Cinematic Excrement: 2nd Look - Catwoman 

Halle Berry’s Razzie acceptance speech was the best thing to come from this film. Not only was it the most hilarious thing ever but she had a great message about taking criticism even if you don’t want to.

I have a theory about this movie: that someone wrote a generic script about Patience Phillips becoming a random generic hero, but they realized it wouldn't sell so just slapped the Catwoman name on it to try and sell more tickets.

I respect the fact that Halle Berry took that Razzie with honor.

Sweet lord, man. That’s more looks at this film than *ANY* human being should have to take.

I wish that they made that Catwoman spin off in the 1990s with Michelle Pfeiffer returning as the titular antihero.

You do *NOT* need to see Baby Geniuses 2. You already do so much.

I have to give Halle Berry credit for accepting her own worst actress award, that shows she's willing to laugh at herself. Too bad the Razzies have lost their way in recent years...

eartha kitt did an amazing cat woman.

I remember the conversation around this movie at the time was why female super heroes movies don't work. All the talking heads decided it was because the public was sexist and didn't want to see women in the leads, which is Hollywood's classic excuse anytime they f*** up and make a stupid movie that no one wants to see; "We're not sexist, you're sexist!" Instead of doing some soul-searching and asking themselves, "Why can't we write women well?" Batman stopped the Joker from poisoning all of Gotham, the Penguin from stealing an election AND murdering children, Riddler from stealing everyone's minds, and Mr. Freeze from starting an ice apocalypse. And what's Catwoman's plot? Inferior cosmetics. Aim high girl, aim high.

"Pitof" means "petit Christophe". It's the French equivalent of 'Lil'Chris'.

Sees a disaster, looks away, looks back - "nope, it's still a disaster".

That “I’m not a killer” scene fucking reminds me of the Batman collegehumor sketch 😂 “WHAT HAPPENED TO NO GUNS?!” “This is a gun?!”

For those of you who were curious, the movie that Angus Strathie won the Oscar for costume designing for was Moulin Rouge.

The Condiment king is far too good to even Cameo in this.

An episode that was released in the morning? A rarity

1:31 “killed by defenestration” is a great phrase.

To be fair Sean, Pitof was interviewed a few years ago and he agrees with your criticisms of the movie and his directing. His directing in Vidocq is much better (only $20 million), but he was in a comfort zone whereas working with Warner Bros on a $100 million movie was not, and he admitted he was "in over his head." Here's an interview/tweetstorm by one of the writers: www.thewrap.com/catwoman-writer-it-was-s-movie-with-zero-cultural-relevance/

Cat-ass-trophy? What timing! I watched your Catwoman earlier this week. *jumps into this one*

The fact we never got a Michelle pfeiffer Catwoman movie is a crime!

I remember in the original review, there was a commenter who wrote that they "really like this movie" and that "only a dumazz [sic] (you) would notice the mistakes" in the movie. Kinda wondering what happened to that person...

Not mentioning the Cat Lady played Arthur's mother in Joker?

Can we all appreciate that Catwoman came out the same year as Spider-Man 2. Which means, 2004 had one of the worst superhero films and one of (if not) the best superhero films (Also, I like Spider-Man 3 and I will FIGHT YOU).

Then again DC Comics management in the early 2000’s was really weird in general. Around the same time they had something fans called the Bat Embargo in which a character from the Batman mythos was only allowed to appear in one piece of media at a time, which is why Robin didn’t show up in the 2004 Batman cartoon until the original Teen Titans was cancelled, and the Timmverse versions of Riddler and Scarecrow were supposed to be on the Legion of Doom in the Justice League cartoon since they were on the original Super Friends’ Legion ,but that idea was shot down because they had each already appeared in the 2004 cartoon and Batman Begins. And why was that? It would apparently confuse kids if they saw the characters appear in different versions….no really that was the reason. Except of course if you think about for more than five seconds you’d realize that somehow Batman himself was fine even though all of the pieces of media I listed are VERY different and do contradict each other. And also the fact that kids are not stupid and can probably tell pieces of media apart. Maybe that was the reason why they couldn’t have anything from the comics in the Catwoman movie? I have no idea Update: just remembered that, she did appear in the 2004 cartoon so….probably Edit: somehow I overlooked some typos, especially weird since my point was that children WEREN’T morons

A new Cinematic Excrement that isn't uploaded at 3AM?! What new spore of madness is this?!

One of the most fascinating bad Hollywood films ever made.

That razzie speech was the only good thing that came from this film

White Chick's is my go to favorite guilty pleasure movie. "Hold my poodle" is my favorite quote from the movie......lol

11:00 Technically Hollywood tired twice if you count her role in Die Another Day.

The director of Transporter 3, Colombiana and the Taken sequels must have got his editing and camera work inspiration from this film.

I can't get enough of how specific John Rogers got with that one quote, what with saying Halle's outfit looks specifically like a *Quebecois* stripper.

I don't even want to know what Pitof would have done to Batman had there been a sequel to this.

"Why would anything need boob zippers?" Breastfeeding? Lactation fetish? A Free the Nipple protest? Teasing during sexy times? Admittedly pretty limited circumstances.

