"Club Kid" Homicide? | Michael Alig Case Analysis 

They did come to see Michael. He had power, money, connections, free drugs and alcohol. He had his own magazine, project x. He was on television, he was being documented by the original vlogger Nelson Sullivan. The club kids were the original influencers. Several of them continued on to have successful careers in the art and fashion industries. Many of these people were gifted, their stories completely overshadowed by Michael's antics and this unfortunate murder.

☝️ I agree-well put.

@@andreastone7507 some people definitely did go to get close to Alig but a lot of people including myself went for the awesome music and wild atmosphere. Most NYC clubs today are incredibly lame by comparison. Nelson Sullivan's videos are incredible. You're right, he was the original vlogger. I somehow stumbled across them on YT. I walked past his former home the other night and took a couple pics. It looks largely the same except now the sidewalks and streets are overflowing with douchey people and the meat packing businesses are replaced with high end boutiques, hotels, restaurants and multimillion dollar apartments.

hahahaha thats all the media was...thats why the kids were able to have this limelight.

Good idea 👍🏻

My sister (who has a violent, abusive streak and is an addict) always admired Lisa. It’s hard to say if Lisa grew out of her ways but I know my sister never did. As an adult I watch this movie and realized why. Back then I always thought Suzanna want out because she got better but now I think it was more because she didn’t want to end up like Daisy. I think it is a good idea to evaluate it and even talk about how our opinions can change.

Which one do you think shows pretty good accuracy?

@@ren17x50 Bojack Horseman is a show that depicts mental illness very well!

Girl Interrupted and Prozac Nation were memoirs. So they are subjective based on the author’s experience and viewpoint.

No payment likely bc you were a young attractive lady. Just putting it out there

@@sciencenate yeah maybe but as a club child in the early 2000s I saw plenty of freebies handed out to boys and girls alike. Just depended on the place and the type of people around. Back then it was cheap and high quality and while we probably shouldn’t have been doing it at 18-19-20 years old… that was just the thing to do and lots of interesting conversations and fun was had. People could bond overnight with what would usually take a year to do; and that’s why they used to use ecstasy in marriage counseling in the 80s I think? Molly today isn’t the Molly of those days from what I read the chemical makeup is totally wrong bc the trees they used to make the quality stuff they cut them all down so they’re super rare to find for the base material. There was a really good study done on mdma and it’s effects on empathy also healing ptsd anxiety and depression. Along with ketamine and mushrooms. Pretty interesting stuff.

@@sciencenate well all I can add to that is growing up on long island NY ectsasy was around a LOT, I did my share, though I only ever witnessed the freebies being offered to the young ladies

his dad looks super familiar, is he an actor or something?

@@sciencenate boys, they like boys

Heavy drug users don't get smug, it only gets in the way of the high... getting in the way of the high is why Angel was killed in the first place.

@@joshentheosparks7492 Smugness in a K-Hole... Too funny!)

Michael, was only smug when it came to fashion. Definitely not when it came to the tragedy...

Lolzords

LOL

I wish you all the best in your ongoing sobriety! I have been on prescribed opiates for 30 years for severe chronic pain. In my case, I, and my doctors, have no other choice. We've tried absolutely everything to help control the pain, EVERYTHING, but the only thing I can tolerate is what I'm on. Still, although I can somewhat function, although I can't work, these meds aren't optimum. But again, it's all I have. My meds are prescribed very carefully, and I take them very carefully. A person who has pain doesn't become addicted. During the very rare times when, for some reason, my pain settles down, I don't take my meds,. The weird thing is that I don't crave the meds then and don't show signs of withdrawal. I'm always hoping for new, safer meds and or new treatments. Take good care of yourself and be safe!

Wow??!! You DON'T withdraw from on/off.thirty.years of opiates?? That is.INCREDIBLE!!!XXX

Congratulations on being opiate free for 2 years! I don't know you, but I'm proud of you you! I work in an inpatient drug detox/rehab and I see what the patients go through to be able to walk out of our facility clean. But yes, one day at a time, or even one minute at a time sometimes. No oopsies or relapses, you've got this. Hang in there and keep up the great work. You are worth fighting for. 💜

Right on, Sharon! I have been dope free for 6 years & 11 months. I actually began using in 1996, right after I stopped going to Tunnel & Limelight & The Palladium...I was 19 back then. Congrats on another day not being a slave to the smack.

