This is why I chose the name seraph instead of cherub, it means both snake and angel so I can deceive not only about my gender (I’m non-binary) but also the fact I like snakes more than holy symbols
Well the video briefly goes through the angel hierchy at one point. The three most high ranking angels are so bizarre looking. They do remind me of monsters from Lovecraft.
With the old testament of the Bible, I wouldn't be surprised if Christians are actually worshipping a god that looks like something H,P Lovecraft would write about
@@laundrewashington3734 :O (Though to be fair the Chaos Emeralds are meant to be sort of the opposite of that. Basically congealed grossness. Still works!)
@@laundrewashington3734 Of course! Have you heard of the youtube series on the Polygon channel called Unraveled? There's an episode that's very relevant here.
Well, that's the short version... Actually, it was a relatively common trope/device employed by sci-fi(?) and fantasy(?) writers of that time. They would employ it when the exposition required was either too difficult (as your teacher explained) OR in the case that it was so long or complicated that readers would more likely skip it or rage-quit... There's a lot of abuse of the thing over the centuries since, too. It's led to a lot more of the "hand-waving" excuse than is necessary to create decent descriptive in a good storyline... SO beware in employing it yourself, because it's easy to slip into the pitfall of "almost had it, but feels flat for lack of work". ;o)
For my honors class we had to read part of this story, and when I was discussing it with my peers, they were all immensely confused. I looked them dead in the eyes, “Jesus” “What” “Everything is Jesus” And that is the story on how for the first time I was ever good at symbolism. Any old European literature is just Jesus symbolism..
My friends always called Dante's stories really bad Christian fan fiction. I laughed it off at the time, thinking "yeah it's probably just a trippy story with massive artistic liberties and theological errors". I didn't know my friends were being literal.
poissony Well you also aren't wrong. Dante pretty much got most of it wrong, and yet people believe this to be fact. I wonder about humanity these days.
Ikr like Justinian got 12 episodes like woah and da thing is they made good episodes like even blue mentions Justinian for goodness sake one of the first fleet ships was called Justinian then again one was called friendship but seriously he’s well known RED!!!
And these aren't even the stange angels, like the ones guarding Eden that one is just a 3 faced head that shoots fire from it's eyes, which are just everywhere on this head, oh it also may be made of fire and screams in the language of angels, the other is just a 6 armed 3 headed giant wielding giant flaming swords and wings for days with eyes on his swords and all over its body and wings, when its swords touch the ground it causes earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, oh and looking at it will drive any man insane and depending on how faithful, may just burn your soul into nothing
@@HovektheArtist So looking at that abomination has a likelihood of actually living skid marks on your soul? Oh my God, the Pole Position narrator was that six-armed three-headed giant!
@@DigitalDaydreams so are these descriptions from revelation? I looked up the canto and couldn't find a description of the thrones as multi-eyed wheels at all.
@@moonbasebop3699 If we're talking about the same Justinian, he came pretty close relatively speaking. He reclaimed Italy and some African provinces, that's more than anyone else ever managed.
@@timothymcleanJustinian I claimed these lands for only short times, losing them again and again to Western European resistance. Also, at what cost to his empire? He had to steal the livelihoods of his own soldiers and expend much of the Byzantines' wealth. This made him unpopular, almost leading to his deposition. If anything, he should be renowned for the Corpus Iuris Civilis and the construction of the Hagia Sophia. Who did more than him when reconquering the Roman Empire was the Muslim and Turkish empires that would later claim most of the Mediterranean.
Red: This version of heaven follows the 14th century model of the solar system. Also Red: why are they visiting the planets out of order?! *shows the modern model of the solar system.*
Ikr? She even referred to the old model as "Geocentric" without even giving thought to what it means! Thankfully, OSP improved on getting their facts straight.
@1tiercel Not really. The real Beatrice married a banker and met Dante only on two occasions, but he was so fascinated by her that he made her a major character in his trillogy.
I had to stop for a few minutes because I was laughing too much. I wish I had to do a book report on this (which would be ironically hell) just to add that joke at the end. Worth it!
