CMMG Dissent in 300 Blackout! Virtus Competitor? 

I could be wrong but I think most American firearm companies are strong supporters lmao

@@johnsierra9792 ​ Respectfully, you couldn’t be more wrong. Just because someone sells guns doesn’t mean they support the values of the second amendment. Many companies (cough cough HK) stand against selling to civilians because it ups their brand as a “military” exclusives firearms company. There are other reasons companies may be anti 2a but HK was the only one that came to mind when responding. Hk has also sold G36’s to cartels in Mexico.. they’re not my favorite brand

And let’s not forget Daniel Defense, they throw the 2nd amendment under the bus every chance they get. I’m not sure there’s a gun control law they haven’t liked. They do it to keep their government contracts. HK and Daniel Defense are two difficult companies to like.

Patriot Ordnance Factory is out of Arizona. Pakistan has a factory called “Pakistani ordnance factory”

Thanks for the info. I really made some assumptions. CMMG is now the top of my list on my next purchase.

That, and make them in rifles please. I don't get the handgun only thing.

@Military Arms Channel I'm not opposed to a rifle version. But the whole point of making a design like this is to make it more compact. Now you can have major firepower in a backpack gun, a super compact design. That will be way thinner than a typical ar15 pistol with law folder

At $1999 they have a 12 month backlog

@@Militaryarmschannel No point to a rifle- these are for going short and quiet.

​@@Militaryarmschannelid buy one 14.5 pinned and welded .

They have it now!

The JAKL and the BRN-180 aren’t really “AR replacers” tbh.

@@idontwanttoputmyname403 yeah they're designed as evolutions for the civi market where as the other guns were military guns. I understand but I think many people knew what I meant.

@@austinpatkos7563 I wouldn’t really even call them evolutions personally. The BRN-180 is just a revival of the AR-18/AR-180 since brownells was on their retro kick and the market was there. And the JAKL is basically just “SCAR at home”. They’re not really designed to try and supplant the AR market the way the SCAR or the MCX and others have been, just to fill in what it doesn’t cover.

@@idontwanttoputmyname403 yea I hear ya on that.

@@austinpatkos7563 I get how you were looking at it though. Fair points :)

Nope.

Yup.

Well said

It's like Jeff Cooper said- "an unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing ". One of my favorite quotes. 👌

I've been playing with one for a while, it's on deck for a video soon. I like it very much.

Awesome, was going to ask if that was on the books. Thanks!

@Military Arms Channel it is a little heavy, but simplistic and affordable. Can't wait to get some rounds through it and compare it to my 8.5" Franken 300. I installed the strike dual folding adapter brace because I like the right hand folding option.

@@Militaryarmschannel I've been looking forward to your JAKL video. I have 2 and I'm very impressed with them.

@militaryarmschannel Would love to see a video comparing the dissent, jakl and rattler. Three great new gen platforms!

IIRC the barrel life is another con. Much shorter lifespan compared to more common rounds such as 5.56 or .300BO

@@sofloflow And much shorter than 6.5 grendel too.

Frankly, I would forget the high pressure, the beauty of 6 arc is that you don’t need a lot of powder to do the job. True velocity could make a polymer cartridge based on it that would solve the magazine problem. That said, nothing is stopping you to make a specialized load for a specialized rifle with amped up pressures on the same cartridge. What I think I would do is tuning the powder for a 10~11 inch barrels and make a specialty load at a slightly higher pressure for longer barrels if there is a need for it. The idea is something that can deliver high volume of fire and still be accurate instead of something that compromises so much to defeat level IV body armor. Ideally spending as little powder as possible to preserve barrel life (seems army has a tendency to not want to replace barrels these days).

@@sofloflow I'm not sure that is true. Barrel burnout is caused by unburned power igniting in the chamber or slower-burning powders used to maximize speed. Today's powders are moving towards faster and faster burning for short barrel performance. The higher case pressure in the new Sig round is mostly from faster-burning gunpowder.

@@user-pq4by2rq9y The True Velocity case is probably the future. It has many advantages on paper but needs more time to prove reliability for the Military. I would love to work on that project too. The thermal dynamics are vastly superior to brass. It makes me wonder why someone does not coat brass in a thin layer of plastic. A lot of people confuse the advantage of the higher pressure case with the way it has been applied. It could focus on increasing the velocity, which would result in a barrel burner as the powder is still burning down the barrel. Instead, they are using faster powders that can utilize shorter barrels. This is the opposite of a barrel burner. Think of it like this. A long slow burn pushes the bullet all the way down the barrel to maximize velocity-more time at higher pressures. A short burn is a higher pressure initially but doesn't keep pushing as much when the bullet travels down the barrel. Sure it could be used either way, but the way Sig designed the .277 fury, they use a faster powder that can use a shorter barrel. Hornaday is using faster powders in its Black series of cartridges. That's why you won't get a drop in velocity with shorter barrels as much as some of their legacy loads.

