I mean, at this point it's not HEMA anymore, as HEMA stands for Historical European Martial Arts, but yeah, it's a nice influence to revive the practical side of eastern swordfighting styles
@@LeyvatenLoop *HEMA is an icon with these rulesets and protection. HCMA(C for Chinese) alone does not offer that at all, if not for HEMA's focus on reality to inspire young ones there would be literally no such sparring in HCMA, like not even close to one. In HCMA, the most important thing to be learned for a lot of people isn't how these weapons were great at the hands of the ancient to destroy old enemies in china,* *it's actually to recognize that cultural mysticism had always been the greatest enemy to HCMA, not the foreign invaders of any sort* *you would think that glorifying katana the samurai sword to be the worst from time to time,* *just dont forget the amount of mysticism glorifying the chinese swordship performance art to mystify the weapon's underlying practical usage is simply on an unbearable level.* *I am glad there's these cultural exchanges being played so that people learn to maintain truth and pragmatism to each other, otherwise it's all ending up in internet hype wars and belief in one's own egomaniac bullshit* I speak as only from my personal experience with traditional sensations coming from a chinese cultural perspective
@@bookknight lol bro if you could understand chinese word, you'd be surprised how much people go on "hema chinese swords" videos to comment it ain't kung fu, along with a bunch of ridiculous claims and glorification on how much traditional weight their words hold their stubbornness, claims like this is not even the right footwork or how geared sparring is nothing remotely close to how it's used in old days, or how you are amateurishly ruining traditional values blahblahblah. I mean that's exactly the problem right, they can't accept practical reality that's a number one egostistical issue, but what's also stopping them from realizing that they can't is they already assume they are already skillful and deadly and with a subliminal perception that sparring and making mistakes would make them lose face. But everyone starts somewhere and just have to make mistakes to get better regardless of how clumsy one currently is, and have to look forward to continuously change one's idea on what works and what doesn't for themself accordingly as they improve each day. You see this basic idea is too new for certain people who already immersed themselves in otherwise mystical ideals and lineage system, that's why so much bullshit continues to be inherited hundreds of years to this day, with other historically political issue too, but the comment has been long enough
It was also an excellent bout from a viewers perspective. The final hilarious moment proved what I have always seen (and experienced!) A heroic charge almost never works! Proved my suspicion that a longsword is a longsword and footwork is footwork. The two moments in the middle, where the Chinese Longsword wielder entered the other's guard and sliced the chest, followed by the beheading by the European longsword wielder were two great, rare moments of excellent attacks. Very enjoyable.
I am actually considering starting to practice both as well. I have never done anything like it before, but both HEMA and for example 功夫 (kung fu) seem very fun.
Slowed it down to 0.25x and watched it twice, it's likely just the helmet caught the long sword then fell off, if it was a real fight, the thing that the longsword guy cut would only be a few strands of hair... The awesomeness is now anime level.
@@bodyno3158 I don’t know what brought you to that conclusion, I’m watching it multiple times and that cut to the head looks quite powerful; it’s not easy to knock off a helmet
@@chopstick1671 After rewatching it couple of times, you are... Right? It was a hit to the head, but was also an afterblow, miaodao guy's technique was not perfect too (like we all are), that should go for the belly, not on thighs. Probably this would work in a real duel-to-the-death scenario? Was it the helmet's culprit? Like, the helmet being kept held high due to it's structure so irl the miaodao guy could bow his head down enough to avoid a strike from the longsword guy. I don't know, I had worn kendo men many times, it's impossible to really bow your head when you are wearing one, wanna find something on the ground? Better get your whole spine working. Then it's the good old question of "Is HEMA a modern combat sport or actual reconstructional archaeology? " ..... I don't blame judges considered that was a hit though, a helmet sent flying off is always very impressive, and that was a risky shot, way too combat sport.
@Michael Cote LoL another "muh UFC blabla" scenario. Put this in your estrogen pill and swallow it. Zhang Weili張偉麗 www. ufc.com/news/champion-check-in-zhang-weili en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Weili
I like that this exists, in the sense of it being a different sword competition sport from western and Japanese fencing. From my experience with bamboo swords though I wonder if the protective gear is enough against metal swords. It looks kinda dangerous, especially when someone misses the protective parts.
The gear we use in HEMA is robust and covers the majority of gaps. The weapons we tend to use are weighted closer to the hands and are flexible to mean they hit softer and bend in the thrust. Injuries are mostly to the hands, and there are a fair amount of concussions, due to really just using adapted olympic fencing masks with some additional padding / overlays. Additionally, most tournaments but for sure most clubs / sparring groups have force rules. You should be striking with intent, but control. So it wouldn't be acceptable to whallop someone as hard as you can. Overall, the injuries sustained are not very common, and mostly amount to bruising. The protective gear and safer weapons, combined with control and respect for your opponent's wellbeing make HEMA pretty safe all in all.
While they may be using actual steel bladed swords they don't have edges on them and are probably duller than a butter knife. In addition to blunted edges, the tips are blunted too in form or another and the blades are usually made more flexible than their sharp counterparts are so that thrusts are safe too.
@@robertfogelberg7538 Sure but it is all Chinese, maybe you can try use website translator.item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-9358892237.18.51474d02RU925o&id=577778002307
Good eye! Looks like the flags didn't see it because of the spectacle of the guy losing his mask, and the ref/marshall was in the wrong place to see it so it didn't get scored. That's an unfortunate reality of HEMA competition, but if the flags are scoring fairly and doing their best then those missed hits will go both ways and generally even out in the end. Flagging is a skill too, and it takes a lot of experience both fighting and officiating to actually get good at it. The flag officials are just volunteers, so there's variability in that skill and experience.
