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Citrinne is BROKEN! Maddening Thunder Nuke 

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This was mentioned in my comments and I have seen Dire Thunder builds so I decided to try it on my 5th Maddening run and it performs very consistently. There are some downsides like low overall SP generation due to being stuck on a bond ring, and the lack of emblem abilities.
This is with no DLC/base game no XP/SP farms or exploits outside of the creation of the Dire Thunder Ring.

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@BookofAeons
@BookofAeons Год назад
Take me down to One Round City where the crits are big and the xp flows plenty!
@raikaria3090
@raikaria3090 Год назад
I used Ike Thoron. Citrinne literally had 0 speed due to the weight.
@AshenDust_
@AshenDust_ Год назад
Getting doubled by Generals doesn’t matter when you get one-shot anyways
@chavaspada
@chavaspada Год назад
Sounds like a good candidate for Hector's Heavy Blow which converts weight into Mt.
@joti8791
@joti8791 Год назад
Pandreo looks kinda sexy in it, not gonna lie
@michaelpaul92
@michaelpaul92 Год назад
glad it wasn’t just me
@malcovich_games
@malcovich_games Год назад
The obvious followup to this is Citrinne w/ Mae + Thoron. Vantage and/or Bonded Shield.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber Год назад
This, especially since enemy res in Maddening starts to ramp up to a point where one big hit ends up becoming more worth using than two medium hits, just because the Res stat applies heavily twice. However, on Citrinne, she’s going to have that Olwen ring over Mae’s for a long time.
@jerrytealeaf
@jerrytealeaf Год назад
6:30 I think the reason the RNG works this way is because they wanted Time Crystal uses to not reroll things like better level ups or crits. They reused the same RNG system for bond rings so you can't just reload saves and get different rolls and the fact that you can manipulation the RNG for rings by entering maps was an oversight IMO
@feripuu
@feripuu Год назад
Citrinne can also change to Bow Knight in endgame to kill flyers with Radiant Bow +5
@justchica3243
@justchica3243 Год назад
This reminds me of three houses 0% which completely threw keeping up with enemy speed out the window and focused on characters that had guranteed ways of doubling like Shamir, Cyril, Sylvain, Seteth, and Ferdinand
@AshenDust_
@AshenDust_ Год назад
That’s just every 3 Houses run though
@xDarkVodka
@xDarkVodka Год назад
I love you videos! Btw, I’d really love to a video about openings. Keep up the high quality content!
@hallowedsparrow9432
@hallowedsparrow9432 Год назад
Citrinne is one of my favorite characters I'm glad you took the time to run this build on her. On my frist run I wasn't super impressed with her as a normal sage, but her supports won me over. On my second maddening run now and this dire thunder build has done wonders. The only draw back is that it's a pain to get her SP for skills due to the 1/2 rate of sp gain on bond rings.
@whitewolf3051
@whitewolf3051 Год назад
Well, being able to double at a really safe distance, or the benefits of emblem rings being a toss up is what makes builds likes this worth while.
@michaelpaul92
@michaelpaul92 Год назад
this seems like it’d be fun to use :) I didn’t want to bother with the ring save scumming, but I’d be down to try it this way
@ArikGenerick
@ArikGenerick Год назад
Citrinne is one of my fav units to use, she really carried me on maddening with her thunder and thoron pokes on bosses and strong units with 1-2 range. for wolfknights and swords master I've found thoron with the Erika engrave gave me close to 100% hit. thanks for the video though gonna try a Ike thunder erika thoron kit next time I use Citrinne on maddening
@jasonyarnell4602
@jasonyarnell4602 Год назад
About 70% through my second play through and decided to just roll for the Olwen ring. I had at least 30k bond fragments, so it was no big deal to spend over half of that to collect and merge the necessary rings. My Citrinne is now INSANE. She deletes anything on the map. So much fun to use, 10/10 recommend.
@zachricca4546
@zachricca4546 Год назад
The world isn't ready for stripper Pandreo, but he's ready
@Musicvayle
@Musicvayle Год назад
Citrinne is like 3H lythisia in that she has stupendous magic growth but will die to someone looking at her wrong. It would of been more optimal with Anna but I gave her byleth and speedtaker and she was an absolute hard carry nuke even to the final map
@ino_mation
@ino_mation Год назад
Your Anna build sounds a lot like what I did with Lindon, literally just gave him an Elsurge tome with a Corrin engraving and Byleth, doesn't even need to be Elsurge, though it's the only tome with extra Crit to fit Lindon's personal. Do that, and he is a 1-3 range Elsurge crit machine who takes hits and delivers crits in return with Wrath, and Lindon is free compared to Anna.
@amadoromero4823
@amadoromero4823 Год назад
Didn't even think about using thyrsus with Elsurge. That's crazy lol
@NickTsang583
@NickTsang583 Год назад
Citrinne is slept on imo. I'm using her for my Maddening Ironman and am personally running Thoron with Leif refine for very reliable, high damage that never misses. I also equip Corrin on her since those stat bonuses compliment her very well while also enabling a 3-range Draconic Hex/Dreadful Aura spam.
@xRawrC00kiex
@xRawrC00kiex Год назад
Dire Thunder Citrinne was probably the main reason I was able to take down the 4 Hounds on Chapter 11 Maddening, it did a good chunk of damage to them even if they were super overpowered at that point in the game
@whitewolf3051
@whitewolf3051 Год назад
But getting Olwen bond ring S with Dire Thunder isn’t easy. I had to create and meld several lesser bond rings before getting S rank ring. Still worth it though.
