Some siblings aren't that great, this proves that they have Marge's best interests at heart even if they don't understand her side of things. They are flawed humans, but they do care, it's just a very finite resource.
To be perfectly honest, with a mindset like that the sisters would've taken up smoking in any case. Marge doing their chores just made it a little easier.
I’d somehow forgotten that Patty and Selma had different voices before they started smoking in this clip. That left me deeply uneasy, partly because every other character’s younger voice is at least recognisable.
Lol, I actually never noticed that until right now, and I find it funny thinking how quickly their voices deteriorated to their adult form after a few weeks or months.
@@LisaKoffler Yeah. Her sisters don't like Homer, but Homer's usually rude to them too, it's not just a one way thing. However, Patty and Selma started it, because in "The way we was" when Homer knocked on door to take Marge to the prom, they were immediately rude to him before he even ever said a word to them.
Alvex Ok, I remember that! I also remember when Marge was pregnant with Bart! She was in labor at the hospital, and Homer stood up to BOTH her mother and her older twin sisters: "This is my wife and this is my kid, and I'm paying for this delivery, so if you want to stay, you better give me some respect!"
@@LisaKoffler Yeah, that's right. They started it back in the old days. It makes it easier to root for Homer in all the present time scenes when he and they go at it. They always talk like Homer is so unappealable, but they should talk, there have been plenty of scenes with characters finding them pretty undesirable.
Patty and Selma are surprisingly sweet older sisters. They actually gave her the money and even played with her. (Granted they were getting something in return but I think it still counts since they could have gone back on their word)
I'm not sure how sweet it was what Patty and Selma did, because it's not like they helped Marge without there being something in it for them. Marge had to in return do all kinds of chores that they were supposed to do. And they took and ate the cookies Marge baked in the new oven without leaving any for (they were tiny cookies out of a tiny oven though, but still)
Alvex Ok, my mother said no to the "Easy Bake Oven" from the '70s, because she thought they were too dangerous, but the TV commercials said you can use Mom's oven. After I reminded her of that, we bought some of the "tiny" cake mixes, and we used her oven, and they came out delicious! As for Marge, I'm sure she ate some cookies she baked after feeding her sisters.
@@LisaKoffler Yeah, that's true. Just because something isn't mentioned or shown on a TV doesn't automatically mean it didn't happen, unless it's officially mentioned that it didn't happen. In this case, we don't see Marge eating any cookies, but it's also not mentioned that Marge didn't get any cookies, so she still might have. You're right that you can always bake any edible ingredients in a regular oven. Your mother was sensible because when a toy for kids works just like a real oven, even if it's small, it can still carry the same dangers as a real oven like burning yourself. If it can bake cookies, then it gets hot enough to burn you.
Ngl those light bulbs honestly didn't get all that hot, if you were quick about it you could totally grab the thing out with one super fast swipe If you're too slow you'll burn the shit out of yourself though (speaking from experience lmfaoooo)
Can't say I blame them. Homer doesn't really present himself as the ideal husband material as much not to mention he practically got Marge pregnant leading to both of them compromising the opportunity in life to start a family earlier than they intended. Well one can say that it worked out ok, but I can see why Patty n Selma would be protective of Marge n by extension, resentful towards Homer seeing him as the dead weight that ruined their little sister's aspirations in life seeing her to be too good for him.
Love how she's got a Lisa dress/outfit ensemble match, but it's green with her red pearls instead of Lisa's white ones. x3 Also, that oven wasn't plugged in.
@@velvety2006 I remember in my old Easy Bake, you could bake like two or so teeny tiny little cookies or tiny cakes at a time. Though I would highly advise you make your own recipes in that thing, or use the "grown up" Betty Cocker cake mixes and consolidate for those pixie-sized pans. (Most) Easy bake oven mixes are NAAAAAAST-EEEEEEEEEEEEE.
