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White House Farm Murders | Perfect Murder Attempt? | Jeremy Bamber Case Analysis 

Dr. Todd Grande
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This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Jeremy Bamber?
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@alisharocklin2741
@alisharocklin2741 Год назад
Dr. Grande you're the best! I wish you could speculate about what's going on in my life and the lives of my family members! You'd need a month of videos for that! I have learned so much from watching your videos about narcissism, personality disorders, etc. I'm also true crime junkie so your channels cover everything! If there's one you tuber I have to watch single every day, it's you! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your sense of humor with us!
@gregevans6044
@gregevans6044 Год назад
Get up. Go to work. Come home, eat some dinner, watch Dr. G. Go to bed. Repeat. Lol
@christineackman3520
@christineackman3520 Год назад
8⁰⁰
@khentsi
@khentsi Год назад
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@SassanMedia
@SassanMedia Год назад
He will just speculate about what maybe happening in a situation like your family
@SassanMedia
@SassanMedia Год назад
He will just speculate about what maybe happening in a situation like your family
@helpyourcattodrive
@helpyourcattodrive Год назад
Let’s do this. It’s Grande time. Always a good time. I learn a lot from every Grande video. So much great information.
@GeneRogers-xl9um
@GeneRogers-xl9um Год назад
Much bad evidence has convicted innocent people as bad and improper evidence has let guilty people go free. I believe what analysis was pretty spot on. With the investigation poorly done by the police opens up several scenarios as you concluded. Kudos for another fine presentation and analysis.
@charlesgerety1403
@charlesgerety1403 Год назад
Dr. Grande is the undisputed Champion of Dry Humor
@elanahammer1076
@elanahammer1076 Год назад
Sad… I have never heard rabbits being too loud. They are generally quiet animals. Thank you 🤔❤🇺🇸
@sharonhowell582
@sharonhowell582 Год назад
I have had several as pets and they were all quiet but one. I tried to walk that one on a leash, once. 😳 It screamed so loudly I thought it was possessed and I don’t believe in possession. I never did that again and he remained silent the rest of his life. He was a domestic rabbit but obviously not that domestic. 😂
@MooseGuy1
@MooseGuy1 Год назад
I have rabbits around my house and can assure you that they party like it's 1999.
@xpinkrainx
@xpinkrainx Год назад
@@MooseGuy1 LMAO truth! i have one rabbit - super sweet boy but when he parties he binkies and jumps like its a cluster of rowdy kids and cats lmao XD those angry thumps are also insanely hardand loud XD but i never heard of outdoor rabbits causing a rowdy commotion. wild rabbits are usually way more skittish and elusive.
@kingslob3422
@kingslob3422 Год назад
Jeremy felt bossed up like Elmer Fudd.
@taylormfinney
@taylormfinney Год назад
“She believed the devil loved her… so it wasn’t just a casual relationship” 🤣 I laughed out loud at that one, doctor!
@MANSOUL-jy4xk
@MANSOUL-jy4xk Год назад
The devil is real like Jesus! If demons are real and You can watch them the others are real too. Hiding makes the devil unreal and he can be the king on earth until yet! Jesus cries still!
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
Jeremy spread many "rumours" about Sheila due to his jealousy and failures
@NickvonZ
@NickvonZ Год назад
It's AMAZING that you find the time to research these subjects in such great detail, Doctor. If YOU ever hear rabbits, you will hear, "Ehhhh..... What's up, Doc?" 😆
@janinemccartha1811
@janinemccartha1811 Год назад
Hi Dr. G. I hope you're able to see my comment. Good analysis & I really do appreciate your videos, great content. Hope you're having a peaceful evening, love, Janine Smiley✌👍🆒️🐰🐧🐼🐨🐾🦓🦄🏡🌌🌄🌅🌚🌛🌜🌙🌠🌝🌞🇺🇸🍉
@RebelTheUncanny1
@RebelTheUncanny1 Год назад
This has always been one of the sadder crime cases to me. The poor children, and Sheila suffering without help.
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
Jeremy was Sheilas biggest problem. Jeremy was NOT liked by any of Neville & Junes friends. So it is not surprising that they ALL thought Jeremy was guilty.
@christinestanding
@christinestanding 3 месяца назад
Sheila was under treatment. She had also not taken her psychiatric medication at this time.
@Cec9e13
@Cec9e13 Год назад
Sheila's black and white portrait looks like Lynda Carter. Completely irrelevant, but what a GORGEOUS woman.
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
Sheila was a successful model with her own apartment in London
@tonydoherty2190
@tonydoherty2190 2 месяца назад
Sheila did have some success as a model but the flat in London was bought for her by her parents ​@@trevorhart545
@Noname-zx4xj
@Noname-zx4xj Год назад
I think I have acquired something called Dr. Grande's Analysis Addiction. Love your content and dry humour. Respect from Pakistan.
@nancyjensen6409
@nancyjensen6409 11 месяцев назад
I have a friend in Pakistan. Please tell him hello.
@Noname-zx4xj
@Noname-zx4xj 11 месяцев назад
@nancyjensen6409 Pakistan has 5 provinces, 200 cities, countless rural towns and 231.4 million people. Who is your friend?
@timmyturner999_
@timmyturner999_ Год назад
Thank you Dr g your hard work doesn’t go unnoticed
@leehughes857
@leehughes857 Год назад
Thanks for the steady stream of videos Dr. Grande. Much appreciated. I would like to see your take on the life of Kaspar Hauser.
@rullmourn1142
@rullmourn1142 Год назад
This reminds me of that case you did in Australia where the son killed the whole family, and that delusional, retired, rugby player somehow convinced a lot of people that the son was innocent. It also involved a [suicide] by rifle that had a silencer found in the house later. The killer was found NG in the appeal trial, the complete thing was a bad joke of a justice system.
@stellar927
@stellar927 Год назад
the Bain family murder, correct??
@RadzMexicano
@RadzMexicano Год назад
That was David Bain in New Zealand, not Australia.
