What the US night vision market needs is a company like PSA. PSA doesn't want profit margins or military contracts, they just want to equip every american with the most reasonably priced, US made guns. THAT is what we need in night vision and thermal. A company that is fine with providing a 90% "just as good" product at like 20% the cost. Economy of scale the sh*t out of a US factory and be so competitively priced that everybody is basically forced to buy from you. Don't overcharge 300% just because it's for the military. Make US made affordable again.
Two philosophies, one wants as much profit per unit as possible, the other makes profit though volume of sales. The latter benefits the masses without hurting the risk taker (company). The former is generally greedy imo.
There will never be “cheap” night vision. The American government controls the supply of Gen3 tubes. Not to mention the manufacturing process of tubes which drives up the cost. Sure, Gen2+ tubes or digital chinese NV may be “just as good” for some people, but generally do not perform as well as Gen3 in low light situations. Still, ballpark price of entry into analog NV can be anywhere from $2,000 to $4,000 for a monocular. Obviously price depending on specs, etc.
As much as I DONT want to support China, being poor and with absolutely ZERO western countries making affordable products for non military commercial purchase puts you in a difficult position.
Stop and think like a dark minded individual like me. Imagine if you will. The CCP armies invade the United States. Now imagine, some poors like us smoking them using affordable equipment made by their own people.
Bro there is no such thing as "Buy american" when we have open borders Our government is irredeemable at this point and you don't owe it fucking anything
Thats because the chinese stuff isn't going to save you in a combat situation. Anyone with dedicated FLIR will see you from a mile away, because the chinese us IR illuminators in that cheap amazon stuff.
I see people cry about supporting the CCP when people ask about the RH25, StingIR, and other IRay options. But when I ask what the US equivalent of the RH25 or StingIR is, the only answer that checks off the same boxes is the Trijicon SkeetIR-X ($12.5k) and PoT Voodoo-S ($17k). The US market just isn’t competitive currently. I think an updated NVision NOX18 that has clip on capability for the same price as it’s currently at ~$6k would do extremely well, but NVision hasn’t touched the NOX18 in 4 years.
Same people complaining on their Chinese phone. That argument is irrelevant in today's "consume" society. Not saying you can't seek out US made, but don't act like nothing you're consuming isn't from other places.
And at the same time everyone and their grandmas whole house are made in different parts of south east asia. Why bitch about 1 optic when the rest of your entire life spending is going to China?
look at what happened in the drone space. dji with an army of approx. 20k engineers consumed the industry. all us drone manufacturers got out of the civi market and went to uncle sugar. the chinese are churning out engineers at a rate than greater than 10:1 compared to us. what do you think happens when you make education an exclusive experience? and most of the smart math kids in the US get lured into the finance industry. this is just the beginning.
@@KeystoneCarry lol how does that make me autistic? I know I'm weird in other ways, but noticing that just means I know what professional work with a teleprompter looks like.
Tin foil comment. I wonder if China has a chip in each unit which they can turn off should we ever go to war. Events in the news regarding other items coming in the country lead me to this question
1987, NAS Oceana, Experimental Thermal Nose POD under a F-14B Tomcat ... we could see the heat coming off the genitals of the line crew. We could tell who was a boy and who was a girl 700+ yards away.... what we have in the civilian world isnt shit.
It's been well over 15 years since I owned NODs (7-bravos), and I haven't kept up on it. At the time, thermal imageing systems were $12k + for the most basic of units. What i'm seeing now is just amazing. So my question: Given my experience with NVGs, and what I'm seeing with Thermal, why would you run NVGs with thermals? What are NVGs giving you that thermal doesn't?
At this time, the following: 1. No latency (at all, compared to some, or maybe a lot) 2. Can see through windows, and can see IR emitters, and be used for passive aiming. 3. Generally, still, better for navigation and active movement while thermals remain king for observation. As Moore's law benefits thermals, though, I think we'll see these advantages dwindle.
Man, it’s awesome gear for sure, it’s just that most people can’t afford it. People these days are struggling to buy a PSA rifle thanks to the economy, not that there is anything wrong either PSA, I just opted to build my rifles because it’s easier to come up with $50 here and $100 there. The problem with NV and Thermal is dropping $2k or more on buying a QUALITY unit. I know a couple people who have bought digital night vision that are pretty good, but it’s not on the level of the latest tech available. I’ve seen helmet mounted NV go for up to $40k!! I’d love to just drop $5k-$10k on a bridged unit though, it’s just not realistic for most people. Maybe when Trump gets in office and more American companies step up to the plate then maybe some of the prices will come down, we can all only hope.
