Choosing Greens or Blacks - House of The Dragon 

It's so obvious that both were unfit for rulership. Rhaenyra is proud, vain, spiteful, emotional, and stubborn. Aegon is lazy, incompetent, indecisive, hotheaded, and ignorant. Viserys is to blame. His parenting is to blame. He never ever ever criticized Rhaenyra nor disciplined her properly for any wrongdoing, even when she sired the most obvious bastards in the Seven Kingdoms entire history, and he never ever properly raised Aegon to prepare himself for potential statesmanship, because he felt he would be betraying Aemma's daughter. Viserys it to blame. Good man, terrible king, even worse father.

The Greens didn't kill a sleeping child.

Me too, I blame Viserys for ALL of it. Daemon was right all alone, Viserys was weak.

Thank you for explaining that Westeros follows an absolute monarchy because fans are saying that Westeros is not an absolute monarchy, and some people are saying that the king's word is not law, which is dumb and idiotic. But the Greens would establish the male-dominance law and in the eyes of many they are in the right because they are following tradition, but what they don’t understand is that same tradition is why there was so much friction in house Targaryen before and after Jaehaerys’s death and Aemma’s death. It was the reason why Viserys wanted his daughter to be his instead of his son he did it all out of love and guilt. However, Rhaenyra’s claim was already challenged and questioned the moment Aegon was born. Alicent makes it clear as long as he’s alive he is a threat to her family and to her claim. Aegon is crowned as the king. He doesn’t see his three Strong nephews as a threat. He sees his two younger nephews Aegon The Younger and baby Viserys as the threat, and no matter what the Greens offer they will always find a way to go after her two younger sons they will never let her live in peace, which is why I agree that she needs to fight for her claim.

Thank u so much of the video. I only chose the greens because they know how to manage a kingdom unlike Rhaenyra given she gave the Greens 6 YEARS TO RULE. Rt for all her good heart says she will create a new order but does nothing to help herself, her children, her relationship and image with the people over the course of when she is named heir. 1. Has 3 obvious bastards 2. which weakens Rt claims n creates succession crisis 3. Supports a law that mutilates people( it’s TREASON TO TALK ABOUT MY TREASON) 4. Marries a man who was DENOUNCED as Heir which is the SOLE REASON y she was named heir in the first place. 5. Encourages her uncle publicly in FRONT OF HER FUTURE IN LAWS n help say that rumor was TRUE in episode 5. 6. Makes EVERYONE believe she killed her HUSBAND INCLUDING HER FOMER IN LAWS. 7 and 8 Marries a man who killed his FIRST WIFE AND IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE VALE WHICH IS ONR OF THE SIX KINGDOMS SHE WILL GOVERN N NEED SUPPORT IN THE UPCOMING WAR. 9. Didn’t visit her father for 6 years 10. Didn’t visit king landing for 6 years the place she will rule later. 11. Let greens RULE THE KINGDOM FOR 6 years 12. Didn’t build any alliances for 6 years on dragonstone. 13. trying to USURP THE DRIFTMART THRONE 14 and 15 last minute marriage proposals that were denied by Alicent and Rhaenys 16. Advocated for the torture of her brother in episode 7 17. Didn’t visit her father until she needed something from him a man who is loosing body parts by the minute. 18. Didnt know who her Allies were before she went to war. 19. Sleep with men knowing if they r caught they will be tortured n killed. (Criston +HARWIN) 20. Sent her sons REMINDER LETTERS to the LORDS SHE WILL NEED TO MAKE ALLIANCES 21. Offered NOTHING IN RETURN FOR THE ALLIANCES / EMPTY HANDS. Rt comes with to much baggage as an heir while Aegon faults are not publicly known and lets be honest Aegon will be doing what he and Rhaenyra was doing for the last 6 years lets Otto, Alicent, and the rest of the council do the work lol I would still choose Aegon because he can be manipulated by his competent counselors. Rhaenryra had the chance to build alliances but instead had to rely on her father to protect her from all the mistakes SHE made. I choose the side that will not destabilize the realm and that will respect the traditions and culture of westeros.....granted my choice would be Rhaenys over the horrible two choices of Aegon and Rhaenyra.

I support neither, targs were the worst thing to ever happen to Westeros. Their decimation was a massive net positive. Bobby B is Azor Ahai.