@towpottsfam7631
@towpottsfam7631 Год назад
Jeremy Bamber is continually appealing... there was new evidence or loophole or development recently. I think he was guilty 'in reality ' so hopevhe stays inside. A personalty assessment of him would have been interesting
@rullmourn1142
@rullmourn1142 Год назад
@@RadzMexicano ..ok, New Zealand, bad joke of a justice system.
@chad3232132
@chad3232132 Год назад
It does sound like a strange system. Didn't that case get overturned because of some ongoing links to the UK justice system, with judges in London overturning the conviction?
@cloudbuster06
@cloudbuster06 Год назад
I have analyzed every member of my family as well as diagnosed ALL of them. They couldn’t handle the truth! The speculating is over. Thanks Dr. Grande!
@jenniferlane9000
@jenniferlane9000 Год назад
😂🤣😂 I've done this years ago. No one believes me 🙄
@sdsurfgirl60
@sdsurfgirl60 Год назад
🤗 that's funny
@Haywood-Jablomi
@Haywood-Jablomi Год назад
Sounds like you are having delusions of grandeur with narcissistic tendencies thinking you are qualified to diagnose anyone based off brief analysis RU-vid videos.
@flotreize3447
@flotreize3447 Год назад
Hello Dr Grande, have you thought about analyzing the case of the death of the French diver Audrey MESTRE ? Her husband, a well-known diver, is suspected to have planned her murder but is free as a bird since she died on her last dive in 2006. Thank you.
@zenawarrior7442
@zenawarrior7442 Год назад
Hard to believe he's not guilty with the motives, gun on table. Always interesting facts, jokes, gun lessons. Thanks Dr G😊💚💚
@tyreseforren6721
@tyreseforren6721 Год назад
He was found guilty and is in prison
@zenawarrior7442
@zenawarrior7442 Год назад
@@tyreseforren6721 You're commenting 8 months later? Do you have a point? I'm not going to rewatch it.
@tyreseforren6721
@tyreseforren6721 Год назад
@@zenawarrior7442 he was found guilty their was just enough reasonable doubt for him to not be convicted.
@cookiemonster7514
@cookiemonster7514 Год назад
@@tyreseforren6721 Police logs show that the father called the Police, then his son who then made a 2nd call to the Police before going to the farm. He was framed by the Police who themselves concluded at the start it was murder suicide by the paranoid schizophrenic sister who just came out of hospital who told her dr she had thoughts to kill her children. Whatever else does not matter as this is proof Jeremy was outside when things were happening.
@garyphisher7375
@garyphisher7375 4 месяца назад
The Coroner said his sister Sheila had no marks on her - then when the crime scene photos are finally released, we see he was clearly lying. Look at her right arm/wrist. She has deep gashes consistent with her being grabbed by another woman. But why would Sheila and June be fighting if Jeremy was holding the gun. A simple swab of June's fingernails would clear up if she was fighting with Sheila - sadly the whole family was cremated!
@deanokay666
@deanokay666 5 месяцев назад
I lived 2 miles away in the next village. It was a very hot, humid night. You’d expect bedroom windows to be open, especially in a remote farm house. Bamber set up the whole thing.
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
I lived in Heybridge and new the G & T Club that Neville and Sue were members of, had a Judge, Senior Army General, Senior Military attache, the GP as members they KNEW it was Jeremy 100%.
@natekeyes2297
@natekeyes2297 Год назад
It immediately occurred to me that having a sister that crazy could cause a person to speculate that they could blame a lot of things on her, including murder.
@doxasophosmoros
@doxasophosmoros Год назад
As oppose to the fact she was absolutely guilty. She wasnt just crazy, she was a violent schizophrenic who threatened to murder her boys frequently and was very abusive. Ockams razor , you fool.
@pcka12
@pcka12 Год назад
Psychotic people kill for no obvious reason & female psychotics can & do kill even though widespread public opinion cannot cope with that fact because they want females to be something many females are not!
@cookiemonster7514
@cookiemonster7514 Год назад
It occurs to me you guys just swallow a police narrative. The original evidence and police logs show the police decided to frame Jeremy. Shows 2 calls were made to them, 1 by the father at 3:26am, and then again by his son at 3:36am, between which the father had called Jeremy. They destroyed evidence and the bullets and did no forensics. 3 guns were actually used, and no silencers were used at all. Why would Jeremy or a hitman leave a silencer in the gun cupboard as evidence? On entering the farm the Police were happy it was murder suicide, as Jeremy was outside with them when their Police logs show they were in communication with Sheila who was moving around the house at 3:45am. Also, these UK rifle bullets were low calibre, and are not lethal bullets unless shot in the head - hence why sheila shot many times.
@pcka12
@pcka12 Год назад
@@cookiemonster7514 .22 is quite lethal at short range, BUT in the UK at that time 'subsonic' cartridges were commonly sold to use with silencers because a 'supersonic' bullet makes a sharp crack once in flight rather destroying the point of using a silencer, so it is entirely likely that all silencers (& there were more than one) are a complete red herring because at close range firing the rifle would simply produce a 'thump' noise & not a 'crack'.
@cookiemonster7514
@cookiemonster7514 Год назад
@@pcka12 I saw pictures of the actual bullets and they are quite small things compared to parabellum rounds you see in USA.
@habbinlad1
@habbinlad1 Год назад
Here in the UK, this is still deemed one of the most divisive cases in our history. Definitely one of those cases where I flip and flop between both sides of the argument....
@alyb6166
@alyb6166 Год назад
My late husband worked for Essex Police, so I know a bit about this one. The silencer, that the police missed but the extended family found later, was covered in blood. The fact that the family's blood was on the silencer didn't crack the case but the fact that Shelia's was, proved she couldn't have shot herself. The police put the silencer on the end of the shotgun and forensics discovered that this made the shotgun far too long for Sheila to put it to her own head. She was quite tiny, if I remember, about 5'2" , and her arms just weren't long enough to fire the shotgun at herself. If she didn't kill herself, then she was murdered, along with her entire family. This forensic evidence, combined with Julie Mugford's testimony, and Jeremy's motivation and failure to account for his whereabouts, contributed to his conviction. It's generally regarded as an open and shut case, and the right man is in prison. Jeremy Bamber wrote to my husband frequently regarding his conviction, and when my husband found out he was dying, he said, "Thank God, I'll have never have to hear from Jeremy Bamber, ever again".
