CMMG 6.5 Grendel VS 5.56 | Which One Is Better?

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CMMG 6.5 Grendel VS. 5.56 | Which one is better? What do you guys think, which would you choose if you could have only one? Today Joel compares the AR in 5.56 with a nearly identical AR in 6.5 Grendel. Helping new shooters understand their choices. What is each one good for? Which one is better? Home defense, predator hunting, long range competition, etc? Enjoy.
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@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

*My mistake - this grendel is in the 300 series from CMMG. THE CHART - go to the Sniper’s Hide forum and search for Weaponized Math. You’ll find it there.

@lukebarber7598 4 года назад

Never stretched my 5.56 out ver far but I have the grendel and love the results. Working up loads for it now. Can’t wait to really stretch it out past 300 yards

@liverpool6380 4 года назад

I need help selecting a bullet for my 6.5 Grendel. I live in Ms. I have a AR-15 18inch 6.5 grendel. Only shooting 150/200 yards. Whitetail deer.

@lukebarber7598 4 года назад

Liver Pool honestly I like the hornady black. For the distance and game I like it. It would do good on the smaller frame deer down there. Really wouldn’t need anything bigger. My opinion of course.

@johnknierim9017 4 года назад

I’ve shot my Grendel out to 1100yds several times and all between. Granted it does take long to hit at Distance but it gets there and groups are surprising good. I was comparing it to a 6.5 creedmore

@johnknierim9017 4 года назад

The creed runs 500 to 600 FPS faster than the 6.5 Grendel with a 123 gr AMax It’s running from my rifle about 2510

@thelastjohnwayne 3 года назад

I think that the 6.5 Grendel is one of the best all around calibers for an AR15 platform. I wished that it would have caught on much more than it has. Also the more ammo that is produced and sold in any caliber the lower the cost of that ammo.

@richardmcdonald4190 3 года назад

I agree 110%. I can't believe it has been out so long, and I hadn't found out about it. Perfect for long range target shooting, and can take game with reasonable efficiency.

@otetechie 3 года назад

I think 6 mm ARC might kill the Grendel.

@MinecraftMasterNo1 3 года назад

@@otetechie 6 arc only does better for 1000 yards and over shots. It was made for precision shooting. Besides only hornady does 6 arc. We have cheap steel Grendel.

@born2beashooterjosh397 3 года назад

Couldn’t agree more after my first range session I was hooked and I shoot it 3x as much as I do 556 but that’ll change once the wolf goes away thanks to uncle sniffsalot and I don’t think the arc will get as popular bc the ammo jus won’t be able to catch up I mean the grendel is already limited in selection after over a decade and hornady hasn’t totally mastered the cartridge either there’s video after video of the same exact problems as the 224 Valkyrie but what do I know

@thelastjohnwayne 3 года назад

@@born2beashooterjosh397 Thank you Josh

@Mr.Killswitch 3 года назад

Videos like this that spill the beans are why I can’t find much 6.5 Grendel ammo anymore! Great video and glad to see the very versatile Grendel is getting some time to shine!

@daveperala4723 4 года назад

I have one of each. 16" 556 store bought and 18" 6.5 Frankenstein. Built a 10.5" 556 for home defense The 556 is par none out to 350 meters. Past that the Grendel is great out to 800. Could go further but I have a limited distance range. Now I could throw the dice and hit the power line cut, but...... Wish you would have used a 20" Grendel barrel, as that's an upgrade I'm looking to possibly make. To all of you thinking of getting into the 6.5 , be careful of where you get your mags. There are two main makers, one works fine while every mag I got from the other needed to have some work done to it. Rounds kept hitting the front lip when chambering. I found that getting 762X39 mags for an AR work great. Haven't had a round jam on the front lip yet. Grendel uses a necked down 762 case so no problem there. There's also a third option, called a 'multimag'. As to ammo, yes Virginia, the Grendel costs more to shoot. Pre freak out was @75 cents a round, lucky now if I can find under a dollar rounds. Whereas I can still get 556 for around 50 - 60 cents a round. Will the Grendel replace the 556 as America's sweetheart? I don't think so. The 556 is the girl next door while the 6.5 is the prep school blonde hottie across the tracks. 762X39 [AR-47} is the tattooed chick from the pool hall, smokin a Camel and drinkin a PBR. She'll give you a ride, but you AIN'T bringin her home to Mom & Dad.

@Kenny-bj2zq 4 года назад

HaHa that was to funny but so true..

@cuttlefishlongbottomtonche3974 4 года назад

Thanks for the mag info

@f3nixfire 3 года назад

Get the Elander mags in 6.5 Grendel. Israeli made steel mags. By far the best mags for 6.5 grendel. Not a single issue with mine and they come in 10 rd, 17 rd and 26 rd capacities.

@KPeteE 3 года назад

300 blk must be the really hot step sister that all your friends check out and give you shit for not tapping 😉👍

@DinoNucci 3 года назад

556 is NOT for home defense, and ANY rifle caliber out of half a barrel isn't either.

@larrywilson6555 2 года назад

My first AR was a 556 then I built a 308 didn’t like it was too big then I built a 6.5 creedmoor same as the 308 too big. I then built a 6.5 Grendel If I could only have one AR it would be my Grendel

@LastCaress7 4 года назад

I truly cannot get enough of 6.5 Grendel. Out of both my “competition” rifles. I always crave to shoot the Grendel. Tho im a creedmoor fanatic as well.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

LastCaress7 it’s a fun, capable caliber.

@SgtDvldawg 4 года назад

Agreed!! I am with you on both. I am a fan of my 6.5’s as well!! I can’t get enough of my Grendel, but will never leave my Creedmoor out either!!