Does the king NEED to acknowledge that the kids are bastards to legitimize them? I would think that as king, Viserys declaring again and again that the kids are legitimate, and confirming the line of succession against all challenges until his death would be enough to consider them legitimized.

Personally, I'm Team Green because I despise the Blacks (R.I.P. little Jaehaerys). But I do believe that the audience can choose to be on whichever team they want. At the end of the day, it's their choice.

Gotta disagree here. Your 1st point about “fempowerment” from a fan base standpoint is however, spot on. It was the same with Dani. So many cheered for her simply because she was a woman taking down men not because she was particularly correct. Rhaenyra has that same type of support but…😂 Ultimately Rhaenyra is correct. You discuss whether she’s selfish, which she is, but that’s not the point. Team Green is also selfish. Stop for a moment and think, only Alicent is a diehard believer in Rhaenyra shouldn’t be Queen because she’s amoral & her children are bastards. Otto and the rest of the power behind team Green are more concerned with keeping tradition and keeping the Hightowers in power. These are just as selfish reasons. If this group would lose their power and influence if Aegon became king do you really believe they would still back the Greens? No, therefore their motives are selfish. And as for your “pony” comment…how is it any worse for Rhaenyra to want what was promised to her than it is for Alicent to want what she feels was promised to her side. Remember, she switched up only because she believes that Viserys changed his mind on his death bed and decided to name Aegon his heir. Why is it not selfish for Alicent to be willing to go to war for her “promised pony” but somehow Rhaenyra is selfish for wanting the pony she was promised publicly and multiple times. The selfish argument doesn’t hold water. Finally, your other random arguments pointing out Rhaenyra’s failings is fine as long as you also look at the failings of team Green. Such as the type of person Aegon is as a whole, the type of spiteful woman and bad mother Alicent has become and the complete shadiness of Otto & for having a ready made takeover plan setup. I think all of that balances out any failings Rhaenyra brings to the table and therefore we are left with the fact that throughout it all Viserys still chose Rhaenyra which makes her claim just and her side right.

I’m taking Shireen Baratheon’s view and not taking a side. “When people started declaring for one or the other, their fight divided the kingdom into two.” It’s crazy how black and white the fandom still sees this whole debacle and ASOIAF in general

Having to make a choice as a viewer is somewhat stupid, when the whole idea of the story is to show that both sides were flawed and had legitimate reasons to fight.

I'm on the team everyone always forgets, and the one that gets the worst of it in every war - Team Smallfolk. And in this case, Team Dragon, too. One of the most tragic aspects of this story is that this pointless power struggle kills nearly all of the dragons left in the known world. I'd rather keep the magnificent beasts alive than worry about who's on the throne!

People have an understandable aversion to the idea of Aegon as king, but the more you actually analyze the story, the more you see that the Greens are probably better for the stability of the realm, which should matter more than the who the "rightful" heir is.

I have to disagree with your Laenor point. They couldn't tell anyone he wasn't dead. That would defeat the whole purpose of faking his death. It was done so he could escape that life. Princess Rhaenys aka The Queen who Should've Been might have ok with him running off to do his own thing, but with how Corlys is about honor and Velaryon legacy, I don't think he would've been ok with it. I liked Leanor. I'm glad he got to go live his best sailor/pirate life. I'm curious to see how they're going to handle Seasmoke since his bonded rider is still alive.

The Wars of the Roses is more the basis for recent events in the GoT universe. Dance of Dragons is more like Matilda's claim.

To be fair, the dance of the Dragons is more inspired by “the Anarchy” between King Stephen and Empress Matilda. Not so much the war of the roses.