The funniest thing is, Dante apparently only actually met Beatrice twice in his life (first on a party when he was 9 and second when he was 18 and walked into her in the street). So she must really have been drop-dead gorgeous, if she left such an impression on him, that he immortalised her in his work. So they weren't boy- and girlfriend, he just had a life-long crush on a girl he barely knew. XD
The writing stile changes, metaphors get harder and more comlpicated as purgatory and heaven go on. The very last chant of Heaven is a fucking metaphor, its really cool as poetry, but hard to understand. hell is much more straightforward.
I think also the video game may have some impact on this. Even if based on these three videos about the source material wasn't all that accurate but still a fun game.
Several reasons. First, its the first part. Second, we are naturally attracted to the sin and its punishment in a vicarious way. "Look at this sinner and his deserved punishment." Third, as Dante continues his journey his language becomes more elevated, and the subjects become more abstract. In Paradiso, Dante is having full theological discussions where as in Inferno the residents are incapable of having such discussions.
Dante: My dead girlfriend ditched me to sit on a giant red rose in Heaven. Saint-Bernard: That's ruff, buddy. Edit: Holy Hell (lol), that's a lot of likes. New Edit: I've stolen Clockwork Kirlia's amazing suggestion and replaced "rough" with "ruff". It's not plagiarism if I'm telling everyone I've stolen it! I think...
Justinian was probably the best emperor the Byzantines ever had. Almost all laws in the modern day are modeled after the law code he implemented, he built the Hagia Sophia, he and his wife massively advanced the rights of women in his empire, and even managed to lead the byzantines through massive riots, Persian invasions, and he even survived the black death. Extra Credits has an excellent series about him and his wife, Theodora, who was also awesome.
James O'Dell perfect point, honestly was probably the most important Roman Emperor ever as helped Italy become city states instead of barbarian, helped massively for the prestige of the eastern Roman Empire and he certainly left the empire in amazing growth and expansion but was simply not taken up well enough from his successors
Shane Love His uncle was pretty dope too. This nigga was a peasant living in the country side. He goes to Constantinople, and works his way up to head of the Royal guard. Sends his nephew Justinian to school to prep him on being Emperor. Becomes Emperor in his later years and leaves it all to Justinian.
I'm atheist and not very into books but I wanted to read the entire bible out of pure curiosity for some years now for some reason *so let's bet to see who does it first.... probably her, not gonna lie(?*
@@maucazalv903 as an atheist. Please, please go and read it. Nothing is more satisfying when your Christian family says that “the only reason you’re atheist is because you haven’t read the Bible” right before you drop a banger of a verse on them. My personal favorite is “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” Then proceeding into a rant about how if the Bible has so many inaccuracies, then you guys could have always made up new bullshit to make it work, and you never did.
@@supreme_king_obama1158 Inaccuracies? Not if you keep it in Latin, or the original Greek and Hebrew also my favorite verse is Matthew 25:31-46. Also, the Bible itself deposits supreme authority in the Church Matthew 16:18-19, 1 Timothy 3:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:14-15 etc. The reason you probably became an atheist was due to your disillusionment from a Sola scriptura heretical shithole due to their lack of tradition and being mind-numbingly soft. Though, I would not put it beyond you to have never read more than Mark. Scripture is not meant to be the end all be all. It was built off of the Church and finally finished being compiled in the late 4th century.
i actually like the idead of god not being an human or humanoid being. "he's suposed to be eternal, be everywhere at the same time, and when u had a human face we can't stop to think of him as a human or human like"
Hades But in Genesis, God says he made man in his image. Dante was probably just going for some idiotic eldritch theme to make it more exciting because he was Catholic.
Lightning Warrior935 even as a child I interpreted that as a loose definition of image, i.e. a higher dimensional ethereal being consider his image, most likely sentience. Although it is a quite literal definition if you view time as a spatial dimension
Fun fact: the term seraph does refer to snakes, but it specifically means “fiery serpent”. But it’s not talking about a fire-breathing snake. It refers to venomous snakes, with the word “fiery” referring to the burning pain a person experiences after being bitten by a venomous snake.
