Choosing between Betaflight. INAV and Ardupilot: A guide for new builders

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Learn more about Betaflight here: betaflight.com/docs/wiki
Learn more about INAV here: github.com/iNavFlight/inav/bl...
Learn more about Ardupilot here: ardupilot.org/
My 'for beginner' series for each of these systems, made for first timers:
Betaflight: • Quadcopter Building fo...
INAV: • INAV for Beginners 202...
Ardupilot: • Arducopter/Pixhawk for...
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@CarlosChavez-gs1ld 9 месяцев назад

I liked the "Flying on Rails" bit. We will see! This is a great summary that already saved me some time, and can save many others lots of time and maybe some grief in choosing the right Firmware and program to use. Well done- thanks.

@dabit4840 Год назад

I am going to switch my iNav builds to Ardupilot. That software is fantastic if you get past the initial hurdles. It does support crsf, canvas mode, bidirectional dshot, etcetera, so lack of modern stuff support is not so valid anymore. Same for smaller vehicles; increased looprates, dynamic notches, helps a lot. Flight performance is good, telemetry and logging is excellent, lua scripts on the FC are powerful. Regarding the flightcontroller: get something with an H7 processor. Otherwise you will continuously run into things you cannot do due to lack of flash, lack of RAM or lack of processing power. Even something trivial such as deciding what a LED strip must do besides traffic-light like behaviour requires a board with 2MB flash.

@lovermon69 Год назад

I lIke Watching your vids, I bought a wing, bit off more than i thought, Crashed a few times, watching your vids gave me the hope and determination to keep going. Now i have had a successful maiden with inav and was able to get the auto tune feature to run for a little bit. Appreciate your time.

@Peskii Год назад

I've been flying quads for years and never even tried to fly a wing or a plane. I recently picked up the atomic dolphin and that series, and all of your reworked videos are going to be a huge huge help. Thanks bud

@richardraimondo612 Год назад

Excellent video!!. After a couple of years, I was thinking of going back to flight controllers. I have seen a lot of advances both in iNav and Ardupilot, and didn't know which one should I choose. Your video made it quite clear which direction should I take. Thanks a lot!!

@seanyfpv Год назад

ohhh i'm very excited for this video! i started with ardupilot but wanted to potentially try something new for an fpv quad, will probably go with inav... great video!

@djpj54321 Год назад

Great, great video! I found exactly the info I was looking for. Building a VTOL and looking for alternatives for my current KK2 board. Clearly, Ardupilot is the way to go for this purpose.

@Mr89Falcon Год назад

Thank you! This gives me a very clear understanding of the direction that I want to go as I make the transition to FPV and automation👍👍👍

@adilsongoliveira Год назад

I use INAV in 90% of my builds (I have one quad with betaflight and I'm finishing a VTOL with arduplane, for obvious reasons). I still think if Ardupilot had a simple interface like INAV/Betaflight, it would be much more adopted.

@maro0016 Год назад

I agree 👍. BTW: I did a hover test with the re-built Xiake & it had vibration issues. Maybe the Ethix 2blade 6” props generated the problem. I plan to do tomorrow again a test…

@adilsongoliveira Год назад

@@maro0016 I was thinking about replace them with 3-blade.

@maro0016 Год назад

@@adilsongoliveira maybe I should try that too - let’s see when weather gets better here. It snowed today…

@paulbizard3493 Год назад

Yes, INAV is really convenient.

@serang Год назад

90% then you have at least 10 builds

@gregorydobson4307 Год назад

Great video Lee. Just building my first wing with inav. Always used betaflight for my drones so should be interesting. Ardu pilot looks interesting too.

@stevebarrett8544 5 месяцев назад

Thank you Lee fantastic video you’ve made it easy for me to choose for where I’m at and I believe Inav is for me as I fly mostly fixed wing at the moment🙏

@luisete7076 Год назад

Una clase magistral para los nuevos pilotos que no lo tenemos todavía claro en algunos puntos. Un saludo desde España amigo 👍👍👍

@Painless360 Год назад

Me alegra que el video tuviera sentido, incluso si estuviera en inglés. Feliz vuelo.