Very proud of you. This shit is rough, especially when you have pain. I always have to keep quiet when I want to ask for a shot, because if I say it out loud it will become real. If I can keep it it my head, I can argue with myself into finding a better solution. If I say it outloud, I'm doomed. I am about 4 months completely sober at this point with no relapses, but have been on methadone for about 1 1/2 years(and working very hard to get off of it as well). One day at a time, one moment at a time.

Rachel seems like an interesting person. I can't say I think much of her music though.

I met screaming rachel backstage at the Geraldo show, she was very upset at the way Geraldo flipped the script and tried to blame her, after inviting her to his show.

@@morellawalker373 She should have brought up ' Al Capone's vault ' lol

Yes..."Pose" paid homage to her

YES. PLEASE.

Great idea 💡

Oh!! This is who I was thinking of! Yes he should cover it

YES!!!

Hah! I was about to make the same comment!

I said the same thing while watching this...definitely awesome movie!

Are we talking about killer klowns from outter space? Because that is an incredible movie!

you never met HISTRIONIC- until you met my siblings; all Dramatic types.

The music was better lol. But I've learned to like the movie

Was. Alig died a few years ago

@@natalier7204 wow did he really?? I know he had a RU-vid channel. I didn’t know he died tho. Haven’t watched the video yet. Edit: wow yeah heroin fentanyl and meth. On Christmas. What a way to go. That’s sad all around. What a waste of a life.

@MmeFangsAlot definitely dont blame it on the drugz. His personality helpes him murder

He overdosed a few years ago.

Wow...certainly a unique, repulsive statement. The disdain for that clown is well deserved.

he continued to do drugs because he was a drug addict. He didn't care about the fact that he took a life to steal drugs and money. He only ever cared about himself. He was not struggling with guilt. He was a psychopath

Heehee!

I wondered how many people would catch that!

That is a good insight. There definitely is a strong Nihilistic tendency that takes possession of the heroin junkie.

That last witness had me pulling my hair out. He's the reason people don't seek out treatment. Substance use disorder I feel bad for his victims, I mean Patience's.

Same

Angel was not Puerto Rican - he was from Colombia, South America. Your story sounds as true as anything George Santos says.

@@firstnamelastname6193 Hmm. Well, apparently my friend was wrong about the ethnic background of the guy who was killed. What I say is true and I don’t give a flying fukkk what you think or say. Phhttt. See ya! Wouldn’t wanna be ya!

What is it all about? He shades NJ so often but I still don't get why? Do you know?

It's just easy to do! Ask anyone!

What did your parents think?

@@eadweard. they never realized it was happening lol

Sometimes young people know what they want to do in life, were you always interested in psychology & the psyche of humans.. could that be why you chose to relate to someone in prison, communicate rather. Were you playing a game with his brain or were you actually trying to figure something out? Please don’t take offense to this, did you feel like you were superior while doing this.. or were you quite lonely?Final.. Were you trying to find a soul or a conscience? Did you find what you were looking for? Or are you possibly just quite macabre? I wouldn’t inquire in any other format be assured, although Dr. Grande does discuss these sort of things… I hope you’re in school.🧠🎓🌍. Signed, Not Insidious 🏄‍♀️.

@@ZYX84 I had just moved to a new town & was living with my grandmother (also from Indiana)...saw the Party Monster movie & was intrigued by his lively character. How one can be so full of life & color can do something so horrendous is what got to me I guess you'd say. He was very open and honest...answered every question you'd ask. He had my photo on his wall along with many others...I wonder what happened to them all? & I actually interpret for ASL clients in a sober living facility! Thank you & I take no offense at this. *edit* it was never anything dark. I truly wanted to know what type of person he was.

I’ve considered being a prison pen pal myself but you really take a chance. He could have looked up your address when he was paroled

And from Arizona!🌵🌵

thx!! but something tells me there's an even deeper onion layer . . . fo' real.

Yikes. Um...thanks, I guess. We advertised, "Outrage!", with DJ Keoki and Whill Thrillwell spinning every week. Alig, was there for his own party every week...my guess is you as well as others more faint-of-heart just don't grace the LES?