@nizdolls
@nizdolls Год назад
​@@alyb6166thanks for the background. Very interesting!
@eden_aumakua
@eden_aumakua Год назад
@@alyb6166 The Essex Police were the problem.
@nebbyscumbold
@nebbyscumbold 3 месяца назад
@@alyb6166 Researchers in America proved that she wasn't too small to have shot herself with the rifle and the silencer; that's been explained. In fact at the trial of Jeremy Bamber the defence was improperly denied evidence and he wasn't even convicted of ANYTHING forensic; the judge made it clear to the jury that they would have to accept either the personal testimony of Jeremy Bamber or Julie Mugford, and they chose Julie Mugford; the same Julie Mugford who was jilted, sold her story to the News of the World for tens of thousands then fled to Canada. Jeremy Bamber had no incentive to murder his family for money because he already had money and the assets he would have received; namely the businesses, were already part of his own income. His maternal grandmother was far more wealthy and would have given him the lion's share of her will; yet when he was convicted she struck him off and his cousins (who testified against him) ended up very wealthy people as a result. JB will probably die in jail because if he ever got a re-trial he would win hands down; in which case it will be a shock to the system for both the courts and the police; the biggest travesty of British justice since the hanging of Timothy Evans and allowing John Christie to slip through the net. JB shouldn't be in prison.
@chrissyknowsitall5170
@chrissyknowsitall5170 Год назад
I remember when this happened. HBO MAX has a 5 part series about it. This was a horrible murder. RIP 🕊🕊🕊🕊🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@chrissyknowsitall5170
@chrissyknowsitall5170 Год назад
@Clay Can it's was pretty good show. Kinda slow at times but I liked it.
@TheBOG3
@TheBOG3 Год назад
What's the title? I have HBO Max.
@chrissyknowsitall5170
@chrissyknowsitall5170 Год назад
@@TheBOG3 The Whitehouse murders
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
@@chrissyknowsitall5170 NO! The White House Murders are about Joe Biden The White House Farm Murders is about Jeremy Bamber Murdering his Foster Parents, Foster Sister and her Twins.
@lnc-to4ku
@lnc-to4ku Год назад
What a horrific and multi layered case! Your telling of this had me rewinding several times. You put together the most compelling content, Dr. Grande! ♡
@alexsmith-gn4tp
@alexsmith-gn4tp Год назад
Hi DR. Grande, I'm so happy to be one of your many & growing number of subscribers from the U.K. 💗 Love everything that you do.
@gretchen3147
@gretchen3147 Год назад
Love your analysis and humor as always! I would be very appreciative if you would analyze the Cindy James case.
@dowork002
@dowork002 Год назад
Can you maybe cover the case of the beheading that happened in San Carlos 2 days ago with a samurai sword? Would be much appreciated!
@christinecortese9973
@christinecortese9973 Год назад
I had not heard of that & as I spent a lot of time in that area years ago I looked it up - how terrible! What a nightmare for the kids who saw it all. Yes, Dr. Grande, your analysis please.
@greatamericandreamrealtyli6583
I was hoping for the same thing either today or in a day or two.
@cassandraespinosa2223
@cassandraespinosa2223 Год назад
My closest friends live just south of San Carlos, California, in nearby Redwood City. When the news broke about this *horrific* murder, one of my friends shouted, "Just WTF is WRONG with people today?!" I mean, it's just ABSOLUTELY SICK that the young female victim was killed in such a manner.😡😤 Now, her little ones will grow up without their mommy...sigh.😭💔😔
@theovolz3073
@theovolz3073 Год назад
I was on the fence for a while with case, but now I am completely convinced Bamber is guilty. Here are some reasons: > He told a friend he could murder his family by burning down the house. When confronted by this, Bamber simply dismissed the friend as lying but couldn't give any reason the friend might be lying. Bamber's response was simply "go ask him (why he would lie)". Not really a believable denial. > Bamber's ex GF corroborated this story, but said he decided against it because there was too much valuable stuff that'd get destroyed in the fire. I believe she corroborated this without knowing the friend had given the statement. > When accused of murder on the witness stand, Bamber responded to the prosecutor "that is for you to prove" - seriously, what kind of innocent person responds like that? > The main reason I think he's guilty, is that Jeremy Bamber comes off like a COMPLETE SOCIOPATH. Just reading about his personality, behaviour and the things he said and the callous way he acted, I have no doubt he belongs in prison. For example he spent his way through his inheritance after the murders and then attempted to sell nude/topless modelling photos of his dead sister to the press. > I also want to add that Grande is wrong - it can't have been a 3rd party, because Bamber rang the police to say his father rang him to say it was Sheila. Either A) Bamber is telling the truth about the call and Sheila must be the murderer, or B) Bamber is lying about the call and HE is the killer. A 3rd party can't really come out of that scenario. > Rot in prison, Jeremy. > /Rant over.
@jaymike3302
@jaymike3302 Год назад
Yeah...if I was accused of that, I sure as heck wouldn't answer calmly. I'd say I didn't do it !!!
@user-cn8vb9hh5z
@user-cn8vb9hh5z Год назад
Agreed. Absolutely guilty and deserved of his whole life tariff.
@aarondavis8943
@aarondavis8943 Год назад
Your certainty makes your opinion _less_ convincing, not _more._ We just don't have enough information to be that certain. Often people close to these cases can't be certain so whenever I see these comments where someone with no access to the case file, witnesses, police etc and they claim to know, it carries very little weight with me.
