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Class 153 Scotrail Explorer - The BEST livery? 

Proper Chuffed
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Having thought I had found the perfect tourist DMU for my West Highland layout , I was gutted to find out it isn't all sunshine and roses with this prickly little thistle from Hornby.
Is it just me?
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@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Please check out www.youtube.com/@thelittlewesternmodelrailway
@DonningtonCastleModelRailway
@DonningtonCastleModelRailway 5 месяцев назад
Love how you start with the storytelling about how the model fits into your layout. Hope you get the issues fixed and looking forward to seeing a layout update.
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Thanks Martyn, seems you and I both watch each others videos at the same time 😂 I hope so too, awfully bummed about her running state. Thanks for your encouragement always. Hylt
@SpringCottageModelRailway
@SpringCottageModelRailway 5 месяцев назад
Good shout out Hylt. Good sentiment. We seem to follow the same layouts. I have learnt a lot from Scott Rails. Has had amazing growth in under a year mainly as he has good content. He’s reworking his layout now which may give you some good tips. David
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Hey mate, thanks for this, indeed I think it’s important to support each other in our endeavours. I have recently discovered Scott Rails, great channel with good content 😊 thanks for the recommendation
@SpringCottageModelRailway
@SpringCottageModelRailway 5 месяцев назад
Yeah he’s re-laying his track now so should be some more good content.
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
@@SpringCottageModelRailway I look forward to it 👍
@thelittlewesternmodelrailway
@thelittlewesternmodelrailway 5 месяцев назад
Appreciate the shoutout! Really enjoying your journey man! Hopefully I can begin to catch up and get something running soon!
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Your channel is so underrated and you put so much work into it! A stellar idea! Hylt
@railwaymechanicalengineer4587
@railwaymechanicalengineer4587 5 месяцев назад
Production of model trains took a massive technical leap forward in the mid 1990's. When Sandakan in Hong Kong opened a new plant the size of a major Football Stadium with 17,000 staff. To mass produce, on high Tech computerised tooling, gigantic "batch" productions of models for a major Japanese model railway company. All the tooling for this plant was made in Japan. The four biggest model railway companies are all Japanese. Indeed there are more railway modellers in Japan than the whole of the rest of the World put together 3.4 times over. As a result ONE of those 4 Japanese Majors has an annual turnover in BILLIONS of U.S Dollars !!! Bodyshells get spat out at the rate of one every few seconds, at a individual cost of a few pennies. It's assembly that Costs the money ! As modern super detailed models often have dozens of separate detail parts to be applied to the bodyshell. Most of which has to be done by hand, by hundreds of girls sitting at "assembly" points in lines stretching into the distance, in that huge plant. The problems of painting was also solved, by getting rid of paint & replacing it with quick drying inks, which dries in around 3 seconds. Using Computer Tampo printing methods. So you simply create 3D Computerised on screen mock ups of all bodyshell parts & livery designs, at the R&D stage, using CAD NAM software. (Originally designed for architects). You then run off a handful of unpainted bodyshells, & send them to whichever model railway company has ordered them, for critical appraisal. If these are correct & acceptable. Then another handfull of bodyshells will be run off & put through the livery application tampo printing machinery. Only when the painted samples are acceptable will an actual production run for complete models be scheduled, possibly months later. That first High Tech Sandakan plant, was a bit like HMS Dreadnought, it made every other manufacturers methods outdated. So the handful of other production plants in Hong Kong & China had to play catch up. There are none as advanced or as big as that Sandakan plant (& Sandakan have 3 other smaller plants for production of smaller American & European ranges) but every other plant has had to adopt computerisation to a greater or lesser extent to improve production methods & speed up the actual time needed to complete each individual model. So the Class 153 models "complex" livery is no harder to apply than a simple livery, and takes no longer to apply, in a matter of seconds. Hornby's loco & rolling stock range is produced in the new PIKO plant near Canton PRC opened around 2008. PIKO is of course the ex East German model train manufacturer, who moved to China to keep up with the competition. Hornby production was transferred to the new PIKO plant around 2011-2012, after Hornby were kicked out of one of the Sandakan plants, when Hornby's competitor "Bachmann" (Actually the Kada Corporation) snuck in & bought Sandakan from under Hornby's nose !!!! NOTE: The NEM European Manufacturers Conference in Germany, back in the late 1980's, was called to get ALL the European based manufacturers (which includes Britain) to agree to standardise track, wheels, couplings & various other technical items. To NEW refined & more precise measurements. Hence the introduction of NEM coupling pockets at a standard height & size so ANY European manufactures couplings will fit that pocket, was just one of the technical advances. Todays models also have NEM wheel profiles (RP25) to match NEM track (Code 75), & NEM refined point flangeways, minimum point radii etc, etc. (The USA has different measurements & tolerances including Code 83 track). Hence if you do NOT use the correct track types to match the European or American wheels in your models you will experience running problems including derailment issues. This includes using model trains produced before these current track standards were adopted !!!!!!!!!!!