@Rcschim Год назад

Super video! I know betaflight quite well, started using inav last year and love it on planes, now you got me curious to start using ardupilot ;) Greets, Mario

@karelrysavy334 Месяц назад

clear and super helpful, Thank You!

@maro0016 Год назад

Great video Lee! Maybe a Ardupilot upgrade & setup video for the atomrc Swordfish would be a good idea. Have a nice weekend!

@thirty_character_limit 9 месяцев назад

Super helpful, thank you!

@jankucera8505 Год назад

very informative! I didnt know ardupilot and I learned about inav from my neighbour last week

@Painless360 Год назад

Check out the channel. Lots of information aimed at new pilots on here... Best of luck

@MCsCreations Год назад

Fantastic video, Lee! Thanks! 😃 I think about building a submarine, but... I'm really afraid of the salty water. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@jeffparisse4202 Год назад

I started with APM Copter, MultiWii and Arduinos. Worked with Ardupilot for years and professionally from 2013 - 2020 first with Monarch Inc. and later on a year long drop glider project with Tridge for Yates AeroSpace… I’m retired and now freestyle quads for the fun of it. I’m surprised to see such a storied and complex piece of firmware being so favored in the mix (great Venn diagram btw). I see Ardupilot as full time bench work where as Betaflight and INAV are in the air almost immediately. Ardupilot is a fine and capable choice for those that need to address mission complexity whereas Betaflight and iNAV focus on the desire to enjoy flying. I am aware that my history with ArduPilot (since 1.0) may effect my logic.

@Painless360 Год назад

Thanks for posting Jeff, and thanks for the feedback on the diagram. It took many revisions with checking from my Patreons to get to the one used in the video. Ardupilot setup is now a lot easier to setup compared to the older versions and I can set it all up in about the same time a Betaflight and Ardupilot. The benefit is that there is a lot more that the system supports over the basics of stabilisation, OSD, RTH etc when compared to the other two. It is horses for courses as I use INAV on most of my fixed wing fleet but when you need something that uses things like air-speed and lidar sensors properly or need to make a VTOL then it is a one horse race. Happy flying!

@jeffparisse4202 Год назад

@@Painless360 Thanks again. It’s is good to hear that the front end programming has been in the works.

@tk-maker Год назад

May I ask how good ardupilot with freestyle, I am not looking into hardcore s-bang freestyle but something "common" medium level of fresstyle. Thanks in advance

@steinne Год назад

excellent overview...

@Quad_Father Год назад

Great video and overview…. Thank you! There is definitely a lot of confusion on board compatibility and what works with which systems. Just not knowing keeps me tied to betaflight A suggested video idea would be a run through of hardware requirements for each.

@Painless360 Год назад

It's a lot easier than you may think. See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XWv7aG7z22o.html for how to find out... Happy flying

@pappafritto 6 месяцев назад

Great review!

@Maybe.019 Год назад

thank you , that was very helpful

@oloendithas Год назад

I have ArduPilot running on CineLog 35 with Matek H743mini)) I just got used to it on my big quad and found it simple to use the same software on both.

@shaider1982 Год назад

Thanks for the info here. As a beginner, I think I'll stick with Betaflight first for my planned first build, less compatibility issues and cheaper FC's use it. Edit: by chance, the speedybee 405 I am checking out supports INAV so I can try either out.

@tk-maker Год назад

I stick with speedybee F405 with the posibility of switching between Betaflight/inav/ardupilot

@wingsmh27 Год назад

I used open pilot, mission planner, Qground ground control, cleanflight, betaflight, and now on INAV configurator, All of above I like mp and inav is the best but every flight controller has its own limitations and we never configure it with only specific configuration software from above. But now days inav is best. simple default values and PID gives best result, but in channel remapping and other configuration we need some extra knowledge of CLI commands to use unused channels.