@user-cn8vb9hh5z
@user-cn8vb9hh5z Год назад
@@aarondavis8943 well the fact that he's not coming out of prison following the evidence being tried infront of a jury and all his attempts at appeal having been found to have no merit is good enough for me!
@xpinkrainx
@xpinkrainx Год назад
(Correction to my comment now deleted, i misheard and thought the children were NOT harmed. sorry!)
@harpothehealer
@harpothehealer Год назад
Yes the issue I have is the phone company has no record of the phone call from the farm. So if that is the case he's guilty. You have vast experience as a Doctor but here you surprise me with your view. Someone like Jeremy Bamber his personality , He gets off on it telling the girlfriend winding her up scaring her bringing his boy friend into the equation. ( He is in contempt with girlfriend doesn't really like women underestimates her thinks she too scared to say anything fear for own safety )see the overdoing the emotion thing at funeral then straight off to party of all places Amsterdam. Come on surely the personality of this individual coupled with lack of phone record makes him guilty. The sisters behaviour is very disturbing however the fact that Jeremy Bamber just happened to be shooting all afternoon with that gun and leaving it out loaded that is no coincidence. The window latch for years again that is no coincidence. The old man would not make a call to the son in the night while daughter was busy shooting everyone I the house.
@judyjudy51
@judyjudy51 Год назад
I agree - the father would’ve called emergency asap - not his dodgy son
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Год назад
It's not that they had no record of him calling; it's that they didn't keep such records at all.
@harpothehealer
@harpothehealer Год назад
@@eadweard. You are mis informed the phone company 100 % kept records for billing If a call was made from that farm it would have been logged.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Год назад
@@harpothehealer He states no records were kept at 11:02. Edit: as for billing, it was done on a per-minute basis in 1985, with different rates for local, national and international calls. In fact fully itemised billing wasn't introduced nationwide in the UK until 1994.
@dominiclondesborough3222
@dominiclondesborough3222 Год назад
No, you've completely misunderstood. The phone company, British Telecom, didn't keep itemised records of any calls in the UK back in 1985.
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372
@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 Год назад
I originally thought the title said, *Jamie* Bamber Case Analysis. I was like, "Shit, did Lee Adama get busted trying to kill someone _at The White House_ ....?" Glad to see Apollo actually had nothing to do with any of this madness. He's got enough on his plate, eluding the cylons. So say we all.
@davidwartski7213
@davidwartski7213 Год назад
I found your analysis to be as informative as rifle-wielding rabbits on a rampage.
@brianpratt3224
@brianpratt3224 Год назад
The Devils Investigation. You just came up with another great title for another one of your books, Dr. Grande.
@tapoemt3995
@tapoemt3995 11 месяцев назад
As a very long time gun owner and been around those with mental episodes, nobody with an ounce of brains leaves a loaded gun anywhere near someone with her issues. Even for a minute, it is always on your mind.
@jamestnov41945
@jamestnov41945 Год назад
Excellent Dr. Grande. The police "saw" someone in the house but waited hours for their swat team to arrive. Since they were all dead the police needed glasses. Police did not want themselves to be hurt by the unknown spectre in the house. Terrible police work.
@shanmareewalker7836
@shanmareewalker7836 10 месяцев назад
In the documentary, the same police officer says he realised after a few minutes that it was the moons reflection in the window that he saw.
@kennethbowry1521
@kennethbowry1521 4 месяца назад
Corrupt as hell but that Is the PolIce in the UK,is that ok with the 33 degree Masons and the Chief Constable.
@christinestanding
@christinestanding 3 месяца назад
Wasn't Jeremy Bamber standing outside the house with the police when a person was seen moving around in the upstairs room? And isn't there a set of evidence photographs with Sheila being placed in various positions whilst holding a rifle? Some have pointed to the fresh blood on her. It has tracked down her body through gravity, raising the question whether she was actually dead or not at this point.
@kennethbowry1521
@kennethbowry1521 3 месяца назад
@@christinestanding Yes he was framed by the Police just the farmer who shot a Kid breaking into house, Essex Police are nearly bent as the Met.
@kennethbowry1521
@kennethbowry1521 3 месяца назад
@@christinestanding Yes right on the money, but who planted the silencer in the Cupboard after the Police searched it once and whoes fingerprints were on it, he would have been out by now if he just I did it, but no he say it was not me who got the farm after the case just follow the money.
@southernhushpuppy
@southernhushpuppy Год назад
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for your speculation on this case. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about the Bell Tower Sniper Charles Whitman from the 1960s
@nancyjensen6409
@nancyjensen6409 11 месяцев назад
Yes, that was the first crazy murderous episode that I remember. About the same time a young man was kidnapped in Sacramento and never found. As 2 men were escorting him down the street, they passed his uncle and the young man called him by name which wasn’t the usual name he used. I wish the uncle would have responded, but the 2 men had a gun. If you’re going to be killed, better it be in downtown Sacramento than who knows where. 😢😢
@iyalove9383
@iyalove9383 Год назад
Thank you Dr. Grande for working diligently. Amazing content. 👏
@sarahbrennan1342
@sarahbrennan1342 Год назад
Getting my cuppa to watch this one…. I have always been split about this case… the relatives seemed like they were big time after the farm .. and the police seemed ??
@CharlieCharlie881
@CharlieCharlie881 Год назад
The relatives are good people, Bamber is evil ,used to torture animals at the farm
@christinestanding
@christinestanding 3 месяца назад
Who would want to live in the farm after that happened?
@annalisegiovanni7032
@annalisegiovanni7032 Год назад
Hey Dr. Grande💞 I'm super curious to hear what you think about this case. Thank you for the new video. The quality and consistency of the content you put out is absolutely amazing and astounding. Thank you so very much.
