Have u seen that jenny jones episode about the gay guy who had a crush on a straight guy and the straight guy ended up murdering the gay guy & ultimately got the show cancelled?
Princess Botanical was actually hated and low-key bullied by other club kids, much like Angel. I remember on Motherboard around 2002, a bunch of Club Kids were were reminiscing about the 90s and their Geraldo appearances. One of them were like “Holy crap REMEMBER PRINCESS BOTANICAL!? What a tacky piece of crap she was??” which fed into a bunch of others chiming in on how she was “just a wannabe” “didn’t belong and shouldn’t have been allowed” was “too tacky” and “too fat”- which led into a story about a club kids fashion show where princess botanical took the runway wearing coffee cans as platforms and the coffee cans bent and collapsed and she fell face first in a pile of garlands and shame. “Total garbage- glad she didn’t stick around the scene too long” they said. Meanwhile- she seems hella sweet, shy, curious about new things and excited about getting to express herself creatively. I don’t get the hate I was reading. And really that just goes to show that the club kids were NOT really as lovely, cool and accepting of all and any freaks as they claimed. They could definitely be snooty and judgemental (SOME not all)
Every scene is like this and certainly is for the so called "elite!"... You have a group of outcasts, supposedly about being ones self and free expression, wherein reality said group is the most judgemental, catty and narrow-minded.. They are the exact mirror of what they rebel against!.. It's a part of human nature to pair of into cliques as humans, we're very tribal in nature!..I speak solely from what I've experienced and observed and aren't passing judgment, just stating the facts!.
You know what the im glad to hear it. I HOPE that hate chased her away and I can almost guarantee she lives a normal life and contributes to society. Half of these people are in their 50s and STILL putting on parties for 10 people and places like the VA it’s really sad
i read that article and its pure high school bitchery. whoever wrote that was a bitter person and it shows. i adore her look and I hope shes doing well now.
That breaks my heart because she was prob someone who didn’t fit in where was from, loveddd the queers, loved fashion & art and she had to end up meeting mean ass people. I pray that she is thriving. That’s so messed up, she doesnt deserve that hate.
I’ve had Party Monster on dvd since 2006. I randomly bought it when I saw Macaulay culkin on the cover and it’s in my top 10 fave movies of all time. WHO else loved this movie??! Seth Green is absolutely phenomenal in this! He’s unrecognizable and I think the only time you see his true acting chops.
SAME! Macaulay Culkin and Seth Green killed it in that movie! If you haven’t read James St. James’ memoir titled ‘Disco Bloodbath: A Fabulous but True Tale of Murder in Clubland’, I highly recommend it! (I believe the book was actually retitled ‘Party Monster’ after the movie was released in 2003)
Yesss!!! If you haven't seen the documentary "Glory Daze", that is another must see. I love that they actually got a lot of the top club kids, as adults, to reminisce about their time in the 90s and it also talks about Angel's murder, following Michael's release from prison. I often wonder if they ever thought about making another, since Michael's passing. Also, if you love Party Monster the movie, and haven't seen it, Party Monster The Shockumentary, is something you definitely have to watch. I actually found it, in its entirety, here on youtube. It's about an hour long and it is interesting. After seeing it, I now realize where a lot of scenes from the movie came from. I don't care what anyone says, I think Macaulay and Seth, nailed their roles! If you don't know, there are also little scenes in the movie that were taken right from the Shockumentary and have some of the real club kids. Ernie Glam and Richie Rich are the 2 that stand out the most off the top of my head. Anyway, you should check them out!
@@manda_musings8459 Party Monster the Shockumentary is actually here on RU-vid. I think I have it on one of my playlists but not sure if it's public or private. I found it on here though. Then the other one, "Glory Daze the Life and Times of Michael Alig", I know is on Prime Video, but I think only for rent or purchase. I'll have to do some digging and see if I can find it free anywhere. I know some one uploaded it on RU-vid a while back but I think its since been removed.