@Ric Guiseppe i wasn't. I corresponded with him through letters.

@Ashley Powers i never felt sorry for him. I do believe he felt bad about it but as far as truly being sorry, I'm not so sure. My sadness came more from a life lost and what could have been. I felt worse for Angel's family.

@@armani3287 absolutely not!!! I'm a 57 year old grandmother of 7. We were the same age. We never talked about anything like that. Michael was gay. Mainly he talked about my life and how if things had been different he could have been somewhat in my shoes.

wow thanks for the story. he clearly adored attention but never seemed to hold focus and became too "flaky" when he had real job duties. jump to him getting out to a world where queer identity and self expression is more accepted and even being a youtube personality these days is serious 40+ hour a week work: its obvious the world changed and he didnt.

Joy, this says a lot about you as a person and none of it good.

♥️♥️

I knew him well. He loved his friends. The tragedy was a combination of many events...like many things in life, nuanced, and not just on one person in this case.

He spoiled ecstacy for everyone.

Well, actually, I blame the disgrace also known as Rudy Giuliani.

Most people here have not studied the story the truth the back story as you have. It's horrifying and Alig tried to get away with murder by suggesting it was self defense. No body to autopsy cause of death. We all know how drug addiction ends and these people all think they can do coke or heroin and not suffer the consequences. He was a spoiled brat with addictive personality. Histrionic personality behavior is very difficult to be around. Sickening story. I feel bad for his parents. They didn't intend to raise their child to grow up to behave that way. A socialite woman friend of his died in a tragic accident when the car she was in drive off a moving ferry enroute to an exclusive island off Miami.

Agree

It was self defense in the beginning as the physical altercation began with angel. He threw Michael into a glass door cabinet and a piece of glass went straight through him. Angel then began to choke Alig. Freeze 's original strike to the back of Angel's head didn't stop him. It took three hits to get Angel off of Alig. It's THEN that Alig began to smother Angel with a pillow or shirt because he had just been attacked and he was pissed. Until then, he was the victim and could have called the police. Angel was a known queen from the piers and that was a rough crowd. He was no lightweight. There's no proof that Drano was fed to or injected into Angel while he was alive. This was horrible and none of those involved were saints. Gatien was a powerful man in New York at the time and loudly threatening to turn him into the FBI probably wasn't a great idea for Angel. If the murder hasn't happened I don't think things would have gone well for him either way.

Most of the club kids eventually wound up dead or in jail or both

@@andreastone7507 The issue with the first part of your explanation for what happened is that we only have Michael's word for it. Freeze and Daniel Auster were in Freeze's bedroom so didn't see the start of the "fight". The glass from the cabinet cut into the back of Michael's neck but it didn't go "straight through him" as you stated. The coroner report states clearly that it was suffocation that killed Angel not the three hammer blows.

It was.

Great idea!

It was in Nebraska

That'd be a good video

I think Angel's family naturally, didn't want to recognize or acknowledge aspects of Angel's behavior and life, and they tried to portray him in the best light as an innocent victim. Yes, Angel was a victim, and what happened to him was tragic. But Angel was deeply involved in a very bad scene full of some bad people, and he was dealing drugs - he was a drug seller and engaging in an illegal activity that's linked to other unsavory illegal activities. And in that line of work, he was exposing himself to a lot of danger. Drug addicts can get desperate, and things can definitely go south. This probably would never have happened if Angel weren't a) involved with the likes of Alig and Riggs - both amoral people without conscience or sense of boundaries, and with poor impulse control, and b) he wasn't selling or dealing drugs. In those circles, Angel could have gotten injured or killed by some other violence-prone addict, or been robbed and killed in a drug deal gone bad. The fact that Riggs and Alig continued to take drugs and party whilst the body of the friend that they had killed sat in a bathtub for a couple of days, indicates just how lacking they were in both a sense of reality, and the intensity of their drug addictions and addiction to chasing the moment and hedonism. Nothing mattered more than the next fix, not even taking care of the evidence of such an enormous crime. I don't feel all that shocked by Angel's dismemberment. Angel was already dead, and the most practical way to get rid pf the body and evidence seems to have been to dismember the body. How else would they do that other than cutting off arms and legs etc. The horrifying part is that Alig and Riggs killed their friend, someone whom they'd known for a while and had often hung out with - over nothing more than some drug debts. Well more precisely, it was because of a heated argument over unpaid drug debts. And then Alig and Riggs simply partied away on the drugs that they took from Angel, as though nothing had happened.

