I remember Coke LA Rock back in '75. I viewed him as a hype man who said rhymes but not a rapper. He is truly a pioneer who deserves more credit. Both Mario and Herc are major contributors to Hip Hop. What made Herc unique is that he started focusing on the breakdown more than the song. Mario played the right songs at the right time. People danced and breakdance at Mario parties. With Herc, he took it to the next level, focusing on the get down, which attracted break dancers. As a kid in the Bronx, I saw them play, but it was when I saw GM Flash in the Bronx and GM Flowers in Brooklyn that I became interested in DJing.
@rotweilerscholar1181 The eldest OG of them all, Pete DJ Jones, said in an interview, "I started MCing myself, I used to like talking over the music. You got guys like Kool Herc and Bambaataa that claimed they started hip-hop, they gotta remember that hip-hop emerged from R&B. I had a lot of rappers say they was influenced by me. These rappers started emerging about 1975 and 1976." And then he went on to say, "I used to set up over there on 138th Street and Morris Avenue. I’d get some lights...there’d be kids running around saying, 'It’s Pete DJ Jones in the park tonight!' About 8 or 9 PM, it would be packed. Junior High School 48th, Paterson Projects, we’d play all over. We started setting up around ’73." Pete DJ Jones later said that he was the one that started first extending the beat part of the record and playing it over and over in 1973. He said, "We used to sometimes play ten records with nothing but the beat part. I think hip-hop is nothing but R&B music that took a turn from that. Hip-hop and rap are expressions of poverty. Blues did the same thing back in the ’30s." In another interview Pete DJ Jones was asked if he b-boy danced in the club and he responded by saying, "Yeah, in my club, I’d be on the floor and they’d pick me up and throw me out. There are too many B-boys around there, because they’d get frightened when the break dancer starts breaking, everybody runs like it’s a fight. And they gather around and another would jump down there. But talking about the clubs being integrated, you had the Latin-Puerto Rican and Blacks and Jamaicans, everybody at a large club." Pete DJ Jones' b-boy remark was in reference to around 1976. Jones was a DJ BEFORE Kool Herc became one in any capacity and Jones was a complete DJ; he personally combined and did the MC'ing, dancing/b-boying and DJ'ing elements of Hip-Hop. Kool Herc did not.
One thing about Coke La Rock is that he is Definitely one of the OGs that has the most consistent and genuine narrations on what actually happened and didn't happen based on his experiences of living through those formative years of Hip-Hop. I give a lot of validity to what Coke La Rock says. there will always be a discrepancy here or there in any one's narration but out of all of the early Hip-Hop related people from the 70s, his words are among those that weigh the heaviest in the grand scheme of things.
See we didn't make the qualifications 😂😂😂 The Caribbeans who really don't know what there talking about did and by their standards HERC most definitely isn't HIP-HOP 😂😂😂
One cannot start a culture. All of these brothers. Who shared a New York experience. They all in different aspects. Help to start a culture. It did not matter were they came from. They all had a black American New York experience.
@@LonnellRich I agree with you on your point. But this Tariq nasheed fba's want to act like only black Americans was the only ones to create this culture. That is just not true. It was different black people from all different backgrounds and cultural expression.Who all shared a particular New York City American experience. Just like the Southern hip hop culture. Not all black people can lay claim to creating that culture.Only those who was there can make that claim. Unfortunately some will use the people ignorance to keep them from taking control back from those who really control hip hop nowadays.
@@BigdogGaming-sm3lj Stop it Dog. You pretty much ended the argument. They had a BLACK AMERICAN New York experience. So they were being down with FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE. Those are just the facts 🤷🏿♂️
Great interviews on telling our stories but to stop the mystery as them while they are alive do Hip Hop come out of black American culture just like Cholly Rock said it did that's key. Peace
You most certainly didn't COACH him in specifying that Mario and Smokey were the only other HIP-HOP DJ'S who wer there at the same time as them. Just with smaller SoundSystems. We also must remember HIP-HOP CULTURE has never been SOUNDSYSTEM CULTURE 😂😂😂
@@lroyjetsonson5060 You weren’t there. I know all of these cats personally. If you were there then you would know that when Mario and them played, they came out with a big system. Take your blinders off.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 I don’t need to watch any videos, I lived it. You and people like you have to watch videos and read books to get a glimpse of what it was like in the beginning.
@soulknob9991 Exactly. There's 10years worth of interviews with the actual people and idiots like you. Don't even care. That's why people think Jamaicans created speakers and toasting. Don't even answer me back Dummy.
Brothers who were there, and saw it know one thing. That is beats and rhymes, and that was Coke La Rock and Herc. Before that we had DJs. One doesn’t work without the other. There were local DJs before Herc on the Westside. Coke and Herc are the 1st we remember with the beats and rhymes. That’s what we call hip hop. The mixing is DJing. What we really disputing. Who were the emcees before Coke La Rock?
WHAT DID KOOL HERC DO TO START HIP HOP???!!!There were many parties in the Bronx! There were many DJ's in the Bronx, Kool Herc play music from that era just like every DJ did, so what was so different that Kool Herc did???!!! There was no hip hop records to be play then, so Kool Herc did exactly what every other DJ did!!! The rappers from that era started HIP HOP NOT Kool Herc!!! "IF" "IF" If Hip Hop started at 1520 Sedgwick Avenue, that will mean COKE LA ROCK started Hip Hop NOT Kool Herc!!! SORRY but Herc didn't do anything but through a party & let a dude rock the mic!!! That don't mean Herc started Hip Hop!!! What would they say if COKE didn't go to that party???!!!
