to wined it out, it is super exhilarating. The progressive pull never stops. I've driven cars with more low-end torque, and while they are punchy and fun at take off, they tend to flatten out up top, and it is more difficult to put the power down. The GT350 just grips and rips and pulls to the redline.
Gotta agree, I’ve owned a 2014 5.0 and a 2012 boss 302. My 2017 2SS manual is a hell of a Machine, chassis and transmission are in a league of their own. But the engine just lacks the personality and drama a coyote has. It has power and sounds good, but its powerband is too linear and dies off too quick. If you could stick a coyote in this thing it would be the perfect car
@@GODEYE270115 LT1 makes more HP/TQ over a wider rpm range (~1k to 5.6k) than the vooblew... so how is that "dying off too quick" exactly? Agree with your chassis and trans comments Alpha is in a different league than mustnag and gt350 cars.
I agree 100%. I have a 2022 2SS 1LE that I daily and it's awesome. I went to the Ford dealership and they were hesitating to take my order, they wanted me to buy a GT they had on it's way. I didn't want a GT, so I went to a chevy dealership and ordered my 1LE.
An honest assessment. I appreciate that. The MACH 1 put down a better lap time than even the mighty GT350R on C and D’s lightning lap and it was 3 seconds quicker than the Camaro. 3 seconds on a track is an eternity BTW… being the fastest track car and far more liveability as a daily driver. The MACH 1 is the discerners choice here
I don't buy the lightning lap from c and d. I think there was other conditions that contributed to that but the fact that the mach 1 only got some stuff from the 350r and is down on power yet puts down faster track times.
Weather, tires, road conditions plays a huge role on c&d lap times. There is no way a heavier underpowered Mach 1 putting down better times than its donor GT350R. Forget about a GT350R, we did not even see a Camaro ss 1le with the same tire same day comparison, and there is a huge reason for that. Randy Pobst tested one with bad brakes and the cars were way too close to each other. A GT350R murders both the Camaro ss 1le and the Mach 1.
@@vbadbee9123 I can't help but wonder if it was really a stock car and not modded by ford. Faster than GT350R at VIR with less power and more engine and wheel reciprocating weight? Not buying it either.
@@Bens1LEI'm with you man. Camaro is better looking IMO, and I'm not a professional race car driver. I picked my 21' SS1 1LE Used with less than 3500 Miles for less than 45K, got a smoking good deal. I drove a couple of GT's which probably pull harder at redline but I couldn't abuse them in the test drive. The Chevy 6.2 feels like an old school muscle at low RPMs and I fell in love with the drive from the beginning. I never drove a Mach 1, but the used GT's cost more than my Camaro, so I made my decision, then I hunted down my car and drove 800 miles to pick it up. Both cars for the money are freaking outstanding, but I didn't expect to get so much car for the money. SS Camaros are the best for the money IMO. Used ones were thousands less than the more popular mustangs but they are so close it's a coin flip, laters buddy
Definitely the Camaro 1LE is best bang for the buck. I have a 2018 2SS 1LE manual and it’s such a joy to drive on curvy roads. Handles like a dream. Competes with cars that cost 3 times as much on road course tracks
Just sold my SS 1LE and reviews like this make me seriously regret it. It could handle anything I threw at it. Even at the track the brakes never showed sign of fade and the engine temps were never a concern. I may have made a mistake...
@@ktownogg that's awesome. I've heard that with a tune and basic boltons those can get well into the 600 horsepower range. They're also easily the best sounding current production V6 out there.
Don't regret it! It's awesome you have the GIulia and get to try something new. If you're still thinking about the Camaro that's just a sign to buy another one at some point!
Don't regret it, I sold my 1LE and made $$$. Bought a Giulia Ti Q4 as a daily and the extra cash is all being invested. Like others said try other cars and if you don't like any just get another 1le
It wouldn't matter though anyway with the new electric shit that's being implemented in the coming years AND surprisingly the cameeo sold worse than the mustang and dodges smh
I agree with a lot of your points. I’ve owned an SS 1LE, GT350, and ZL1. I’ve driven a Mach 1 too. The SS 1LE is the best value. It’s much cheaper than a Mach 1. I do love the characteristics of the coyote more. The Mach 1 will tramline a lot for a daily. The aftermarket can fox that. The ZL1 is a lot of car to handle unless you have a large track to drive it on. I had more fun in my SS 1LE
SS 1LE is not only the "best value" it is also as fast or faster than gt350 and gt350 r at tracks that don't have very long straights. Where the ~70HP advantage can be exploited. As for mach1 issues and having to go to the aftermarket to address them... this is exactly why I moved to GM for my performance/track cars. No need to correct engineering issues that ford didn't think were an issue for the majority of buyers. That and the GM track warranty... don't market your car as track ready if you aren't willing to offer a track warranty... looking at you frod.