Yeah, that was definitively a double hit, though how to score that would depend on their rules, for example: lethal vs injure, if a double hit happens with one side dealing a lethal blow while the other deals a blow that would most likely just injure, it makes sense to give some points to the one that killed. It also makes sense to not give points to anyone to avoid recklesness. Maybe the judges didn't notice, or maybe their rules would give a point to the lethal blow (but since I don't speak chinese, I can't tell :v)
Might actually be the reason the MiaoDao guy threw the last bout. He gave the fight to Longsword to reflect Lethal vs Incapacitate. Either way, fantastic exchange! Looks like great sportsmanship and a lot of fun was had.
Nearly 10 years in China and only just now learning that some places do have HCMA and HEMA. This is very far from where I lived but it's good to see. Funny to think how many times I searched for and asked about this stuff, but unless you know the right people or EXACTLY the right thing to search for, you can't find it. Honestly the most frustrating language I've ever learned.
Maybe you're just misguided by those sensationalize "fake master competitions", or maybe you just didn't search hard enough. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z1vy85soI1Q.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AVvGMHS5HYU.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tsUzNpbdGZA.html
not sure, i don't think english hma community have realized miao dao actually have few manuals. as far as i know you can find a translation of principle of Wudang swordsmanship(jian, single handed sword) on Z-library
What's most interesting is that the guard of the western sword isn't playing that much of a role during the melee except for being a disadvantage when they came together. The guard actually allowed the Asian sword practitioner to release off of the guard it looked like, while the Western sword was trapping itself against the blade. I have to watch it again. But it did seem to me to be in the way during that skirmish in the melee.
Yep watched it twice more and 5hats exactly what happened. The guard actually cause it to trap itself as the swordsman try to use that guard to run down the length and trap the Asian style sword. Nice technique. I would say the guard is to protect a less skilled swordsman. A more skilled swordsman would simply release from the attempted trap and use that very same trap as a trap, coming underneath after the release slicing under the armpit without armor that would have ended the melee for the him. With armor as you saw the slice should be nullified and there's an opportunity for a counter as followed in this melee starting at 0:59 about.
Historically, crossguards had a striking and hooking purpose as well. Of course they will not implement a warhammer-like strike thats meant to beat armour. It is true that it sometimes gets in the way, other times it helps a tremendous lot.
Longswords Advantage however is it's unspecelized offense Both Stabbing and Cutting. Even with the False Edge, the Back of the Blade, while the Dao is more Cut heavy and is single Edged.
@@seretith3513 Well... I agree and disagree. The false edge gives the dao the advantage of being able to be used a s a defense tool not purely offensive. And the Dao is stabbing weapon as well. It's been demonstrated many times. It just can't slash or cut from the false side of course. That's why the move where dao user who got his head cut off was a reverse cut which couldn't be used be the Dao although it would certainly be quite the blow to the head regardless. But it obviously wouldn't do the same kind of damage with or without armor.
@@DEFKNIGHT how does sharping the false Edge makes it inpossible or more impractical to be used defensivly? Yes, thrusting is a thing in Curved blades, but the Longsword has it better on point because it is straight.
I’m going to assume he’s a Meyer stylist. My group practices Meyer but I personally prefer earlier styles. Meyer has very wide sweeping motions like that which leave you completely open to thrusts.
@@JetConvoy Nah, I disagree. He does prefer cutting, but if you coordinate well with you footwork it is very efficient, and definatelly not wide open to thrusts. Every attack action leaves you open somewhere...
1:00 that wouldn't have done anything in a real fight, no quality. They aren't lightsabers... and that last exchange should have been blue point. The red hit to the legs was flat.
You sure? Given usual sparring rules (simulating unarmored combat), that looks like it would've been a draw-cut to the armpits, which would've been pretty lethal
@@Judicial78 He threw his hips and entire weight against the opponent, all the while leveraging the spine of the blade against his body. With sharp weapons that would've been incredibly devastating, but he had no reason to continue the move. If he had to, he could've easily just pulled down (like doing a hip-throw) and severed off at least an arm.
@@kuprukuula Do you spar and fight with these weapons? Because I have for almost 10 years including running tournament events and judging them. So unless you are coming from some sort of authority please be silent.
@@Judicial78 You absolutely haven't been cutting people up for 10 years, but don't let me wake you up from your fantasies. Are you seriously suggesting you would be okay on the receiving end of that strike? If that wouldn't do you in the follow up will, which you wouldn't be in any condition to prevent.
@@05comiti37 I don't know what you mean by there is not much binding in fiore. There are literally two whole, lengthy sections on what to do with a longsword when you bind which are the Zogho Largo (wide play) and Zogho Stretto (close play) sections. If you don't think there isn't any binding in fiore then it seems as you still have a bit more reading to do.
I see them swinging the sword but the structure is weak. Their arms are getting tired from swinging those swords and those swords will get heavy after a couple of bouts. After the arms get tired then the real skill emerge when you are forced to use your body or structure to swing those swords and then you have power behind it. This is so kindergarten.
@@tristantsang4325 I think you don't understand exactly what I'm talking about .... both of them just try to hit the quick hit, neither pays attention to distance or defense .. that has nothing to do with sword fighting skills that is just stupid knocking ... no Hema
I think I get your point, they should be trying to apply more techniques so they would have an incresed chance of survivability, aftar all, that's what HEMA is all about. Gotta agree with that, even though I practice hung gar, our weapon training looks for the exact same thing. However they are going in the right direction, maybe just paying more attention into this aspect and all should be fine
Katana was actually used by almost everyone in Asia, from Javan Pirates, Burmese, Thailand and Dai Veit Kingdoms to Joseon Korea who started making their own katanas after defeating the Japanese Samurai during the Imjin War they decided to adapt the sword for the future. Katana is the Eastern version of the longsword.