@k4x4map46 Год назад

good stuff!

@RCOverKill Год назад

I agree with you on which fw to use with the type quad, or wing. I'm building a larger quad capable of lifting heavy payloads, commercial filming, etc. so this will be my 1st ardupilot build. I wouldn't say cost is not a concern, but I do want to use hardware that works well consistently, do you have suggestions for basic setup, gps, compass, lidar, whatever equipment I need for accurate vtol, and mission planning. I'll be watching your videos, but I would like to price some of the hardware I'm not familiar with to get an idea what this might cost. Also I see a frame much like yours called the fpv king 500mm x8 for only 79.00, do you know if this frame would be ok for lifting between 5, and 10 pounds, or what frame do you suggest? This video answered my original question perfectly, so thank you, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

@Painless360 Год назад

Carrying weights are normally listed for the larger frames. They are not something that I get my hands on here as it is mostly 450/650 class frames. Best of luck!

@icp-trek Год назад

Always used Betaflight and tried Inav but whent back to BF since it felt more familiar with it. Now I have a 7-inch that I want to outfit with Inav but I appears that I can't get Inav to work with BLheli S with Bluejay. It defaults to Multishot. Is BLheli 32 a must for Dhot with INAV?

@crckdns 11 месяцев назад

Didn't know that ardupilot isn't pixhawk only anymore! Thanks for the info! Will jump with my 800mm hexa onto it. Need to find a suitable FC

@Painless360 11 месяцев назад

Check out some of the Ardupilot builds on the channel. I have installed it onto Matek and also Omnibus flight controllers along with other stuff, too. Lots of content on the channel that you might find interesting. Happy flying.

@grifter77 Год назад

I had no idea that Ardupilot now supported cheaper hardware. Can you recommend some entry level flightcontrollers that work with Arupilot? I'd like to experiment with a quad or wing that can fly autonomous missions. Any recommendations appreciated!

@Painless360 Год назад

Full list here - ardupilot.org/copter/docs/common-autopilots.html#closed-hardware I like the Matek flight controllers (the wing baords for planes in particular). Any FX with an F7 or H7 processor is preferred but it works great on an F4 but some of the more advanced features may not work due to memory/CPU limitations.

@kimichen886 Год назад

A first video makes some sense to a beginner, ie me. I'm teaching a STEM drone course in a few months. Do you think Betaflight can work for secondary school students? I feel flying a drone provides not much value in a school setting unless students get a good understanding of how a drone work. I'm watching your Betaflight series now. Great work. Thank you.

@Painless360 Год назад

That sounds like a fun thing to do as a series of lessons for STEM. There are specific resources I've heard of for using drone technology as part of STEM lessons so I am sure you will have a blast! There are so many stills and knowledge that building a drone can cover. One of the main ones being troubleshooting, overcoming adversity and persistence. I still use lessons I learnt from similar teachers back in my teens now, when I'm in my 50's. There are three other videos that cover the power system, control system and FPV system. You can view them here - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xPDc6r6nRTU.html They should be a lot of help covering the basics in a way that a new builder/pilot can follow easily. Best of luck with it!

@sams9716 Год назад

Great video! I want to build an Ardupilot wing. Have started a few times but mission planner always gets me and then I don't feel comfortable to maiden it. Also wish there was a way to switch ports around.

@Painless360 Год назад

You can. Check out the series linked in the description... Best of luck!

@sams9716 Год назад

@@Painless360 Can ports be changed in arduplane? I asked in the facebook group but never got an answer.

@Painless360 Год назад

Yep, I've done it on my setup series a few times. See ardupilot.org/plane/docs/common-serial-options.html I would always follow the connection diagram as not all ports/UARTS are created equal and some things need DMA to work..

@RobertSmith-wj7zf Год назад

This video answered a lot of questions for me. Do you know if Mission Planner will ever have a native Linux version? It is unusable running under mono on Ubuntu.