@melly mel Astro was an experience. Better i think to not live and share a 1 bedroom. Loves me, OCD so decides what of my things are to trash, keep & where to put. Unilaterally decides we are monogamous couple, won't leave and I can't make him by nyc housing law, can't evict him due to covid, so finally I get order of protection. Also drinks 6-10 tall boy 22 oz cans malt liquor/day
Wow! I don't think there's another club kid video out there with as many clear and close-up shots of Angel. Really nice to see him looking happy and R.I.P. of course❤️
KIds are gullible , you buy crap everyday , because you think this is good for you , and you do not even blame the seller and publicists who use all the tricks in the box to sell it to you . Teenagers are the easiest people to influence , you can make them do anything you want as long as you make them believe this is in their best interest . Buy drugs, it's cool, buy drugs, people will love you and want to be with you, buy drugs or you'll be an outcast and will have no social life, try drugs and all your problems will go away , especially your teenage existentialist crisis , do drugs and you will be the talk of the town and the most popular person around . No Hugger , this is MOST CERTAINLY NOT a consensual agreement , this is one person influencing another one into doing something under false pretexts and made believe hopes . This is selling an illusion that will eventually destroy the life of the person using the drugs and make the one selling them only richer . Ask yourself the question, why do people buy something, that is an absolute poison for their system . Would go buy some rat poison and eat it ? LSD and heroin are worse than rat poison . So i am not buying one piece of the consensual agreement , argument . And you should know better than that yourself, unless you are a teenager . He sold something that he knows is going to fuck up the life of the people buying it , and yet had no scruples selling it and didn't feel bad for a second for what he was doing as long as he makes a buck out of it . I would call that the very definition of evil. This is exactly what rich nations do to third world nation on daily basis , and the third world nations buy it because they are told that this is in their best interest , in order to get a share of the big cake , when in the end, this is just the hand of the farmer feeding the animals until they are big enough to be taken to the slaughter house, Until the last minute the animal believes it is being taken care of and loves the farmer . This is exactly the same thing .
Most teenager live under a rock, and I do not blame anybody but the dealers . So called danger ? You make it sound as if the danger part of those drugs was unsubstantiated . How old are you Hugger ? Rat poison can make you euphoric if you take it in small quantity , that's why i chose that example . And tree hugger, do not give me a lecture on the medical use of drug , i am both an MD and a Vet and have been working for the UN treating people and animals for the past 15 years . So, tree hugger let's say that when you have three PhD in the medical field (the third one being neuroscience and biology, so you imagine easily how well aware i am of the effect of drugs on the system and their medical use) . then and only then, can you give me a lecture, because right now , you are not telling me anything i haven't studied already 20 years ago . "It's only when you start abusing drugs that things could go south, " yes i am also very well aware of that (is that your professional medical opinion ? And this is precisely why drugs administrated in a medical environment (hospital, clinic , home by actual docs, which are the only places and way drugs should be used) are so highly supervised , because of their addictive properties . What exactly do you mean by "that's fully on you" ? Also before we further this discussion , as i feel very awkward talking to a tree hugger , i would appreciate to know your name just the first name is enough and also your age and profession , just to figure out who i am discussing with. You understand of course . I am Kyllian , born in Arizona , raised mostly in Europe (borading school in Switzerland) , part Icelandic (father) part British (mother) , i gave up my american citizenship a long time ag. , As i said i'm a Vet and an MD though i mostly work as a vet today (at my partner and I's clinic) and for the WAP which is a branch of the UN based in London , I am 43 years old , living bith in Zurich Switzerland where our clinic is, and London , married to another vet, a japanese man, and father of three adopted teens . How about yourself ?
Absolutely! I stayed home once in middle school and was watching Jenny Jones when my cousin on my dads side (we didn’t see them much) popped up in the audience with a 2 foot Mohawk dyed bright green. She spoke in the audience. The show was about runaways. It was wild
@@angel-gu8co What Face Book, Instagram? There is nothing now. One night, I walked into the Tunnel Nigh Club and it was like walking into a living cartoon.