Mach 1 hands down for me..... I'm a street guy, not a track guy, and all about driving daily, and there is just something about that Coyote motor that is like magic!!!
Thank you for the comparison. Awesome job. Just bought my 2023 Mach1 in evolution Green with handling package. Such a beautiful driving car. Turns peoples heads like crazy. Sound is amazing and definitely puts you back!
I have a GT350, and when you were commenting on the Mach 1's higher revving power band, that's what the GT350 experience is all about and then some. While there's not much torque down low, when you do get a chance to wined it out, it is super exhilarating. I've driven cars with more low-end torque, and while they are punchy and fun at take off, they tend to flatten out up top, and it is more difficult to put the power down. The GT350 just grips and rips, and it keeps pulling harder and harder -- all the way to redline.
@@jmmch3358Yeah, they are pretty lame down low, that's for sure. I live out in the "country." When I go into a city, with narrow roads, cars parked along side the roads, etc. and every is close to you as your drive, it actually makes it feel faster down low (the perception of passing things that are close to you). That said, it feels really lame down low when I'm not in the city. The wide open roads, everything set farther away, gives you a slower perspective of speed. Anyway, yeah, the lack of low end torque has always been my biggest issue with these things.
I am the current owner of a 21’ GT Premium PP1 with the 6 speed, my 4th FIVE OH and 2nd S550 MK 2. I also owned an 18’ SS 1LE. And an 07’ C6Z in Lemans Blue to demonstrate I am not a FORD Fanboy as I’ve owned two GM performance cars and my wife currently drives a 21’ Tahoe, 1 st year of the redesign. So my FORD/GM buys are almost identical in QTY. I really appreciate your assessment. You were more honest than the majority of YT Car reviewers when comparing the SS 1LE to any FIVE OH really… all media crowned the SS champ long ago and like sheep, they all pick the SS over the 5.0 each and every time, just like sheep. This MACH 1 has objectively caught up and even surpassed the SS in many facets. And yes, the MACH 1 was faster than the SS 1LE at VIR for the. C and D Lightning also by a whopping 3 seconds. It also beat the GT350R by 1/2 second and the Mustang PP2 by 2 seconds. That’s 1,2,3 mustangs ahead of the SS. 4 if you count the GT500 but that’s not fair. This MACH 1 deserves love by the media. It’s a phenomenal car and it’s proven to be faster on track than the SS in many examples. Thanks for your unwillingness to fall at the fee of the SS and keeping sn open mind and giving the Mach 1 its due, even if you picked the SS for your track car:..
Awesome review. I always preferred the camaro chassis over the mustang. Hence why I own a ss1le. 3 years and it’s still one of the best cars I’ve ever driven. Never had an issue with it.
Bang for you buck the SS 1le is unbeatable. However, the sound of the 5.0 is just perfect… you also need to keep the sport cup 2’s on the Mach 1, handles amazing on dry surfaces and proper temps.
Great comparison. You came to a lot of the same conclusions that I did when I considered trading my 2017 Camaro 2SS for the Mach 1. I spent a little money and added all the factory 1LE suspension, wheels and tires to my 2SS and it is a very capable car and more than any sane person would need on a twisty road. To me the Mach 1 was just too soft, every input was met with a delay then the car would respond. Turn the wheel and wait, hit the brakes and wait and the most annoying part was the way the Coyote makes power. Stab the throttle and guess what..... WAIT!! I'm just accustomed to the way the Camaro hits you with the torque down low. It's more fun to drive and a whole lot easier to throw around. I can always tell someone that doesn't own a Camaro as their firs comment is about the visibility. Cracks me up every time I hear it. When I bought my car back in 2017 I was ready for this horrific visibility and not being able to see anything. The moment I sat in the car i started wondering what everyone was referring to as I don't feel that way at all. By the time I made it back to the highway after picking my car up I was completely comfortable in it and have no issues driving it in traffic around town and on the highway.