@@peytonbeaumont354 The Bible, and Christian mythology is weird. There is "archangels", the second tier of angel. And then there is "Archangels", the 7 greatest Seraphim. Of which Gabriel is one of them.
Beatrice abandoning Dante sounds harsh until you realise that in reality Dante was a creepy incel who met the woman all of twice, once when she was 8. He never dated her and never even really knew her, but obsessed about her for the rest of his life.
Well, yes, of course that would make a lot of sense if Beatrice was a person, but she's the love interest for the Author's self insert in a satire. It's big time Lisa from The Room energy. Him being 9 when he met her *does* make it more creepy, because who actually is still pining over an elementary/primary school field trip crush decades later? I could see pining after a childhood friend if you never clicked with anyone else, but at best it was two random encounters a decade apart with the same girl. Admittedly, at 18 (his "second" encounter) I could see feeling like they're the "one that got away" as not unreasonable and assuming she shared a name with a girl who changed your life a decade ago a guy from his time might have thought it was fate. Then she dies before the Rule of Three can have them meet a third time a decade after that meeting. Tragic. I mean, she was married, but still.
Y’all are forgetting that this is not an uncommon thing for poets to do. They’ll chose a random crush they used to have and make her their “muse.” It is unlikely that Dante was as head over heels for her as shown in the poem, and is more likely using her as an allegory. True, it’s a weird practice of basically making a muse out of a random girl, but at least Dante never made it too creepy.
Poirot's Mustache to be somewhat fair they don't "burn in Hell" they're in Limbo which is essentially a big garden where everyone just sits around sighing and brooding.
Virgil must be so relived he did not have to go through all that with Dante, probably chilling in Hell with a book going "Welp, he's Beatrice's problem now."
Well after dante got dropped off back in the woods with the she wolf who might or might or might not have been beatrice he finds out his senpai vergil gets to go to heaven and chill with beatrice for going through the trouble of escorting him, so the whole thing could have also been a way for dante to hook vergil up with his dead gf
Which given that Beatrice was the one that sent Virgil in the first place to give that guided tour does that mean this is kinda a complicated plot to seduce Virgil and post-mortally cheat on Dante?
@@TheRealPentigan Can’t cheat on someone who wasn’t ever in a relationship with you. Seriously, RL Beatrice was someone Dante met _once_ as a child and never stopped obsessing over.
What I like about all this is that most of this is totally fanfic, except for the cherubs and the eyeball wheels, which are both totally described in the Bible
@@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis Journey to The West is a massively cultural appropriate, well written series. This is just some Italian who is WAAAAAAY too Christian and hated the Greeks
naww the Justinian you're thinking of was pretty useless. Not only did he all but fail to keep constantinople in tact..he destroyed rome through his delusionial idea of restoring the empire..without understanding the world around him (makes sense since he never left his palace in constantinople) On top of this he had a terrible habit of starting wars he could not finish in the surrounding regions around the balkans and middle east which led to big, big problems down the road..on top of this he purged the greek world of it's schools and philosophy is favor of churches..which bring up another issue of basically all of the byzantine treasury going towards churches instead of infrastructure leading the the cities to become chronically run down. In otherwords Justinian was by no means awesome..he just made enough of a point to ensure his name was written down as to seal a spot in history.
Andrew Catherwood Eversun You're thinking of Justinian the second, the successor to Constantine the IV. JustinDL97 was talking about Justinian the first. Justinian the second is barely remembered in history, but Justinian the first, the one mentioned in the video, was fairly successful and for that reason, earned the title of Justinian the Great.
@@heroofcadia5211 that's subjective, he's from the Byzantine (AKA east roman) empire, but by then the empire was very greek, so he was either/both Greek and Roman, depending how you look at it.