The show makes it clear you are suppose to root for the blacks. I would say that is one of my minor complaints about the show is this idea that it is suppose to be ambiguous who are the good guys ... for the most part it's pretty clear in that it is the blacks (again at least the show wants you to think that). Several members of the Greens are straight up Monsters, and even Allie the most sympathetic of all Greens literally drew blood on Rhaenyra before the war even started. Damon is the only possibly "bad guy" on team black, while team green has several. Besides people doing the "Well actually Little Finger is a hero" kind of click bait-y analysis, it is objectively seen as Team Black is who you are suppose to root for. Aegon is objectively a bad guy, he ignores and possibly abuses his wife, he raped a maid, he watches the children beat each other to death (and it is suggested some are his children). No one could see Aegon from the show and legit go "yep, that's my guy, he should be king." Rhaenyra is NOT great, she is the Westeros Karen, she doesn't show any real plan to make the Kingdom better, but feels she is entitled to the throne because her daddy promised it to her.... I mean he did, even if she is the rightful heir, in the words of GRRM.... what does that tell us about her tax policies? As a viewer of the show, I am reluctantly team black, but I know it's because the show wants me to be team black. If I was a citizen of Westeros, I would super not care, one stuck up dragon rider is the same as the next, maybe I'd be team green just because I was raised to think men are suppose to be rulers, but all in all, I'd just want food and to not get burned by a dragon. Who ever gets me that has my support.

I’m going to say this to correct you from early. Viserys actually was trying to change the precedent of male primogeniture to the iron throne specifically. In his conversation with Corlys when they discussed laenor wedding rhaenyra and who would rule after them, he specifically states that regardless of gender the firstborn child will rule.

The Greens would also further the Hightower and Maesters agenda of destroying dragons …. That’s a plot point missing here IMHO

If Viserys had named Aegon as his heir the expectation of being king would have been there from the start ,so Aegon might have taking everything more seriously and learned how to be a good ruler. Also he could have arranged a marriage between Aegon and Laena to heal the relationship between him and the Velaryons. This would not only prevented the War with Dragons but could have resulted in a peaceful kingdom.

@1:00 incorrect. Daemon WAS the male heir, by all rights, he should have been Crown Prince. But Otto hated him and pushed for Rhae... until he got his daughter in the marriage bed. Then became all 'by the blessed precedent of the sacred great council of 101...' because his grandson would be king.

I support Helaena

Viserys wasn't chosen as a king because he was male. His competitor was Leanor, not Rhaenys. Even in the show you can make an argument that Leanor would inherit the throne eventually.

none of the bastard points are relevant its not supposed to be obvious they are bastards thats the showrunners fault for making the velaryons black and giving rhaenys white hair

Slight correction at 7:18 you say that daemon according to tradition would take the thrown over rhaenyra, but as is shown with Alys karstark a daughter takes precedence over an uncle, so otto was in fact keeping to the tradition when he had rhaenyra proclaimed heir.

Minor note: in the show, Viserys was absolutely trying to change succession to favor the first-born child regardless of gender. He said as much to Corlys. And with that in mind, I have to disagree with your comment about which claimant would create a stable realm. Yes, the lords of Westeros will always prefer a male heir, but that's no reason to accept their prejudice and just roll over. If everyone acts as you suggest and only goes for the path of least resistance, the realm will never improve. Women would always be inferior, bastards could never get more rights, and the smallfolk would always be stomped on. Change requires a willingness to upset the establishment, and making decisions based on not offending people means that things never get better. Similarly, I think it's presumptuous to say that Rhaenyra being the heir is responsible for all the instability. Ultimately, the Hightowers, and her sblings, were the ones who chose to incite violence. People could be upset with her reign all they want, but if the prince they want to crown doesn't support them, there's only so much to be done. The war started because the greens wanted the throne despite Rhaenyra being heir, and they were willing to kill everyone to get it. That is on them, and Rhaenyra isn't to blame for not folding to their demands. Also, I just want to note that Rhaenyra's children are not known to be bastards. Sure, there are definitely rumors, and those rumors are making people talk, but there is no proof. "Just look at them" is not proof, and short of either Laenor or Corlys insisting they're bastards (as the man claiming to be their father and the Lord of House Velaryon), there's no way to really get proof. Yes, the rumors would likely follow them, but they would never become more than that. Keep in mind, the history books continue to call them Velaryons, lords they met had no issue making betrothals with them (Lord Manderly was fine with accepting Joffrey for his daughter, Cregan Stark had no issue with betrothing his son to Jacaerys' daughter, and Borros Baratheon was fine with Luke marrying one of his girls). So while yes, the talk would probably be irksome, it probably wouldn't lead to anything without the greens fanning the flames and trying to rebel anyway.

I’m just here because big dragons go brrrrrrrr 🙃🔥

Team Black 🖤

Team Green 💚

I choose Cregan Stark to rule.