One of my favorite anecdotes that my mom always told me involved the child-sized electric lightbulb oven. *MOM* (to my nana): Mom, can I have an EZ Bake Oven? *NANA* : Why don't I just teach you how to use the oven? Then you can bake real food! *MOM* : ...oh yeah. XD
This scene made me sad as a child. She was such a giver and when she needed something she needed to give even more even though ppl would benefit from what she wanted. Seeing it as an adult it's even sadder. She was right about working for what you want tho
I had to look up this scene bc I have to describe a certain feeling to my therapist (I'm in rehab). The feeling of seeing someone so happy about something small, yet huge to them, and my desire to keep them protected from negative outside sources who would either spoil it for them or take advantage of them. The look Marge has on her face while the treats are in the oven describes it perfectly. I got this feeling yesterday when I helped a fellow resident, who's been having a hard time here in treatment, make their deceased mothers gumbo recipe. This person cannot cook, so with my help we made it together. The smile on their face when the taste was spot on was worth it. Anyway... thanks for your comment. It helped me put this feeling into words.
Everyone is talking about how wholesome marge is or how Patty & Selma held up their end of the bargain but I’m stuck on the fact that Patty & Selma got their raspy voices from smoking and Marge just naturally has one.
Marge is so pure. She's probably the sole reason why Bart didn't turn into a full-fledged sociopath; that kid is definitely neurologically-atypical, and Marge's unconditioned love and affection is what I think keeps Bart stable.
i mean yeah he has adhd canonically so he is neurodiverse, its not really something that takes a lot of speculation lol. but that being said, if you wanted to, you could say that there's something else going on too, its not like adhd leads you into being a "sociopath" in quotes because sociopathy isnt an actual diagnosis, the closest thing might be antisocial personality disorder. though youre probably thinking of psychopathy, which bart doesnt have, there was actually a whole episode about that too. ultimately hes just meant to be a caricaturized version of a rowdy mischievous kid. we're not meant to take it too seriously, but over-analyzing can be kind of fun sometimes too. honestly it can be a good way to learn about psych through fictional characters, even when you know its not meant to be taken seriously :p
@@Marbles471 yeah thats what i said! sorry if i worded it confusingly, let me try to explain again! the reason i brought up anti-social personality disorder is because "sociopathy" isnt a valid diagnosis anymore, instead it would be ASPD, which still doesnt fit bart regardless. but the original comment is probably confusing it with "psychopathy" which bart also doesnt have, they had a whole episode about how he doesnt have it. he does have adhd though which is where his rowdiness comes from, and its hiked up to 11 because its a cartoon where everything is hyperbolized, so if you try and take it literally you can walk away with the impression that its more than it is. but it shouldnt be taken at face value because well, cartoons exaggerate stuff, thats why theyre cartoons!
I love how much older Marge's sisters are implied to be than her even when they're kids. Not to mention their hair is purple instead of blue. Maybe blue hair is the recessive trait.
@@caroldefender4144 Maybe they were chain smokers ever since their youth, and that’s why their hair turned gray from exposure to smoke and ash from the cigarettes.
Slaves were sometimes paid wages; many slaves saved up to buy their freedom from their masters. The defining characteristic of slavery is that is *forced* labor, not that it's necessarily unpaid.
@@cyfangz9238 He edited the "and she consented" part in after I made my comment. And he's right, actually; it's not slavery even under the definition of forced labor.
It's funny you should mention it, because a couple days ago I saw this exact gif never having watched this episode. Got me thinking how on Earth that gif was done.
I can't help but notice that Marge's story about getting a toy oven by making herself a LITERAL SLAVE to her sisters is used to support the idea that Bart should get a part-time job to get what he wants. She's literally saying "work makes you free" and sees nothing wrong with it. God, I miss this show's deep-cutting satire.
Technically she wasn't a slave, as they did eventually pay her. It would probably be against modern minimum wage laws, but calling it slavery is at least debatable. At the end of her work she became free to buy an oven. That's different to what happened at the end of the work for Auschwitz prisoners.