@@goombanr3411 True, although the empire back then was still quite large and had a lot more ethnicities, not just Greeks, so there is an argument to be made. And considering he reconquered Rome, there is litte doubt I think that they still considered themselves roman (in the sense of nationality, not ethnicity). Also IMO a lot of what is considered Greek as a nationality is a broad label made in a nice effort of historical revisionism during the days of the Ottoman empire.Alas, much like Dante and Red, I also have a Greek bias, being Bulgarian (Not to say that we did not have historical revisionism during the waking of our national identity in the Ottoman Empire).
So... Late to the party, but a few points. First, chill out people, Eve Is there. She's sitting in the Rose, and her leaf is right under Mary's. Second, the best translation I know is the one by Dorothy L. Sayers, it's highly readable and her notes are fantastic. Third, Beatrice is ALSO Jesus.
"The Old Guy in question is Saint Bernard - who for the purposes of this review will be represented as a dog." I actually rolled on the floor laughing at this until after the video had ended and I had to go back.
So... God is three circles, one of which is JESUS CIRCLE, and inside there's rainbows and a magic love book ... wow no wonder you're not allowed to draw him, imagine how weird all those fancy paintings would be
Actually because nobody is allowed to see him directly because they wouldn't survive. Moses never got a direct look and he ended up glowing and wearing a veil. Though you think someone would painted Jesus. Though why they voted for him to be kill vs the actual criminal is beyond me. Even if they didn't believe in him I think I would vote for the guy with healing power with all the things that doctors can't help you with.
@@theresahall6197 because it was prophesied He would be killed by everyone, PLUS (looking at it from a non religious perspective), He did the equivalent of going into a modern day Muslim town in Pakistan and saying "everything you know is wrong"
The fun thing about the seraphim being "the burning ones" and seraph being "a snake" is that some linguists think the seraphim look like/are dragons, because "giant snake with FIRE!!!"
@@Xalerdane Skyrim less so, but Morrowind was written by a college student who studied religions and Christian theology specifically. Now rethink why Peryite is said to rule over natural order while being an ugly, emaciated dragon... much like Satan, while Akatosh and Alduin are essentially functioning as Jesus and God's reset button respectively. You can pretty much map most things to Christianity or adjacent theological bits once you pick it up. So go re-read the Sermons of Vivec, keeping Hindu myths and Christianity close to reference, see how much of the madness you realize is a very different flavor of madness than just "what was he on". (also notice that Nerevar, who Vivec, Almalexia and Dagoth Ur are all obsessed with, as mortal gods, is CHOCK FULL of hints that he's mythically important: he carries the "ghartoki" -- which is in-context the rune for the hand of God, the _weapon_ of God, and the action of striking someone down... and he has one in each hand. I actually spent enough time chewing on Ehlnofex to break down Nerevar's name as being a Significant name as of the Morrowind lore era: you can break him down into Ne (not) Re (light, as in Reman, Light [of] man), Var (mouth, the action of casting a spell) Mora (forest, forbidden knowledge, chaos). In other words, he's literally named "I am not the Morningstar". In context, that makes him an expy of Archangel Michael.) (Michael Kirkbride was on LSD and a mental breakdown from his exams period and a thesis due next week, but given how close that is to religious half-starved sleep deprived fever dreams like Revelations, close enough to scripture to be negligible impact.)
REALLY weird when you turned Saint Bernard into a dog for a joke. Mainly because equating saints and specifically God to dogs is a pretty popular form of Blasphemy in Italian colloquialism. The More You Know...
Jon B okay, but why not have Ron Swanson in there as Virgil and Chris Pratt as Dante? That way you avoid the horror of seeing Seth Rogen without James Franco.
They both were super cool and badass? Like the law codes justinian made are the basis for modern law, he reconquered like most of the fallen western empire, and was the last truly great roman emperor
Alix DiViant well if Internet comments have taught me anything it's that all historical people are terrible, did nothing and everything we know about them was wrong
@@andrewames247 ergot poisoning was extremely common due to the preparation methods used at the time. So yeah based on logic I wouldn't be surprised if he had a bad trip once and though it was inspirational then proceeded to write the greatest fan fict shit post of all time.