I don't support the greens or the blacks. They are family, and they should be united. Targaryans are fighting for power. It makes me mad. Vicerys was a fool for not seeing what was coming. It cost the realm a lot. And about choosing someone good for the realm, Rhaenys would have been a great Queen.

I like the show (haven't read the books yet), but I disliked Rhaenyra from the start. She claims all this power and glory but betrays everyone around her, including her father, family and the realm. In any context she is unworthy to rule

Great video but, hear is the issue.The Faith of the seven! Why did King V not just have 2,3,4 wives then Emma giving birth to a son would 🤔 not be a big deal? Well, the Faith put restrictions on king .King Jaheryahas even (ended) the practice of first night cause the Faith and his wife.The king has absolute power... but, not his own army,not the head of his own church etc. The King is bound by feudal standards and customs (Andal inherentance) so he can't do whatever he wants and he knew that and may was worried about a dance happening early with house Valeryeron if he (took the throne from them again)😅.

Choosing blacks is like choosing stannis. Littlefinger: “And he cannot take the throne without your help. You’d be wise to deny him and to make sure joffrey succeeds…so it will be stannis and war?” Varys: “Stannis is a tried and tested battle commander and he is without mercy.” I followed stannis for claim but i knew he could neither unite the realms nor preserve it with justice alone. It requires mercy from time to time and understanding the game and the players than simply fighting and ruling.

0:38 disagree! Westeros as a single realm started with Targaryens, and as Jaeherys choosed Viserys as heir and then he did the same. 1:35 Vaemond has no valid claim to Driftmark, after Laenor lineage Laena lineage should be included. For example, Cersei is the Lady of Casterly Rock and not Kevin lineage

Well I wasn't aware of everything that was shown in Dance of the Dragons till this. Haven't watched it fully yet. Fair case but if I were someone in the Seven Kingdoms during this time I would have supported Rhanerya since that was the oath I swore. Still this shows neither her nor Aegon were qualified to rule.

People are team black saying that rhaenyra have won because daenerys it is from her bloodline and the prince that was promised, as if we did not watch game of thrones and danerys is killed, bran becames the king of westeros because of his boring story and aria kills the night king 😅😅😅 rhaenyra bloodline have ended in a pathetic way, it was all for nothing, the stark saved the world, not tbe targaryens.

I am going with my girl shireen i choose neither

You say the people would pick Aegon as their ruler because that's what they did in the great council but that doesn't mean that would just happen again here. Rhaenys wasn't made the legal heir like Rhaenyra was, it actually gives her legitimacy. Also, if you look at the war, most houses sided with the blacks anyway, so claiming they would not choose her in another great council doesn't exactly make sense and comparing this to the first one isn't totally fair imo

Why is everyone claiming that the Great Council of 101 chose Viserys over Rhaenys?! Rhaenys was NEVER considered, she pressed her SONS claim, not hers. It was NEVER her vs Viserys, female vs male, it was Male vs Male, Viserys vs Laenor. And there were more reasons for the nobles to chose Viserys then just 'but hes a man!'. He recently lost his dragon and was considered less a threat by not being a dragonrider, also his line was the most senior under saelic law, even under semi-saelic law and Laenor was still a child, also Viserys has established himself as mildly mannered, a great point of concern for the nobles after Maegors rule was still fresh in his mind, and his wife was pregnant, so succession was safe, the very reason why Jaeherys called the council.

Instead of killing each other the houses should have been able to vote .

Anyone with a brain: Start of the war: Black simpotiser Half way through: Team Smallfolk

Team green male promencalature set down by the great king jahareys himself who predicted house Targaryen will only destroy it's self

And if it's a question of legitimacy then name Aegon the 3rd king 👑

I would add the caveat that Rhaenyra doesn’t want to rule just to rule. She believes the Song of Ice & Fire prophecy and believes the Prince who was promised will come through her line. She said as much to Daemon. Ultimately, it’s about protecting Westeros and the world, not just gaining power for herself. Also I’m not sure Aegon would give more stability. Unlike Rhae who attended the council meetings and learned to rule, Aegon is largely untutored. At best he’d be a puppet to House Hightower, which would cause dissent, or he’d be an absolute monarch with no knowledge of how to rule.

Without the Green faction a rebellion would just be impossible, no one in the real would dare to go against a family with 20 dragons. If Viserys doesnt marry Alicent and remains alone until the end of his life nothing like a rebellion would ever occur.