@nicke1903 4 года назад

Eh to be fair in 2020 getting enough of any Ammo is damn near impossible.

@davidlinihan3626 4 года назад

SgtDvldawg wear a man bun?

@brent8491 3 года назад

Keep going, if you like 6.5 CM, try 264 Win Mag. It's been my goto game rifle for years.

@Heywoodthepeckerwood 2 года назад

Been a Grendel fan since about 2009. Anyone that’s built one doesn’t have to ask the question posed on this video.. in fact no one would chose an AR10 in 308 either after using a 6.5 grendel. I have a bunch of rifles and by far the most fun to shoot is an AR15 chambered in 6.5 Grendel. I built mine with a 20” lilja barrel (got in on the first AR barrel buy he made in Grendel) with an Alexander Arms side charging upper and matched lower receiver set.

@jx3s300 2 года назад

The 6.5G is awesome i love mine but the 6.8 is even better.

@Heywoodthepeckerwood 2 года назад

@@jx3s300 only if you shoot to 300yds. Otherwise 6.8 is ghey.

@MrDrocballer 3 года назад

I love the fact that using Closed Captions, the gun fire registers as “Music and Applause” ❤️

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

😂🤦🏻‍♂️

@av8rbri473 3 года назад

that’s funny

@dkn2128 4 года назад

I love my Sanders armory 6.5 grendel upper. I have taken it out to 1040yds no problem. Soooo smooth!

@Matteo_ 4 года назад

Been hooked on Grendel for a while now. 7 rifles chambered in it and I still cannot get enough.

@Matteo_ 4 года назад

BTW in the Marines, we use yards not meters

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Matteo lol thanks for clearing that up actually. I thought I was right on it, but I’m not a marine so I couldn’t be certain.

@Matteo_ 4 года назад

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork No problem. And thank you for the great content.

@brazzy1467 4 года назад

I have a 12.5", 16", and 18" 6.5 Grendels. I mainly hunt with the 16" & 18" and my 12.5" is my truck gun.

@Matteo_ 4 года назад

@@brazzy1467 Nice. I recently picked up a 13" barrel SS barrel. Had it hand lapped and it's currently off to get nitrided.

@brazzy1467 4 года назад

I used to use my 16" 308 AR-10 for a truck gun and was going to build a 12.5" 308 but then I started to look into the 12.5" 6.5 Gren and it made more since and it's one of my favorite gun's to shoot.

@JR03321 4 года назад

I have an ar10 in 12.5" and love it. Can you give me some details on your 6.5 grendel? Thanks

@brazzy1467 4 года назад

@@JR03321 bolt carrier is a Son's of Liberty Gun Works, bolt is a JP, barre is a Ballistic Advantage, muzzle brake is a Son's of Liberty Gun Works, upper and lower receivers is a ZEV billet set, VLTOR A5 BUFFER SYSTEM and buffer tube, Forward Controls components, BCM free float quad rail handguard, CMC 3.5lb trigger, Radian charging handle, Radian 45° throw selector switch, and a Vortex 1-6 strike eagle. Oh and I use my Silencerco Hybrid suppressor on it. That's been my deer hunting rifle for the last two years.

@DinoNucci 3 года назад

You're doing life wrong

@brazzy1467 3 года назад

@@DinoNucci I must be doing something right I'm still vertical.

@DinoNucci 3 года назад

@@brazzy1467 pretty low bar

@redriver6698 4 года назад

6.5 Grendel is my piggy gun, knocks the shit out them. Love the cheap ammo well I did until the shortage

@justinlance4174 3 года назад

@Chris Indermuehle yes it is but its over priced right now. Like everything else

@titosmiff1058 3 года назад

Do you think prices will go back down? I just ordered a 6.5

@redriver6698 3 года назад

@@titosmiff1058 yes I believe so

@hansblitz7770 3 года назад

Still easier to find when a panic buy begins.

@justinlance4174 3 года назад

@@titosmiff1058 yes it will go down eventually.

@brent8491 3 года назад

I try to consolidate calibers as much as possible. CZ making the 527 in 6.5 Grendel makes it a very versatile choice in a state that only allows manual rifles for hunting. 95 gr V-max for varmint and predator and 123 SST for deer. Plus it started my hand loading obsession, so Yay new hobbies

@phillipperkins4366 3 года назад

I bought a CZ 527 in the Grendel after I discovered the caliber from the AR. GREAT round.

@jrwickersham 2 года назад

I am wanting to add the CZ to my stable as well. The 100gr Barnes TTSX are my go-to projectile, loaded with either Benchmark, or Leverevolution powder. CCI SRM primers, as my hunting loads are all standardized and developed with magnum primers. Now if I could find nickel plated Grendel brass..

@JohnPatrick-mylifecademy 11 месяцев назад

Love the CZ pistols...how are the rifles?

@ForestxWalker06 3 года назад

I want to reload my 30-06 and my grendel using some lapua brass and some noslers.i love my 6.5 that I picked up from BCA, they did not disappoint me

@iBleedStarsAndBars 3 года назад

I built all of my AR platform rifles and the Grendel is my favorite.

@jerryhammack1318 3 года назад

Truly appreciate your time in helping others to make educated decisions on the subject. Former military myself. Hunting since 8 years old. Now 48 and am still shooting and hunting. Great no nonsense approach on the cartridge , and now a subscriber on your website 👍. God bless you and stay safe.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

Thanks for watching sir.