@Painless360 Год назад

There are other options for pilots no running Windows. See the Ardupilot documentation... Best of luck

@mmmichatypeopositive3963 Год назад

Sorry for the simple question, on which Matek flight controllers can autonomous flight be planned? Can the F411 WTE and F405 WMN fly autonomously?

@Painless360 Год назад

Yep. Happy flying

@gearhead366 9 месяцев назад

I was looking for info on iNAV and Ardupilot. This video was VERY useful. My research is done. Thank you. I have been wondering why diy quads can't have DJI-like features. With Ardupilot, I see that they can, but most builders want to race or do acrobatics, so they opt for Betaflight. I'm glad to see that there are ways to get DJI-like features withouth getting locked into the DJI ecosystem. Sound like it's possible to build an almost-DJI quad with Ardupilot (and a lot of electronics). How good is the Ardupilot auto landing? I doubt I would ever get enough skill to land a FW in my front yard. There is enough space, but the yard is lined with tall trees. You mentioned that Betaflight provides a more "connected feel". Does that mean that iNAV and/or Ardupilot feel less connected? I don't think the kind of flying I want to do would benefit from a flight system with knife edge responses, but I don't want something with too much lag either.

@Painless360 9 месяцев назад

Ardupilot autolanding is amazing on quads and needs a little setup on planes. Betaflight is designed for racing and freestyle so tries to do the minimum so the pilot feels in the most control. Ardupilot, by default, does a lot more..

@gearhead366 9 месяцев назад

@@Painless360 thanks for the reply. "Ardupilot, by default, does a lot more.." This sounds like it just provides more aids than, say, Betaflight. Not necessarily more lag. Is that correct?

@Painless360 9 месяцев назад

Kinda. It is the difference between driving a go-cart and a fully loaded Tesla. ;)

@brocktechnology Год назад

Great stuff, very helpful. Say I'm looking at a particular f7 on a site that sells such things, how can I figger out if that's gonna run ardupilot before I buy it??

@Painless360 Год назад

As covered in the video, check the listing, ask the seller and check out the Ardupilot page... Best of luck

@brocktechnology Год назад

@@Painless360 Thanks for the response, Ardupilot"s hardware compatibility list focuses on the high end options and is terribly out of date. In my experience most vendors don't even have contact information let alone respond intelligently to questions.

@Painless360 Год назад

I use technology on the channel that I trust and have backup from vendors. I use the list on the Ardupilot site as the bible for support. Best of luck.

@lungomaburfpv1425 10 месяцев назад

Sir, I have AocodarcF4v2 & firware Inav 6.0.0 can not output PWM for Servo 3,4,5,6,7,8. At Mixer Airplane, which choice: Auto, Motor or Servo?

@Painless360 10 месяцев назад

Please see my INAV setup videos. I'd suspect that the outputs are not enabled or there is no power to the servos... best of luck

@user-cc9cu6mv7w 8 месяцев назад

Hi there, So I just bought an orange cube (fight controller) I have not tested this FC but all the videos I've seen they all use ardupilot. Would this flight controller work with betaflight?

@Painless360 8 месяцев назад

Ardupilot or PX4. See my videos on it.. Best of luck

@CrankyCoder Год назад

do you have a video on a good starter flight controller for beginners?

@Painless360 Год назад

I tend to use tried and trusted brands like Matek, Speedybee and HolyBro. Ones with larger pads for soldering are better for new builders... Best of luck

@shonnymac6862 2 месяца назад

Is ardupilot the choice for 3.5 " cinewhoop if I want stabke easy fight for filming?

@Painless360 2 месяца назад

I wouldn't imagine that is a common choice. Most would use Betaflight... Best of luck

@piconano 11 месяцев назад

I want to know which firmware can cope with a programmable routes of exit, using only the onboard IMU, when the GPS signal is lost. Or in case of an event on pinX, execute a script.