Actually I have not made my choice. Both sides are so unlikeable.

Aegon being named heir would not have prevented the Dance of the Dragons it would only have delayed it. There were too many Targaryens with too many dragons, there would have been a Dance either way.

My biggest problem with the blacks and Rhaenyra is that she's a horrible heir, Aegon II is not the best but atleast he has Alicent and Otto and they know the realm politics and managment very well. Now Rhaenyra was the heir for the longest time, was never interested to have good relationships with powerfull houses and with her brothers and sister. Then when she was married with Laenor she never really tried much to haver a heir from him, the greens haver more security in that aspect Aegon as 2 sons and a daughter is line of sucession is really secure. And I could go on a on with this.

Ok, 2nd comment (supporting the algorithm here 😀) regarding cheating in royal couples. Yes, it's true, it is unfair morally, but on the other hand, there's an important practical reason why cheating Kings were treated with more lenience than cheating Queens. The theory is this: for a baby to be legitimate he/she needs the proper parents and only legitimate children should be considered for succession. When a King cheats, you see the baby coming out of the wrong woman, so it's clear that baby has no right to the crown. However, when a Queen cheats, it's harder to tell who the actual father is and this could give rise to succession crises/civil wars. I'm not saying it as an excuse for Kings, but it is something to consider why there's a difference in how they're treated. I know I wouldn't find it fun to die in a civil war just because a Queen fell in love with some guy and now multiple guys say they're the new Kings.

I've never ascribed to this whole Team green vs Team Black nonsense. It doesn't matter who we, as viewers, want on the throne. A wise fictional character once said "Whoever wins the war becomes justice"

The Blacks have the right to rule because the king said so, but the king was a fool by not ensuring that all the noble houses would once more see Rhaenyra as the queen after the birth of his son Aegon II. All the houses in Westero as a whole are already in a male only inheritance. For the king to change that and not continue to support it after the birth of his son cause the war.

I agree, it was all Viserys’ fault without a doubt. Awesome character as well.

5:39 I'll say it. No. It's either Mace or Renly. Yes, I mean the book versions.

I’m a die hard Viserys defender. This was not his fault. More blame belongs to King Jahaerys. The Great Council was a mistake. 1. He should’ve made the call. He could’ve easily crushed any rebellion and those would be heirs were fond of him. 2. The great Council not only set precedent of primogeniture, it also set a precedent for nobility having a say. This moved from King’s word being final to, well the king has preferences but he’s not infallible. 3. Aegon and his sisters were co-rulers, crowning Jahaerys was the first time primogeniture actually occurred. So to me, I think Viserys felt guilty about taking the thrown and saw Rhaenyra along with her marriage to laenor, being both symbolic and actual restitution, toward Rhaenys. He made his decision in the way that Jahaerys should have. But it was too late.

I am not standing with any of them. I only sympethize with Healena and dragons.

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I'm neutral on the whole Black vs Green conflict, but I will say this: the only character I can sympathize with is Alicent (and maybe Mysaria, although I'm not sure about her agenda). Don't get me wrong, they're all interesting, but not sympathetic. Alicent is caught between many rocks and hard places, trying/hoping to keep her friendship with Rhaenyra, trying to hold it together, although I assume she's going to adopt a more inflexible stance moving forward. This is something I really appreciate about Martin's writing: his understanding of historical tragedy, how events and other people can push you into conflict with someone you never wanted a conflict with in the first place. How you end up fighting against someone you never had a quarrel with in the first place or with whom sitting at the same table and just talking without others interfering, you might reach a peaceful agreement. And how events that didn't have to happen, that could have been avoided, did end up happening with all their terrible consequences.

Aegon in this show also wasn't raised with love, proper guidence or wasn't even prepared to rule, Rhaenyra was. Fault is on Viserys, but if Alicent and Rhaenyra better talked about the matter they could have find common solution after Viserys died. If only they were more honest with each other the entire conflict never would have happened

The green royal the black ops droll

When given the choice people choose wrong

Team Black 👑⚔️🐉 The king named Rhaenera his heir so that's what it is he never wanted Aegon to succeed him and sit 🪑 the throne 👑

Team Green. Sorry but Rhaenyra and her peoples have shown no sign of ruling competence.