Did anyone notice Alig correcting the female audience member telling her it’s “asking” not “axing” and “axing is what an ax murderer does” damn he’d know
Why would nit be foreshadowing@@ddl4374 unless there was an axe someplace in the story? There's no axe. Maybe because the audience member butchered the English language, that's foreshadowing, too?
@@jeffreybrandes881 Yes. Its amazing how people will claim to be your friend when all the while they really don't like you. 😔 It took me a while but I began to see that with the friends that I had from my childhood. I finally gave up on those fake friendships.
@@jeffreybrandes881 Heroin dealers kill people too. If you want to be a drug dealer you have to expect an environment that's not friendly and it's not rare that they get killed. I'm not saying I agree with his murder, but making him the good guy seems weird. I would never sell heroin in my life, because it makes people die and ruin their lives, and no one who is capable of selling it is not a good person.
"44:16 the closing shot is wordless Angel winking at us B-) " . . . . Bravo T S , i had not seen your comment until after i'd made the same observation a year later. Michael's death got me reading wikipedia and even "buying into " his roommate/co-defendant's account of taking a hammer to Angel's head while Angel was throttling Michael's neck and threatening to snap it if Michael didn't pay off an old drug debt . . . presumably the financial pressure had been invigorated by Angel having been dismissed from the club where he worked and sold drugs because authorities were charging the club owner for condoning drug sales at his establishment. people + drugs + law enforcement creates quite the snake eating its own tail ! ;-)
@@cuppachar201 I didn’t take it as such. They come out on drugs, parading around in outfits that make the circus look mild, and this man who is actually passionate about real journalism is being told by his producers he has to have an hour long conversation with the bunch. He’s probably beside himself trying to figure out what the hell to talk about when they have no real aim, or focus in life, and 90% of the population - his viewers- (especially in the 90’s)- couldn’t relate to a single bit of their degenerate lifestyles. It degraded his journalistic integrity. If I had worked my ass off to get where he was I’d be saying “What is this world coming to” too. Even now in 2020 with the freak parades on display everywhere (likely thanks to shows like this) this is painful to watch.
williamgatesenson By your comment, it’s pretty obvious that you’re projecting your actions onto others. Sad. Though like you said, it’s ok. It’s ok, because it is so blatant to others as to what you are doing.
Wow. Angel in the thumbnail. What balls of Alig to have brought his dealer on the show. How creepy that the murderer and his victim are sharing the stage at all like this. So morbidly fascinating
Why does it show 'balls" and why would you think Alig chose who was on the show? Did he choose the lesbian/tranny preggo act? No, those people were not in the scene. PRODUCERS choose who will be on the show and chose a guy with giant red wings. Angel wasn't just Michael's dealer, he was the primary dealer within the club scene unless you count Lord Michael (Google Wu Tang Clan, no relation to Alig) who was funneling all the X.
@divina6 Oh no he wasn't talking about Marilyn Manson who by the way, wasn't even a Goth, he was Rivethead/Shock Rocker (the industrial scene of the 1990s, that was mainstream at the time while Goth was underground) but the comment you were replying to, he was talking about Charles Manson and his crazy cult.
I googled club kids a few days ago after I saw a cool "my best club kid look" tiktok wondering what they were. Now I'm watching this video with a glamorous, mysterious, 90s nightlife kingpin - like a cult leader in many ways - surrounded by his loyal and equally glamorous club kids. At his peak he was probably one of the coolest people on the planet, a leader in the NYC nightlife, creating a movement, and leaving a mark on the fashion world forever. It's all so fascinating and compelling I've caught myself momentarily forgetting that he fell into addiction then brutally murdered his friend and dismembered the body. And here in this video is the kingpin, the victim, and the very 1994 Geraldo rushing through the audience member's answers as if he's being told each answer can only be 4 seconds long then he has to make a stupid underhanded joke at their expense then rush on to his next victim. What the fuck bro this is probably a top 5 all time video find for me. 90s daytime TV true crime fever dream eleganza, 5/5 stars. RIP Angel, my heart goes out to his family.