Venom is basically this movie done better, and that's only because the character actually does manage to resemble the source material.

TBF, didn’t Sharon Stone basically let go and let herself fall when she saw her messed up face? It was more a suicide.

I actually did see this movie once... on local television... at night... when I couldn’t sleep. Never seeing it again.

Pitof was a nickname. Short for "petit Christophe" (little Christophe).

At what point Warner Bros thought "Let's give 100 million dollars to an unknown french graphic designer"? Also, what kind of moron ignores notes from one of the writers (John Rogers) that says "bad, bad, very bad"? You better give that money to a junior film student.

Pitof almost directed another film, the unreleased multi-million dollar attempt at a Chinese blockbuster Empires of the Deep. It was finished in 2014, but a trailer screening went bad and many people were unpaid. It's kind of fascinating to read about if you're interested. The only other 2004 film worse than Catwoman for me was Shadow of Fear, an extremely boring movie starring James Spader. Honestly it should be easy to make a Catwoman movie, just do a heist film in Gotham City with a bunch of Batman villains. Do Heat, The Italian Job or Rififi but with Catwoman

It comes from "Petit Christophe" (little Christoph) shortened to Pitof. A nickname from school.

Oh no.... the next movie is gonna be painful.

Oh God!!! Oh god, oh god, oh Jesus Of Nazareth!!!

I was hoping you'd show the hilarious video of when Halle Berry first revealed the Catwoman outfit on Oprah and she had to pretend to love it and act like it was female empowerment.

Time for the remix. (5 points if you get that reference)

Quick answer as to if the Razzies ever meant anything: No. They were never meant to mean anything. The problem is that people take them too seriously. I like this project, but it's only proving that point.

You forgot Pitof directed The Die Another Day video by Madonna.

No Sean, it's not supposed to be Vancouver, Vancouver never plays Vancouver.

She got around that corner by teleportation.

Sean, make sure you include Jenny McCarthy's anti-vaxxer stance in your Dirty Love review. That's a goldmine for a lot of jokes.

Second look? Well damn, I guess I will take a second look too.

Something I barely see get brought up in regards to this movie is how the villain's endgame revolves around cosmetic products. It was silly when the Joker did it in the first Tim Burton Batman movie, too, buy it fit with the style that Burton created. Here it's just... dumb. Anyway, for a good Catwoman movie, I recommend seeking out the eponymous 2011 short which was made as a companion piece to the DCAU's Batman: Year One. Eliza Dushku voices Selina in both. And, of course, if you want more Catwoman material, don't forget to either (re)play Batman: Arkham City and/or (re)watch Batman Returns and The Dark Knight Rises. Regardless of how you feel about the latter, it's far, FAR better than this.

Man, you're going to be doing "2nd looks" for nearly all of the 2010s film. You've already review Best Picture winners for 2009 (Revenge of the Fallen), 2010 (The Last Airbender), 2011 (Jack and Jill), 2012 (Breaking Dawn, part 2), 2014 (Saving Christmas), 2015 (Fant4stic and 50 Shades of Grey), 2016 (Hilary's America). The only 2010s ones you have left to actually review is 2013 (Movie 43), 2017 (Emoji Movie), 2018 (Holmes & Watson), and Cats (2019).

The nickname thing is probably just something silly that stuck. I remember one of my Dads friends was called Pizza. One day i found out it was because he had AWFUL acne as a teen so he got called Pizza Face which then got shortened to Pizza. This man was now over 40 and still reacted normally to the name, it wasnt said as a mean thing or anything anymore, it was just the name people knew him by.

i like how Warner Bros couldn't get Jean-Pierre Jeunet or Marc Caro to direct this movie (if they did, it would've been messy, but it would've been oh-so-gloriously fun), so instead they got their visual effects supervisor.

I don't think Selina really died in the beginning of Returns. If you remember, she crashed through about four awnings that cushioned her fall and knocked her unconscious. The cats crawling around and biting her woke her up, but, in a sense, she was resurrected.

I enjoyed that he ended the episode promoting his next review by moving the Dirty Love dvd up so persons can see the dvd, and him saying the words “Next Time.”

You’ve reviewed two movies about cats on this show (the other being The Cat in the Hat). Now all that’s left it Cats (2019).

I remember seeing a pic of Berry as 'Catwoman' in a newspaper and thinking it was related to the upcoming Batman reboot aka Batman Begins. In fairness I was a kid at the time. Of course they were two separate projects and couldn't have been more different in tone and quality...

I still like this film. Call it guilty pleasure. Of course I have no idea about the actual comics, so I have no prejudice. Btw, if that's the Merovingian, this is a version of the Matrix?

For the record Groot's 1st publication was in Tales to Astonish #13...November 1960... your talking tree was in Marvel comics since before you or I was born. Rocket Raccoon? 1976...the MCU didn't just dream up these characters yesterday.

you've posted this review on my sister's 30th birthday!

Halle Berry does have a cracking pair of norks, though

I knew it would be bad when the costume was 'leaked' to the media and people thought it was fake.