Team daemon and aemond 😂💯

Both sides have merit. Thing is Blacks wouldve had a claim if the queen accepted that her bastards were bastards. Male kings had bastards and they didnt try to make theim heirs to big lands. Thats what infuriated the other lords to start a rebelion

Team green!

I think a lot of support for the Blacks is precisely because Rhaenyra is transgressive. She breaks every rule, and for entirely selfish reasons, and tells bald faced lies about it, even going so far as to demand a child be tortured, and let people be executed, for calling her out. There's a misplaced sense of "fempowerment" here and I say misplaced because it's completely amoral. I like that you led with the whole thing about Rhaenyra's sons being bastards, because that really is the clincher. Her father stepped on a lot of toes to make her queen but if she had true born kids, it would have been fine. A female heir is unorthodox, but not scandalous. Her father bent over backwards to put her on the throne and she squandered it. She completely failed to hold up her end of the deal, and even now she could just step down and let Aegon II have it. If she did she could still be on the small council or even Hand. But no, her father promised her a pony and seven hells she is getting that pony. It's still her being completely selfish.

Choosing a side is dumb. Esp the Greens. Like holy fk..Aegon is an actual pedi..smh

calling rhaenyra selfish isnt true she doesnt want the throne for selfish reasons while she doesnt want to break the wheel she does want to uphold aegons prophecy and is the best choice for that she says this to viserys "if you wish me to bear it then defend me" she doesnt want to rule she just wants to do her own thing and not be controlled by customs and tradition which is the opposite of being queen this is a buden she accepts for the protection of the realm and her line does go on to produce dany and jon proving she was the correct choice prophecy wise

I think Aemond should be king.. so team green I guess lol. Also the war was ultimately lost when the common people accepted Aegon as king, you're right they never would have accepted a female ruler without some type of rebellion which they do when she does try to rule, they run her out of the city eventually.

'I blame Viserys for all' - Yeah, sure... Father is too blame because he chose daughter as heir. Why not blame... let me think... system? Or Jahaerys who could chose his granddaughter, but was prejudiced towards women and left everyone in complicated situation? Supporting Greens is supporting misog777y. Period. As for Rhaenyra covering Laenor's escape - that is EXACTLY quality you would want for ruler - to be astute and cunning. Rhaenyra knows that what officially happenend to Laenor will cause people to fear to turn against her... yet people can only SUSPECT her, none is able to prove her anything, so she remains legally innocent. BRILLIANT move. And no - she cannot tell Corlys and Rhaenys. None can knows for sake of her children by Daemon.

Team smallfolk and dragons No to be real. Teem green. Not because Aegon will be a good ruler but the people around him are (Otto, Alicent and Aemond). Not the case for Rhaenyra (as we all know, Daemon will have more power than a normal consort and will cause another dance)

Team green

Team Green 💚💚💚

🤨😑 I’m team black because as much as I get the green arguments, at the end of the day viserys named her heir AND all the lords of Westeros swore fealty to her (even if they had no choice or if half of those who swore it died). Your last point well can be indeed moot about the greens creating stability when (even if we agree that the culprit of this was indeed veserys for being weak) they actually started the war with their coup and the killing of luke. Hell, when aegon was born Otto’s brother even planted the seed of discourse even if the other lords were bickering behind the scenes about a women on the throne. The legitimacy of Jace is another point that in the future can be addressed because even if he was a bastard, people know about Leanors preferences and how could it be possible for that guy to get it with a women after Jace was born and clearly didn’t resembled him? 3 was indeed a slap in the face to the whole look of the monarchy but rhaeneria was simply doing what viserys told her to do (in having heirs) but she was dealt a bad hand and had to do what she needed to do to have those heirs. If in season 8 gendry can be lord of storms end and even have a better claim to the iron throne than Joffrey and tomen (who was a bastard and even Ramsay Bolton be roose’s heir) why couldn’t Jace be king or Luke lord of driftmark? Driftmark is indeed a stretch but kings landing no as Jace is rhaenyra’s trueborn son. Another issue about a women on the throne is dorne. Dorne is the only kingdom that allows for inheritance of titles to women and (I’m not too sure here) they’re part of the kingdom, how could the fact of a women in the throne be a shock? And think about it. The great council was a pragmatic solution to avoid blood… BUT it also showed that the idea of a women not inheriting the iron throne was not a universally accepted concept because they had to let the lords DECIDE who will get the crown. Had that idea been out of the question, then, that council wouldn’t had happened at all and viserys would have been the heir or even leanor from the start. So a degree of mind convincing could have happened in letting a women sit the iron throne but (unless it’s in the book) we never would know if the decision was unanimous or Rhaenys claim simply was outvoted and viserys had a majority.