@annabasnatural
@annabasnatural Год назад
Thank you so much!! I asked a while ago for this one so I’m so happy you covered it ☺️☺️☺️
@TheCatBilbo
@TheCatBilbo Год назад
I lived in the County of Essex at that time & it was a massive, UK media story - especially shocking as gun crime was very unusual. I've no doubt Bamber is guilty, the way he tried to frame his step-sister was particularly cruel. She apparently committed suicide by shooting herself twice, having killed her two sons & adoptive parents. Bamber had actually broken into & robbed the family-owned caravan site (which he owned 8% of!) some weeks before the murders. He boasted of smuggling heroin, broke into a Jewellers' & stole two watches - he was not a good man. It was thought that his adoptive father had violently struggled with someone in the kitchen; his adopted daughter was too slight to have done this successfully - overcoming a 61-year old. There was also a belief that the father might have been killed upstairs, & dragged into the kitchen. Because the Police believed Bamber was a victim, they actually agreed to his request to burn carpets & bedding. Why would Bamber want that done?! Finally, 25 shots were fired. A silencer with the daughter's blood inside it was found in a cupboard. She hadn't shot herself twice, then put it there! Bamber obviously used the silencer so no-one would know what was happening as he shot the victims, then removed it when he set-up the 'suicide'. This was because he realised his sister couldn't have shot herself in the throat with it attached: her arms weren't long enough.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Год назад
What's wrong with the idea she shot herself twice? Also, a silencer doesn't make a gun silent, or even a great deal quieter. You'd certainly hear a "silenced" gun being fired in your house.
@krob2327
@krob2327 Год назад
He’s guilty. His fellow privileged makes declaring him innocent are just as selfish as him. If it had a regular Essex person in trouble they wouldn’t bat an eyelid.
@pollypockets508
@pollypockets508 Год назад
Damn. Just damn.
@halfrutter2226
@halfrutter2226 Год назад
I’ve never seen this case. Even on any of my British true crime channels. Thanks, Dr. for talking about it. Very interesting and lots of evidence that can lead to different conclusions.
@wendyhart134
@wendyhart134 Год назад
Great work Dr.Grande as thorough as ever. I remember this case when I was very young , it happen very close to my home, a stone's throw away. It was a horrible crime. I have never been torn Jeremy was the one who killed them I have no doubt I have read a lot about Jeremy and his personality definitely was extremely entitled and bordering on sociopathy in my own opinion. Thanks for another interesting u.k case. We don't have much gun crime here!
@pinktights747
@pinktights747 Год назад
You are a prolific hard worker and sure are a great psychologist. You never disappoint. Thank you Dr.
@makavelijag3118
@makavelijag3118 Год назад
Thank you so much for this video. I could not wait for you to give us the facts and your take on this case. I enjoy and appreciate your videos very much.
@zakibbott
@zakibbott Год назад
Love this video Dr. Grande. You should make more videos discussing crimes and criminals from the UK. This video was great 👍. I’d love to hear your take on the “shared madness” between Ian Brady and Myra Hindley the famous Moors Murderers.
@KimberlyLetsGo
@KimberlyLetsGo Год назад
Maybe the gun wasn’t loaded to the capacity every time. That would have made it easy to load several times.
@karenandersen9385
@karenandersen9385 Год назад
I know please think 18 shots were fired 9 + 9 = 18.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Год назад
Very sensible!
@hcarr
@hcarr Год назад
@@karenandersen9385 but we don't know how many bullets remained in the magazine. If it was 2 it seems more likely it was fully loaded each time.
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
@@karenandersen9385 TRY 25 Shots HENCE 3 Magazines were needed and therefore reloaded at least TWICE! The rifle takes a maximum of 10 rounds.
@towpottsfam7631
@towpottsfam7631 Год назад
Yes yes yes yes this is just near where I grew up in Essex I remembered this growing up. The police station was in our little town... there have been developments recently 🍿🍿🍿thankyou so much Dr Grande and please analyse Mic Philpott sometime 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
@Emily_Gray73
@Emily_Gray73 Год назад
I've always been a little suspicious of the female cousin who just happened to find the silencer and also the loose window in the kitchen that she told the police Jeremy could have climbed out of. Very suspicious.
@Emily_Gray73
@Emily_Gray73 Год назад
I've studies this case in detail and you came to the exact same conclusion as me. Unsafe conviction.
@krob2327
@krob2327 Год назад
@@Emily_Gray73 he’s guilty. The cousins are odd but so were his adoptive parents. What are you implying? They did it? So the police call bamber made are therefore invalid? Your case has no logic. Unless they conspired with bamber which means they are all guilty
@dominiclondesborough3222
@dominiclondesborough3222 Год назад
@@krob2327 No, Shelia killed the family then committed suicide.
@krob2327
@krob2327 Год назад
@@dominiclondesborough3222 completely false
@pollypockets508
@pollypockets508 Год назад
@@dominiclondesborough3222 Just out of curiosity, why do you think so?
@lsb888
@lsb888 Год назад
Always a good topic of interest with Great topic analysis, thankyou
@tullyDT
@tullyDT 4 месяца назад
For the closing joke I would have said " in police investigations' the Devil's in the detail"
@kshunatona
@kshunatona Год назад
Your dry humor always sneaks up on me….and I love 💕 it!
@jamba622
@jamba622 Год назад
Another great video. Keep em comin
@mjstow
@mjstow Год назад
I was possessed by the Devil for a while but he moved on. My former wife said it was because I'm impossible to live with.
@balloney2175
@balloney2175 Год назад
That is the risk of adopting. You'll never know their true behavior later in life.
@kyledamron
@kyledamron Год назад
My friends younger brother has decided to not take his meds because he says God speaks to him when he doesn't take them, but he also thinks people are out to get him. Do you have any advice Dr. Grandep? I can't remember if his diagnosis was schizophrenia or schizoeffective, but it is definitely one of the two. Any advice you can give me Dr Grande would be very helpful.
@Lovelymo
@Lovelymo Год назад
Respect his decision
@nmartin5551
@nmartin5551 Год назад
Kyle - I can’t support Sunshine’s response of “respecting” the decision of somebody who has psychotic and paranoid features. If your friend and his family haven’t reached out to his treating professionals, then I would encourage you to contact them and advise them of his non-compliance. A lot of people think they can’t do this due to HPPA. They are wrong. You can Talk to treating professionals and give them information. The professionals CANNOT give you information. So it only works that way. Psychotic and paranoid is probably the most dangerous combination of psychiatric symptoms one can have.