@RicoMnc 2 года назад

I love the 6.5 G but I'm seriously considering moving away from the AR platform and setup a 6.5 G bolt rifle. The way I usually shoot my Grendel doesn't require semi-auto action. For get up and go with rifle and ammo considering availability the 5.56 is still my go to.

@robase2665 Год назад

Same thought here.. I bought a cz 527 in 6.5 grendel.. super nice gun.. for other stuff I will use the much cheaper 5.56 in my AR's.

@MontanaWillie44 Год назад

I know this comment is 10mo old but here’s my opinion. Now that the CZ is discontinued for the 6.5 Grendel the best option factory wise is Howa 1500 Mini. I bought a barreled action 20” heavy barrel from Brownells. Married it to a Elf Owl chassis with AR stock adapter and a Magpul PRS lite. It’s a damn good rifle. Light enough but produces .5 MOA at 100 for me. I’m getting about 1” once I get out past 300.

@Paralyzed-rm6vc Год назад

Could have not said it any better I built all my ars from parts kits for custom needs .223/5.56 is set up as a millspec plinker my 6.5 grendle is hunting/ long range and my 7.62x39 is my brush gun

@PrecisionRifleNetwork Год назад

Cool. Thanks for watching.

@charliedee9276 3 года назад

I had an AR-10 I hunted deer with in Michigan. Shoulder replacement had me getting rid of it. Already had a 5.56 however it is not legal to hunt deer with a .22 caliber projectile, the 6.5 Grendel however is legal so now I have one of those as well. Yes, having both IS a good idea, the 5.56 is great for coyotes.

@tonyv8925 4 года назад

5.56NATO for me...available ammo at low price. In my geographic are, shots are limited to 300 yards or less, with 100 yard shots most likely. If I lived in a more open geographic area, I would most likely choose the 6.5.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Understood. All valid reasons. 👍

@DinoNucci 3 года назад

Correct

@boydanderson8682 3 года назад

I dont see it as a "Pick one" option. Everyone in the US should own at least one 556 rifle for all the reasons you mentioned. 6.5G would be in addition to the 556.

@dr.froghopper6711 3 года назад

New Mexico is good Grendel country.

@RockinRack 8 месяцев назад

Same thing holding me back. Taken a lot of hogs and yotes out to 400 with a 223 but if I wanted more power it's probably because I'm hunting bigger game and I have bolt guns for that. Ever since I got into creedmoor I haven't really touched my ar15s. I have 2 ar10s in 6.5cm with thermals for the varmints now so the grendel just doesn't fit in to my needs especially with ammo being so close in price. Maybe a general use truck gun in grendel might be a good idea just to have a little more power than 223. Looked at the arc but seen too many reliability issues

@Bshwag 4 года назад

I had a 24 inch grendel upper that was shooting sub one inch groups at 300.

@smokethirteen 3 года назад

Same here. My 24” Grendel upper shoots .5 moa or better using my hand loads.

@czts4778 3 года назад

What brand of barrel did you used?Thanks

@Bshwag 3 года назад

@@czts4778 That was a shilen barrel, and it was an upper from alexander arms, I don't think they offer those anymore I think they use Saturn barrels now. Though I Have heard good things about them. Just so you know I think I just got lucky as hell with that one.

@smokethirteen 3 года назад

It is a Satern cut rifle barrel. Expensive but it shoots. saternbarrels.net

@codya5333 4 года назад

Love the Grendel. Good range out of an AR 15 platform.

@tompanek7511 Год назад

I went with 6 ARC. Grendel is great but bullet choices are not great. Past 600 yards and out the 6 ARC takes over.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162 3 года назад

The Grendel is probably the best all around chambering for the AR 15 platform. The manufacturing support is there, with the right loads, it delivers .357 magnum energy out to about 750-800 yards, has very manageable recoil, and is capable of excellent accuracy.

@Nick-sx6jm 3 года назад

6 ARC is the best. Does everything the 6.5 does but better. More velocity, ability to use heavy for cal bullets, similar BC's, able to defeat armor with lighter bullets, and better useable grain weight selection imo.

@dalemyers3764 2 года назад

@@Nick-sx6jm Have you hunted with 6 ARC? It will work but real world results are showing that it's not better. That said, I'm going to get a 6 ARC too. It's on my list. Happy shooting.

@injunboy89 4 года назад

My recent acquisition of a howa 6.5 has been my best choice by far

@karlscross 4 года назад

I just got one too. Affordable and great shooter. I love the mini action

@Covencraft 3 года назад

we were shooting green man targets at ft benning at 300 yards open iron sights with the M16A2

@Pumaoutdoors6744 4 года назад

Honestly just want one to run like a battle rifle

@pimpovic2 2 месяца назад

My first exposure to the 6.5 Grendel was the dedicated AR I built for it with an Odin 20" barrel. With Hornady Black it shoots 3/8" groups. It's so soft recoiling and a pleasure to shoot. I love it. I bought a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Grendel and its also a very accurate. I'm currently waiting for a 16" Faxon Gunner 6.5 barrel to arrive, and I'm thinking a basic GPR style upper. Hopefully that's a shooter too, it's my first experience with Faxon as a brand.

@frankpetrie5879 4 года назад

Length of bullet, Googled it. I thought they might be interchangeable. I think ill stick with my AR-15 in 5.56/.223 @ least for now. Gr8 vid. TY 😉

@chrisrayburn 2 года назад

100yds maybe 200 is All I expect from any of my AR platform 556 is my favorite of my three. Accurate with no recoil.

@hk93shooter 4 года назад

shooting steel at less than 100 with each from 16in barrels there is a big difference. my friends goes " what the hell was that?" 123 from mr G. :)

@PlayingWithFireOutdoors 3 года назад

I commonly try and succeed at cold bore shooting my ranges 500m steel ram.