You must have a third eye or something then, because the very first thing I noticed when test driving a Camaro was the complete dog shit visibility. It’s terrible. The rest of the car is great.
@@jasonlommen4769 what’s to worry about the rear visibility ..? WHO in the heal is looking out back for dogs when yer on a mission…?! This must be the reason why so many mustangs are crashing…😂 The mustang drivers are looking around for VISIBILITY !!! I’m always telling my wife ‘’drive your own car ‘’ not those nerds around ya..! 🏁🏁
I really thought my initial reaction to driving a Camaro was that the visibility wasn’t that bad. But no, I couldn’t fake it. I couldn’t see a damn thing. By the end of the test drive I was like damn I could not buy this car just based on the poor visibility. Having said that it was a very fun and competent car
I own a 2023 Chevy Camaro 1SS 1LE, and the so called visibility issue is absolute nonsense. I love the way the interior just surrounds you like you’re in a cockpit, and I feel super comfortable and confident in the car. I’ve had a lot of people agree with me in regard to the visibility. If you’ll notice, It seems that a lot of Ford fanboys are the ones making a big deal out of it. I think they’re just pissed because the 1LE Camaro is just as good if not better than their precious little Mach 1 for over $11k less! Now that’s what I call an old fashioned ass whoopin!!!
I have a 2018 1le and have absolutely no complaints about the car. It's fbo, h/c/drop ins, supporting mods, flex fuel, lth, full exhaust. It's awesome to drive.
Another super substantive and useful comparison, thanks! I have considered both of these cars, especially the 1LE for track days, but I don’t fit in either with a helmet on.
Loving the comparisons. Would love to see a manual sport sedan comparison, maybe CT4 Blackwing vs G80 M3? I feel like the CT4 would eliminate the drawbacks of the Camaro like visibility and practicality while retaining the handling characteristics
I traded my ZLE for a CT4-V BW and I have not been disappointed, and quite honestly, it’s really surprised me with how good it is. It’s comfortable, practical, and nasty when you want it to be. Just my $0.02
BUT... the CT4-BW only comes in twin turbo V6, which comes from the ATS-V before it. Not the V8 LT1. Bummer they did not put a V8 in this sedan. The CT5-BW however has the same LT4 V8 as the Camaro ZL1.
@@ssnerd583i just bought one and coming from a c7 z51 track pack with mag ride, it hangs with it, if not better. Couldnt be happier with this car and I can actually daily now instead of with the vette and it hauls the kiddo just fine! The exhaust is honestly as good as my c7s was stock too and I feel crazy saying that, defintely more gunshots and pops
We own that same Mach1 color and all and love it of course as we are a Ford family thru and thru but this review was tastefully done and fair and for once in my life made me wonder if I would love that Camaro too. ?
MT did a H2H of the 2016 Camaro SS VS the BMW M4, and the 6th gen Camaro was the winner. R&T did one of the 2019 Camaro SS1LE VS the BMW M2 Competition, and the best performer was the Camaro. GM did great with the introduction of their Alpha Chassis and lighter weight of its 6th gen Camaro.👍
I have a 2011 Mustang GT. I never tire of it after 75,000 miles. Ninety nine percent of people don't race. There's almost no place around to run it at full throttle. It's still competitive with much newer cars.
Very interesting comparison of the magnetic suspension systems! Would love to hear a comparison to the Corvette C8 magnetic suspension, as several reviewers (who aren’t given to hyperbole) say it rides as smooth as a Mercedes S class when in comfort mode.
I own a 2016 Camaro 2SS that has improved suspension, tires/wheels, brakes, and engine. I get 25MPG on the highway and 19MPG around town. On E85 it becomes more responsive. I'm 5'10" and visibility is perfectly fine. Exhaust note is the last thing I worry about.
SS for fun only for everyday mustang. I ended up with the mustang because I enjoyed it more for anything as the ss I didn't care for daily use. Both incredible and wish I could afford both.
Great comparison. Would love to see both time lapping at the track. For the money the best muscle car is the Camaro SS, just the Mustang has a much better exhaust sound.