@Lovelymo
@Lovelymo Год назад
@@nmartin5551 why address me in your comment. Say your peace and I said mine. It’s my professional opinion.
@kimbanz9818
@kimbanz9818 Год назад
Yeah, respect his decision. Until he brutally murders someone. WTF???
@Lovelymo
@Lovelymo Год назад
@@kimbanz9818 he is more likely to be hurt by 1 of you. You wouldn’t force a cancer patient to take their meds. All you can do is support them or you will become the enemy and apart of their paranoia. When my cousin did this we had spiritual leaders visit with him and discuss the Bible. He was no danger to anyone because none of us denied him his right.
@phoenixfire2578
@phoenixfire2578 Год назад
My Dad grew up on a farm that had a family murdered in it in a similar style. The parents and children were all shot and killed and the case wasn't solved until the uncle confessed on his deathbed. I don't understand how people can be so evil.
@TomRogersOnline
@TomRogersOnline Год назад
Do you have a link to the case?
@phoenixfire2578
@phoenixfire2578 Год назад
@@TomRogersOnline I posted a link, but it looks like something is deleting it.
@loricurry
@loricurry Год назад
Dr. G, can you analyze the characters in the book/movie "We need to talk about Kevin"? I can't find that you've already done so. Thank you.
@peterlyon8424
@peterlyon8424 Год назад
Superb analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande. 🙏
@CountrysideCutie
@CountrysideCutie Год назад
17:19-17:25...Excellent insight, Dr. Grande! 😂 That made me laugh, thank you & have a grand afternoon!
@icturner23
@icturner23 Год назад
British people don’t eat pancakes for breakfast. Pancakes (actual pancakes, not the American type) are for Shrove Tuesday.
@btetschner
@btetschner Год назад
I have not read about the case, but it sounds like he had a very strong motive for committing the crime. That alone would make it hard for me to rule him out, it's like he would be rewarded dramatically for getting rid of the core of all his problems. There is a chance he was a strategist and thought there was no way he could lose in the situation. Fascinating case and very helpful explanation and analysis.
@leylamoody3177
@leylamoody3177 Год назад
Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️
@icturner23
@icturner23 Год назад
It’s so strange that I’ve never heard of this case before.
@kimberlyhenke8956
@kimberlyhenke8956 Год назад
Oh its so good to be back home. I was having severe Dr. G withdrawals! Time to catch up on some episodes!
@Cyber_Kati_6744
@Cyber_Kati_6744 Год назад
THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY SENSATIONAL DR. GRANDE! 👏✨👏 Such a terrible tragedy all around… 😭 It’s really beyond fascinating to hear your case analysis! And your humor is so lighthearted! ✨🕊✨ Thank you so much for all of your hard work! BRAVO! 👏👏👏👏 👉 Really forward to your next video, as always! 👈
@MoneyGrip2024
@MoneyGrip2024 Год назад
Love the channel. Please consider taking a look at the case of Joseph Paul Franklin at some point.
@jackj4604
@jackj4604 Год назад
Jeremy did it, 100%. Was it proven beyond a reasonable doubt? No. Was it proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Sheila didn't do it? Yes.
@jackmartin4320
@jackmartin4320 Год назад
It's the same thing. An innocent Sheila renders Jeremy guilty by default. So if it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that it wasn't Sheila then it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that's it's Jeremy.
@smiler1327
@smiler1327 Год назад
People who are dead don't tend to walk around too much.... Classic!
@valerie241
@valerie241 Год назад
I believe he did it. So do many people who knew him well.
@amiralions2681
@amiralions2681 Год назад
As we look around at the chaos fentanyl has caused, I think there will be a long line to file suit against the Devil for paternity. You've opened that door Dr. Grande!
@beethimbles8801
@beethimbles8801 Год назад
This case has fascinated me for years and years.
@carlyrennae3963
@carlyrennae3963 Год назад
Yay perfectly timed to wake up to Dr G ...winning day ! Thanks Dr G and hello Private Hudson 🌵
@MeiraV-
@MeiraV- Год назад
This was super interesting.
@Exar_Kun
@Exar_Kun Год назад
“In addition to having a paternity lawsuit against Satan” literally broke me LOL!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@rheverend
@rheverend Год назад
There’s a mini series called The Muders at White House Farm. Tells the story of the one detective who almost lost his job because he refused to stop investigating. He was the only one who thought jeremy was guilty.
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
That was the Sergeant who bothered to interview the friends of Neville and June. These people had no doubts, Jeremy 100% EVIL & GUILTY. I knew some of their friends. The Gin & Tonic, or Drinks, Club.
@allineedis1mike81
@allineedis1mike81 Год назад
Sometimes you just cant know. Especially if the police screw up the investigation. Literally the worst thing you can do at that point is pretend like you know anyway. That doesnt just apply to criminal justice. More or less applies to everything. Thanks Devils Doc🤣 another great video!
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
Jeremy 100% Guilty. Essex Police Inspector originally decided it was a simple case of Sheila was the murderer. A Sergeant disagreed and was warned about pursuing the case further. I knew that Jeremy was going to be arrested while he was still in Amsterdam, home of Illegal Drugs for UK supply by boat to Essex near Tolleshunt D'Arcy River Blackwater
@andrewwarmington
@andrewwarmington Год назад
It is actually not possible that anyone other than Jeremy or Sheila did it, unless it was a hitman hired by Jeremy. The supposed call to Jeremy during the murders proves that, because nothing like that would happen if someone other than Sheila was doing it - or it never happened at all because Jeremy did it. Spoiler alert: Jeremy did it, he was as guilty as hell
@kateywallis1238
@kateywallis1238 10 месяцев назад
What about the cousins of all people who found the silencer very fishy if you ask me ..