I would much rather have the 300BLK.

Fixing what you just mentioned and making the lower receiver controls fully ambi would really make this thing stand out even more than it already does!

Sounds like a job for Dan Haga. He makes great after market parts.

I think it was Larry Vickers that said the AR-180 was one of the most successful failures in the industry. The design was used in many countries like Japan, Singapore, UK, even Germany.

Huh

I hear ya there. Not a big fan of the AR bolt/extractor design either. Very delicate in my opinion.

This year I bought a Sig 516 and Brownells BRN4 HK 416 clone. I’m favoring the short stroke piston! I’ve owned about a dozen Direct impingement Ar’s

Their internal geometry is designed around a particular regime of flow rates and pressures. Subsonics lay outside that regime. While they are fantastic with supersonics due to their high mass flow rate (and consequently, low backpressure) the same characteristics don't lend themselves to subsonic use. They're totally usable in a subsonic application, but they are not efficient at it.

@@HaleFire7 Makes sense, thanks for your explanation 👍

Jakl in 300 blackout already? I need to grab one. 🇺🇸🗽🦅👍🔥💪

3k for mcx... All you need to know

The main reason is that sub-sonic 300BLK rounds don't produce enough gas to reliably run most actions. They require the additional back pressure that a suppressor provides. OSS suppressors are flow-through and don't provide enough back pressure. For example I have an OSS 7.62ti. With that suppressor my Rattler will only cycle with the hottest 220 grain sub-sonics and even then, not completely reliably. With a traditional baffle can (I was able to try it with a friends Dead Air Nomad) it ran everything I put through it including some wimpy 200 grain.

Yepsir Agreed!

I'm a huge MCX fan, the SPEAR LT is my baby.

@@Militaryarmschannel Love my Spear Lt also

@@Militaryarmschannel Thanks for the great content you share with us!

​​@@MilitaryarmschannelCome on now! You just said the rattler was your baby????? Seems to me that CMMG is just as innovative and more consistent than Sig. Sure don't see them forcing customers to be unwilling and unpaid B testers for their often hastily released products.

Thank you for watching.

@@Militaryarmschannel Youre afraid to fight for liberty. You would have been a snitch in colonial u.s. no doubt

But the ARIC works only with Law’s folder (at this time).

Law tactical missed the point of not needing a full spring and buffer. Why would I want a buffer tube if I don’t have the buffer and spring in there?

Hk

I found it has to do with ammo manufacturing. After reloading and having consistent o.a.l., no issues

Yeah. It's a little beast for sure

I just don’t see the advantage of 300 blackout for any practical application.

@ Liberty Or Death huh? what do you? please dont say 556 SOCOM seems to find it excellent

@@brighthought11 the ballistics fall short of most 30 caliber cartridges. I have no application where I’d sacrifice energy for subsonic 300 blackout. Yeah sure, throwing rocks is pretty quiet to but I’m not going that route either

@@TheREALLibertyOrDeath Saves your ears for home defense when I went down the rabbit hole for research.

Cleaning is insignificant. Tim realizes that the Dissent is the better platform. He is such a Sig fanboy that he won 't admit it.

It's a completely different system, cetmes are roller-blowback like the G3, AR-180s are short-stroke gas piston.

That's because they open the port on non-adjustable guns so they will run everything. Adjustable ports are for fine tuning the guns. Apples to oranges comparison. But PSA AR's are good rifles.

It came with the gun.

@@Militaryarmschannel Thanks MAC. Keep an eye on it. It would be interesting to see if it locks up after 100, 200, or 300 rounds with 300 blk.

Hm

At least it runs and doesn't need 3 iterations to be a halfway reliable firearm.

The ammo was inconsistent, didn’t you hear him talk about that?

The rattler didn’t need three iterations, just one, but go off

@@ghnostshinobi2060 the rattler is part of the mcx platform, that did. And, generally, most Sig products come to market with a lot of issues, and require a few generations to get working semi reliably. Also, it's not going off to point out a pattern. Wasn't even a rant....and the above was just a clarification. So idk how you got to where you got.