You forgot RIP Michael. It takes two to tango, and that's coming from someone who actually knew both of them and was part of the scene. So RIP Angel and RIP Alig.
Seriously , look at its face he looks like he's put on drag makeup before... oh wow here's an idea let's turn out a straight man on television ,yay... the only problem is that's not a straight man... TV people
At 19, I’d be embarrassed to tell anyone that baby daddy was 15. He can’t work. He can’t even drive. I’d love to know how that family turned out. Especially the kid…what a joke.
Just tried to Google Rachel Fisk to see her modeling career and nothing showed up . . . Yet if I look up most of these Club Kids I find countless photos of them in the clubs. So, who really was getting booked?
Every generation thinks they're the first to do everything wild, but its just a form of immaturity without it even being realised. Some may be a bit different, but basically its kids being kids in their ways during certain ages in life. Eventually, everyone grows up or changes and if they don't its often not a pretty sight to see or sad. Theres a reason people mature and become responsible and don't act like they're 18 to 21 forever.
He's likely exhausted from entertaining thousands of club goers a few hours beforehand, and working a full day in the office before that. He might even be high, since Angel was dealing him heroin at this time. But go ahead, call it "loving darkness".
@@duffman102 you are just assuming things about a person you don't even know. We didn't get Joan Rivers here in Holland. We got the trash shows and that's what I based my comment on. I forgive you for trying to look like you are better then me.
He was a great interviewer in the beginning. Geraldo would expose the government and botched police work. He spoke about serial killer Jeffery Dahmer and gave insider information about a white man who visited Dahmer on several occasions while he was actively killing Black men. He spoke about the Challenger accident and how the astronauts were left in the ocean for hours when they were probably ALIVE. This video seems silly but Michael Alig has been convicted of murder and has been released. Now Michael Alig has been seen with a child Desmond Is Amazing a little boy who decided to dress in trans style because his mother liked Ruepaul. The little boy Desmond has been seen in strip clubs taking off a little and getting paid by gay men. He imitated snorting ketamine and has acted confused on film. He told his mother that he was afraid of being murdered. It's sad actually. A little boy wanting attention by his MOTHER is now being paraded as a voice of transchildren.
@@777jonesYounger generations don't realize that 1st Gen analog video in the 90's actually looked pretty good, but much of what is now passed around is sourced from consumer VHS recordings.
Michael’s not just “hangin out” with an 11 year old kid. His mother lets him do drag and he happens to be inspired by the club kid era of drag. Desmond appeared on Michael and Ernie’s RU-vid show a couple of times and they just talked about fashion and inspiration. His mother was present the entire time. (I’m not saying Michael was right for murdering Angel, but that doesn’t make him a total creep pedophile who likes to hang out with kids. He’s simply just passing the fashion torch down.)
I watched this when it first aired on TV. I knew Michael, Earl, Angel, Ritchie and Keoki. I miss them so much. RIP to Michael and Angel. And any others who may have passed that I don't know about, or didn't know.
lets not forget Angel was a heroin dealer amongst other not so angelic hobbies. He didn't deserve to die of course, but he insisted on being in that circle and used drugs to leverage his way in as a poser. I make the point as the reality of the situation seems to be convoluted with so many comments painting Alig as unprovoked and Angel not voluntarily participating in a dangerous way of living.
@@ThatFilmisGnarly SO NOT TRUE!!!! Maybe here or there, but well dressed and it was never proven or a fact that he did the hammer! Watched that loser's movie?