Super Baby Geniuses 2 is so much worse than the first one. Trust me, it's a different breed

I swear In the scene that explains the side effects of the skin cream you can actually see the outline where they cut out the green screen around the actor. It could just be the lighting but I´m confident it isn´t.

I remember when this came out, there was actually a video game tie in. Yes, there was a video game based off CINO...... And apparently it was just as bad as the movie, with one game magazine actually saying that it might be WORSE than the actual movie.

Why would someone have boob zippers? Nomura: All the ZIPPERS

Yeah White Chicks isn’t good, but it did give us Terry Crews singing a thousand miles shaking his head to the violin strings

One of the best things to come out of this movie is Mick LaSalle's absolutely glowing review of it.

Eagerly anticipating to hear the next CE which is Dirty Love.

#JusticeForSassyGayFriend

What to watch when you had a shitty week and your front tires blow out and your surgery wound opens? *Shaun upload* Yup!

All I can say is thank god for Wonder Woman

I laughed out loud after I read The movie reviewed in this video is a CAT-astrophe.

14:50 TBF she did offer the somewhat heroic *"Take My Hand!"* cliche (depending on which version you watched) which by Hollywood logic absolves her of any wrong doing but ehh... Movie got to movie.

CINO as SINO? Would it not be pronounced Kee-NOH? She’s Catwoman not Satwoman. Lol

@Cinematic Excrement Recommended reviews. Clash of the Titans (2010) Immortals (2011) Wrath of the Titans (2012) 300: rise of an empire

Part of me really wishes we could have seen what Tim Burton's Catwoman movie would have been like.

Your Razzie reviews are fab !

Next up, Dirty Love, yet another Razzie Winner that I've never heard of before the worst picture project began.

Pitov is a Macedonian surname. V's at the end of words are pronounced like F's in most Slavic languages.

Didn't they try "Halle Barry Action Star" twice? The other one being Die Another Day...and they were thinking of spinning off the character into her own movie?

Catwoman is 1 of the greatest unintentional terrible movies.

Your indeed a brave man I saw cat woman once and I still recovering from the trauma of it

I never caught this, because I only saw a couple of clips of "Batman Returns" and am not a comic book fan, so I have no idea if this was taken from the comics. They actually named Selina Kyle's boss after the actor who played Count Orlok in "Nosferatu"? I know "Schreck" means "scream" in German (unfortunate for the real-life actor), but come on.

I saw CINO once years ago and I barely remember any of it, thankfully.

My man...you get some serious points for using "defenestration" in reference to anything OTHER than effing GOT.

If anyone is wondering if John Rogers can write a better story about a crazy woman whose hobby is burglary look up the shows Leverage and Leverage Redemption for one of my favourite characters of all time, Parker. She's a skilled thief, has some funny lines, is pretty much insane and what this version of Catwoman should have been.

"This is Patience. She is about to turn into a bad version of Catwoman. This could have been avoided if she had a sassy gay friend who had more than two lines."

@Cinematic Excrement To answer your question whether or not to it could have been better with Michelle Pfeifer, Yes, Yes it would have. But, here's how it would have worked with either her or Halle Berry. 1. Set it in Gotham and incorporate natural references to the Batman mythos. 2. Instead of the two clowns being the villains, it's painfully obvious that at some point someone in the writing process wanted a Batman villain to be in this film. Who in question: Black Mask. Think about it, Black Mask is the head of a cosmetics company called Janis Cosmetics, he is obsessed with masks and faces and the symbolism both represent, he's the head of a crime syndicate called the False Face Society and he uses medieval torture methods on his victims. Although that last part may have made the movie R rated. I also say Black Mask as he was written in the comics would have made the film a little better, since he does have a history with Catwoman. The Gotham City Sirens storyline comes to mind. If they wanted to have the "commentary " around beauty and appearances they could have used Black Mask for that or just make an original super heroine film using that as a satire.

This a definitely a gay classic. The gays LOVE this movie. The costume is a serve ngl

Michelle Pfeiffer is the best catwoman. I remember when this came out! I didn’t like the haircut for Halle. I wasn’t surprised it sucker.

18:20 Given the Razzie's have taken back some awards and nominations due to backlash [Bruce Willis, Shelly Duval, Ryan Kira Armstrong] maybe they can get rid of some of there other nonsense like Britney, Jake Lloyd etc. while there at it.

Oh boy, this is good.

Catwoman is a consistent entertaining embarrassment.

I'll bet they picked Britney Spears for Worst Supporting Actress cause they couldn't pick her cause they picked Madonna for 2002's Swept Away when Crossroads came out.

John Rogers is an amazing comic book writer. Just throwing that out there.

Yey I actually am free when you uploaded

I kinda love this movie for being so ridiculous. Also, I don't think Halle Berry deserved the razzie for this. Given the material, literally no actress would've made this work

Once he hits the 2010's he's basically done. He already reviewed the films from 2010-17. But it might be nice to get a second look regardless.

The whole villain concept of "a bitter retired model launches a cosmetic product that ruins people's appearance" is ridiculous. It makes the movie feel like a parody, am I watching Kim Possible or a supposed Batman spinoff?