Always Camaro in this generation. The reason is very simple because GM HAS THE ALPHA CHASSIS 2. It was far superior to Fords chassis by leaps and bounds. Fords best handling car was their GT350R and that chassis wasnt handling the Torque the Camaro puts out. Power for track can always be added in the future, BUT CAN THE ACTUAL CHASSIS HANDLE IT? Dont forget that GMs Alpha chassis is based on BMWs 3 series cars, BUT MUCH, MUCH BETTER. The Cadillac CT5 V Blackwing is literally one of the finest handling cars in the entire world for its category, and rides on that chassis as well. Ford doesn't have nothing like that. Ford WON the sales war this gen by a large margin, but they didnt have the top of the line sports car.
Love the genuine passion that you showed in the video! Driven both SS1LE and GT350R. Both are great cars but I prefer the shelby because of its personality. The SS1LE's chassis is superb superb as you said. But the car feels a bit too generic overall (interior, quality etc. Just too GM!).
I always felt the opposite here. Camaro cockpit feels like a fighter jet cock pit-very unique. The gt350 interior is like most mustangs. Not to mention the 350 engine reliability.
@@gtrance3567 the Voodoo reliability is fine, you just need to check the oil levels frequently as the car burns some oil being a race motor. I own a 350R and 21 GT500 track pack… Both engines require oil monitoring.
@@brandonanderson4117 that's all the 18 and up mustangs not just gt350. My 18 pp1 manual consumed oil badly and my 10 speed premium does too but not as bad tho. The reason being the high revving is what burns it. I think the 10 speed doesn't rev out as much cause auto shifts before on its own. Also the 3rd gem coyote is built based off of tbe 350 design and shares similarities.. the pp1 I had I didn't know it consumed as bad I burnt up4 bearings and rods lol. Scorched the crank too. I learned my lesson. Could've been alot worse tho.dohc consumes oil. After I messed up mine my buddy took his on to dealer to see sure enough his did the same. Dealership tore down motor sent it to Ford and they said it was norma lol.
Camaro all day. I also disagree about its personality for daily driving. I think they ride better and the extra torque is more fun to use in a daily. You don’t need to wind it out to have fun there is always power on tap
Both look like amazing cars. Manual gearboxes in muscle cars! The only flaw with either sounds like the steering of the Mustang which is tragic because otherwise it sounds like a perfect machine. So the Camaro for me.
I have a mach1 I went with the automatic, love the car , the Camaro love that too , just I felt the mach1 suited more of my wants & needs a little bigger a little more trunk space , but over all both cars are awesome I’m not taking anything away from ether one of the car’s beautiful cars ,, like both of them
What is your take on the tr-3160 vs the tr-6060 transmissions? I have always wondered why Ford chose the same transmission as the base Camaros for the GT350 and Mach 1 instead of what comes in the SS and ZL1.
If you put the cup2 tires back on the mach 1 and redrive it, you will definitely see and feel a huge difference, the tires your testing the car with now are to compliant. Both cars are awesome, for me though, im keeping my mach 1 HP, with the correct tires 👍👍you just have to be really careful with rain.
Great review, my Mach 1 vs the SS ILE are similar with the coolers and tremec gear boxes. Have tried both and impressive American muscle cars, but I will say what Chevy did with the Camaro is a disservice along with dodge discontinuing the challenger. But at 6’3 dude I couldn’t see anything in the Camaro.
It seems that the only way that FOMOCO was able to compete with the 6th gen Camaro was by using wider tires with stickier track compound characteristics instead of improving their Mustang's chassis. You just use those type of tires on the Camaro and it will easily be always in top. Not a big deal.😅
You forgot to add the perceived value for being "special" which is important if you are in an overpriced mustnag that is not up to the level of a stock SS 1LE Camaro. That is worth at least 10K right?
Well done video. Feels like watching just a normal guy like the rest of us giving honest impressions. Test drove both, as well as a used GT350, and bought the Mach 1 for the reasons you described - the engine and the visibility. Also agree with your thought that it felt like it was "on its tiptoes" more than the Camaro. New Ford Performance sway bars are on the way and should solve that problem!
Don't set to track mode....keep it on Sport mode. Track mode will limit power coming out of turns so it will feel odd. Use Track mode for the track and Sport mode for the street.
it's really amazing GM has been so stubborn in the visibility of the camaro, since day one of them people have been pointing out the poor visibility, they could have fixed it and made it such a better car
And people still claim it's "just a rumor" even after the majority of reviews on the car all call out the same issue. Drive both and be honest with yourself, you'll definitely see that the Camaro is much more visibility challenged than the Mustang ever has been.