@TRX450R 4 года назад

Great video! Put a lot into prospective. Each caliber now makes more sense when considering purpose based on distance and energy. One thing you got wrong at the end of the video is when you said “choosing”. NO! No choosing! Must have both!

@richardmcdonald4190 3 года назад

Grendel is my last AR, if I can resist the 300 HAM'r as I have the 300 Blackout already.

@normanpeterson2396 Год назад

Not really...build a Grendel "battle" rifle (mine is an A-2 left handed clone) , and a Grendel long range rifle...

@harrisonmccullough1183 3 года назад

Hard to find magazines that will work well with the 6.5. Mine needed work on the ejector. buffer and gas block. I love the cartridge. Also had to polish and work the feed ramp.

@highspeed9518 9 месяцев назад

Not hard to find at all use the internet

@WildTex-m9u 16 дней назад

For hunting in Texas I just don’t end up using the AR10. The Grendel does everything I need it to and is less weight to lug around.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 16 дней назад

Thanks for watching

@Swampytheroot 3 года назад

Grendel is a fabulous round for me. Bought a bunch of .264 factory 'junk' rounds to play with. From a 24" Bear Creek, sub MOA with 140+ grain at 250 yards

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

cool.

@bryanross3466 4 года назад

Where can a guy find a dope card like that one? The Grendel is my favorite caliber.

@rhino67 3 года назад

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@actionjksn 2 года назад

I have the Grendel with an HBAR "20" barrel. Great rifle but that thing is super heavy, like around 8LB without the scope or ammo and well into the 10lb range with scope, bipod and everything. Anyone thinking about doing a 20 inch hbar better be prepared for a pretty hefty rifle. I was surprised by the weight, but I'm still happy with my choice since I have a fairly lightweight 14.5 middy so this one very specialized for precision work.

@mattllaves 2 года назад

You gotta hit the gym if 8 pounds is super heavy for you.

@actionjksn 2 года назад

@@mattllaves I am most likely quite a bit stronger than you are buddy.

@Scot9577 11 месяцев назад

Yes, it's a load, but less than an AR-10! Grendel likes a long barrel. I see 20" as the minimum. Which is mine in an HBAR too! That said, the Russian Wolf 100 grain FMJ was designed for a 16" barrel. Save your 120+ grain for the long barrel. Use the 100 for training, and shorter barrels. Just my two cents...

@actionjksn 11 месяцев назад

@@Scot9577 My short one is 5.56. My 20 is the only Grendel I have.

@Scot9577 11 месяцев назад

@@actionjksn I built a 16" for a girlfriend, who left me a few months later. I kept the carbine! I feed only the 100 grain wolf in it. Anything else would be a waste. The 20" gets the Hornady 123 grain HP. That's Match grade ammo! It rings the 10" gong at 800 yards every time. Gotta love it!

@johnknierim9017 4 года назад

6.5 Grendel is by far much better Longer range, hits harder and stays supersonic out to 1000 yds

@cohesive3482 4 года назад

@Frank The Tank True. But it hits like a BB at that range.

@johnknierim9017 4 года назад

I used 77 gr in shooting military matches for yrs. great bullet I personal have shot metal out to 953 yds using the 77 gr Sierra bullet Will it hold up to the 6.5 Grendel, absolutely not !! I normally use 123 gr bullet A-max ( which they don’t offer anymore) it runs out of my rifle 2585 fps

@cohesive3482 4 года назад

@Frank The Tank I was being a little sarcastic with the BB comment. But yeah, its not really designed for long range like the grendel.

@kellygibson4653 12 дней назад

IMO the 6.5 Grendel is the optimal round for CQB and LR shooting. I built a custom AR with 12.5 5R Faxon Match barrel and BCG, Billet 2A upper and lower, SA adj gas block, Aero precision full floating hand guard, VG6 Epsilon brake, Hiperfire Eclipse trigger, bipod, and Accufire Atro-20 2.5-20x56 FFP scope. Mini red dot for CQC. A 12.5" barrel is still lethal out to 800-1000yds.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 12 дней назад

Sounds pretty good to me. 👍

@kellygibson4653 12 дней назад

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Thanks, I appreciate that. Extremely accurate for an Economy build. Sub 1" out to 250yds so far. With quality match ammo. Still does decent with Wolf steel cased 1.5-2.5ish ave with the occasional flyers. Recoil is so light, holding aim is a breeze.

@000one 2 года назад

Great vid indeed. I own both calibers. Both are more than enough. All you would need this side of large game. thanks

@Bassman-yh3uv 3 года назад

“Big fleshy critters like this” 😂 - awesome rifles and thanks for the video!

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

thanks for watching!

@ImOldGregg 4 года назад

Curious as to how this is even a question...Ballistically there’s no comparison

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Old Gregg depends on your purpose I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@smicksmookety 3 года назад

Grendel is the clear winner, but there's something to be said about ammo compatibility, availability, weight, and size. Outside of hunting 5.56 makes more sense for a shooting intensive mission unless you're a designated marksman and even then you should probably step past the grendel to something a little longer range. There's definitely something special about it though, definitely my favorite round.

@f3nixfire 3 года назад

Love my Custom Grendel Hunter AR15 in a 20" ss barrel. It's so easy to shoot at range and it hits ALOT harder than 5.56 does.

@kingbaldwiniv5409 4 года назад

Followed you over from TFB Joel, I am a Grendel partisan. Add CMMG out oc Boonville, MO and I couldn't help but to show up!

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

King Baldwin IV Thanks for watching!

