Thank you for all the thoughtful explanation. So far it seems like videos from a Christian perspective are just totally against IVF. I appreciate you guys
Thank you so much for posting this. We have our IVF consultation tomorrow and it gave me loads of questions to ask our doctor. I'm sorry you have gone through this too. The Lord is using your situation.
Thank you 🙏🏾 we had our first appointment yesterday with our fertility doctor and it was a little overwhelming but good. I thought all clinics would be ok with the egg freezing approach but you’ve given me a question to ask them.
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2zz
What, feeling guilty? Did you pay scientists to create a human life you couldn't conceive with the system God gave you? Did it die? Did you have to pay them anyway?
@@xyz574 think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...211
I appreciate the video. It's rare to see someone thinks an embryo is a child and to kill an embryo is to kill a child and to kill a child is what the Bible calls ' murder ' . Let's call things for what they are folks. There are 2 things I am not to clear on. I watched a video recently from Allie beth and she interviewed Jennifer who heads up ivf ethics in San Francisco. At a brief moment in that interview the not so pro life Jennifer admitted that in your std ivf procedure a TON of embryos are thrown out in the selection process ( for fear they are defective or will not be good enough). I would love to get a figure on that. And so traditional IVF seems so much like playing God and so many embryos get frozen for eternity that it just sounds like murder. And it's great to see someone on the internet with the sperm production units large enough to call it for what it is: an abortion. One way to look at this thing of baby making is the ratio of dead babies to living one's. For example , does one baby miscarry for every 2 that make it? 1:1? OK, then how about that 'take' ratio in ivf case 1? And finally and most importantly what is the 'take' ratio for man made ivf version 2, outlined at the end of this video. For example, if playing God is 1:3 death: survival for the baby and natural is 1:2, then playing God and doing ivf in case 2 scenario is safer and better than doing things God's preferred way, the natural way and perhaps playing God is superior in God's eye than natural means, thus making case 2 ivf superior and less murderous, or should I say less involuntarily manslaughterous than natural baby making. If however, nature is 1:4 and version 2 ivf is 1:2 then that would make ivf version 2 twice as deadly as regular baby making, the same level of smoking crack while pregnant and not in line with valuing life. Version 2 ivf , is freezing egg only, then fertilize only the egg you want to implant.( I'm simply stating it for review , in case you are not following what i meant by version 2 ivf) If my thoughts are too offensive, or if taking a logical approach is too offensive, then it's more important ultimately that you let your feelings and urges drive you and not the Truth. ( I am speaking sarcastically). But it seems like all that matters is people's urges to have a child and not the truth. You have to ask yourself when life begins. Especially if you are a Christian. You just have to. I am sorry if I lack grace or if the truth lacks grace, but if you truly are someone who loves truth and claims to be a Christ follower, then you can't just lie to yourself regarding ivf just because you want a child so bad. Sarah and Abraham wanted a child so bad. Let us cry with them and encourage them to bend the rules. Now we have 911, Afghanistan and violence all over the world from the nation of 1.8 billion that came from circumventing gen 3:16 which says there is a curse on conceiving and bringing life in to the world, so that even the new testament says that the process of struggling through bringing life into the world will SAVE the mom, perhaps referring to sanctification. But lo, behold, the lord has created ivf in order to circumvent the curse which He himself pronounced. Now we have an easy shortcut. Do not be deceived. It is my opinion that God will not be mocked by Ivf. In conclusion, I'm quite skeptical on ivf version 2, some questions still linger. It seems as though if you want a baby, it is heroic and admirable to scoop up those which that have been in the freezer so long that they are in danger of the trash can. ( I am speaking seriously, I see a case for this because frozen life appears to be life to me). And I know you need a child so bad, but don't go outside the will of God like Abraham in order to bring it about. Believe God. Trust Him. Endure. Consider various types of adoption.