Publicity isn't the problem, as such. It's the style of reporting. Sometimes reporters and authors will agree to anything in order to land an interview with killers, including agreeing to avoid tricky questions and giving the questions to the interviewee beforehand so they can sign off. If reporting on murderers is honest, they will most often come across how they truly are: as highly unlikeable and pathetic morons. Some people want media blackouts on shooters and serial killers. I think this would be counter-productive and only add to the potential for a mystique surrounding the individual. People could impose whatever image they wished into that void of knowledge. For the most part, people don't murder to be glamorous or to "be like So and So". This latest media myth is just one more attempt to simplify the complex. Even in cases where the killer *says* they were influenced by So and So, you'll find a history of combined complex factors like mental illness, abuse and personality disorders. Lack of empathy has far more explanatory power than emulation.

@@aarondavis8943 I'm Canadian and we had a mass shooting here in the small Atlantic province of Nova Scotia in 2020. Despite the crime being all over the news, our media never reported the gunman's name. In fact the first time I ever heard it was on this channel months ago. I see nothing wrong with reporting on crime but I like it when the killers names are not reported. Some people do this type of thing for attention and infamy - if they aren't going to get their name in the news they may think twice

It seemed like the media really really wanted "The Joker" movie to cause another violent event.

New Jersey is home almost exclusively to monsters. Almost everyone cheats on their taxes. Skinning babies is a popular pastime, and law enforcement tolerates it, if not participates in it. If you park in someone else' space, they'll weld you inside your car and then set it on fire. Parents regard feeding their kids as optional, and, yes, law enforcement tolerates this because they all share this attitude. Mind you, these attitudes and behaviors are the *norm* there. The majority are this way. Congress has even voted on whether to mustard gas the state and start over. The bill passed, but the courts blocked it.

Don't other countries have an area or town that is just easy to make fun of? NJ has some beautiful areas but much of what is close to NYC is industrial and "stinky"! The good doctor also lives in Delaware which is just the next state over so...😶

Ps. I went to college in NJ and loved it! ( Drew U in Madison, NJ)

The James st James book was better than the movie. More detailed about the lifestyle written by someone that lived it and was art of some of the events.

@@ParasitikOne Definitely, the book was hilarious! A big problem in adapting it is that humor in a book is a completely different thing from humor on film.

@@balthasardenner5216 yeah too many things got lost in translation when converting the book to a movie.

Hi Renee! So nice of you to always include us in your greetings!😍

Drugs are bad.

Yeah perhaps but you are funny!😁

But you are alive and, I assume, not in prison so you're doing something right!

@@evabell9749 got out of prison and got clean 2 years ago.. how did you know I was in prison? Lol

@@AMM3. I didn't but was comparing your life to Michael's. Good luck and good decisions wished for the rest of it!

I don't think it was intentional.

Any bouncer is not going to be delicate with what you happen to be wearing if they decide to toss you out.

He puts up a whole lot of videos! Makes me worry about you!🤔🤒

@@bthomson To be fair, I do smoke a lot of weed!

@@VideoSaySo You should have grown out of it by now.

@@eadweard. The CDC and DEA shouldn't make it so difficult for people like me to get adequate pain control. I have a degenerative bone disease and three new tumors on my spine! You're damn straight I'm going to smoke as often as I get the chance. It's the only thing keeping me alive at this point.

How many anti-gay parents knew who this oddball was?

Lol.. With Seth Green and Macauly Culkin? “Good” is a stretch but that’s subjective, I suppose…

@@alexmartin3143 I remember watching it and was high as a kite and was really into it. Home alone kid and Seth green did a good job acting as a flamboyant gay guys.

Maybe not good but it is fun!

What absolute twaddle.

Great?

Just depends on how much you do 🙃

You mean we need specific names like "triple sod", "yellow bentines", "loonytoad quack", "Joss Ackland’s spunky backpack", "rustledust", "chronic Basildon doughnuts", "bromicide", "ponce on the heath", "cool thwacks and charlie", "argue barmies" or "Hattie Jacques' pretentious cheese wog"?