If radar guided sam miss his interception point then most of the time ⌚ they are useless in the bvr most of the time you can evade the missel if missel lose his energy if you not able to jam the sam and if missel has sufficient energy most of the time sam will hit the target 🎯
The Chinese aircraft was designed to be evade because they can turn faster compared to American aircraft only have the ability to U turn and take multiple turns to climb
@@Mark_nobody3 LOL. These are Chinese purchased Su-27's from Russia. They're not Chinese-made aircraft. These J-11A's are Russian Su-27SK aircraft assembled with China using Russian kits. The only thing Chinese about these jets is their designation to "J-11A".
It's dramatic for the big screen but in real life these missiles will calculate lead of the aircraft and have a more than 80% chance of killing the aircraft at this range.
You're wrong, two reasons: 1)THAT is a Russian 2K12 Kub system, firing the 3M9M4 missile. This missile contains ONLY 67 Kg of fuel, which gives this missile a run time of ONLY 20 seconds (this obviously doesn't count the burn time of the initial rocket). The booster rocket itself has a burn time of 3-4 seconds, so, this missile has a total run time of 24 seconds (which you can see from Polish launches of this missile as "SA-6" on youtube). HOWEVER, this movie scene gives a much longer run time for the missile. THEREFORE, if you wanted to be realistic, the missile wouldn't have reached the jet ANYWAY. 2) the speed of the 3M9M4 is Mach 2.8, the speed of a J-11A is Mach 2.35 (yeah). There's really not a big difference, and if the initial distance was significant, the J-11A would have outrun that missile anyway.
@@terryadams2652 You see the problem is the missile reaches M 2.8 almost instantly while the J-11A only passed Mach 1 in the scene(vapor cloud). The missile would have hit.
@@terryadams2652Do not dare to comment if you have never been a PILOT with 2,456 hours of flight in Iraq, and Afghanistan, are we clear mother fuqer? 😊 You know NOTHING but online preference and buIIshits with movies and knowledge from vloggers!! U stpid fuq lDlOT!!
Actually the U-2 was shot down by an SA-2 guideline. This is a smaller missile SA-6 Gainful. It gained prominence during the Yom Kippur War alongwith the Shilka and the anti-tank Sagger.
A: the SA-6 “kub” can only fire 1 missile at a time. B: the missiles are radar guided, flares won’t do shit. C: the fighter went behind multiple mountains, which would have broken the radar lock. D. The missile is much faster than a J-11 and would not chase the fighter like that.
0:41 It says *chaff*/flares as well. Chaff can throw off radar SAMs, so the point of flares being useless is redundant, when chaff is also being used (literally stated by film captions)
I’ll never understand why directors keep using this ridiculous trope of missiles chasing planes. Especially when actual counter-Surface to Air Missile tactics are plenty exciting all on their own. Flight of the Intruder did a great job of depicting SAM’s much more accurately. A wide, establishing shot from the pilot’s viewpoint, showing the still-distant but obviously VERY fast-rising missile atop a ghostly white finger of smoke, reaching inexorably up towards the plane. Scary AF if shot right.
The Sam was apparently heat seeking while using a radar to "intercept" a Chinese plane. They also used flares witch are used against HEAT SEEKING missiles against a radar guided missile.
0:41 It says *chaff*/flares as well. Chaff can throw off radar SAMs, so the point of flares being useless is redundant, when chaff is also being used (literally stated by film captions)
weeeeell you see missile can pull waaay more G's than fighter aircraft ( not because the plane it self cannot withstand the forces ) but rather the pilot cant withstand the G forces. Edit: and by the time he broke the sound barrier the missile alredy caught up to him...
"We'll use all of the machines" Proceeds to use only one of the radar machines and one of the sam vehicle's, firing only two missiles from that singular missile launcher and leaves after only taking down one of the two jets in the air.