@CrazyHyperecords 2 года назад

Awesome Video. Straight to the point information, facts and knowledge.

@SgtDvldawg 4 года назад

Awesome video!! I am a Grendel fanatic myself!! Truly a joy to shoot and load for!! Can’t leave out my Creedmoor either!! Keep the great content coming especially if it includes the 6.5 gas guns!!

@jrwickersham 2 года назад

Sold my Grendel gas gun, but picked up a Ruger ranch 6.5G. I like the 10 round mag, use a leupold xv6 1-4x, and an OSS Helix suppressor. For sure one of my favorite to load and shoot. Been quite effective on hogs out to 200 yards, and hope to drop a whitetail with it this coming season.

@1BeGe Год назад

To be more accurate about the whole USMC zero thing: we do sometimes do a 36 m zero, BUT we use the 300 m aiming point in the reticle when doing it (not the center of the reticle). That means it's still a 100 m zero in the end, and we still will usually confirm at 100 and make final adjustments at 100. The 36 m is a means of getting an expedient zero using a well defined aimpoint within the reticle (the 300 m aim point).

@PrecisionRifleNetwork Год назад

Thanks for clarifying that. I appreciate it.

@MrCannonsdad 2 года назад

Here is a thought: Have a 5.56 10.5-12.5 inch pistol and keep an 18 inch Grendel for swapping out for long range shots. Nothing wrong with a long pistol barrel. Have this combo for the best of both worlds and various applications

@ravissary79 2 года назад

I'm a little torn between getting a 12" Grendel or a 12" 6mm arc. Trouble is Grendel is going pretty slow from a 12" bbl, but it keeps that energy well and has better bullet mass for hunting. 6mm arc is even less efficient in a short barrel but has a lot more starting velocity, so a short barrel will still have fantastic velocity, and even 105 gr bullets have excellent BC in 6mm arc. But Grendel has steel ammo.... i love my 18" Grendel but it's effectively a bench gun. After I got a 12" 350 legend I just LOVE that size, so darn handy.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 2 года назад

Cool. I’d be kinda curious to see if the 6ARC is even getting a complete powder burn out of a short barrel. My guess is, it’s not.

@ravissary79 2 года назад

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork most cartridges don't.

@dalemyers3764 2 года назад

My 12" Grendel is Home defense, hunting and capable of going out to 800 yards. If hunting is more important than long range shooting, go Grendel. If long range is the priority over hunting, then 6mm arc might serve you better. They both can be effective, but are better at different jobs.

@PaulJersey 2 года назад

I like the 6.5 Grendel and already have a 5.56. I am planning on getting another AR-15. I plan on getting another 5.56 to keep the cost down. I already have a dozen 5.56 mags & ammo.

@burtpearson9909 2 года назад

Nobody is taking the Grendel to its full potential. If they did they would find out that the 6.5 grendel totally smokes the 5.56. I run a 140 grain RDF With 28 grains of accurate arms 2520 Cartridge length is 2.265 Out of my sander's armory 18" match barrel with R5 rifling I get 2300 FPS And 1644 muzzle energyAt a 1000 yd I'm still getting 1212 fps And 457 energy. No pressure signs or flat primers, I could take it a little further but I'm satisfied with what I got. I love this cartridge because I love the AR15 size weapon and not the AR10.. Give me Great-Power and a small package

@shawnmurray7232 3 года назад

.223/5.56 from 16" barrel has no trouble hitting a full sized silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights. But gotta love the 3x energy delivery a 123gr 6.5 Grendel bullet can land at that 500 yard distance!!!

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

agree

@lloydcastleton 4 года назад

The answer in caliber is the the answer to application. Purpose will always determine round.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Lloyd Castleton agree. Thanks for watching.

@lloydcastleton 4 года назад

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork not a bad overview of a video. I think you definitely acknowledged some aspects a lot people tend to overlook without going overboard into it. I just hope a lot of viewers pick that up in this video. Even though you have rifles like the MK18 and DMR 5.56, you picked out a point that most people will have a particular set up and purpose.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Lloyd Castleton Thanks for watching. 👍

@ivanorizaba9174 3 года назад

I would love to see 224 valkyrie and 6.5 Grendel..I hope you can make it happen

@bmstylee 3 года назад

Basically 224 flopped. It was launched in the wrong barell twists and was unable to stabilize the 90s. Basically companies rechambered 1:7 223 ar15 barells. It was good with the lighter stuff up to 77s but then it is pointless given a 223 could basically do the same thing. It's since had faster barrels but no one is really interested anymore given the overhyped launch that didn't live up to expectations. Dead caliber for the most part.

@DinoNucci 3 года назад

@@bmstylee correct

@davidh9659 3 года назад

@@bmstylee it's not so much a twist rate issue as bad barrels/reamers apparently. Have not seen stabilization issues with the 7 twist ones, unless maybe with the very sleekest 90+grainers like JLK or berger that don't really offer you a whole lot over stuff like the much shorter 90gr SMK, 85.5 HybridTarget, etc

@alphasheepdog9683 2 месяца назад

6.5 is perfect for us wanting more than 5.56 without moving to an ar10 platform. Problem is.. magazines are unreliable. Ammo is ridiculous and it hasn’t been mass adopted so surplus ammo, more spare parts aren’t plentiful. Hopefully the Serbs adopting it speeds this up cause it is a solid round. Won’t usurp the 5.56 but it’s a viable alternative. Once magpul spits out some reliable magazines and ammo costs fall, that’s all it needs.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork Месяц назад

agree. thanks for watching.