We used to beg our parents for those amazing shoes growing up! We would see them in the stores around Baltimore City where I am from and still live. I was born in 1985 so I only got to watch and admire them! Before the internet we had to actually dig and research the people and subcultures we were interested in! #AstroEarl always and still has some of the best outfits!
man richie really wasnt a bad kid. he really wants to standup for him and his friends and hes trying to hammer that whole "self acceptance" message that wasnt so popular in the 80s.
These people talk so much about how they do what they do because they want to be "themselves" and be in a place where they all can love and accept each other blah blah blah. But at the end of the day they are mostly awful people who hurt each other. Everything they were doing was solely for the purpose of getting attention. All the goofy outfits/makeup wasn't them expressing themselves. It was just an abrasive act to get attention. If people reacted positively to them, they won. If they reacted negatively to them, they still won because now they get to fight back and pretend they are champions of the LGBTQ community. At the end of the day, it was just a bunch of dumb boring people who wanted attention, so they did what they had to do to get it. All they needed was a reaction from the people around them, and you people gave it to them.
Ugh wow seeing the cut of Angel at 3:11 gave me goosebumps. Michael and all these people could have done something amazing with their lives, could have became club kid elders and taught new generations about fashion and support for the lgbtq, Michael and his friends had so much potential and instead a life was lost and many other lives ruined. I wish these kids with special talents never have to feel so rejected from society that they start using heavy drugs like they did. It's such a sad story
A crime occurred. Angel lost his life. Michael went to prison. But not sure why that makes the club kids story less amazing. It's sad, but doesn't erase the years of inspired creativity that this movement brought into the world. Were you there? Does not sound like you were. Angel was a good guy and my downstairs neighbor but hard drugs like heroin don't just affect users. Sometimes they affect the people selling the heroin.
yeah. this made me think of his mother and the weird look she had, maybe being "too okay" with his drug use etc has left him in total disarray. idk if it was "good faith" or in their dynamic he simply held all the power. you gotta be a strong woman to have a son like this, he seems to have a very VERY strong personality who can be made even more difficult to deal with when you throw drugs into the mix. she probably had no saying at all. but seeing this dynamic too makes it even more weird and interesting
Its called HEROIN. Which he was obtaining from Angel. Prior to all this, heroin had no place in the club scene. None. We were strictly coke, Ketamine (you're welcome) and X. Once heroin came on like an invasive species, it was a matter of time until junkie type sheet happened. And it did.
funny how when the black girl went off on Tiny , Tiny made fun of her saying "it's Asking NOT axing " and then Michael is like axing is what an axe murderer does .
Damian Griego-Hernandez She was. These talk shows always had actors planted in the audience to ask certain questions or say certain things to be provocative.
I have felt that I have been judged and labeled all my life because of how I was and I wasn't into heavy drugs. I liked smoking weed and clubbing and was judged at the clubs I went to and judged outside of the clubs. I found that there will always be some people who will not like how you talk, walk or act. Of course I traveled and met people from different lifestyles. Down south some people didn't like my New York accent and perceived me with a women of promescuity or what they may have seen on T.V. In California, some of the clubbers thought I was an undercover cop. I wouldn't know why. Germany was the only place I felt accepted by the neighborhood residents. The Americans were the ones who passed judgement. I have had associates who were supervisors, gay, prostitutes, nurses, and other various back grounds. I don't believe in judging people. From place to place, I had to constantly watch my back and ignore the ignorance but it hurt. I could not get into what the club kids get into but I can relate to some of their fears and angst and respect their right to do it. I was just a young girl trying to find a place in this world. I am 72 and I have one person I can call a very good friend. We have known each other for 56 years my other friends have passed. I think now, why do I worry about what people think of me? Is it worth it?
You could just admit you did it all for attention, because you knew deep down that you had no interesting qualities. The way you dressed and acted was all for any kind of attention you could get. If people reacted positively, you won. If they acted negatively, you could fight back and put yourself up on a pedestal as a champion of preaching love and acceptance of the LGBTQ community, getting even MORE attention. It was a win/win situation for you. Now that you're older and more self aware, I am sure you realize how painfully pathetic that was.