And I thoight that god would be even more light... Also, me before this video: This is a cool piece of literature that people talk about. After this video: lol, it be just a self-insert fanfic
It’s still a relevant piece of literature. Red made it funny be she glossed over a lot of the symbolism as basically the whole damn thing is symbolic of something. Mainly it is a critique on the church and politics of the day, done in a very unique way, all blended together with some weird-as-balls imagery likely based off of Dante’s dreams.... possibly after he ingested something he maybe shouldn’t have.
I still think it's really funny that while most people, even in the modern day they don't portray god as anything because it gets religious flack. but no. Dante said "it's straight up a book"
Bendy the Ink Demon Well, there actually is a Divine Commedy Manga. It was made by Go Nagai. The guy who created the mecha genre, and ecchi, and fanservice, and Cutie Honey, which probaly inspired Sailor Moon, while Devilman inspired Evangelion. Actually, he created a lot, and is still working to this day. He is also one of the reasons for Shonen Jump's success. He read the Inferno at a young age and was inspired by it and remanins one of his favourite books.
Sorry I know this came out in 2015 and it’s 2018 but I just CANNOT get over the Lion King joke at 0:50 I AM DEAD ...why do I find this so hilarious, I do not know.
I especially liked the one about the early Church schisms and Catherine the Great.It's like they're digging up all the cool parts of history that we wished they taught us in school.
The reason that the path is so scattered is because the geocentric model corresponds to the time it takes each celestial body to "orbit" the earth, thus the Moon, Mercury, Venus, the Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn
OMG!!!!! This channel is like Cliff Notes with a raging, bell-ringing hangover before it's first cup of coffee. I don't know who the narrator is, but your timing and deadpan delivery are HYSTERICAL. Also, I feel much smarter after watching and laughing a bit, so thanx very much for that. Keep up the great work.
"Everything the light touches is God's kingdom." "What about that shadowy place over there?" Me, dying from Disney references "Well, you could say it's because they flew too close to the sun. Eh, eh?" Me, dying from Greek-e-o references "Venus is where the lovers go." HMMMM, WHAT DOES THAT SOUND LIKE? *Roman mythology intensifying* At 3:02, you can see Red clearly had to put out that we were talking about a different, not godly Dionysus, thank you, because there's clearly only one god here And literally two seconds later is more planets characterized as their Roman names (hey, don't forget she just spent almost an entire character drawn as a freaking dog because of course*
Archangel is sometimes used to refer to the 7 greatest Seraphim, of which one is Gabriel. Because as Red brings up in the video, terminology in Christianity is inconsistent.
We basically have two sets of archangels: the "slightly above regular angels" and the seven big Seraphim, who are also referred to by this name. So we got the archangels and THE Archangels *guitar riff*
@@hypoaktivnaovca Depends. Some man categorized the Hiearchy for Angels, but most Christian Do times agree the Archangels (the Seraphs) are one of the highest positions. Depending on which branch, there are ranging from 4 too more, examples are Uriel, Raphael, Michael, Gabriel, etc. You can check the Apocrypha or just the Prophets Section of the Old Testement in the Bible, where they talk about angels. It gets whole lotta confusing, since the Jewish system for Angels are completely different than this one.
@@calebkim5321 This is catholic canon so the Seraphim are not Archangels (That's Jewish) as Seraphiel and Metatron are the Seraph Archangels while michael is considered a seraph he's normally just called "Archangel". The others have not really been called Seraphim. Metatron is the record keeper and Seraphiel leads the Seraphim in praising god in music and chant. There are many Seraphim, only a couple are Archangels. The hierarchy is more about how close they are to god and what they do. the Seven archangels are considered the highest of all angels as they surround god during the end of days or whatever but their acting in the world makes them one of the "Earthly" angels.
L. T C. Well it was the first sin nothing like this had ever happened So it's not exactly punishable by being stuck with the idiot that tricked your wife
@@stefanmircetic8798 half expected her to continue "save us all precious time...". If this video was made after hh, it probably would have been an intentional reference XD
So, my takeaway from this was that Dante's epic three-part self-insert fic was written on LSD and/or illustrated by Hideaki Anno circa "The End of Evangelion".