@nospam3409 Месяц назад

"Better" will always depend on what features or characteristics are more important to the individual. I love my 6.5 Grendel, but I also appreciate and use multiple 300 BO and 5.56 uppers depending on my application.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork Месяц назад

I agree. Thanks for watching.

@jasonlopez4855 2 года назад

6.5 Grendel 🤔 is good but I like the bigger 6.5 creedmore 👍🏽 it took me years I figure out if I wanted the AR-15 rifle or LR-6.5 for big open space In N.M. so I went with LR-6.5 creedmore

@Huy_Nguyen_USA 3 года назад

The better question is: Why not? Have you ever heard of an infantryman saying: "No thank you, that's too much penetration. "? Tbh: I REALLY wish the engineers would solve the magazine capacity issue.

@mikecarlson6083 3 года назад

Have 6.5 grendel already but thinking of changing the barrel to 6mm version to increase range and bc

@bryanduchane2371 3 года назад

Love the Grendel. Even the Wolf ammo is fairly accurate.. I'm getting slightly over a inch at 100 yards with it out of my Grendel. Much better with match Ammo, but the cheapest ammo you can buy for the Grendel is still fantastic I'm comparison to any other caliber!!

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

Agree. It’s excellent.

@dalemyers3764 2 года назад

Yep. Depending on which gun I'm using, I get 1-2 MOA out of that Wolf steel cased Grendel. I have no problems. It's a joy to shoot. I get it online for about .70 per shot as opposed to the match ammo costs (unless I'm really trying to be precise).

@erp1776 4 года назад

Thank you for the video. Could you please discuss the water line and what it is and how to use it?

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

It is simply a way to evaluate your shots on target at distance. Hold on the waterline and if your group is low, dial up or vise versa. It helps you determine your exact drop data for each distance. You can then take your findings and tweak your ballistic computer to match.

@erp1776 4 года назад

Okay so split your Target in half with a line put your radical on the line hit high or hit low make adjustments. Cool thank you

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

erp1776 yep you got it.

@kingbaldwiniv5409 2 года назад

6.5 Grendel is my go-to caliber in ARs. Deer, hogs, 2 legged varminting, I love it. Nothing against 5.56, I love it, but I love the terminal performance of the Grendel at all sorts of distances. I skipped .308 because it isn't as good for anything I need. I may get a 6.5 PRC, but the Grendel is my tactical round preference.

@jeredalmeida1880 2 года назад

So you've got a kangaroo infestation on your homestead? Lol

@kingbaldwiniv5409 2 года назад

@@jeredalmeida1880 doggone wallabies.

@jeredalmeida1880 2 года назад

@@kingbaldwiniv5409🤣Just another day in The Outback, mate.

@ettube8686 2 года назад

Nicely done realistic video thank you sir

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 2 года назад

Thanks for watching

@tommeyer6788 4 года назад

If it was matter of ammunition I would go with the 223 5.56 thank again Joel

@mtnhunter5578 4 года назад

Great video much appreciated, been debating on a med range AR platform for coyote and deer hunting!! Thanks to this video....think I just found it!

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

MTN HUNTER I think you’ll enjoy it. Thanks for watching.

@kingbaldwiniv5409 4 года назад

ELD, Fusion, and Custom are all good for deer.

@ElderGuy729 2 года назад

A Sanders Armory Grendel upper is the best investment a 5.56 owner can make to get into the Grendel game without breaking the bank.

@uralbob1 4 года назад

Love the Holstein graphics!

@CaptGus 3 года назад

6.5 is awesome got a hold of a Alexandra arms 11 1/2 inch barrel and I’ve been having a blast

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

excellent choice

@crs8958 4 года назад

Great shooting Joel.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Thanks

@arhunters1936 3 года назад

We have a solid amount of field data on the 6.5Grendel with wild game. For wild game we pretty much exclusively shoot the factory Hornady 123gr SST and a majority of the time use a 24" barreled set up because thats what the box data is based on as they use a 24" test barrel for that so its a fast conversion in the field when we need to. I have killed 1x Elk with a 18" barreled upper at 200yds (head shot) and 3 Antelope with the same upper within 200yds as well. The 24" barreled upper has killed 7+/- Elk, 3x Ibex, 2x Barbary Sheep, 1x White Tail, 1x Mtn Lion, 1x Javelina from 150yds to 480yds. My 15yr old son shot a Cow Elk at 480yds (one shot kill - neck shot) for the longest stretch out of the 6.5Grendel, one Ibex was at 436yds and a Elk and Ibex again at 400yds. Someone documented a Cow Moose kill in AK with a 6.5Grendel and either a 18" or 20" barreled upper at 100yds as well with a one shot kill. The 6.5Grendel has a payload and ballistics to pretty much handle most Big Game as long as Shot Placement and Appropriate Distances are followed. Its an incredibly great caliber for youth hunters, small framed beginner hunters, females, and others because its low recoiling, affordable to shoot alot and get very solid consistent hits with and build confidence with for the needed shot placements. In several states its not legal to hunt with a 5.56 but it is with a 6.5Grendel - CO for example requires a .240Cal or larger for Big Game Hunting and thus a 6.5Grendel is legal to hunt Big Game with, NM allows any center fired caliber but your limited in distance and size of game potentially with the 5.56 if you did hunt with it where as the 6.5Grendel can reasonably handle any Big Game animal in NM. We have a YT Channel as well for hunting with ARs and a MeWe Group. Follow along or Join in and contribute pics and info if you are a Hunter using the AR platform

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

Thanks for watching.