I used to weigh 310lbs+ now i weigh about 220, still very self conscious in public but when I recently went to the beach, I let the tiger print(stretch marks) shine and let people see who I am,the best part about looking at the flower, is watching it bloom into its beauty, yeah shitty quote but people always have their opinions anyway
@@Topdawggy I think it's good that you lost some weight for the better of your health. Be proud of who you are. Ignore the ignorant ones. What really matter is what you think of yourself. Keep on doing what works for you. I notice that all these people who wear a pile of makeup are trying to look like some model. They all look alike. Be your unique self. What matters is what is in your heart and soul.
I wonder if anyone noticed that the longer the Club Kids thing went on the more extreme their behavior became. Everything they did oozed addiction, superficiality, and emptiness.
much like the club the guinness girls were a part of - “shining young people” or something. people who live in excess like that, lifestyles like that, are there for a reason. they have the right combination of charisma and narcissism to make any room THEIR room, any chair their throne, any audience charmed. unfortunately spontaneity like that requires constant combustion to stay alive which always leads to a huge mess in the end
lifestyles like these don't sustain very long...... while i acknowledge they're a huge part of lgbt history, i don't condone or glorify any of the shit they do besides dressing up. with hedonism as a central part of your life you're bound to crack soon
fernanda capaceta to be honest it had a lot to do with drug tho , things wouldn't have been as extreme as it was if they weren't completely roasted outta they're minds. I mean have you watched or read interviews, documentaries, ect ?
SO GOOD TO SEE “ANGEL” AGAIN WITH HIS BEAUTIFUL BIG WINGS - BLAST FROM MY PAST - SO MANY NIGHTS IN THE TUNNEL... THE KENNY SHARF ROOM, LIMELIGHT, TWILO, THE ROARING 90’s WERE THE BEST!!!
the 90s in my world were very difernt and I wouldnt change a thing fucking damn glad I didn't grow up on east or west coast I'm ROCK n ROLL alternative heavy metal blues hip hop big cars big trucks horses boats open rivers open road no big tall bldgs
Idk about all of them but some of them are quite successful! Richie Rich for example has done multiple albums, movies and had one of the most successful brands of the 2000's with heatherette! He's still a designer although he's not that much in the spotlight these days.
Every time someone talks about how it's not about drugs he immediately goes to someone with the "craziest" outfit and gets them to talk to get the audience to laugh or not believe there aren't drugs. It's quite frustrating
OLolaLola First of all, terms like "snowflake" or "triggered" are thrown around way too liberally, and are generally used by people who lack the ability to articulate a viewpoint. Also, you're implying that the op is being overly sensitive when the criticism was actually quite valid. Talk shows back in the 90's were consistently criticized for being overly sensationalized and manipulative in their presentation of topics. Geraldo was infamous for being one of the worst offenders.
I wrote to Michael when he was in prison. He used to write back, but never really had much to say, except about his book he was writing. We did have a laugh about Peter Gations and Michael Alig(s) names creating Allegations .
1994: I was a hoodlum from Queens going to Limelight, Club USA, The Tunnel, Palladium, and the OG Sound Factory with my boys 2023: Deirdre from the panel on this show, is my closest friend. She has had, and continues to have an amazing career in modeling, fashion, and interior design.
So happy we have the internet because this was my youth. I was sophomore in high school working at a music store and finally in 1996 I made my way into the last bits of this and the goth scene. It was a fun expressive time. I made it out many didn't. Crazy to see angel alive right here though. Wow!!!!!!!!!!! Sad and intriguing.
3:05 Omg, Alig speaking of the bruises on his neck complete with close-ups by the camera, then the shot to Angel. What we are witnessing here, people, is a beautiful flowering of evil, in the most terrible way possible.