@kumudini bhattar more like 6g with gsuit considering this scene is based off of a real event where a dude dodges 6 sams wirhout chaff or flares in iraq. The recording is on RU-vid you should check it out
@Varun bhattar nothing will happen if u travel at the speed of sound unless u turn it just like going a plane when ur cruising u feel like ur in land but when it turns then u feel the g forces
@@th3gov3rnm3nt those missiles worked pretty well compared to how old they are and what that pilot did is very impressive lol 2 missile came super close to him he also the thought he was out
It is true that most sams are used for interception but the ones we see here are called G-hopping, these specific ones has purpose to intercept low speed missiles and drones, chasing aircrafts are not likely
0:41 It says *chaff*/flares as well. Chaff can throw off radar SAMs, so the point of flares being useless is redundant, when chaff is also being used (literally stated by film captions)
This is basically Chinese top gun with a cheaper budget. The only thing that is not CGI are the people acting and lets be honest here. No matter how unrealistic. You can't blame the show for its unrealistic portrayal of the SAM 6, but there is one real criticism that I think many would agree with. The actors don't know how to act in a fighter. They are too calm for a real fight against sam missiles. They should be sweating like crazy. They should be frantically looking behind them and they should be controlling their breathing because of the G-force.
Whoa, those Chinese J-11s must be some badass planes, to be able to outrun SAM missles. As an American, that terrifies me! How did they design such a jet?... oh, they didn't? Well they at least had to put some fast engines in it!... oh...
0:41 It says *chaff*/flares as well. Chaff can throw off radar SAMs, so the point of flares being useless is redundant, when chaff is also being used (literally stated by film captions)
the missle is so smart that it knows to slow down to chase a fighter in order to scare the pilot's shit out of his pants. Next upgrade will be crying out "boom" in radio to enhance this psychological intimidating strategy...
Well most anti aircraft missiles are much faster than the plane If it gets behind you there is no way of outrunning it unless you have a plane that's as fast as the blackbird Intercepting is like sprinting to catch someone in close proximity for a short while not chasing after them
The missile flies 5-10x faster than the jet. Except for the newest missiles, they will do a single flyby attack. If they have a lock, they will detonate near the plane. If not, they will fly past it and detonate after a specific time. It will not turn around and chase the place like in the movies. Think of it like an airburst round. The only way to avoid it is to break its lock while it is still far away. If it still has a lock a few dozen km away, it will almost always hit you.
I'm guessing. but i think intercept missiles are designed to defend anything from entering a very specific area. so they have high speed short range. as they burn through their fuel quickly. as they don't care to chase anything down outside of their small firing radius that they are protecting. as their aim is to defend a specific area. they will come in very fast on their target and not be slow like a jet and ignore everything outside their area. they basically predict where the target is going to be and get there very fast and blow up at same time. they don't have much turn abilities as they are based on speed and prediction. unlike other missiles that are designed to hit an enemy target rather than defend your own area. which would mean needing more fuel for travelling longer distances, maybe even ability to keep track of moving target using gps, ability to pass through enemy missile defence systems, stealth etc. so they would be designed differently and have different abilities.
1) Dropping flares against a radar guided missile is just stupid and pointless... 2) Once in the canyon, the ground radar that does the guidance would lose contact and the missile would miss anyway since it needs the target to be constantly lit by radar on this system. 3) Constant myth of a missile chasing him and going in his exact path, while in reality it goes to interception point, trying to "guess" where the plane will be 4) Even if it would go in plane's path, it is way faster, especially on this system (SA-6 or Kub) since it has ramjet engine. 5) And another eternal myth: rocket engine on the missile runs all the time... Well, it doesn't... It runs several seconds, gives the missile speed and energy it uses for the rest of the flight, slowly losing it afterwards...
0:41 It says *chaff*/flares as well. Chaff can throw off radar SAMs, so the point of flares being useless is redundant, when chaff is also being used (literally stated by film captions)
I read somewhere that SAM missiles in general are very short-ranged so they cannot chase after its target relentlessly like depicted in the film. Is it not the case?
Yes. Most missiles run out of thrust very quickly. But few like the European meteor might lose track and then turn 180 degrees and require track on close ranges. Because it has datalink and a ramjet motor. But generally if they miss, they're gone.
Very short range all aspect missile may chase but not SAMs. SAMs are too fast to evade by maneuvering any ways. And SAM itself is not maneuverable to do 180 after missing. If it misses it would lose target lock unless someone is actively guiding it by a data link. But they are built for interception. Making them turn and make slower makes little sense when you can just fire more of them.
If anything the SAM would have stopped tracking right after the J11 flew into the valley We are clearly seeing a radar guided missile here(Radar vehicle and missile vehicle together), which would stop tracking the moment the radar vehicle loses line-of-sight with the target
