Wrong, the angel Lucifer only shows up ONCE in the bible and it may not be a character at all considering what the word "Helel" means. Satan is also not a fallen angel, it is described as a dark spirit and an opposite, it simply means adversary. All in all it is just the typical belief that light equals good and darkness equals evil, even though we require both in order to live mentally healthy lives (( from a scientific perspective that is )).
He's absolutely not lying. According to the book this animation is based upon, "Satan" is a rather common name among angels. The guy in the animation? He's just a relative of the Satan you're more familiar with.
The truly freaky part is, Mark Twain never managed to finish his story "The Mysterious Stranger" His conflict in writing this is expressed in the look on his face after traumatizing the kids in this scene. Makes the little "lesson" shown here all the more deep...
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I remember the first time I saw this scene in the film. Not only does it manages to scare the shit out of me, but it's also filled with some pretty heavy thought-provoking themes and symbolism. I mean, if any one reads some of Mark Twain's work, you'd actually think the same way he felt towards politics, religion and just about everything. The guy was fucking amazing.
Rodney 2x4 He was interesting, but I feel like Twain's bitterness really got to him near the end. A lot of his later works seem to show him becoming angry at the world.
+Droobis I know, I'm just saying that, understandable or not, hating the world, and, to some extent, the people in it, is hardly what I'd call wisdom. The sheer amount of venomous rage in Twain's "Mysterious Stranger" is something I've seen in few other places.
Funnist Preacher A lot of people think that way. They love the earth but hate the people. It's highly hypocritical but it's just an idea/ way of thinking. He's probably not too concerned as coming off wise, the earth as well as the humans that inhabit it is an interesting topic in my opinion. Would you recommend Mysterious Stranger?
What is disturbing is how the animators literally created their own deity, and then end the scene with the thought that "...nothing exists but you and empty space..." I don't only see contradictions, I see parallels. Love this scene.
And it gets really deep when you consider the multiverse hypothesis. Every conceivable reality has or will exist at some point, somewhere. Every story you have ever heard, or even those you thought up yourself, and the infinite different ways those stories could end all have billions of years of causality that must have happened to lead up to that one point, countless numbers of people who lived their lives, billions of years of joy and suffering all for that one single point in time you pondered for just a fleeting moment. The universe as we know it could simply be the build up to a point countless centuries in the future that a parent made up to lul their child to sleep. You are but a thought, just as they are.
I love this so much. I really enjoy fictional interactions of people with the devil. The nativity of the children, and the neutral, stoic speech of Satan accompanied by his sacrilege actions and cynical words make a chilling combination. His face transforming to reflect the state of his emotion, even though his voice remains calm was very interesting. What a great piece of art.
I remember seeing this on television when I was about 5. I loved this whole movie but this scene was most unforgettable. This Stranger gives me the chills and I like the tortured aspect of this replaying of ancient futility he is trapped with.
That guy spoke some of the realest shit I've heard today tho,, the only problem was he didn't know right from wrong, and wrong is subjective anyway especially if you consider death bad. From his point of view killing the claydolls made sense since he created them and they brought negativity to themselves and to their creator. If they were really alive is up to debate just in the same way where you know you're alive but should never be too sure anyone else is from one pov. The problem, and the scary part, comes when you replace the claydolls with real people you know and care about. This fear of losing them is what many people use to manipulate others but without that fear you're kind of delimited somewhat.. I forgot where I was going with this.. If the devil exists he would be the source of all negativity but if you can transcend duality he no longer exists in the people who subjectively believe in him. And you are but a thought in that all you are is awareness when it come to your immediate reality,, everything is just concepts ideas/ subjective reality
+Ein alter rostiger Toaster Not as heavy as Berserk :P haha But yeah man this is my favorite depiction. The full movie is mostly light hearted, so this part really comes off as a surprise.
garnetgirl05 It is "The Adventures of Mark Twain". It is a claymation movie that features several vignettes based on Mark Twain stories. This particular one is from one of the last stories that Twain ever wrote.