@Painless360 11 месяцев назад

Inertial navigation is an advanced feature and not one I use. I've seen work on it in the INAV project, but I suggest you check the documentation for the latest.. Happy flying

@rahadyanmuhammad271 6 месяцев назад

Hi this is the first time I wanna build Autonomous RC Plane. Do you know any tutorial for this build? I really hope that I can buy the exact same part to prevent any error Thanks

@Painless360 6 месяцев назад

I have both Arduplane and INAV for beginners series on the Ranger, designed for pilots new to the technology. Check them out... best of luck

@mlit83 Год назад

I have 3x Pixhawk v3.1 Pro Mini 's. I've done 133km with a WingWing Z-84

@benjaming9835 Год назад

Lee please make a video on how to setup betaflight 4.4 RTL.

@Painless360 Год назад

Thanks for the idea. I will add it to the list. If you want reliable RTH, then INAV still gets my vote unless you want to fly only on calm days ;)

@benjaming9835 Год назад

@@Painless360 I have ardupilot setup on most of my quads 4”, 5” and up. They all rtl v well. But I’m never happy with my tunes. But betaflight tunes just work out of the box, but rtl has ever worked for me?!

@serang Год назад

BF RTL is called GPS rescue for a reason. Last time I used GPS rescue it with version 4.4, a motor shaft bent 😂

@user-cp1cd7gu1o 9 месяцев назад

which one is better for ornithopters?

@Painless360 9 месяцев назад

No idea, I've never seen that in the info I've seen... Best of luck

@awuma Год назад

Have you used QGroundControl instead of Mission Planner? MP is restricted to Windows, whereas QGC runs on Linux (and Windows & Android). Since I use Linux on the plane, I prefer Linux on the ground. Is there a decent OSD (i.e. an FPV HUD PFD, Primary Flight Display) for QGC as in MP? The QGC developers rather strongly oppose having a PFD for QGC, on the grounds it's "too complicated for beginners", but a plug-in HUD PFD would be most desirable (after all, the WiFi-based OpenHD has one; have you looked at OpenHD?).

@Painless360 Год назад

See my Pixhawk series where I cover why I use Mission Planner in the videos aimed at beginners. QGC is often fou d on things like the AIO radios like the Herelink but higher end briefcase GCS units often use PC hardware and MP.. . Happy flying

@sergeyvas123 Год назад

INav also has fully autonomous flying capability.

@Painless360 Год назад

Sure can, not a patch on the capabilities of missions in Ardupilot. Happy flying!

@DigitalCruzer Год назад

I have a betaflight bug that I would like to report and I don't know where to do so, I built a quad for a friend and I was giving him my old Turnigy evolution Pro and have a fli14 RX that uses ibus only, the flight controller is a matek f411 mini and for whatever reason betaflight will not recognize the reciever, I flashed it to clean flight and it works fine. Apparently there's a bug with the new betaflight, I have not tried the older version of betaflight, I have also built dozens of drones and this was the first one that the motors started spinning wen first powering it, scary...

@Painless360 Год назад

If it works with an older version of Betaflight then it is probably more likely some setting you're missing. See my video on using Github to see how to report it.. best of luck

@BooFPV 7 месяцев назад

For fpv quads, iNav just doesn't perform anywhere as good as betaflight in terms of flight performance, responsiveness, control, etc.. there are noticeable differences in inav even if you get pids matched exactly. the navigation features are cool and i thought i would be willing to give up flight performance for the safety features of inav, but i was wrong. Plus if you don't have all sensors installed (mag, baro, optic flow, lidar), it just doesn't work well. maybe for an indoor woop or fixed wing it may be cool/worth it, but for 3-5inch fpv quads, betaflight all the way... and now betaflight comes with rth landing.

@gosurc1860 Год назад

Arduplane video idea. Failsafes. Is it me or does arduplane just RTL. It would be great to do a video on how to make arduplane RTL and land or something else. I can’t find any videos or documentation on it.

@Painless360 Год назад

Video on autolanding in the works. You can set it up as part of RTL as covered in the docs ardupilot.org/plane/docs/automatic-landing.html stay tuned!