@stephenlee3193
@stephenlee3193 Год назад
Citrine dire thunder was basically one rounding til the end of the game. I did need some extra help from chain attack or Alear/Veyle's personal for some enemies. Her accuracy against most normal enemies by end game was around 85%. That was even after I spent her precious sp on tome precision 3.
@wingofshu
@wingofshu Год назад
i got lucky with the lilina tier 4 ring(20% to all fire line tombs) and that ring too is doing work in general and the edelgard ring freezes percent based on damage delt, so perhaps a video on all the created rings with good abiltys?
@sharkwang1542
@sharkwang1542 Год назад
I got up to the chapter where they take all your rings on hard, and decided to start over on maddening lol. This build looks great for it, at the very least I’m looking forward too it. Edit, I was going in blind, and still want the other half to be blind so if they get taken again don’t tell me.
@thecupismine
@thecupismine Год назад
It’s super easy to get this build to have canter before chapter 10 now with the well changes, which makes her even easier to protect.
@FenixPlateado
@FenixPlateado Год назад
My citrine was 1 rounding basically everything up until like chapter 18 or 19 when she started to maybe not 1 round some things but she still was by far the unit that got the most maps in my maddening run.
@evrys3221
@evrys3221 Год назад
If you don't want to be cheap and use Dire Thunder, she works well with a Hit Engraved Thoron w/ Corrin Ring. The added HP is nice because she is quite frail, and since Mystics get Fire Dragon Vein, along with the fact that she can engage and lock down units from far away, debuff them, and also doing a ton of opening damage, she has INSANE utility. I also run Canter on her to ensure her safety even further.
@razorsharp5643
@razorsharp5643 Год назад
I think both Citrinne and Amber are in the same camp; underutilized atm, but have great potential. Amber as a pure STR unit, and Citrinne as a pure MAG unit. For Amber, you can do a Brave weapon with Ike engrave or just go Halberdier. For Citrinne, this Dire Thunder build or strong enough magic to nearly one-round a unit.
@gabrielraposo1466
@gabrielraposo1466 Год назад
Just finished my first maddening run today and I can gladly say that Dire Thunder Citrine and Killer Axe Panette were my MVPs during the whole run They simply deleted anyone in one round
@mapledaz3353
@mapledaz3353 Год назад
i think the build is s tier as it really makes her a differnt monster. also its not hard to switch her off thunder and give her a light wind tome to prevent doubles. she does not really fall off causein madding mode i find that a lot of units start having trouble doubling but with this build she doesn't. canto makes her even safer to use and if you give her anima focus she can help save units by lowering the targets hit if they live also resonate or magic +x is great on her since she will always double
@BlackGulchSaloon
@BlackGulchSaloon Год назад
So far I'm at chapter 18 of my maddening run and Dire Thunder Citrinne has hard carried me more so than any other unit. I also just recently finished all of the divine paralogues which have roided out enemies, reinforcements, and bosses. They felt like a nightmare to do and without her I would have been up shit creek. On top of that, with a little bit of warp and rescue, she helped me wipe out those insufferable snot nosed thieves in Hector and Soren's paralogue before the end of turn 1 lol. I call her mommy now.
@raymondheron1223
@raymondheron1223 Год назад
Can’t wait to test if it’s 3k bond fragments haven’t been able to test this build out because the “fake” rng never was on my side and I hate resetting
@cyrleaozora4173
@cyrleaozora4173 Год назад
She will realistically have around 31/32 magic by chapter 21+ if you promote her early(like 10mage and 20sage) Dire thunder and +5 thunder tome with Ike engraving it will reach 13Mt making her reach 44/45MTK without any statbuffs which brings her to below one shotting alot of enemies around chapter 21(like 5-15 hp off depending on which ex. the armors at the start is left with 5 hp with 45MTK). Keep in mind this is without any buffs like food/tonic/alear passive/sage passive and each point of magic/flat damage is multiplied by 2. Feeding her spirit dusts makes her clear that threshold much more easier and you can also permanently use her in Arena as you don't need to mind her sp gain much because after getting canter she will be good to go so her levels would probably higher than the one I calced above. Imo she's great in the chapters 9-18/19 where you have limited amount of emblem rings to dock out to your full party and her being able to function well without it is certainly a boon so your other members can gain more SP while leveling so if the trick to get the olwen ring is true then she's definitely a good unit to use early. edit: I feel like the level range i gave her is so low that she should be able to one shot the armors at 10Mage/20Sage/5Sage which is within realistic level range by that point.
@incognitoburrito6417
@incognitoburrito6417 Год назад
I'd like to recommend another bond ring to give a shot. From Celica's pool, the Mae "great thunder" bond ring is great. 20% boost to any thunder spell, including thoron. That plus vantage is my Anna solo skirmish build. Not sure how it holds up in maddening, I expect not quite as well, but still quite fun if anyone wants to give it a shot.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber Год назад
Enemy res is higher in Maddening, so I’d say Great Thunder outscales Dire Thunder after a bit. I give it to Ivy because her middling magic means that she doesn’t make that good use of double Thunder, and a forged Thoron backed up with flyer Momentum can bust enemies wide open. And no, I don’t use Lyn on her. Her luck is so low that any time she brawls with another unit puts her at risk of getting crit.
@incognitoburrito6417
@incognitoburrito6417 Год назад
@@ThisIsntARU-vidr ohh ivy plus great thunder and momentum has me intrigued. Ivy has never been a powerhouse for me so that extra bit would help, and tbh anna is good without it as well.