Who else thought this might be about the Jerry FB 😂 👀 regardless I’m here for this! as well as if you guys want to start talking about laser speed brand laser, illuminators and or other “gray market” goodies from China 🔥
US companies take IP seriously, which also means competitions can't easily copy each other and get these products out there and immediately get feedback, rapidly moving forward or driving price down. In China, that is just not a thing at all, which pushes them to develop way faster without all the rules in place, competitions drive down the price significantly.
It seems a significant move towards a total receiver based night vision with Thermal and ?... IR is a give away... Was just watching one of Shawn Ryans interviews with a Navy Seal who got in a bad way cause the IR's gave away his position.. IF everyone has them they all have a disadvantage.. I saw a clip recently of a super high res thermal that seemed like you wouldn't need anything else... Thanks
im toying with a homemade oicw, looking into a tr2 type camera but without the need for a phone. would like the battery on my helmet or vest. put a flip down screen on my helmet or goggles. gun cam, with thermal. overlaying a night vision and thermal with those transparent amoled screens in my goggles would be interesting. the larp demands it.
You aren't kidding, this is blatant and obvious propaganda for a country that is literally trying to destroy our country through IP THEFT AND CORPORATE ESPIONAGE. They made a cheap product with stolen tech, what's new?
Chinese thermal is just now catching up to US thermal. The reason you're just now seeing it is because the high resolution US made systems were $130k 25 years ago and were the size of a mini fridge. Lockheed Martin had high resolution thermal designed for aircraft going back to 1996. That stuff could see heat signatures from a literal mile away and distinguish what it was. All the Chinese have done is make it cheap, compact and mass produced. Which granted is a feat in its own right, but a far cry from them "dominating the market" Oh and the vast majority of cellphones are manufactured in china but developed elsewhere. Almost every piece of technology the Chinese have ever made was either stolen and reverse engineered or designed in another country entirely.
Stop fooling yourself. China now leads the world in many critical technologies. The first thing you must do to solve a problem is to recognize you have one.
So what's better than the RH25 for the same price, seeing how its held its relatively same price for the last couple years? Rumor has it Iray is dropping a newer RH25 in a few months.
@@WinSomeLoseNone0 I had someone check into the Chinese products and the only improvement that's better than the breach is merely pixels it's detection capabilities aren't near as good as the breach but close to it. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather not support the Chinese and help them dominate the globe any more than they already do with all their products
No matter if you like or hate China. Most of our products is made in China. If you want U.S military grade, you’re gonna have to pay top dollars for it. China will probably have something better for less that won’t break your account. I’m not talking about the cheap copycat ones lol
A thermal scope with no video no Bluetooth bullshit. We want clear function with range simplicity....I need reliability without all the frills...Any suggestions ? Clip on ?? Straight thermal scope ??
Less advanced thermals being cheaper is good news.......all i need to know is that there is a heat spot up the gully that's about deer or pig size....i don't need to be able to count the animals nose hairs
I was going to buy the 640 sidekick on Black Friday but there wasn't' much info on it and now that the price went back up I'll probably just wait for the 1280 version or fusion to get down to my level.
Is there a red dot sight like rmr or eotech that you can run thermal with helmet mounted? If so that’s the answer you can pretty much get rid of Night vision altogether especially if the unit does not nuke.
i would love to buy a Chinese thermal but i absolutely hate that they have built in wi fi .the last thing i want is to be tracked by the red army if they ever did invade
For decades only western corporations dealt with their Chinese partners. They wanted Chinese to make products as cheaply as possible, they often requested rapid obsolescence. The Chinese can and will make good products if the incentives are there. Those incentives are rapidly increasing as the entities putting in orders are changed. The feedback loop between the western consumers and the Chinese manufacturers has never been as good as now.
The US is way ahead in thermals along with Europe in tactical and civilian market. Also note ATN corp makes great thermals for rifles. you sound like a Chinese ad. do some comparisons.
@@vcqrsfdwc1987 ofcourse we will make our own stuff unlike the west deindustrialising itself and paying china to raise its confidence to actually believe they could achieve it without espionage theft and outright given tech. No thanks china, we will make our own, anything worth making. Thats how any nation increases production.
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When I see "Chinese Thermal" I think "Cheap" - like the Holosun Red Dot NV/Thermal. That's cheap for what it is... when I look a a Flir Breach priced the same as the supposedly cheap things you offer, I wonder why I even looked at your site. 🤔
china been fcking investing so much in video capture / image capture this decade its crazy thats why every corner of china is bombarded with camera with facial recognition