I bought a new Camaro 2SS six speed standard. The engine was fine, tranny was fine. I grew to absolutely hate driving it. My head touched the head liner, the dash was to high the windshield vision was horrible, Side view horrible. It was like trying to drive in a cave. Absolutely ridiculous. I now have a S550 Mustang GT Premium six speed standard with the PP1 package. Now this is the car. Fantastic visibility, extremely comfortable. Great engine with plenty of power for the street. This is an Extremely competent and comfortable car for everyday use. I love it !!
Yeah the 1le I prefer I had an 2018 I built it with paper plates still on the car i did full bolt on's it was a true track monster as well as on the street. CHEVY POWER✊🏽.
SS 1LE is not really 3800 lbs. I track my car quite a bit and I am getting ready to run time trial. I weighed my 1SS 1LE at the scales and with a close to empty tank, with me inside the car (195lbs) the weight was 3780. So roughly 3600lbs with an empty fuel tank and no driver.
Not a true comparison but I wanted a convertible and the Mustang being designed from the jump to be a convertible made it a easy decision. When I sat in the Camero, I felt I was in a bathtub piloting a river barge.
I have been Daily driving my 17' SS Camaro non 1LE 6 speed manual since new and 60k miles. Just the SS without the 1LE is a bad ass hunkered down performance DD. I test drove the Mustang GT. Ford needs to drop the Chinese made Getrag Transmission as the Tremec 6 speed is a much superior trans.
I love both cars here. But the mach 1 seems to be more of a special car. Ford even increased the horsepower for the Mach 1, over the GT. But this Camaro has the same power rating as the SS
I’ve owned both and I think you’re right. The 1le is more of a weapon. If you’re track driving often and you’re looking to get that extra 1/10 of a second faster time. The Camaro is a good choice. But for daily driving and tracking for fun every so often you can’t go wrong with the Mustang. The gen 3 coyote is a beast and the Mustang is a great daily. Not just because of the handling and fun factor but the interior is a much better place to be. It’s also sad to see the Camaro go.
Wrong tires on the 1LE. I’ve driven an SS 1LE with the OE Goodyear SuperCar 3’s and with the Michelin 4S and the latter kills the steering feel and response.
Loved the video. I am a past owner of a 17 1le. loved the car but had a few things i disliked about the car itself. I been really into trying the new mach 1. I just been battling the $15k pricing over the camaro. Do you think the mach1 is worth the money??
I like how the camaro looks better, somehow. but compared to both, I'd take the Challenger scat pack wide body :D more daily usability, better looks, and in that purple paintjob
Did you put the Mach one in track? Or sport? You said you put it normal and the camero in track. No duh you felt a different in handling and the magna ride. I think you did that just so you could have more positive stuff to say about the black car lol
I love my 22 ss 1le.. It is so composed it is amazing.. Almost too good for backroads.. And the Trans is great, unlike that garbage v6 camaro manual that was put into the Mach 1.. The mach 1 has a junk Tremec.. Watch what you read.. Ford really skimped out on that transmission.. Its NOT a T-56/TR-6060 like the Camaro, GT500 & Viper.. Its is a Tremec 3650.. same as the V6 camaro, and several other underwealming cars.. The Mach 1 manual is not even close to on par with the Camaro 1le.. Unless you want a garbage clutch and locked out of gears above 6500rpm don't buy a manual Mach 1.. FYI.. I owned a 2017 GT350 for 7 months.. It blew up and got sold back to Ford as a Lemon..
Sometimes I think about selling my s2000 to get into the v8 world. Then I think about how much these cars weigh and wonder if they’re close to being as fun. What do you think?
I own both and the Camaro is more comfortable yet more capable, and almost as fun. The S2000 is not very practical, but it is more fun for being a convertible and more raw all around although it is not as composed, but it is more playful as a limits are more easily approached. If you are able to keep both.