@alexisdipoalo9443
@alexisdipoalo9443 Год назад
This is the build I used and given by chapter 16 I was hitting 60+ damage I think it's overall better than fire thunder
@anigmatic2949
@anigmatic2949 Год назад
The second time i got Leif I went to Byleth’s paralouge, left then created 1 ring to get it lol.
@jackmanleblanc2518
@jackmanleblanc2518 Год назад
Canter+ and Holdout are probably the best skills for her. Haven't tried it yet, but it sounds pretty sane. She can get out of danger pretty easily with Canter+ and Holdout allows her to tank a single enemy just in case. Since she'll be one rounded anyways the lowest tier of Holdout will be more than enough.
@sleepyinsomniac0507
@sleepyinsomniac0507 Год назад
getting canter is already hard let alone Holdout, considering her using bond ring which only gives half SP for most of the game
@jackmanleblanc2518
@jackmanleblanc2518 Год назад
@@sleepyinsomniac0507 I don't remember how much the cheapest tier of Holdout costs but it should be doable. Canter I don't care about getting it early game. She should have enough SP to get it by the time you get Sigurd back after chapter 17 right? But yeah, the slow SP gain of a bong ring when compared to an emblem ring really sucks. I think it was a bad decision.
@SgtGrub
@SgtGrub Год назад
So I happened to be right at Chapter 8 on my Maddening run when I found this video and decided to give the method you mentioned a shot. I had only pulled one 10 pull of rings before this run, but I worked! Kinda... I got it in 4 pulls, not 3. Idk if you had just done two 10-pulls before this, which maybe pulled the counter down? Idk, this could just be pure anecdote since I didn't get it in 3 like advertised, but I figured I'd let you know that it did indeed work.
@Demonic0Jester
@Demonic0Jester Год назад
is it possible to quad with dire thunder if you had the speed the way brave weapons do ?
@sicsempertsundere993
@sicsempertsundere993 Год назад
Just tried the Olwen tech. I only had to roll once after Leif’s chapter. Seems consistent. Just make a save as soon as you end the chapter.
@chavorrukin
@chavorrukin Год назад
I'm kind of a noob at this, but you need the S tier Olwen ring to get the skill right? I only get a couple of C tier rings. Is there something else I should be doing?
@Keykey70
@Keykey70 Год назад
hold out and vantage could probably work pretty well too so she can take a deathblow and then anything that attacks her afterwards gets 1 rounded before they can damage her, so long as her magic continues to scale well Edit: forgot you only double when initiating combat on player phase. So vantage kinda pointless, but hold out probably helps frustration a good bit so you don't have to rewind every time you do a bad placement
@jonunciate7018
@jonunciate7018 Год назад
I'll have to try this on my next run now that we maybe have a surefire way to get the ring.
@skypaladin9878
@skypaladin9878 Год назад
Her biggest competition in the role I believe is Lindon for his personal skill giving him crit chance
@InkWavve
@InkWavve Год назад
Do you need to not create any Bond rings prior to this point in order for it to work?
@MoHoToGo
@MoHoToGo Год назад
So I think there can be a less expensive way to get bond rings. Basically an RNG roll happens whenever you do the non-emblem Arena and cooking so after every chapter, you can reroll 4 times in a minute or 2 and you can roll maybe 10K worth of rings and then reset? So you never spend more than 10K and every ring I wanted, I always got within 2 chapter or 8 RNG rerolls.
@dancho5339
@dancho5339 Год назад
so question? to get olwen ring, does it still work if you do dlc maps before getting the leif ring in the main story, or does that mess up the programming?
@BookofAeons
@BookofAeons Год назад
Bond rings are provably not on the same rng seed across different saves. That this "method" worked for several people is coincidence. There are videos on how to manipulate the Olwen ring that actually do work but it will take a lot of resets and a lot of time to get.
@Arthur-sh6xd
@Arthur-sh6xd Год назад
Are you running the martial master Chloe I’m this run? How’s it doing? Are you running her with Lucina?
@maikayee246
@maikayee246 Год назад
I wish we could use bond ring as well as emblems some of these effects are great.
@Blaze0070
@Blaze0070 Год назад
My only concern is the half SP Gain from Bond Rings in a game that is already so stingy with SP.
@allensam8944
@allensam8944 Год назад
im on a maddening run and i do thoron with Mae S ring. she can one shot on counterattack as well and live exactly one hit. It worked well on hard mode but in maddening enemies HP starts outscaling her magic by a bit in Ch 14. Havent given citrinne magic dust and thoron is only +1 so we'll see how it goes. could be high A tier for me is she one shots in the late game somehow
@zachricca4546
@zachricca4546 Год назад
Would be curious to get your thoughts on the reverse recruitment mod. Starting the game with *spoilers* means you could probably run a lot of fun builds on them considering their different growths from alear
@IcedCoffeeGaming
@IcedCoffeeGaming Год назад
Does this change the order of recruitment? Not sure what it does or how to mod a switch lol
@zachricca4546
@zachricca4546 Год назад
@@IcedCoffeeGaming yep! It inverts them so your starting party includes such characters as Saphir and Lindon (in base classes) and you move around the world and somniel as... the last one! PcTriumph seems to be the most popular tuber covering it. Idk how to mod either yet lol but I'm inclined to learn for this.
