Cielo Drive: The House of Love and Terror - Part 1 

Yes. They had Miss Tate wear a brunette wig because they didn't want to expose her just yet because they were going to make a film star of her and television was considered a less than media for someone they wanted to be a movie star. But they wanted to give Sharon some practice of her craft. Look it up. It's there.

Amazing - it was just 26 years ago but such a different time. Now everybody is so guarded, suspicious and closed off.

Irish ☘️ and last name Green? Fitting.

@@justinirvin5649 Shamrocks ☘️☘️☘️ for everyone!

1969 was a violent year in Ireland, I have read about Belfast calamities.

Wow. You were very lucky to have seen that house.

Probably needed lots of refurbishing Not up to code ? Didn't want a tourist destination ? Yes, what's there now Mc Monstrosity 🤺💐 🤺💐

New Normal: nah….. it was fine….. through the years it has been kept up, upgraded, modernized, at least for the most part. Not saying that it was “perfect”, but the reason it was torn down is simple, - the person who bought it was just wanting to maximize their investment by building a really ostentatious house. While the original house at 10050 Cielo was comfortable, and certainly was a large home, it was not what immediately comes to mind when one thinks “Hollywood movie star Mansion.” Although, it certainly could fit in and hold it’s own when compared to other homes of the area - the “Love House” was and still would be quite nice. What was unique about the love house, and it’s near Twin, 10048 which sits below on its own plateau, with its own fantastic view, is that they were built, specifically to complete one’s fantasy of a farm style home, yet include modern amenities that they did not have in the time period of which the style mimicked. It was, just like many other things in Hollywood, a “fantasy” Complete even with a sleigh in the yard; a wooden wagon, which really was a hidden incinerator; rustic wishing well with a covered roof top; country style split rail fence; shrubbery & greenery placed in just the proper places to make the illusion complete……. Now where else could you find such a house in glamorous Beverly Hills???? that is what made 10050 & 10048 very unique and special. On a separate note, has anyone else heard about Michelle Morgan’s , (the original owner of 10050) scary paranormal experiences at 10050, which prompted her to sell the estate? Many people do not know that the cul-de-sac that people call Cielo Drive, the portion that leads up from the main Cielo Drive to the gate at 10050, was originally just simply the long winding private driveway of 10050, just like 10048 has it’s own long private driveway. Portions of the original estate land had been sold, and the right of way given to those owners, allowing them to use the private drive also.

The mansion surprisingly was bought for only $200,000. I live in Los Angeles county and now, you can't even buy a house in the ghetto for $200,000. My parents bought a house in Huntington Park with 2 lots for $40,000 in 1974. I am glad they did.

@@eva5601 Sad. California real estate is way too jacked up nowadays. Wish i couldve been an adult with money back in the 60s and 70s. I wouldve invested in real estate left and right....in particular Malibu, Beverly Hills, Holmby Hills and Brentwood.

@@clemflynn7067 the house wasn’t worth much, but the land it was sitting on was. The owner could have kept the house, but likely it wasn’t worth what it would cost to update it, so what could he do but keep renting it out? That wasn’t where the money was. The way he could make the most was to sell the house and land it was on, and he made a nice profit, considering what he paid. I agree the new house is obnoxious, but that’s the way it goes.

Agree! I think the original home was lovely, modest and warm. You could really feel the love there. The structure that sits there now, not at all.

It certainly was a beautiful home, landscape and views. All the many photos in books and online I have seen BUT I would not feel comfortable living in a house where such terrible crimes had been committed.

There's a conflict about the home being torn down The new owner of the house wanted to wipe out any history connected to the house. The construction crew even took off several inches of the ground that the house was built on. The new owner did everything can to everything connected to the house. It was a nice place. The new house ifs a mostrstrosery.

It is. I’ve been to the property. The original home, while considered luxury, was actually modest and charming. Both of the new versions are eyesores of conspicuous consumption.

​@@HAllegraLansingOMG, the monstrosity that replaced it!!! You can't buy taste!!

Thank you! It is endlessly fascinating.

@@HAllegraLansing It absolutely is. Totally agree!