Owned a fiesta ST, 2016 BRZ, and then a 19 SS 1LE Camaro is in a completely different league from the other two cars. Other than visibility spoiling some of the fun….yes you get used to it, but you’re always guessing where the car is…..the car is nearly perfect. Shifter is amazing, brakes are insanely powerful, chassis is absurdly good, the steering is very precise and direct, and the exhaust is perfection. Loud when you hammer it, zero drone. Pops and bangs are cool but too much sometimes. It rides great and is a great car to just cruise in too. However….the 1LE’s limits are stupid high to the point I found the car almost boring for canyon drives. There’s no drama, it’s just super planted and you really have to be hauling ass for it to feel lively. (Way too fast for public roads). It doesn’t lose composure over bumps and always found myself reaching my personal limit well before the actual car’s limit. It’s slightly old super car fast and composed. So if you’re someone who enjoys feeling on edge in a car, you really will need to take it to a track. It’s an amazing car and made an awesome daily driver aside from running costs. (Gas, oil, tires etc) But as a street car….I just think it’s too much. I sold mine because I couldn’t stop driving it like an asshat on the street lol. You get used to power quickly and the car hides speed. I found myself many times entering a corner thinking “this might be sketch” and the car doesn’t even flinch. Especially coming from a BRZ which was easily upset by bumps and could be twitchy on rougher roads. I thought about “downgrading” to an ND Miata after I turo’d one in Hawaii for a week and enjoyed the hell out of it. But when I test drove the ND….the Camaro just did everything as good or better. Particularly clutch feel, shifter feel, and then just plain excitement. Miata needs an exhaust and the right roads to be fun. It’ll make the S2000 feel like a toy in a lot of aspects….but I think once you get over the honeymoon phase and wow factor of the performance of the Camaro, you might miss the approachability and low speed drama of the s2000. It’ll be a hell of a lot better of a car to daily. The seats are the best I’ve sat in, insanely comfortable. You’ll just need a lot of self control to own one. 50-60mph is lively in a Fiesta or BRZ on the right road. It’s 90 in the Camaro and it doesn’t take long to reach triple digits. Grass is always greener with cars. I enjoyed the hell out of the Camaro, it was the first car that wasn’t missing something. It’s nearly perfect out of the box….But…on a good road I had the most fun in the FIST. Slow car fast>fast car slow. V8s make you never want to go back to 4 cylinders….but then you’ll also miss being able to ring a car out without worrying about jail time.
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks man I wish I could one for $40!! Inflation happened so dollars just don't go as far, still a good deal I think at $47k. Excellent chassis and driving experience with a 6th gen. Personally don't have visibility problems but I am tall enough that the sunroof is a no-go for me on the 6g
@@ramanapixelxl7572 after 18 they got ugly still same vehicle. You could've gotten a used one pre covid for low 30s easy with no miles basically. My friend payed $32k for his with 9k miles in 2019. It's not the time to buy vehicles wait until they cheap again lol
Heck I traded in my 2021 C8 Z51 for a 2022 mach 1. The C8 lacked that visceral experience compared to the mach 1. The manual trans and that 7400 red line engine is just music to the ears. The DCT trans and the 6500 red line doesn’t have that visceral experience that the mach 1 has. Plus I put $23K back in my investments. Another factor was the problem lots of C8 owners are having with the DCT trans. Plus Ford has direct injection and port injection. GM only has direst injection and future carbon build up. Most manufacturers have gone with the dual injection route. Why GM hasn’t is a concern. They seem to think that the warranty will expire before the carbon issue build up is a problem. Big mistake in my book. That C8 needs a DOHC engine that will rev to 7500. Forget that Z06 because no engine at 5.5 size will last beyond 15,000 miles of constant 8500 red line. The Ford Voodoo engine at 5.2 has vibration issues over time. Lots of replacement engines and even a class action law suit about that engine.
Now that is a big downgrade. As for your GM FPC comments you need to do more research. Ford used a different FPC layout than GM/Ferrari which inherently creates more vibrations.
For me the Camaro is ruined by the visibility. I almost bought an SS, found an amazing deal on one, and loved driving it around. But when I got back to the crowded lot at the dealership, manouvering it around felt horrible. I'm a pretty short dude, which I imagine didn't help. And since I was buying a daily, I just wasn't really willing to make that compromise. The Mustang is FAR better this way, and it was definitely on my radar, but unfortunately I could not find a nice GT for anywhere near my budget So I went for a 2015 Civic Si lol. K24 Babyyyy! Half the cylinders, half the power, definitely not as exciting as what I was cross shopping... but to be honest, 99% of the time it's enough. And on a windy enough road, I can outpace Camaros and Mustangs (though when the road straightens out, they're GONE lol)