@andrewwarmington
@andrewwarmington 10 месяцев назад
@@kateywallis1238 What about them? It might suit them for Jeremy to be guilty, but it proves nothing either way about his guilt
@DILLYJENN
@DILLYJENN 5 месяцев назад
I heard recently that new evidence has emerged which casts doubt on Bamber's guilt. It has gone for further review to see if the new evidence is enough for an appeal. It suggests that Sheila was still alive in the house when the police arrived. Whatever the outcome, I think the family was obviously dysfunctional. How the parents managed to adopt sheila and Jeremy amazes me.
@JaniceKing-dy6wc
@JaniceKing-dy6wc 5 месяцев назад
An American gun expert has analysed the rifle and silencer and said it was not on the rifle when it was used that night!
@christinestanding
@christinestanding 3 месяца назад
" It suggests that Sheila was still alive in the house when the police arrived." Same point I made earlier in this thread.
@MichaelYoder1961
@MichaelYoder1961 Год назад
Suggestion to cover the case of Peggy Claude-Pierre who ran a house for people with anorexia and her own treatments (that failed and people died). Took place in Victoria BC Canada. There's a book "Anorexia's Fallen Angel" by Barbara McClintock and it was quite a scandal. When I was a waiter in the 1980s, Peggy was a regular at the restaurant where I worked. Just another interesting story for you to tackle
@TiffWaffles
@TiffWaffles Год назад
I'd be very interested in the Peggy Claude-Pierre case. I had to look her up and am absolutely horrified at what she did. She got innocent and desperate people to believe in her garbage and didn't even help them because she lacked the qualifications to do so.
@lifesquandered
@lifesquandered Год назад
That is an awful case 😳☹️. I haven't thought of that case in a long time.
@jamesdaple9951
@jamesdaple9951 Год назад
Brilliant Analysis Dr Grande should work for Scotland Yard or FBI !! Smart ANALYTICAL mind !
@puspavelai8353
@puspavelai8353 Год назад
Mm, "a mixture of blood from Neville and June" Could be June. In the 'last struggle' June could have shot the (adoptive) daughter dead. Being highly religious, the bible was always with her, so she managed to toss it between them. Perhaps Jeremy had strong vibes that June would turn violent - and left the loaded weapon on the kitchen table. This is such a haunting case.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Год назад
One commenter will always choose the silliest possible theory.
@princessholly3009
@princessholly3009 Год назад
Thank you for explaining this so well
@robertdye1788
@robertdye1788 Год назад
Oh Dr Grande that was well and truly good and the bit about the devil's pancakes being single dry cuz invariably funny thank you once again for your great work and keep it up
@kayzbluegenes
@kayzbluegenes Год назад
I've seen that Maury episode... 👹 "Satan, you are not the father!" Sorry, DNA proved that neither Sheila nor the twin boys were the devil's children. 🤷🏼‍♀️
@chicagogyrl4846
@chicagogyrl4846 Год назад
So why would you wait 10 minutes to call the police, and not even use the emergency line??!!
@JD-cw4qg
@JD-cw4qg Год назад
Really enjoyed your analysis on this dreadful crime Dr Grande. As a Brit it was really good to hear your perspective. Thank you.
@reneedennis2011
@reneedennis2011 Год назад
Great analysis! This case was covered by Infamous Murders and Behind Mansion Walls.
@sanelliott7695
@sanelliott7695 Год назад
Lol I love you doc...your sense of humor is brilliant
@krob2327
@krob2327 Год назад
He’s guilty. Just a rich kid who thought he could get away with anything
@horsepanther
@horsepanther Год назад
The murderer was immediately apparent at the mention of ""heard some rabbits". You can't fricking hear rabbits. Except if they are being killed, then they reportedly have a terrible screaming sound. 😞
@CB-lt2vb
@CB-lt2vb Год назад
The slow driving reminded me of Diane Downs
@suegardner9907
@suegardner9907 Год назад
This is just heart-breaking.
@birdworldist
@birdworldist Год назад
Yesss king go offff
@johnsmith8906
@johnsmith8906 Год назад
Although I think the case against Bamber is pretty strong, there is an awful lot of stuff that makes me go.....hmmmmm. 🤔
@afkwaalg
@afkwaalg Год назад
The two police calls were logged - they're online. And they're about ten minutes apart.
@singechamberlain2967
@singechamberlain2967 Год назад
At last! Thanks for your analysis - very interesting. One of those photos is freddie fox though ;-) Such a fasinating case.