@ozone9942 Год назад

How do you download ardupilot on a mac? Can't find the download anywhere

@Painless360 Год назад

Mission Planner is Windows only... Best of luck

@ozone9942 Год назад

@@Painless360That's a shame, was planning on building a vtol :( Appreciate the reply

@Painless360 Год назад

There are things like QGroundControl that work on non Windows platforms but I've found them less solid for setup and flashing. Best of luck!

@ozone9942 Год назад

@@Painless360 Will check that out. Thank you👍 edit: This looks way more streamlined than ardupilot, I would not have found this myself.

@moturcu4226 Год назад

Inav: easy to set up and clear 100% working. Ardupilot: hard to setup and complicated.

@Painless360 Год назад

Agreed, If you're not used to it. See my recent series where I cover all the basic steps and it isn't too tricky. Happy flying!

@iforce2d Год назад

It's a matter of knowing which settings are important and which you can ignore. These days with Ardupilot I can set up a new plane build in 30 minutes, and be confident enough to turn my radio off in the maiden flight to test failsafe, have done this many times.

@moturcu4226 Год назад

@@iforce2d I brought 2 cards Ardupilot compatible pixhawk and apm for fishing drone. I wasnt successful than i used Inav with no problems.

@Painless360 Год назад

Check out my Ardupilot and PixHawk for Beginners series... All the steps are in those videos. Arduboat is far superior to INAV.. Best of luck

@gosurc1860 Год назад

Someone should make an inav diff file to arduplane config converter. Even a complicated excel / macro could work

@tempacc9589 Год назад

Why no interest in px4? The Holybro x500 v2 seems to be based on it and it seems to be a rather big player.

@Painless360 Год назад

The content I, make is aimed at beginners and i have found that Ardupilot and Mission Planner are easier to flash, setup and get flying well. I'm happy to revisit PX4 at some point in the future but only wity support from the developers.. happy flying

@tempacc9589 Год назад

@@Painless360 I tried starting out with Ardupilot and SITL but am having tremensdous difficulty because of poor documentation and deprecated projects. Gazebo is not rendering the drone half the time and it's falling through the floor on RTL meaning I have to restart the sim every time I land because it can't fly above ground again. Dronekit being deprecated means there's no good alternative than the extremely syntax heavy Pymavlink. Ardupilot is a nightmare so far. Going to switch to PX4 with MavSDK I'll let you know whether the grass is truly greener on the other side or maybe I'm just a spoiled programmer that's expecting too much.

@YuriGlinkin-vl5ze 10 месяцев назад

Why did nobody tell me about ardu when I was trying to build an fpv long range helicopter?

@Painless360 10 месяцев назад

I'm guessing you're not a regular viewer! Ardu heli series coming In the fall... stay tuned!

@tk-maker Год назад

What if I wish to fpv freestyle but flip a switch it will do complex waypoints... I can't find anyone video of ardupilot for freestyle bando😂😊

@Painless360 Год назад

Ardupilot is actually very capable on 5" quads and used my some for racing. Video all about it coming soon..

@tk-maker Год назад

@@Painless360 😍😍😍 thanks, this is great news. I am so bored with betaflight

@Painless360 Год назад

How come, it seems to be the go-to for many pilots not bothered with GPS features...

@tk-maker Год назад

@@Painless360 I started with APM & ardupilot back to 2014 and stop flying any drone in 2017. My knowledge with ardupilot was limited up to that date. It is very capable of autonomous, auto tuning, sonar, optical flow, tons of flight mode and features (especially the follow me mode via bluetooth module & phone), And last year I am back to 5" freestyle, It was fun with acrobatic move but something just missing. betaflight is limited to freestyle. If ardupilot can do freestyle, follow me (like DJI mavic), autonomous it would be swiss army knive solution for me during travel. I saw Pawel Spychalski video inav's freestyle, looks great to me but I'm much prefer ardupilot.

@Painless360 Год назад

I see. Ardupilot is the DADDY for smooth flying, hours flown and extensive features. Stay tuned, the setup of it for 5" quads should be interesting..