@@supernaturalsupremeslayer8152 well yes and no selma lost her sense of taste and smell when they were playing with bottle rockets And one Went up her nose not sure about Patty though
I loved the subtle changes: Patty and Selma had high pitched, saccharine voices *BEFORE* smoking and then *AFTER* smoking, their voices are gravely and harsh to show the effects of smoking. Sorry for pointing that out but you gotta love The Simpsons' way of showing a change in a character whether it's obvious or not or immediate or not.
Marge and her sisters grew up sometime in the 1950-60's. Information on the dangers of smoking wasn't well known as today. Also, it was easier for kids to get their hands on cigarettes. Back then you walk into any pharmacy with note saying "please sell my child these cigarettes" lol 😂
I feel a joke was attempted at downplaying the oven being lightbulb operated as mundane, but its actually impressive how the inventor of the toy put to use the crazy amount of energy a lightbulb wastes in the form of heat.
Love that when the cookies are done, little Marge is wearing an oven mitt but only uses it to open the door and retrieves the cookies with her bare hand
Marge telling her story about earning money from her sisters and getting a glimpse at how Patty and Selma were as teenagers makes the family feel more real. Some cartoons will introduce a family member you've NEVER heard about in a one-off scenario, but Patty and Selma are a part of Marge's life. They're not around too often, but they WILL be brought up. I love that about The Simpsons.
My favorite part of any GREAT comedy is when it says no no no this character is based in reality. This character has grown over an entire lifetime and has experienced the joys and heartache of any living person. My favorite episodes of the Simpsons are the ones in which the titular characters have their innermost feelings brought to the surface. Bart just losing it when Marge loses faith in him. Homer relinquishing economic freedom to provide for Maggie. And little moments like these that give us a sweet memory, an innocent look into who a character is and always was.
Wait, if Patti and Selma smoked and smoked, wouldn’t they have to stop paying Marge and go back to doing their own chores? The main limiting factor to cigarette consumption is money, not time.
I just love those generic, descriptive names for very specific copyrighted/trademarked items that we all know what they're talking about. Ever read a cook book that calls for a very specific ingredient, usually a brand name candy or cookie that doesn't really have a generic counterpart, and they just give you the description? Like "peanut shaped peanut butter filled sandwich cookies" or "candy coated fruit flavored candy pieces."
I've read a lot of those "cook books," the ones where you just shove a bunch of pre-made stuff together to make a decorative Halloween/Christmas cake, and they all use the same odd generic phrases for very specific brand names of candies. It's somewhere between hilarious and annoying.
From the days before The Simpsons went wild writing around copyright or just downright mention the product since their show became so famous they could afford to.
I remember an episode where patty and selma reveal that their hair isnt actually grey its just cigarette ash. That means theyve been heavily smoking since before this flashback.
Bart: Aw, Mom. I couldn't ask you to do that. You're already taking care of Maggie. And Lisa is such a handful. Lisa: She means YOU should get a job, stupid. Bart: Me?
NOT AT ALL! When a boy's voice changes, it takes around 6 months to a year! When Patty and Selma took up smoking and became excessively heavy chain-smokers, their voices changed overnight!
I thought Patty and Selma always sounded like that I didn't know their voices came from smoking I mean it makes sense but still I never realized that it came from smoking.
MOST people aren't born with "cloggy" voices, like Marge and their mother were, and smoking also does many other terrible things besides change voices! Patty and Selma already had a slight hint of "clogginess" in their voices, and when they took up smoking, it got worse!
Can appreciate the fact, that despite the Dangers that the Old Toys of a Bygone generation had. Somehow, despite Marge is Wearing only One Oven Mitt. She reaches into the Toy Oven with her bare hand, and brings out two delicious Treats for her Sisters, despite risking the high possiblity chance of Multiple Burns, for both her, and her sisters safety. 😄