Thank you. I contacted an IVF clinic filled out 2 forms and I started to research IVF. the nurse said base on my history I may need donor eggs. This shocked me. Someone eggs being placed inside of me. I will continue to trust God for healing and a child
Natural baby conception involves dead embryos, miscarriages at day 1, 2, 3 or more and many times no one even knows there was a baby. I find ivf to be no more deadly than natural pregnancy, such as 1 baby from 4 embryos. Thoughts?
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2zzb
I would like to address those with severe genetic mutations. Surely there is something to say about God’s mercy for those that go through pain and suffering. For example doing IVF to prevent terminal illness for a child.
I was also wondering... is Oocyte Vitrification an extra cost? My clinic didn't include it in their information packet/videos. I'll have to ask them if they even offer it.
Thank you so much for this video. I don’t know what happened on your journey but have you ever been tested for MTHFR? It’s a genetic mutation that causes miscarriages. Easily remedied by taking a baby aspirin prior to and during pregnancy. Not many know about this. But there is always a chance that it could be the cause. Blessings to you !
We are in the early stages now. I am very interested to hear your views! Is the fertilized egg a life? If so and we end up with 6 fertilized eggs then what we do with those eggs is critical
IVF is not an option for christians. The fertilization of the egg made by doctors outside of the body, the selection of which and how many embryos to implant in the womb, the freezed or discarded embryos, etc... none of it is ethical nor christian, you'll find it hard to live with it afterwards. Check NFP (Natural family planning) for help with christian methods,, or consider adoption. God bless you and trust the Lord
Great video! We are leaning strongly towards IVF but went down the rabbit hole of the 'leftover' embryos. We debated donating to other couples but doubt they will give us the guarantees we want. We honestly didn't really think about asking to fertilize only 1-2 at a time. So now we have a long list of questions for our local fertility clinic and if they can't accommodate (I am sure they will FOR A PRICE) then we found back up locations. We watched a ton of videos and it seemed like no one else addressed the elephant in the room that you guys did.
@@xyz574 I have a great idea: why dont you mind your own business? Especially if you already have children of your own and dont know the hard years of trying to get pregnant naturally or with treatment or the long, hard, and no guaranteed expensive process of even considering adoption. Maybe God will send you a storm that no other Christian understands the grief you feel but you.
@@elizabethh6638 i didn't see the defense, thanks! It's funny how people with natural kids tell those who want to do ivf to just adopt. Adoption is a beautiful thing but not for everyone.
Option 1. Embryo adoption. Not likely, there are already 1 million in the freezer. Adoption for a unwanted baby.. but this is a wanted baby. Would be horrible for the child knowing what u did. Better they went straight to heavan, the same as a miscarriage.
IVF is not an option for christians. The fertilization of the egg made by doctors outside of the body, the selection of which and how many embryos to implant in the womb, the freezed or discarded embryos, etc... none of it is ethical nor christian, you'll find it hard to live with it afterwards. Check NFP (Natural family planning) for help with christian methods,, or consider adoption. God bless you
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...21
-If God's creative will is free, then: "God is not obliged to create every individual" and if that is true, no one or nothing forces God to create: *God freely chooses to create those he wishes to create, he creates knowing that some will be damned and others will be saved. God therefore has a free decision not to create those who he knows will not accept him, and yet, God wants to create them even knowing that they will end up eternally in hell suffering torment*, because that torment and suffering shows the glory of God, which is better than not create them and them avoiding the suffer with fire that never goes out. Just like God did not wish to forgive the angels who sinned and did not offer them redemption. God decides who He creates, who He saves and who He forgives and who He allows to suffer eternally everything emanates from God. God did not forgive the angels who sinned, but cast them into hell and left them in darkness, chained and kept for judgment. 2 Peter 2:4@@jjjxoxoxo
@@a.39886 21 million 'babies' per year die due to miscarriages. A mad man can now make 1 billion embryos in a Petri dish. Don't think it isn't already happening. Comment on this fact.
all theology believes that God knows the future unless you are implying that before creating God doesn't know who is going to heaven and who to hell? Predestination is on the scriptures@@jjjxoxoxo