@TheCroJordan
@TheCroJordan Год назад
I'm on my Maddening run right now and I have Seadall as Dancer with Lucina + Kanter and Quality Time as skills. So far he is clearly the MVP of my run. As Dancer he's pure support anyway so he has 100% bonded shield as Dancer / Qi Adept. With Lucina's Dual Strike his evasiveness is through the roof if your support level with adjecent allies is high. So even if the enemy has ranged attacks they have a really hard time hitting him if they target him instead of the shielded units. With Kanter he can dance and then move and wait which then activates quality time which again synergizes with his personal skill as well that heals adjacent allies at the start of the Playerphase. On top of all that you get a decent chance at getting chain attaks with nearby attacking teammates. He saved my units so many times from certain death of an onslaught. TLDR: double residual heal + 100% bonded shield while being safe due to high Avoid + dancing + repositioning + chain attacks
@erikbell1723
@erikbell1723 Год назад
Does anyone know what quick riposte does with thunder spells? I haven’t tried it I would assume it doesn’t work
@MasterStacona
@MasterStacona Год назад
the set RNG system is because of rewinding, if you rewind it will always result in the same outcome if you do the same thing, got to do something different to change the RNG and the same applies to the bond rings. It is also for random growths as well, cannot level up, get a bad level up and rewind to do something else then level up to change your outcome, you still get the same stat growths for that level up. i think the RNG of bond rings is not consistently random, it just entering and leaving a different maps changes the RNG since i saved scum to get claude's s tier ring and did the same again on another playthrough and did not the get the ring doing the same thing (i did get claude's s tier ring eventually by just changing the rng to favour the outcome i wanted)
@lordtartaros3738
@lordtartaros3738 Год назад
Citrinne is a one trick poney but a good one at that. Might consider putting her higher on my tier list. I jokingly called her magic Etie because she is the same poking from afar unit type with high might and shitty speed and defences. Well of course shes even slightly better not considering that build.
@raulrojas9253
@raulrojas9253 Год назад
The thing with Anna is that she has the magic stats to kill anything and also DODGE.
@gjfwang
@gjfwang Год назад
Citrinne starts with 17 magic promoted to sage at level 10 and Anna reclassing as sage at level 10 will be 4 magic below her. Essentially Anna's magic stat needs 40 level ups just to catch up to Citrinne (not until well into post game.) For builds optimizing for 1 attack damage, citrine is actually better. Its kinda like Panette but with magic.
@tomn7989
@tomn7989 Год назад
I think Anna is better off abusing Byleth. Byleth gives her +2 tome range if she's a mystic unit, and his ring gives her luck for more money. The luck stacks if you buy Byleth luck skills too. Also, Citrinne has a high base magic stat on top of a high magic growth, so Anna doesn't catch up until much later.
@veiotisligon9140
@veiotisligon9140 Год назад
And also maxed mag stats Anna only gets one point where as Citrinne gets plus 3
@banriswirl6414
@banriswirl6414 Год назад
​@@gjfwang Citrine will basically always have more magic, but Anna is better in every other way. Better speed, avoid, durability, and versatility.
@erikbell1723
@erikbell1723 Год назад
Anna benefits greatly from dlc, I’ve got her as High Priest with capped 59 luck with Byleth and tiki’s luck upgrade. Strap on Soren and take her to skirmishes to get money, she can solo any skirmish
@freddy1264
@freddy1264 Год назад
if I go to Anna's paralogue, which has 22 enemy units. Will I get the Olwen S in the next bundle of rings?
@OriginalRaisins
@OriginalRaisins Год назад
I'm pretty certain 10/9 Mage Knight Citrinne just doubles that first Royal Knight you showed. Also if this is 10/9 Sage Citrinne then this is a spirit dusted Sage Citrinne with Alear personal doing 21x2 damage to a Royal knight that has 43 max hp. I think the Olwen Citrinne ring thing is pretty good for dunking on random unpromoteds for the chapter 9-16 stretch but the amount of effort it takes to make a sage Citrinne that ORKO's with Olwen ring could probably just have made her into a stronger unit if you had gone Mage Knight. If I'm putting that many levels and stat boosters on a unit I'd hope they could do more than just deal big damage to one guy on player phase. EDIT: I did the math and Citrinne only needs to get +3 spd between her ring and her inheritance in order to double everything on this map as a 10/9 MK with Elfire. It's really not that hard to repair a low SPD stat.
@TJKuro
@TJKuro Год назад
What does 10/9 mean? Levels?
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber Год назад
@@TJKuro Level 10 unpromoted, 9 Levels promoted(usually means Level 10 promoted)
@OriginalRaisins
@OriginalRaisins Год назад
@@ThisIsntARU-vidr Promoted from mage 10, leveled to Mage Knight 9. This Sage in the video is a 10/9 sage.
@lethargicwizard
@lethargicwizard Год назад
If Dire Thunder starts to fall off, pair her with Byleth for Thyrsus + Thoron, and she can carry her weight with utility/staves.