Couldn´t have said it better,I mean at some point we have to show our Children that there are darker things in this world and not just Rainbows and Pink Cotton Candy.
Yeah i like this. I'm not sure why it's suddenly not ok to scare kids anymore. Fear is a really useful emotion and kids need to learn how to deal with being afraid and talking about being afraid and asking questions about the things that frighten them. That will never happen if they never get to feel scared. There is a version of Pinocchio, it's Italian, that we used to watch as little kids. It was terrifying pretty much from start to finish. We lived through it being our favourite fucking movie just fine.
HeavyMetalAlicorn rainbows and pink cotton candy? if only. . . no, what kids have today is complete shit and theyre brainwashed into liking it. take the lorax movie in comparison to the original for example.
Sure, but *this* is on another extremity. It's too creepy and too deep for children. If I would choose what my children have to watch, I rather take rainbows and pink cotton candy than existential philosophy of fallen angel.
Hiperforteca You underestimate children. let them be exposed to this when theyre young, and still believe that the world finds value in them. Wait until they're older, and it'll hit em like thors fucking hammer. they wont be stupid ass adults whos brains are filled with candy, and thatll cost them socially, but at least theyll have saccharin idiocy to turn to for comfort because they wont be burned out. Im going to go watch MLP now and milk myself.
The psychology of the death scene is great. Satan builds and creates life from clay. A whole castle is brought to life. Tiny little people. a king and queen, soldiers and farmers. One of the kids makes a cow and the farmers begin to squabble over the rights to the animal. the fuss and commotion annoys Satan and he kills the two arguing farmers and the cow. Then Satan creates a terrible storm and earthquake to crumble the foundation of Earth and to swallow all in to the grave. The kids are horrified. The beautiful and fascinating little world that was brought to life for their amusement was suddenly and violently destroyed in front of them. Satan merely remarks that he can do no wrong for he does not know what right and wrong are. It may have appeared that he murdered an entire kingdom, but they were only clay to begin with. The artist simply tired of his creation. It doesn't really matter. Every thing fades in time, people come and go, civilizations rise and fall. But he is wrong about people being of no value. It only takes one person to change the course of history and many humans stand the testament of time. heroes. "Mankind is haunted by the vastness of eternity. We ask ourselves, will our actions echo through the centuries of time, will strangers read our names long after we are gone and wonder who we were?"
MrShaun42088 Well Lucifer is more of a testament to the evils: greed, vanity, pride etc. Taking the bible into account, you'll see he both despises God and everything he's created, so he tirelessly works to try and pull as many people down before the end of all days.
Jess S 'And said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?' (Acts 13:10)
I keep thinking about that "My favorite animal's a kitty cat what about you Jessica?" vine where she goes "How 'bout you Becky?""SATAN.""STOP IT BECKY THAT'S NOT AN ANIMAL!"
This part has always been creepy to me, especially when the stranger says his name is Satan. Aside from that, what I have noticed though, is that at one point in this part of the film, satan grows a mustache and spawns a cigar so that he resembles Mark Twain. Has anyone else noticed this? What are your thoughts on it?
I think it is supposed to emphasize that satan can be found in many different forms. He may take the shape of the person who is ruining your life, or he may even be the idea that is meant to destroy someone. I think mark twain portrayed satan as himself for a moment also to make a parallel between the two. Mark twain is a storyteller, and in this scene, satan was building a story (IMO) for the three kids. Just my thoughts on the matter.
For me, the changing mask was meant to hide his intentions, which perfectly exemplifies satan's deceptive nature. And as TheCAMDENRULES said, he takes many forms in order to appear as "the good guy" to manipulate and gain trust.
@@bjcantrell1990 In the original book this scene comes from (and condenses somewhat, Satan isn't the devil but an angel visiting mortals to reveal the true nature of things to them. (Parallel to the actual Lucifer before his fall from grace.) Twain is incredibly critical of the Judeo-Christian God makes the point that to God, humans are meaningless by God's own treatment of his own creation. I love this clip but it sort of gives a skewed impression of what the book was really about, a critique on superstition and so-called human "morals".