@johnkizziah108 4 года назад

Im a Vietnam vet anything but a 5.56 ok for video games and city commando. But won't shoot through much. All good small caliber fighting guns started with a 22 Russian

@charleshaynes815 3 года назад

My preference between these two is 6.5 Grendel. But I own various rifles in both cartridges along with 6.8 spc, 6mm ARC, .22 Nosler, .224 Valkyrie etc I don’t plan to be limited

@Nick-sx6jm 3 года назад

Which of all of those do you like best as a do it all cartridge? Personally I think that the 6 ARC is the perfect combo of weight selection, speed, and ballistics. Can shoot light bullets 3200+ for defeating armor, varmints, or just as a mid range flat shooter and heavies for hunting and long range.

@charleshaynes815 3 года назад

@@Nick-sx6jm the 6mm ARC is truly the elite all rounder. I don’t have as much experience with it as I have with the others but it is promising.

@lightfoot9485 3 года назад

I own one of each! Great guns.

@DinoNucci 3 года назад

No you don't

@poorfatman5317 4 года назад

Since you asked 6.5 Grendel by far

@dbmail545 4 года назад

Gravity is not as exactly the same everywhere. But the difference in ballistic coefficient makes this post moot. 6.5 Grendel seems to be more vulnerable to reduced performance out of short barrels than 5.56.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Good point on the short barrels. Thanks for watching.

@ColdWarVet607 3 года назад

"They doped gravity, doesn't matter the bullet, the weight....". Respectfully it does matter what the bullet is. Gravity works the same on objects the same, 32.2 ft/sec^2 as I recall, in that sense you are correct. But we are not in a vacuum, the shape difference affects wind resistance of the object and is a 2nd order effect to how and when it finally hits ground. So Im getting technical here and it may not be noticeable in the distances and application you are talking about, but for precision shooting and for a sniper..... definitely. Loved the comparisons and the video...just my 2 cents.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

Thanks for watching. “Doped gravity” is Frank Galli’s term, not mine. I’m not much of a technical person, but what I do know is that I can take their chart and have applied it to all the calibers I shoot, and get accurate drop data in the field without knowing bullet weight, length, BC, etc. Whatever they’ve figured out mathematically, it simply works. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@johnlong384 Год назад

Thanks for your nice info-clip Joel, I have several AR-15's and will stick with them since I am not competing nor use them for hunting and since the ammo for the 6.5 is about 2.22 times higher than the .223 / 5.56 which would take the fun out of plinking for me. Take care and keep enjoying plinking!

@PrecisionRifleNetwork Год назад

thanks for watching!

@johnlong384 Год назад

Anytime, keep up the good work and please look up the "porch".

@johnlong384 Год назад

10-4!

@jmartin9059 3 года назад

*In COOPER COUNTY, MISSOURI deer have been taken with 6.5 grendel...at 250 yards in Big Muddy.*

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

It's a capable round for sure.

@bmstylee 4 года назад

Joel: I think we can all agree this isn't a long range setup. Me(being a smart ass): I'm not agreeing to that. Great stuff again.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Wild Bill 😂

@devildog1989 3 года назад

No, the Corps uses yards when we zero because our table 1 rifle qualification range is also in yards.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

K thanks

@devildog1989 3 года назад

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork I only mention it because you said you weren't sure if we zero meters or yards. I hope it was helpful.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

@@devildog1989 yep thanks for the clarification.

@smc1942 2 года назад

Grendel RULES!!! Once you try one, you will want one! This cartridge likes a long barrel! 20" minimum. Especially the heavier 120+ grain bullets. My 20" loves the Hornady 123 HP! This is Match Grade quality ammo! However, the Russian made Wolf 100 grain FMJ is designed for the 16" carbine barrel. It's lethal at 500m! Built one, tried it, love it! You cannot go wrong with an AR in 6.5 Grendel. (It's actually a 6.7mm, .264 caliber. Right in a ballistic sweet spot!)

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 2 года назад

Agree. Thanks.

@Brett235 Год назад

I prefer bigger bullets and bullet weights so the 6.5 grendel is what I chose. I have a 5.56 rifle but I rarely shoot it.

@Threewolfs- 4 года назад

Thanks, just found, needed info on the Grendel, needed that long distance gun with out going to the AR10. Also sub’ed, thanks again 👍🏼❤️🇺🇸🤠

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Threewolfs 45-70 excellent! Thanks.

@CrazyPalidin57 4 года назад

Look into the 6mm ARC for AR10 performance in a AR15 platform.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

@@CrazyPalidin57 Yep, I will hopefully be getting a review model of the CMMG 6 ARC soon.

@phillipperkins4366 3 года назад

Just buy a upper. I bought mine for $300 complete. Probably higher now. And ammo too.

@Threewolfs- 3 года назад

@@phillipperkins4366 yea, found one, upper on Bear Creek for under $200, complete 20” barrel. 👍🏼❤️🇺🇸🤠

@TexasTrained 2 года назад

I sure like the paint job on the 5.56 rifle.

@clt2a997 3 года назад

Which is better? They are 2 very different platforms. Both have their uses . AR15 is a combat rifle workhorse if you will. The 6.5 Grendel at 20” is more of a DMR style rig . I have both and use 1 for 0-300 the other I use for 300-1500ish .

@mikegrendel9126 4 года назад

Yes grendel is superior. 5.56 is just way more economical to load and shoot. One reason I really like my .221 fireball BTW to answer your question of just one 🤯

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Thanks for watching.

@skippygus73 Год назад

Liked the 6.5G but love the 6Arc. Hard to beat the 80g ttsx out to 200 yds and 103 eldx out to 400yds. Sierra 90g have shot the best groups but haven't harvested anything yet with them.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork Год назад

Nice. Thanks for watching.