@plentyofpaper
@plentyofpaper Год назад
I ran a similar build with Lindon. A couple of key differences. First, I had Lindon as mainly a support unit. Reposition and Canter+. Thunder and 4 staffs. Canter+. He would frequently start the match off using Reposition, and if he fell behind and needed to catch up, he could actually just use an Obstruct staff anywhere to get +3 movement. Second Point: His personal skill gives him +20 crit as long as your weapon rank is lower than the opponents. Thunder is D rank, so that pairs nicely. Third point: Lindon is built around never getting attacked. Ever. Given this, he can afford to run an engraving with a seriously detrimental drawback. I went with Eirika's, as I think it's an awful engraving nobody else would want. Dodge -20 is normally a deal breaker, but Lindon appreciates the extra crit +20, and never gets attacked anyway. His crit rate was usually about 40% against enemies, so about a 64% chance of at least one crit while attacking. Fourth point: Canter+ together with Thunder's 3 range makes it so Lindon can end the turn 5 tiles away from his target. This is sufficient to keep him out of danger. Definitely grab Canter+ for Citrinne when you have a chance. That extra safety is really nice. Also, Citrinne does not have "average" speed growth. 30%. Louis, Panette and Goldmary have 25%. Nobody else has lower. Controlling for character class, her base speed makes her just a touch faster than Amber, Bunnet and Jade, but it's effectively tied. Still, I was reasonably happy with my Lindon build, and Citrinne running basically the same thing with power instead of crit seems fine. I think it's almost certainly her best set given her abysmal speed and defense. Grabbing Canter is a must, but Canter+ makes it much safer though, and Lindon has enough SP to grab it immediately, which kept him alive through my entire iron man run. Citrinne would need to be exposed to a bit more danger until then, but there are probably a few things she won't die from being doubled by, so she can take advantage of that, and if you're running a more offensive build, trading thunder off of her now and then should allow her to survive an attack here and there. As far as actually getting Olwen S, I haven't tried the 30 bond rings method. I did however managed to grab it through brute force 3 out of my 4 runs. The 4th run I created about 100 Leif Bond rings, but the others took substantially less. So without RNG manipulation, I'd say it appears to still be viable, if not completely reliable. Or I may have just gotten lucky.
@MasterStacona
@MasterStacona Год назад
glass cannons are fine with 3 range because you wont ever get hit huge fan on Radiant Bow - Bow Knight Anna with Claude's S tier ring for that +1 bow range, now she has 3 range radiant bow so she never gets hit, higher dex and speed growths to always be 100% accuracy and doubling the enemy, one shots every flier in the game literally true one shot while still killing armoured units with each, and the option for 4 range literal chip damage with a long bow (long bow not good on anna's low strength for damage, but good for getting off damage for situations where radiant bow cannot reach)
@MasterStacona
@MasterStacona Год назад
the best build for citrine is thoron with momentum and canter (dont give her sigurd's ring) since momentum works best for users that one hit once.
@garsenchannel556
@garsenchannel556 Год назад
Let me highlight the other crazy thing about this build. Its is super low comitment/investment now that there are ways to get the ring quick and easy (relative to what it probably should have been). -Thunder tome itself is in her inventory the moment you get her. So the next chapter you can get this ring right away, drop the dough to make it +3 or even +4, and slap Roy on it. Upgrade it to +4 or +5 when you feel she needs it and use Ike's engrave as a further upgrade because what the hell else are you using Ike/Roy on? -The next best users of this ring is maybe Ivy and probably Lindon whos more of a sidegrade and more work to get going with the crit-memes. Anyone else who can have as good or better Mag is more investment, comes in later, and would likely want to use their Speed stat, like Anna (whos an awesome Bow Knight btw). -She won't have to rely on an Emblem and therefore won't ever have to worry about those few points in the game where you're burdened with passing the rings around until you're filled out again. -The cherry on top is she really doesn't need much skill investment after Canter. So, half SP gains is literally no loss. You will eventually have enough SP later on when she might want a little more power by getting either Mag+2 or Momentum for 1k SP. Absolutely recommend giving Spirit Dust to your Dire Thunder user because if a unit is just so solid at doing one thing only, then it pays out big to make sure they continue to deliver on that one thing. Most importantly, never promote Citrinne, and always give her the boots from the DLC and ALWAYS GET HER THIS RING.
@giovanniromero1950
@giovanniromero1950 Год назад
How has the Martial Master Chloe been working for you? It seems like a fun build, but I don't want to mess with my whole team comp if it is not doing well.
@sleepyinsomniac0507
@sleepyinsomniac0507 Год назад
Believe in MM Chloe, you wont be disappointed. She singlehandedly took 3 health bars of the final boss on Maddening, make sure to equip Erika on her
@cyrleaozora4173
@cyrleaozora4173 Год назад
@@priestessii True anyone that can quad with Eirika ring becomes a monster.
@giovanniromero1950
@giovanniromero1950 Год назад
Perfect! Thank you all for the responses and insight. I'll definitely try her out as a MM. Also I absolutely love the animations so it's nice to know it is viable.
@federicovazquez9011
@federicovazquez9011 Год назад
I’m glad I found out. I didn’t really wanted to bench her, but she can be average if someone didn’t know how to utilize her.
@michaelcardenas4102
@michaelcardenas4102 Год назад
Just wanted to pop in to say any random number generator has a seed (a starting point) and a table (possible values to generate) in it. This is because you cannot actually produce a random number mathematically. So the devs likely decided to seed from the chapter number or some other in-game value. Most programming languages either have a start seed as the default, or use the system clock as the seed value. The devs may have chosen a start seed for the game that keeps running through a table, though it seems more likely it is a chapter number seed. In theory, system time could have been used instead to induce more variance. As others have pointed out, the system they chose prevents reset abusing to artificially induce lucky runs. That in mind, it does allow you to do things like this or find 100% hit chances to avoid low chance misses. All systems have benefits and drawbacks. I can see why the devs had a hard time making this choice.
@senkichi
@senkichi Год назад
There's a Byleth build for Sages? Damn, all I do is put Byleth on dragon class for big stat boost instruct or on fliers for the goddess dance on water, etc.