Wow, very interesting story, what a spooky evening that must have been to go there so soon after the murders. From what I've heard Rudi Altobelli , the owner may have still been living there at the time. I think I heard he cleaned it up and moved back in shortly after the murders, didn't have a problem with it, said it still felt like a peaceful place to him.

@@serenatwilite4005 yes it's etched in my mind forever.

@@serenatwilite4005actually Sharon tates dad was forced to clean the house after the murders. Rudy had the nerve to charge Sharon’s family for it!

​@@tinamarieg. I don't know why the owner of Cielo didn't replace the carpets. He could've afforded it surely.

What an absolute gentleman.

I thought of that too. There’s obviously something strange going on in that general area.

Sharon's Orb with her son Paul have been seen in that area.

That's the big "Taj Mahal" thing they buiilt afterwards, yes?

He posted a video last week of the Beetljuice action figures on his mantle. At one point, one of them falls over onto the mantle, then it looks like some unseen force is pressing down on it.

Maybe there's an Indian burial ground there that the houses are built on.

The LAPD were brutal towards William. He sued them. Unfortunately, he lost. In interviews with him later he mentioned that the whole experience had negatively affected his life, which led him to substance abuse.

Do you believe that Garretson heard nothing that night... as he has claimed? It is said that the layout of the canyon sort of "ate" sound... Yet I wonder how he could've possibly not heard anything. I suspect he heard plenty and it scared the living shit out of him.

davidlincolnbrooks Garretson apparently had music on - not very loud though but enough not to hear. Voyteck was playing music too as they obviously didn’t hear the gunshots when Steve died

Michelle was interviewed and you can locate it online. She said the house always seemed a bit spooky in other words , and she mentioned odd noises - !

You're very welcome!!

I agree - although the event where he showed up was on March 23rd, nearly six months before the murders. Sharon left the next day for Italy and didn’t return until mid-March when her film shoot wrapped. There was something about the seclusion of that home that made it feel safe and yet also attracted those killers. Very sad…

Your Candice/Sharon confusion theory makes sense…but for one additional fact: a month or two before the murders, Charles Manson phoned up Gregg Jakobson and asked him if Melcher had a green spyglass at his house. Jakobson told him “Yes,” to which Charlie said, “He doesn’t now,” without offering any further explanation. (The “family” had recently creepy-crawled Terry’s current residence and stolen Doris Day’s telescope…which, it is said, was subsequently used during “Black Panther patrol” at Spahn Ranch!) That event establishes that Manson knew damn well where Terry Melcher was then living-at his famous mom’s beach house in Malibu, _not_ at 10050 Cielo Drive.

@@ahcapella Yes - we know that Manson knew for sure that Melcher was no longer living at Cielo by August 9th. His targeting of that home seems to be for a couple of other reasons: it represented wealth and status and his exclusion from the opportunities he was seeking, and Tex knew the layout of the home.

@@HAllegraLansing Yes Manson knew the real house of Melcher.But because Melcher had previously lived at cielo drive i think Manson was sending a "message".{To Melcher}

Yes it was too secluded

David, I'd love to learn more about Rudi and your friendship with him. Please feel free to email me at themansonfamily_mtts@yahoo.com.

Mrs H ...David Say more about Rudi plz..He sounds an awesome dude 🇬🇧

Tell us more please

I corresponded with David for a couple months but sadly haven’t heard back from him in some time. I hope he is well.

I think Rudi must have had some kind of deep spiritual understanding that he could feel comfortable to go on living in his beloved home in spite of all that had happened there. I admire and respect him for standing his ground and enjoying his home, in spite of what others might have been thinking about him.

You took the words out of my mouth..so gruesome and vile and senseless! This case has stuck with me since I became aware of it back in 1994..just a 15 year old girl living in Sweden..I wrote an essay about Charles Manson and the murders and still to this day I am so intrigued and just disgusted with this case..I often think just how FREAKING TERRIFYING this would've been for these poor victims..omg I get scared just thinking about it you know?? And that young boy Steven Parent..what a horrible twist of fate..he was literally just visiting his friend for one hour and had one beer and that was his fate..he was probably thinking that he should've just stayed home..so horrific..ugh..i'm so sad about this..but still I can't stop researching true crime..even though it really upsets me..sorry for the rant..