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
And once again railwaymechanicalengineer4587 is here to provide some very insightful and interesting information 😊 thank you so much, it’s rather fascinating to learn about this huge jump in quality. I must say, I think loco prices today are fair when you consider quality, if I look at Marklins prices, we are now at a point where we are getting equal quality for a still cheaper price point than most continental products.
@railwaymechanicalengineer4587
@railwaymechanicalengineer4587 5 месяцев назад
@@Proper_Chuffed Product prices have risen in real terms & there is sales resistence to this. But these rises are mainly outside the scope of the manufactures to control for the following reasons: Cheap Chinese labour is no longer cheap as China has rapidly advanced in the last 20 years, since many European, British & even some American companies "rushed to China". For European & British companies the cost of transport from China to Europe using ISO shipping containers has been greatly interfered with by the major problem of the Somali Pirates in the Indian Ocean/Gulf of Aden area for the last 7+ years. Requiring the high cost of hiring Mercenaries (Hundreds of thousands of US Dollars per journey) to be on board virtually all major ships for the Indian Ocean crossing, to defend the ships. The risk of Pirates has resulted in a huge increase in Ship Insurance for ships using the route. Which is all passed along to add to the transport cost. And as the Houtis in Yemen have started firing missiles at ships in the Red Sea recently I have no doubt Insurance costs on shipping will rise further !! Hornby a couple of years ago stated they were going to bring production back in house to Margate to avoid these increasing costs. What the idiots forgot to remember is that the company in China (PIKO) who make the rolling stock & locomotives, own the tooling and rights. And that this same tooling is also used to make PIKO's own German model range !! Hence I suspect this is the real reason Hornby recently introduced their new TT120 range, which is oddly non standard as British TT has always been 1:100 scale. Which means partial production is still in the PIKO plant but finishing & assembly may be in Margate. As Hornby simply can't afford to spent Millions of the modern Computer tooling necessary to produce the parts. Hornby have been in the RED financially for the last two years, & I know they are having problems with their bankers (Barclays) as a result !!! Bachmann can't move out of Hong Kong as they are a Chinese company & part of the large Kada Corporation which is owned by the extremely ruthless "Ting" family !! Fleischmann/Roco moved production from China to Vietnam by building their own plant there, around 7-8 years ago, where Labour costs are cheaper than China. But this hasn't avoided the problems of the shipping costs. American products obviously sail across the Pacific, avoiding most cost issues. The gigantic Japanese manufactures of course only need to ship across the Sea of Japan, so have avoided virtually all cost issues. Retail prices in Japan are therefore only around 40% of everyone else's today. NOTE: 30 years ago I had a major import/wholesale/retail business specialising in importing the Japanese ranges to Europe. So obviously I had access to all sorts of information about many of the Worlds model train manufacturers, and a lot of contacts in the Far East, some of whom I still interface with. But a lot of business information does from time to time appear in such Newspapers as The "Financial Times" & "Wall Street Journal" !!!