@sleepyinsomniac0507
@sleepyinsomniac0507 Год назад
oh you finally got Dire Thunder after fishing that long xD
@professorhikaru3939
@professorhikaru3939 Год назад
I had a Dire Thunder Citrinne on my last run and I didn't had problems in the late game. In fact I started using her after chapter 15 and she became good so fast I eventually changed her to a Mage Knight despite having less magic in that class. And still I didn't had problems with her damage output. I don't think changing her to Mage Knight is worth it tho. The dream is to have her with the Eirika's Lunar Brace skill inherited. With that she will OHKO literally everything. But good luck reaching 3K SP (Bond rings gets SP in half the speed, ugg...).
@HAVIC101XXX
@HAVIC101XXX Год назад
You mentioned it'll cost you 3k Bond Fragments to get the Olwen S Bond Ring right after you get Leif. Enter the next story mission immediately, leave, and then roll for 10 rings 3 times. The reason you enter the next mission first is because every Enemy and NPC unit present at the start of a story or Paralogue map cycles your Bond Ring pulls forwards by one ring. I don't remember how many enemy units are on Chapter 9. But if you were to roll Bond Rings for that exact amount + NPC Jade , and then roll those 3k Bond Fragments afterwards, then you would get Olwen S appearing at the same spot. I mention this because there are less than 30 enemies and NPCs total in both Jean's and Anna's Paralogue maps. Both have just over 20 if I remember right. Entering either of those maps and then leaving without fighting is gonna cycle forward through your Bond Ring pulls and get you closer to Olwen S without you spending anything. If you already know beforehand that you're gonna get Olwen after spending 3k Bond Fragments for 30 Bond Rings, then you can enter one of those paralogues to cycle forward about 20 Bond Rings and get Olwen for only 1K Bond Fragments. Or less than that if you pull one at a time instead of 10 at a time. Of course, you would have to hold off on doing those Paralogues as soon as they show up. But it seems that people who intend to raise either Jean or Anna tend to do that anyway so they have access to Master and Second Seals for them.
@toxicteapot7941
@toxicteapot7941 Год назад
Looking over my playthrough now, my biggest issue with Citrinne is that she's Thunder locked. It deals a ton of damage and get guaranteed follow up, but I'm much more partial to Anna with Elfire for the +6 mt. Bolganone has +1 wt on Thunder, but let's be fair. Anna won't be hitting 11 bld easily. These spells also have a bit more support, like Lilina S giving them +20% damage or Byleth giving more range than Thunder for 4 turns. I feel the same thing that makes Dire Thunder so powerful is the very thing that keeps it balanced. It's an early game tome with 5 mt and 3 range. That's really good in the early to mid game, but elfire is very good mid game to late.
@agentndo
@agentndo Год назад
I was one of the Citrinne apologists in your tier video, her war crimes of having only MAG/RES growth are forgiven once you give her the one ring. Any mage can run this, but I think all of the proficient magic users have better options than Citrinne does (especially Ivy/Lyn).
@g.n.s.153
@g.n.s.153 Год назад
What I like about it is that while it completely ruins her speed since you want Ike/Roy engravings on her tome you still get basically the Alacrity effect. Even a Longbow Sniper can't hurt you if you kill them before the counterattack. I had her cap magic in chapter 25 and she was able to drop 1 full health bar from the fell dragons near the boss without giving them the chance to strike back. I had a lot of fun with it but I'm definitely gonna explore more of her Emblem ring potential in the future.
@smarfmart
@smarfmart Год назад
What gives the alacrity effect? The engraving, the Olwen ring, or something else?
@g.n.s.153
@g.n.s.153 Год назад
@@smarfmart Oh sorry, Alacrity is a skill from Lyn's Emblem ring. If you're fast enough you can make your follow up attack directly after the first one (on initiation). That lets you avoid risking taking unnecessary damage. Realistically it really just turns your Thunder tome into a brave weapon but it works the same way.
@smarfmart
@smarfmart Год назад
@@g.n.s.153 that untalkative bunny pfp tho
@g.n.s.153
@g.n.s.153 Год назад
@@smarfmart Aayyyyy! Happy to find someone who recognizes it!
@toxicteapot7941
@toxicteapot7941 Год назад
If that 30 ring strat is real, she's definitely better than I had originally given her credit for. I'll have to test it next run.
@MegaScytheman
@MegaScytheman Год назад
I think the reason they use this persistent rng across save loads is the same reason that the time crystal doesn't reroll rng - they are trying to prevent save load abuse to get favourable outcomes. In this case, they seem to have overlooked the potential for other mechanics to affect the ring rng such as entering and exiting a map for some reason advancing the rng state. Anyway it would be a reasonable system if not for the fact that multiple mechanics affect the same rng seed
@gjfwang
@gjfwang Год назад
Yea, but its silly because you can just get new outcomes after a reroll or save/load by doing actions that use 'rng' in a different order.
@alemfi
@alemfi Год назад
yeah, it needed to have its own rng seed pool, and then it wouldn't be able to be save scummed. Overall I really don't like the variability in the bond ring strengths, the rng acquisition, and the ridiculous meld ring costs, and am just pretending the system doesn't exist.
@Shadowbane7
@Shadowbane7 Год назад
she could kill 1 round swordmasters and wolf knights late in this build. though sometimes requiring alear/other mages around to give her that necessary boost in dmg and hit%. and in which those 2 classes in maddening u have no business doubling.