Appreciate it, Joe!~

Italian as well.

Proof. Let's have it.

@@tonyii3818 Tom O’Neill’s book called Chaos.

Pretty sure there was a lot of people who knew more but refused to help.

@@ProudKansan08 no doubt.

I think a lot of their friends knew more than they were telling about Sharon and things that had gone on at the house. I think most of them were using drugs at the time and had drugs in their homes and really didn't want to deal with detectives snooping around. I think they were all afraid for their lives and afraid of getting arrested, who could blame them? It had to be a really spooky time for all of them. I think the biggest joke is the way Sharon's image has been so sugar coated over the decades out of sympathy for her. From what I've heard her pregnancy wasn't stopping her from doing her fair share of partying both here in the US and in Europe. I think both her and Roman put up a false front about how thrilled she was over the pregnancy and how "healthy" she was trying to be to deflect any suspicion if there was problems with the pregnancy, because I have heard from people that knew her that she was doing drugs in spite of it, due to being addicted, and that neither one of them had really wanted it in the first place. I was told by a friend of hers that she couldn't make up her mind about it, waited too long to get an abortion, and then decided that she was going to just not worry about it, thinking that all the drugs she was doing would likely cause a spontaneous abortion. I have heard she was addicted to heroin. When that didn't happen and the pregnancy seemed to be going to full term, she tried to come to an acceptance of it and get excited about it, but this friend told me that Sharon had complained to her that she hadn't felt the baby move for weeks and was concerned that it might be stillborn. So very different from everything we've heard about it in the media. She said Sharon was very concerned about her Catholic mother finding out that she might have killed her baby, that Sharon's mother was overjoyed about the pregnancy. With everyone feeling so bad about what happened to her, nobody was going to come forth and talk about something like that at the time. Her image has become so sugar coated since, and of course, Debra Tate is ready to bite the head off of anyone that says one bad word about her, and certainly nobody was going to bring up something like that while Doris Tate was still alive. I hope more info comes out in the future.

I'm so glad!

Appreciate that, Jason! I just love those pictures of LG at Cielo - even older she has such a wistful, romantic look

Very briefly - a few months we believe

I appreciate that Aaron!

@@sylvia810 Well, there's the Feng Shui of your interior furniture, yes; easily corrected. But what I'm talking about here is the (global) alignment of a house and its rooms-- its hard structure--- against the terrain around it. This is the hardest kind of bad Feng Shui to fix. It's what I suspect dogged the original Cielo address.

Yay! Thank you Andrew - glad you are enjoying it.

Thank you very much for that!

Thank you!

Thank you G!

@@HAllegraLansing I love the extra kernels of information you give.

The label "Manson Family" was a press creation. They never referred to themselves by that name. It could have just as well be referred to as the "Atkins family," or the "Watson family" considering that Manson was not physically present at the murders, but both of them were quite the active participants.

@@francisebbecke2727 MANSON WAS PRESENT & A WILLING PARTICIPANT IN THE LABIANCA MURDERS'!!!!MAY ALL OF THE VICTIMS'OF THESE EVIL,VILE DEMONS'BE WITH OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IN HIS GLORIOUS KINGDOM AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF THEIR LOVED ONES'!!!!MAY GOD BLESS ALL, MAY WE ALL STAND STRONG TOGETHER IN FAITH MANY PRAYERSNLUV WWG1WGA 👼👼👼✝️✝️❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🌹🌹🥰🥰💝💝💃💃💫💫💝💝💫💫

@@wendyladybug355laurie4 Just read about the LABIANCA MURDERS. True, Manson was there at the beginning, but left before the actual killings. Manson had a "talent" for getting others to do the killing for him, not that Watson or Van Houten, or Atkins needed much convincing. Did Manson ever himself kill anybody? Maybe not. But did Adolph Hitler ever himself kill anybody even in World War I? He was a messenger between trenches. Manson talked middle class young people into murder. Hitler talked a whole nation into murder.

We now believe Manson was present at the murder of Shorty Shea and perhaps participated.

@christohper Hi Dr. Christopher Johnson. I’m doing ok, been a little under the weather. Yes, that would be nice if we were friends. I’m originally from Georgia, yep I’m still a Southern Girl. I moved up to Cape Girardeau Missouri with my Mom about 18 years ago. I’m in the Southeast Missouri Part. I’m sure you have nice weather where you are? Thanks for taking time out to say Hello.