This was without a doubt the CREEPIEST use of claymation I have ever held witness to, and is most likely the creepiest use of claymation in the history of mankind.
You are imaginary. You don't exist. You are part of someones imagination. Why do you think you walk in a room, and forget why you came there? Why is it, that people have different beliefs? You are nothing, but only a thought.
Cold hearted but one of the truest forms of philosophy on human value if emotions didn't exist. Even so I would find this to show the true nature of god in the bible more than anything else.
The God of the Old Testament in the sense that he caused the great flood as a punishment yes, but God also doesn't directly force our subservience on pain of death- we are all judged fairly in that system AFTER we die. Its a subtle distinction and religious cynics will probably pitch a fit but there you have it.
Spikeelsucko "we are all judged fairly in that system AFTER we die." - Except that's not biblical founded either. The believers/non-believers are judged vastly differently.
so you think intelligence adds value? what a pitiful excuse to bump yourself up on the chain of existence. All is equal, all is worthless, and all is beautiful.
No my friend, not in life; but in our lives; that is our human lives. Believe it or not, intelligence has been around much longer than our species has. How else would we have acquired it? Matter is neither created nor destroyed.
***** I do to some degree. My views are different from the generic "missing link" model. I believe that the brain was affected by psychoactive drugs (mushrooms and the like) in earlier species when they migrated. If this is true (no extreme proof it is, or isn't) that means intelligence (a brain path that is inside the mind) was revealed, not simply created from scratch. Meaning that is was already there to begin with. This proves to be most logical to me.
Its called the Adventures of Mark Twain by Huckleberry Fin. Its a wonderful movie. The kids up just fine. Its a wonderful and well written story! Please look it up and enjoy!
Okay, okay, okay you guys. This argument stuff is getting old really quickly. Cleveland Biller, you absolutely cannot prove that God exists, no matter how hard you try. CrackChoc, you absolutely cannot prove that God does not exist, no matter how hard you try. God is an idea that cannot be proven true or false. And the Torah was not written by God, for goodness sakes, it was written by a group of rabbis sitting around and writing their ideological history that was told by word of mouth for decades and decades before them. And I'm a semi-religious Jew saying this. Now stop arguing. ;)
hello fellow phandom member. Phil said he privated a lot of his old videos and so did other RU-vidrs so maybe that's why? also why tf was he watching this😂
This would really give me nightmares to watch as a child. It scares me now. Perfect 80's horror movie music in the background too. And the voices of the little clay people are creepy as fuck.
"People are of no value. We could make more sometime if we need them. Life itself is only a vision; a dream. Nothing exists save empty space and you. And you are but a thought." Damn
Just speculation, but I don't think the Mysterious Stranger is actually Satan. After all, Satan was never able to create life. If you thought this clip was dark before, imagine how much darker it gets when you imagine that it's God talking to the kids.
He is making a parody of life, playing with human feeling and perceptiones. For me, it is avery appropiate approach to the concept of Satan, a fallen angel who envies/hates mankind. In fact, evil rule numer one is to make you thnk God is kind of evil no?
I would like to add that a True God has actual emotion. Sad, Happy, Envy, Mad ect-Where as Satan in this video acted almost with no emotion. Anything without emotion is highly capable of wicked things.
just finished watching the movie on Netflix, and its pretty good i find myself wanting to read some of mark twains works now thanks to the mysterious stranger segment in particular
This rendition is way darker than in the book. The book described satan (which is just the nephew of the real satan, it turned out) as charming and playful and all knowing. He answered the questions of the children even though they didn't even ask them. He looked down on humans because he perfectly understood all their faults even though he had none of them himself (of all his family members, only his uncle sinned and was cast down because of it). Comparing himself to humans is like comparing Caesar to a piece of dirt. He shows no remorse after smashing the clay people as much as we'd show no remorse smashing a brick, not caring if it had value.
rorystjohn It sounds like the riff on Come Down To Us at 47 seconds in. Could also just be a coincidence. Haven't seen anything on whosampled. Who knows. 🤔
Mark Twain would have enjoyed this allegory very much. One of the original flaws with the Biblical text is that God is omnipresent, he knows everything. So how was Satan created? God created everything, so he must have created Lucifer, knowing that eventually he would fall to Hell, and become Satan. He also knew that Eve was going to be tempted by Satan in the Garden of Eden, and that she would fail this test. So why was he angry when he created us in his own image, to know we would be imperfect, and let us live on as we are? Why would God create Satan, and then become angry when his own imperfect creation failed against the embodiment of evil and temptation? God's an asshole.