@Scot9577 11 месяцев назад

Used a friend's at the range, researched it, built it, LOVE it, sold my 308!!! At my age, and with shoulder problems, I needed less recoil. Grendel is well named! It's a beast!!! Stocked up before Obadin! Due to recent events, I'm carrying more than usual. If certain people get frisky, I'm ready to party. Preferably, they'll leave an old phart ALONE.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 11 месяцев назад

nice. agree it's an excellent cartridge.

@Scot9577 11 месяцев назад

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork I also meant to add, Duramag makes mags that can interchange! The 28rd 7.62X39mm mag, and 26 rd Grendel and 6.8 SPC can use each others mags! Some friends and I discovered this at the range one day; noticing how these mags have the exact same exterior measurements. So we swapped, loaded, fired and had fun while we tested them. Later, when I couldn't find mags for the first two calibers, I bought some for the 6.8, and, as expected, _they worked great for both my calibers!_ I hope this helps someone with their supply problems.

@anthonydietmeier6524 4 года назад

10 points for not ruining the pronunciation of the word ambidextrous.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Anthony Dietmeier 😂 pet peeve of mine. Ambidextreeeus 🤦🏻‍♂️

@anthonydietmeier6524 4 года назад

@@PrecisionRifleNetwork it's like nails on a chalkboard. Estetics in place of aesthetics is getting old fast as well.

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

Anthony Dietmeier yep agree. Another one is “whenever.” “Whenever I went to the store the other day...” Should be, when I went to the store. OR I went to the store the other day. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 4 года назад

@@dahut3614 what THEE hell are you talking about? ;)

@robertjackson1407 2 года назад

Thank you 😊

@occultustactical6138 2 года назад

I built a Grendel and do like the longer range the bullet provides. It’s round is very close in size to the AK 7.62 x 39.

@Bibitybopitybacon Год назад

Apparently you can make 7.62x39 into 6.5 grendel brass crazy easy. Just neck it down to 6.5 and then the case fire forms to the chamber. Haven't tried it myself.

@Bshwag 2 года назад

i have had no problem hitting targets out to 540 m with grendel

@ReversePolarity5 4 года назад

Very nice. At the risk of having to buy & store different ammo, it makes me want to diversify. Would've liked the video even more if it covered 5.56, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmore, and 308/7.62x51 for those of us fascinated but wanting help deciding and can't afford all 4. Just a suggestion, but thoroughly enjoyed this one as is. Thanks again. #2A

@MF-Rell 4 года назад

If you got 5.56 then get a A Grendel.. Just swap the upper and go and have fun

@ReversePolarity5 4 года назад

@@MF-Rell it's that compatible? Same magazines too?

@MF-Rell 4 года назад

@@ReversePolarity5 Only 5 Grendel cartridges fit in an 5.56 Mag I think I purchased some E-lander mags that hold 26 rounds and I been shooting steel cased Wolf Ammo and Hornady match rounds with no hiccups. 6.5 Grendel with a 13 to 18 inch upper is a nice addition to your stable.

@ReversePolarity5 4 года назад

@@MF-Rell thanks.

@MF-Rell 4 года назад

@Durell Dailey 300 blackout, 5 Grendel carts, 223, 458 so I'm, and beowulf bushmaster.

@av8rbri473 3 года назад

Agree on the -0- for .223/.556. I think that’s aka MPBR. Max pt. blank range

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

👍 thanks for watching

@avelezusmc7929 3 года назад

As a Marine the 5.56 is alot more than a plinker or something for target practice it kept my ass alive and killed those trying to kill me or my Brother's

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

yep agree. Never said it was a worthless round. Thanks for watching.

@DinoNucci 3 года назад

#wisdom

@smithnwesson990 3 года назад

6.5 Grendel would be great if they could be made reliable with sturdy bolts and reliable 26 round magazines. I only see a caliber as viable if it can be used in a 16 to 18 inch barrel and fed reliably in 20 to 30 round magazines. 6.8 spc necked down to heavy 223 rounds would be great. Like 75 or 77 gr bullets going 3000 fps

@PrecisionRifleNetwork 3 года назад

Interesting. I have had zero issues during years of use with products directly from Alexander arms.

@Nick-sx6jm 3 года назад

Then look into the 6 ARC. It can shoot light bullets 3200+ and 70 gr class bullets around 3k.

@dalemyers3764 2 года назад

I have a mix of mags from C products and Elanders. I am yet to have any mag issues and I shoot 1-2 times per month. I know some have had problems in the past. I've only owned Grendel for about 2 years so maybe the newer mags are much improved.

@mikehagan4320 3 года назад

Define " Better." What traits are needed for your Specific Purpose?

@eddiesanders3383 3 года назад

Grendel is a do it all round. Out to 600 yards easy

@johnknierim9017 2 года назад

6.5 Grendel of course

@caseysmith9355 2 года назад

Buddy, i really enjoyed our video and learned a few things. But Please put your weapon on safe after you are done shooting.

@levyrogers6979 4 года назад

Well done video my friend. Once again thank you for your time people. And your information of the two calibers at hand. Along with your findings, with what could be their best fields of uses. This debate between these two calibers and their usefulness out within the field has been and in some cases still does raise its ugly head, in which one is as good as the other, that the other is a waste of money, shows no real reason for its use, in which the other would not do or give the person the same results. This discussion has been at times a much useless waste of time. Think you again for a well and informative review of these calibers and their best uses in the field. This give the person a much more positive view of what they can expect when using each calibers and in what type of platform to use them in. And what they can now expect from which ever caliber chosen at the time for that platform of uses. Again thank you gentlemen for a well and informative video. Keep them tight.