@MasterStacona
@MasterStacona Год назад
i think it is better just to go thoron citrinne and you have better results because you have a real emblem ring rather than a bond ring and get double the sp gain thunder x2 means x2 res too, where as thoron only goes thru res one time. So if a target has 10 res and you do thunder x2 for 30 magic damage or thoron x1 for 50 magic damage, you do 40 magic damage for both builds. The biggest difference is if a target has 30 res thoron does 20 magic damage still while thunder x2 does 0 magic damage - so you can have citrinne as only a super thoron user and have 4 slots available for staves
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber Год назад
+5 Ike engraved Dire Thunder outdamages a Roy engraved +3 Thoron if the enemy Res is 3+ less than Citrinne’s magic. And looking at Citrinne’s Mag growth, the enemy’s not going to have anywhere near enough Res to hit her Mag-3 threshold.
@wiredrayne
@wiredrayne Год назад
I wish SP gain wasn't so restrictive. I'm going to use some DLC SP books on my next run for a gimmick build I wanna try with Lindon on Thunder+5 with Camilla Engrave, Dire Thunder, Wrath, and Resonance+ The idea is his crit passive with low rank weapons, crit and might from Camilla Engrave, and Resonance giving +Dmg while slowly depleting his health to continually increase his crit with Wrath. Ultra gimmick. Extreme cheese. Old Man Investment.
@avatarwarmech
@avatarwarmech Год назад
Magic is everything
@ShMarioX
@ShMarioX Год назад
i always knew it get too obvious when soren emblem drop and i put soren on her then crossed my mind " if she already has this much mag....what happen if i put ALL spirit dust i get on her ?"
@Zero-fx8pc
@Zero-fx8pc Год назад
Wouldn’t Anna or Jean in Sage be better at this because of the higher magic? Also since Pandreo has proficiency in staves is it better to have him in Sage for more magic Atk or Griffin for heals plus levin sword?
@mrluisalonzo
@mrluisalonzo Год назад
Citrinne requires no investment to use this build from the get-go, unlike Anna and Jean. The only investment for this build with Citrinne is the time and the materials needed to build stronger Thunders.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber Год назад
Anna/Jean doesn’t want Dire Thunder as much as Citrinne does. Anna’s ideal classes are either Mage Knight or High Priest. Mage Knight is for speed builds, which means you don’t want to invest too hard on Thunder for Anna, and High Priest is not the ideal class for Dire Thunder shenanigans. Jean’s magic growth, even as a MM -> Sage, is still lower than Citrinne’s at all levels.
@Zero-fx8pc
@Zero-fx8pc Год назад
@@ThisIsntARU-vidr Mage Knight Anna with a levin sword seems pretty good I might try that in my maddening run as a Sage who would be better though? Citrinne or Pandreo?
@RenegadeVash
@RenegadeVash Год назад
Late game she is nice support with thoron sniping with celica echo and corrin hex
@bradypinnell7782
@bradypinnell7782 Год назад
@@priestessii he said late game, and nothing about dire thunder
@Haseo13darkness
@Haseo13darkness Год назад
@@priestessii like Brady said, they are using Thoron not dire thunder, but also the DLC gives SP books now for some reason So you have an extra 5k SP you can divide among your units in any way you want.
@Commodore468
@Commodore468 Год назад
It probably uses a seed number to randomize and the seed number is based off of the next mission instead of something harder to exploit like date and time or something
@wiredrayne
@wiredrayne Год назад
Early on it was determined the values are taken from the number of enemy units on a map which shifts the rings that amount.
@Takumi_Did_Nothing_Wrong
@Takumi_Did_Nothing_Wrong Год назад
4:35 "[Ivy] looks really good on Sage." Yeah, uh-huh, sure, I can see why you'd think that. 👀
@MNtoCali
@MNtoCali Год назад
Bond rings are random, you can get it on craft 1 or 51
@mrkisukes
@mrkisukes Год назад
I prioritize Hit+ over Canter since her Dex growth is really bad and you do start to feel that lack of hit into the mid game where enough enemies will have a decent enough avoid stat that she'd be sitting at 80-90% hit rates without any additional hit and this problem only gets worse into the late game. Something else to consider is Celica emblem + Nova. Nova has effectively the same stat spread as Thunder, while costing more to forge up, BUT the Celica ring does provide effectively 7 more attack between giving more Mag stat and Resonance+. You just gotta complete Celica's nuisance of a paralogue to unlock it's full potential.
@captainteemo1264
@captainteemo1264 Год назад
She part of my only sage team.. everyone is sage but the main character- sage run
@thefrenchbastard1646
@thefrenchbastard1646 Год назад
I just got her an early thoron and she still nukes quite a few ennemies
@chainoundjanged8731
@chainoundjanged8731 Год назад
This Citrinne build easily carried my early game
@shinigami0288
@shinigami0288 Год назад
Ive made my Citrine with Thoron 5 with the 20% damage ring, then slapp her with canter+ to snipe and run
@AmonsRealm
@AmonsRealm Год назад
Do you use dire thunder the whole. Game or give her a different ring by end game
@IcedCoffeeGaming
@IcedCoffeeGaming Год назад
She is performing well on it the entire run, approaching end game and she generally still 1 rounds things from full
@shadowdragun
@shadowdragun Год назад
2:35 This either gor patched out or is straight up a lie because i just tried it and it didnt happen. Hell just to make sure because i saved before i spent my near 10k bond fragments in it. And nooooo olwen
@smack5472
@smack5472 Год назад
I really prefer Ivy with the Olwen Plat ring and Dire Thunder. Give her canter plus flying and she's a mobile artillery unit. I got the ring without trying in my first 20 pulls not knowing the trick.