+foreverdamned12 God does not anger. What you've introduced is a gross simplification, and a gross disrespect to the abrahamic religions. Calling God an "asshole" out of your ignorance and unwillingness to cease cherrypicking and making half-baked interpretations of the bible from things that you've almost certainly heard, not read, is absolutely disgusting. God works in mysterious, deliberate ways. To create satan and place him against his creation was almost certainly a test, a test that Adam and Eve had failed because of their own incompetence. Blaming a good teacher for failing a test is irresponsible, so is blaming God for Adam and Eve's failure. The nature of God's omnipresence is also very unclear, and it is likely that it may be limited, as it is stated in the bible that humans are given free will. If absolute omnipotence is one of God's qualities, then that means that all of existence is already laid out, and it also means that humans have no free will. It may be that God's sight is in different paths that could be taken by humans, with miniscule and major scale details dictating the outcome of the present into future. Don't make conclusions if you don't know about the religion.
As a former Christian, it's a "gross oversimplification" to believe that all of God's ""mysterious works"" are benevolent or testing in nature. The original Abrahamic God was one that conquered and one that would destroy his enemies with plagues and pestilence, even his own people. It's only been very recently that the idea of a loving and benevolent God has come to mainstream. Also, if God is truly omipresent and not limited (which is one of the main beliefs of Christianity) and all of existence is already planned out, he knew Eve would fail that test. What kind of teacher gives someone a test that is delibratley planned for them to fail and then sees fit to condemn them for a test that they had no chance of succeeding in? God's an asshole.
+foreverdamned12 It doesn't seem like you've read the scripts, from what I can tell. It's funny that you question God's nature but what of the people inhabiting this world? God doesn't do evil, but he allows it to be so. If you read the book of job, even if you read all of Genesis and exodus, you would know that...or so I hope. He gave us free will, yes. Adam and Eve had that same right, and they both failed. Satan told them to eat the fruit, God told them not to. They chose to eat the fruit, just like Cain chose to kill his brother, just as the villagers that criticized Noah died off. We choose, and we only have ourselves to blame for the consequences. What good can come from evil?
I never said he wasn't. He has it paved out for us either way. We fail or we don't, but we have free-will to make that choice. Don't believe it if you don't want to, that's your choice too.
*+ Asia Russell* The idea that God allows us to have free will is a rather recent one, and it's not an idea supported by statements in the Bi(b)le, either. You'll find far more passages in the Bi(b)le indicating that we're all born with a purpose, God predestines our judgement, and there's nothing we can do to oppose God's plan.
***** He's referred to the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" It's a cool representation because it indicates the animator has drawn on research to give us something unique instead of the popular red-skinned satyr with a bifurcated tail.
It never seems to fail that in every childes claymation movie there has to be that one five minute part made specifically to creep the audience out. Aside from that, this scene is awesome.
Its probably a reference to the phrase "I think therefore I am." Basically, the idea is the only thing you know for certain is that you exist. That however does not mean your human body exists. For all you know, everything in existence is all an illusion, and you are simply a "Thought", without any physical presence anywhere..
who cares this person's claymation skills are about on par with a 10 year old.. nothing too profound to analyze other than the Satanic worship in the subtext.
Which is what is being done here. It's so much more powerful than if you used a bunch of minimized actors on a green-screen. The true horror and creepiness.
Satan's a pretty cool guy, gives childs healthy food and encourage them to play with traditionals toys and tools that encourage their growth instead of all this electronic bamboozle videogayme we have today.