Hi my brother from another mother long live the green long live the green long live the king

Green💚

There's a line from Viserys declaring that Rhaenyra's kids are his trueborn grandkids. I know he knows their true parentage, so I took it as "don't make me say naturalized." After losing so many babies with his first wife and the wife herself, he's just happy Rhaenyra survived three healthy births. He has the power to pardon Rhaenyra and naturalize her children, what the realm thinks be damned. That would cause chaos, true, but he could do it. If Robert can pardon Jaime of treason and regicide, Viserys can do this. Since he wants to preserve the peace of the realm he's just taken a "The King is speaking, that's that" kind of tone with everyone. Is he delusional about it working? Yes. Should he have arranged his daughter's coronation and abdicated in the same moment he crowned her himself to avoid the Dance? Yes. Would it have worked? Probably still no, but Otto, Alicent, and Cole would have to STFU and chew on that checkmate before rebelling. Viserys also has the power to pass Driftmark to Lucerys. Not that he needs to since Corlys knows the kids aren't his grandkids and doesn't care. No one who's opinion actually legally matters cares. The blood relation issue was fixed with the marriages to Laena's kids anyway. For the people comparing Cersei's affair with Rhaenyra's, apples and horse pies. Rhaenyra is royal by birth and heir to the throne. Cersei is royal by marriage only. ANY kid Rhaenyra has is blood related to the King. Icky as it is to say, Cersei had one job, have the King's babies. The Greens are seizing on a law that wasn't written for this situation. Speaking of the law, making Ser Criston the Kingmaker a Dornishman was a silly change. Dornish succession is according to birth order and, according to Oberyn, bastards aren't hated in Dorne. Dorne had a Queen when Aegon the Conqueror came to Westeros. Also, honorable Ned Stark still made an effort to protect Cersei's kids before revealing the truth. I've seen the character and fandom Greens spit venom at the Strong boys like they were born bastards on purpose. I can say from experience, being hated for the circumstances of your birth can be traumatizing on an existential level. As for Rhaenyra's lie to Alicent, which led to the green dress, there's a little more to that. Rhaenyra was covering Daemon and Cole's butts with that half lie as well. Alicent damaged the trust between them when she didn't tell Rhaenyra about the plot to marry Viserys. I'd probably lie too. Looking at the notes Alicent and Cole have to compare, they probably believe Cole was the second man she bedded that night, not the first and only, and she then used Moon Tea to get rid of Cole's maybe baby. Neither of those points came up, but it's probably adding to Ser Criston's hate and disgust. On the boat, he was probably freaking out about the possibility of her being pregnant with his child when he made his honor centric proposal. Rhaenyra's lie covers Laenor's gay butt and Harwin's treasonous butt, admittedly not very well. Personally, I would have enlisted the help of a man from the brothel who likes both men and women to chipmunk a kid into me if I were Rhaenyra, but that's nasty, resourceful me.

Team green

Realm did not choose rhaenyra? Did not more than half the realm fought by her side?

Claiming Viserys is responsible for Dance, because he did not Aegon his heir is incredibly NARROW MINDING and misogynistic.👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 It's basically saying: 'we won't give woman her throne, because there could be unrest'. 🙄🙄EVERY social change can cause unrest. By thinking this way there will be no changes for better. And I am fully aware Dance is not about women rights - but even if Rhaenyra is not supporting women rights in 21st century sens, taking away her crown simply because she is woman is still MISOGYNY and should be called out. It is Jahaerys I that upheld this system - he is indirectly responsible for Dance, not Viserys. And Greens are ones who are directly responsible. There is absolutely ZERO justification for Greens action. If they let Rhaenyra to rule in peace and she turned out to be incompetent and they find more suitable heir - fair enough. But that was NOT what happened. They never let her rule and their own candidate was complete disaster. How could anyone defend them is ming blowing. 😳😳🤯🤯😆😆😆😆