@aalextm8552
@aalextm8552 Год назад
pandreo rocks the sage fit wym 😔
@daycore_enjoyer
@daycore_enjoyer Год назад
chapter 20 still nuking enemies with this build
@dvdjkaufmn
@dvdjkaufmn Год назад
Thoron was so inconsistent for me on my first playthrough, I'm not even messing with it this time around. With low speed, it makes my mages a waste of a character slot and I wind up using Kagetsu, Panette, and Diamont together instead, (along with tanks), just to stand a chance. I really like Ivy's class, so she keeps dire thunder with +5 Thunder, otherwise there's just no point in using her either, cause she isn't fast enough either, unless I REALLY try.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber Год назад
Ivy is better off with a forged Thoron and a Mae ring. Her magic isn’t exactly that high and enemy Res blocks a lot of Dire Thunder’s damage in Maddening unless you’re Citrinne. That said, if you’re running Dire Thunder on her because of accuracy issues, then that is understandable.
@dvdjkaufmn
@dvdjkaufmn Год назад
@@ThisIsntARU-vidr Yeah, this game is just smacking me in the face with the unlucky stick, when it comes to Thoron. Hits maybe 1 in 4 times, no matter what I do to it. Have no issues whatsoever with low accuracy weapons once they're upgraded/engraved. It's just Thoron. Gets me killed every time.
@underblader9675
@underblader9675 4 месяца назад
Dire Citrinne reliably one rounds pretty much everything in chapters 9, 10 and 11 in player phase with few investment. Without dlc emblems you almost always have a need for at least one bond ring and Olwen is the best of them so sage citrinne can always have a use.
@alexisdipoalo9443
@alexisdipoalo9443 Год назад
I did this but with mae and thoron she literally one shots every single enemies up to around chapter 19 or 20
@DeikanYT
@DeikanYT Год назад
Is Citrinne the best user of this special bond?
@gjfwang
@gjfwang Год назад
wait until he finds out about the citrine vantage holdout thoron build where you stack as much damage on thoron as possible. People really love one stat characters.
@CuppaGi
@CuppaGi Год назад
The Olwen bond ring trick you mentioned doesn't work at a code level. You just got really lucky. Your Bond Ring seed is set as soon as you start a New Game, and can't be changed. You can use this to manipulate what bond rings you pull, and if you're willing to put in the work you can get every S rank ring you want for 100 Bond fragments. There are guides out there for this, but yeah. This is why getting Olwen using your method doesn't work. The order of the rings you pull is already set, its just a matter of getting to the specific ring you want.
@BookofAeons
@BookofAeons Год назад
The RNG is the way it is to remove save scumming. In a game with the turn wheel, they didn't want you constantly rewinding to get perfect level ups, or to hit that low% crit on the boss. If the only way past a particular RNG number is to USE that number, your forced to play around whatever result you get. Where they screwed up is in tying the bond ring RNG to something other than bond rings, so you can "use" those numbers without having to spend bond fragments.
@joeyjose727
@joeyjose727 Год назад
So glad they did the bond rings that way 🙏 so great
@Garvant_
@Garvant_ Год назад
​@@joeyjose727 ong otherwise rolling for these things would be unbearable
@joeyjose727
@joeyjose727 Год назад
@@Garvant_ I straight up refused to roll any more and thought it was so sad that I would never get to use Olwen or Claude… until I learned about the easy way! Thank goodness for that, it’s so fun. And it’s not even necessarily optimal because of the lack of SP if you equip a bond ring instead of an emblem, it’s just really nice utility With DLC emblems this might not be as much of an issue, more SP for all! Camilla’s double Thunder tome could be great for mystical class Citrinne, I think I’ll try it out on her next time
@israel120298
@israel120298 Год назад
I like the femboy sage outfit !
@celrokproduction
@celrokproduction Год назад
but why is it good ONLY on Citrinne and not on other unit? cause otherTome user can also abuse this right?
@IcedCoffeeGaming
@IcedCoffeeGaming Год назад
Anyone can make use of it, she just requires low investment and has a decent magic growth/starting magic.
@sonictelephone1526
@sonictelephone1526 Год назад
Can you save scum bond rings? I've never even thought to try
@Akinon93
@Akinon93 Год назад
Not quite. Afaik the rng chance for a lot of things ingame is based on an internal number, this number changes with actions in the game (I think it's based on how many enemies are on the map? And maybe some other stuff). So, you can kinda savescum, it's just every time you do you have to go enter and leave a different battle
@BookofAeons
@BookofAeons Год назад
You can. There's several videos on the topic. Short overview is: make a ton of bond rings and note down where in the list the ring you want shows up. Reset. Entering a non-skirmish mission will advance the list by the amount of units that are initially on the map. Use that to get as close as possible, then generate single rings to get the rest of the way.
@horsejohnson7499
@horsejohnson7499 Год назад
Yes, it's very easy. You have to go in to the prep screen for next main chapter, then leave and save. Check the first 1-2k, and if you don't get it, reset and reenter and it will give you a different set. It took me like half an hour to get Olwen S that way.
@Ash_Wen-li
@Ash_Wen-li Год назад
I hear entering a paralogues/chapter skips the bond rings by 30. So if you don't get it in 30 trys then you can reset by entering a new chapter/paralogue. I haven't tested it out yet though
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