Thank you Steve!

Thank you, Chris!

Glad to hear it!

How do you know that?

Yes Tex had been at the house as well - don’t know if he lived there or not

@@georgialee6755 He lived there (staying with Greg Jakobson) in October and November of 1968, before Polanski & Tate took over the lease from Rudy Altobelli in February, 1969.

I have not seen anything to this nature. Deane Moorehouse stayed there for three days in January 1969 while Altobelli was looking for his next tenants. Tex visited the property on three occasions according to his own statements. Jakobson, I do not believe, ever lived or stayed at Cielo.

@@georgialee6755 where did you find that information

Wow, thank you!

Their loss is just heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing this. 💔

Wow. If only Steven hadn't met William Garrettson.✝️😇🙏

Will do!

Wow - would love to hear your memories about the neighborhood!

Appreciate that Tom!

Lose the droning four piano notes. Annoying!

Thank you very much!

You are very welcome! It’s fascinating history, for sure.

Anything you remember from the house that you would like to share?

I really appreciate that, Steve!

She actually brought a cat in the night of the murders

A little kitten that she was feeding with an eye dropper

A house won’t smell just because there are cats in it unless the owner is a lazy slob who won’t clean the litter pan.

@@sheenamarieragusa1105 Oh where did you hear about that ? 🙄

Thank you 🙏

@@HAllegraLansing no one else has ever told of the murder /susicide that took place there. no doubt that area is extremly paranormal active. check out the david oman house next to where the tate house was

@@frostedcherrybon thank you! ❄️🍒

Thank you Sarah! This story is still relevant with much we can learn from.

Interesting ~

It also means ' Heaven ' in Spanish.

Welcome!

Sometimes Steve Parent is forgotten because he wasn't a celebrity.

Thank you Debbie - welcome aboard!

WTF? Charles Manson and his killers are the SCARY ones not a bunch of meowing kittens!

@@denisewalsh6586 that’s a lot of cats to take care of. 🐈 🐈‍⬛

I wonder what happened to them. 😿

Welcome!

The fragrance connection was one I never noticed - thank you!

Thank you Jorge 🙏

Not for a few more weeks. I want to catch up on the docuseries first. The other videos aren’t as time consuming as the longer topics like that.

Amen 🙏!

I am hoping to do that - just worried it will be weird doing all the voices? I wish one of the dudes would volunteer to do Manson’s voice - every time I try I just sound like George W Bush 🤠

Manson knew Melcher no longer lived there.

Do you mean The Black Bride?🖤

I know this is going to sound very strange. But maybe the weird happenings and oddities several people experienced there including Sharon Tate before the actual murders took place, was due to not what happened in the past but what was going to happen in the future? Maybe there’s a portal or something in that area? I’ve heard of this theory before and I know it sounds unbelievable to skeptics out there but I’m wondering if there’s some truth to it. I know when Sharon was living with Jay Sebring when they were engaged she had a nightmare while staying in the house alone while Sebring was out working. What she described in the nightmare was like a premonition of what was going to happen to her a few years later at Cielo Dr. I know it really shook her up to say the least. Seeing your own death even in a nightmare would be mortifying.

Part 2 will be available VERY soon!

Think the owner lived there after the murders

Pretty sure Rudy outobelli lived in there after murders he owned the property

Rudy was friends with Olivia Hussey makes since also Rudy probably needed a good friend after losing Sharon

Olivia Hussey lived there before the murders. A few weeks after the murders, the owner moved in, and lived there for around 20 years. Strange that in all the interviews he has given, he never said anything was strange about the property, and neither has anyone else who lived there.

Working on it now!

Yes please share!

thank you! I hadn't realized it was the garage upper window and assumed it was from the loft.

Wow!!!

@@HAllegraLansing You are welcome!

It’s fascinating, right? I wish they kept the original house. The new one is just another crass Hollywood mansion. No warmth or charm at all.

@@HAllegraLansing it is fascinating and thank you for bringing this info to light. yeah, the house that is standing in its place, it looks out of place.