@ashlybrown5341
@ashlybrown5341 5 месяцев назад
This is not the only Hornby one with these motors I've found to be the same but there all still running
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Well at least they run, I find once mine is up to speed it’s okay. Having opened it up, still can’t figure out what’s causing it
@StarWarsJay
@StarWarsJay 5 месяцев назад
I’d love it in the 80s BR blue.
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
🤗 that would be awesome, minus the motor! 😂
@kellypaws
@kellypaws 5 месяцев назад
I think that motor is the horror that replaced the Lima ringfields. Please be careful as they are very fragile brutes to try to work on. I had that in a Hornby Railroad - it ran absolutely horribly. I tried to fix it and it was impossible as they are so lightly constructed and full of clips. I ended up gutting the motor and putting in a Lima bogie. (Extreme solution.)
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
I think you may be right Kelly, I will take a look at her this week. In the interest of honesty I reviewed as is, so will now have to investigate further! Thanks for popping by 😊
@stevie156478
@stevie156478 5 месяцев назад
Sadly the motor in these things and all previous Class 153s and 156s is best described as "inconsistent". You can get one that is reasonably smooth and you will get one that is as juddery as your one is- i have two and one also is very juddery and inconsistent. Also Hornby have made a slight mistake with the livery- on the model the white dots at the ends are at a very slight angle, if you look at pictures of the real thing- they are in a straight line.
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Hello Stevie, thank you very much for the info here, glad to know I’m not the only one struggling with this, it is quite disappointing to spend that kind of money and have an issue like this 😔 appreciate your feedback. Hylt
@ashlybrown5341
@ashlybrown5341 5 месяцев назад
Hi had mine a fair while now and mine is the same sounds awful on low speed
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Okay so not just me then! Good to know, and sorry about yours too 😔
@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512
@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512 5 месяцев назад
Hi Hylt, you need to stop running it and open her up. Sounds like a drive shaft inter locking problem or the clip on the drive tower worm gear. Generally I don't trust Hornby DMU/EMUs, especially multiple unit trains. Regards Julian.
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Hello Julian, thanks for stopping by again 😊 I will do so, thank you for the heads up, hopefully it’s something fairly innocent. Will update you on it once I have taken a look! 😊 Hylt
@petercole2092
@petercole2092 5 месяцев назад
Don't run that loco you will make things worse until you have fixed the issue which likes like a motor one. You could replace the motor but don't expect it to be easy fix Hornby tend to enclose them making access difficult to start with you will find that modern model motors are not serviceable unlike Lima motors which have easy access. Quality control seems to be non existent I have just had to return a Bachmann Class 37 lights were on but no motor function basically dead on arrival. £120 for a poor loco is no joke.
@Proper_Chuffed
@Proper_Chuffed 5 месяцев назад
Hey Peter indeed I have stopped running her until I can get to the bottom of the issue, here’s hoping it’s fixable on my end. Sadly no returns. I filmed it in this state for the sake of an honest and open experience. Quite sad about it. You’re right, £120 is no joke 😂 can’t imagine how you must have felt with that 37, did you get it sorted? Hylt
@petercole2092
@petercole2092 5 месяцев назад
Hi Hylt, I have sent the loco back to the retailer for a refund. I always thought that Bachmann to be slightly better than Hornby but this is the second Bachmann loco I have returned. Here's what I think of some of manufactures but not everyone will agree with me, it's just my own personal experience. Hornby: when they get it right it's fine but need to pay more attention on quality control. Heljan: Detailed and heavy models but the motors are underpowered for the weight also tend to use very fine wiring making repairs awkward. Dapol: Models are well made and detailed but you will find that motors at higher speeds make a whining noise but not at slow speeds. Accurascale High detail but motors are an issue. KR Models poor build quality had three of their locos that ran awful all had to be returned. I find older models to be easy to service yes lacking today's refinement but well made. Lima's later models are good the one to miss is Mainline locos poor motors and axles trend to crack been plastic. Mainline wagons and coaches are good.
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