@mariamerigold
@mariamerigold Год назад
Thank you doc! ❤️
@phil4986
@phil4986 Год назад
Great video, as usual, Dr.Grande. I was sure Jeremy did this until your last few points. This actually does point to Sheila being the killer. This is a mess. Nobody wins when you put a firearm in easy reach of people experiencing mental health emergencies. It's such a crappy organized murder site that it actually points more to Sheila doing awful things and then playing catch up to simply get herself ready to kill herself last. The weapon is a very small caliber standard hunting and target rifle that uses the 22 caliber long rifle round. The round is used for target shooting and hunting on farms, small game , like rats, squirrels, rabbits , birds ,coyotes, foxes and groundhogs. The reason for the silencer is so target and hunting shooting does not alarm anyone nearby. Sheila could easily remove the scope because the weapon was going to used at point blank range and the scope made the rifle harder to control and aim at point blank range with a silencer installed. Scopes can often be easily removed using as coin like a dime or a quarter. The silencer would allow her to kill her kids while the bedroom door was closed and not alarm her parents. 22 long rifle bullets are terribly ineffective at immediately disabling human beings unless of a very well placed repeated head shot or the heart is hit right away. Every bullet placement and the location the bodies were found absolutely matters in this case. The angles of the bullets through the bodies matter. A toxicology test on the two boys should have been done to see if their mom drugged them first so they would stay asleep as she killed them. The fact that 25 or 26 bullets were used means the ten round mag was reloaded three times potentially with 9 rounds to complete the murders....or that two other magazines, that usually people buy with these kinds of detachable mag rifles exist and were never found. They could have been thrown in the yard ,still there today , if the house still exists. This also points back to Sheila. The final double tap under Sheila's chin is definitely a way a person would kill themselves with this rifle and I have read of suicidal people shooting themselves with this very small caliber rifle numerous times and not dying right away. The ability to actually get that rifle under Sheila's chin like that with her alive would be extremely hard for a killer to do. Sheila was already mentally unstable and she might have well fought like hell to stay alive if Jeremy tried to use this rifle on her like that. Resulting in some very bizarre bullet angles through Sheila's brain and lower chin. An exactly almost identical upward bullet path points to Sheila doing this to herself. The repeated characterization by Sheila and her mother that Satan was in control of practically everyone in the house is very troubling. Damn shame we can't put Satan on trial. Jeremy ever gets a real good group of forensic defense attorneys to revisit this case ,he could go free. Driving slow is something some people do all the time regardless. The fact that Jeremy was in Amsterdam getting high afterwards might have been his idea of getting away from the madness that had just happened around him. If Sheila did do this, Jeremy knows just how lucky he was to not be there when Sheila went berzerk. As far as Jeremy's girlfriend, she saw a way out of numerous criminal charges by dumping her cheating boyfriend right on the polices lap. I also submit if Jeremy did the shooting each person would have died from head shots probably three each because this small, weak caliber demands several shots to be effective immediately. If Jeremy did this each shot would have likely been very close range with a burn mark on the skin of the victim. Body shots are a waste of time with this 22 long rifle weapon. Jeremy would already know this...Sheila would not. Plus the use of the rifle at the exact level that Sheila would hold it could be ascertained from the bodies and the wound channels. Jeremy was taller and the rifle would not be held at a certain up angle to shoot someone in the body or back. The length of the barrel traced by the wound channel back to where Sheila would be standing with it in her hands could clear Jeremy. Jeremy would have simply been holding the rifle , shooting into the body , at a much different angle. And as Dr.Grande said, there were other people with a financial reason to kill the entire family as well. As in Mr. "Gee, look at the silencer and scope I found that the police completely missed." Crazy + Satan + Firearms is never a good mix. Add in greed and it's an explosion waiting to happen. Just awful. Just.....awful. With a family as crazy as this , it is just better to never go home.
@tallblonde1976
@tallblonde1976 Год назад
I read the first few pages of the scribed reference Dr Grande used. Jeremy wasn't driving slow, he was driving the speed limit, however the police were driving very fast, as they had authority to do so. When they were outside the house, Jeremy was asked if his sister could hurt someone, he said "I don't know....". He didn't say " oh yes, absolutely " as you might expect, if he was guilty himself.
@phil4986
@phil4986 Год назад
@@tallblonde1976 Jeremy might have been the sanest member of the family and that played against him in court. People put aloofness and being reserved as being high and mighty and arrogant. Jeremy ,if innocent, would have thought ,why should I hold anything back. I did'nt kill anyone. We all should understand the police do NOT have OUR best interests at hand. We must protect ourselves from these kinds of situations by saying as little as possible without an attorney present. Jeremy would have much better served himself by saying, "Look officer, I don't know what's happened here but I must reserve my right to an attorney before I say anything else." This whole case is a mess and Jeremy seems to have been the chosen suspect from the start.
@phillmaf7319
@phillmaf7319 Год назад
Maybe the sister was shot while sleeping , horizontal target with silencer......sleeping.....easy peasy.
@phil4986
@phil4986 Год назад
@@phillmaf7319 absolutely...who in the heck knows.....the body location as well as any blood spatter and it's direction would tell the tale but the Three Stooges apparently did the crime scene for the police on this. Jeremy sure acted odd afterwards but the whole family was odd
@trevorhart545
@trevorhart545 3 месяца назад
WRONG 100% please read my full response earlier with FACTS missing from this analysis. Jeremy 100% GUILTY
@parazatico9030
@parazatico9030 Год назад
Fascinating and insightful, as usual. There was a documentary on Channel 4 (if I remember correctly) recently, that questioned the safety of Mr Bamber's conviction. There were too many points raised to go into here, (Dr Grande has addressed many of them) but perhaps the most significant was that the programme makers claimed to have discovered a Police telephone log record of a call from Neville on the night in question, saying that his daughter had gone berserk and had got hold of a gun.
@blazefairchild465
@blazefairchild465 Год назад
Thank Dr. This one could possibly fall the other way. What I find strange adoptive mother has mental health concerns as well as the adoptee daughter both have been hospitalized more than once. So that tells me that the family is open to seeking help when needed. Soooo why didn’t anyone notice the adoptive brother was a killer. And why was his girlfriend quick to flip on him in exchange for her own freedom, but rat finks her boyfriend out at her first chance. But said zero until she could use it. That sounds fishy to me.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 Год назад
You don't have to be mentally ill to be a killer.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Год назад
Their daughter was hospitalised for mental health, so someone should have noticed the son was planning on killing everyone? Not sure how that makes sense. Plus the reason the girlfriend flipped was covered in the video.
@katiebini6064
@katiebini6064 Год назад
As always a brilliant depiction of a confusing case!! When you have time could you please review the anarchy documentary on HBO? I’m VERY curious to hear your take on that group of people!!!
@LiddlestLady
@LiddlestLady Год назад
yay! i requested this one long ago!!
@DemonaLlama
@DemonaLlama Год назад
Ahhhh I think I suggested this one! Thank you!
@rullmourn1142
@rullmourn1142 Год назад
Jeremy is obviously guilty, plus if he told that cop he was going to buy a Porsche, that = life insurance money. If this case is actually hotly debated it must be between 2 people who think he's innocent and 2000 that think he's guilty, which, of course he is.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Год назад
Good lord. People actually think this way. As if he couldn't have had independent plans to buy a Porsche, or simply have said he would like to own one.
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