@9:00 he said the most important thing he could've ever said. Jamaican music has copying built into it. so that why herc was copying what the disco king was doing
The part at the end about Jamaicans always do covers of American songs is not true! This also happens the other way around. Especially back in those times. Mostly we create our own sound. Well we used to do that. Can’t find a classic riddim that mimics a hip hop beat. I can absolutely find many hip hop songs that mimic reggae/dancehall riddims! Also he has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to what Jamaicans introduced to the world. Jamaicans would do something called toasting di dub. That means the normal song would get played. The selektah (eventually became called DJ in America) would flip the record over to the version (instrumental) of that riddim. A DJ (what would become known as the emcee) would begin to chat (what would eventually be labeled as rapping) on di mic. Most times just talking what he saw before him at that dance. This went on in Jamaica way before hip hop parties were held in the US! People forget those times in NYC you had huge Jamaican sound systems that would play out. This was before, during, and still to this day! They would play all types of music. Not just reggae/dancehall. Any yaadie even knows to current many Jamaican parties are themed. Some nights it’s strictly roots. Other night dancehall. Then some nights you have blues night. This is the night they would play disco and soul records. This was all prior to hip hop parties. I personally would say hip hop started from a combination of people, cultures, and ideas. Not from any one source! No one person could have created all of what we know as hip hop today! Not Flash, not Bam, not Herc! Not Jay or Unc Red! Everyone contributed to the creation of hip hop in one way or another!
@@DJXcaliburu roy, count muchuki and coxsone Dodd claimed they did. If hip hop is sub culture like your claiming it to be, how comes hip hop is not played in the carribean island?????
Y'all really missing da point here Kool herc said plenty of times he was going to party's in NY or jams but he said he was going to play his music DIFFERENT from what other DJs was doing at da time so he only played da break of da record and not da whole record thus came real b.boy hip hop cause when real hip hop came everybody did not except it so herc jams was basically b.boy jams everybody wasn't there cause everybody didn't enjoy how hip hop was played so plz stop but let u tell it everyone was at Mario's jams as he did da Snake lol Mario gets all his props for being a early DJ in da parks and projects playing music
@kingdon4451 So was the Disco 3 Hip-hop or Disco? You Caribbeans are real pieces of work. Why did he take Coke la Rock to Mario's Jams if he wasn't Hip-hop. Why isn't Herc's name Hip-hop Herc? Why is Grand Master Flash named after a Disco DJ? Shouldn't his name be Kool Flash or Flash Bambataa, or better yet, Flash la Rock. Is LL Cool J a Disco MC because anyone atleast 40 and older knows he used to perform in Discotechs in the 80's. You're purposely not trying to hear what Coke la Rock is saying. Mario was Hip-hop facts are facts. Another fact Hip-hop predates Disco. So it would have been impossible to be playing Disco Music.
@blackpalacemusic Well, Coke la Rock just said it, and Cholly Rock also said that the first time that he came to Bronxdale in 76 Mario was already doing Hip-hop when he FIRST met him. Those are 2 people who weren't from his hood 🤷🏿♂️
Who is even talking about DJ Phase. Where does he fit in the conversation? There were lot of dudes around in the early stages of Hip Hop but they didn't have any impact.
The DJs were before the rappers hit the scene & there were a few that didn't become famous like herc, like in my hood there was dj Stevie Steve & dj Kenny ken 🤷🏾♂️
King Tubby created the Remix and "Dub" in Jamaica in 1968.MC's was "Toasting"(rapping) Over records played on "Sound Systems" from the Early 50's. Count Machuki was the First then Sir Lord Comic, King Stitt(1956), Dennis Alcapone, U Roy late 60's. U-Roy had the first Hit Record "Wake The Town" 1970. Kool Herc moved to the Bronx from Jamaica in 1969 and brought the "New" thing happening there with him. Herc didn't "Spin" Jamaican records because the Bronx kids were not Hip enough to Dig those sounds so he played what they knew, Funk and early Disco.
Everything you said, kool herc doesn't claim any of that. I don't get why people are putting words in kool herc mouth🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️???? The dub your referring is more linked to dancehall not hip hop. Toasting aka rapping was already done in jive talking by the likes of jocko Henderson, daddy o daylie etc. Coxsone Dodd brought the sound systems from the USA, so its all irrelevant. As phase, coke la rock and other pioneers have mentioned on this channel, mario started extending james brown breakbeats aka funk music before herc and that's what created HIP HOP MUSIC. Reggae/dub beats have no links to hip hop whatsoever. They sound nothing like it.
You man are asking the wrong questions, stop olaying and ask all these lot who started looping the breakbeats first...that's what literally changed the whole game!!!
@dj_adam... NO young brown skin teenagers having the freedom to put on outside jams themselves IN THE RACIST BRONX is what changed the whole game..looping breakbeats ..just took the game to another level...
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 disagree, people have always partied( whether inside or out) but actually manipulating records created a whole wave, also herc or flash dont get credited for statting outside patties, so this whole argument is irrelevant...
Nobody was extending the breaks before herc was doing it. Cut it out. Mario and them was just playing a lot of disco joints. Herc made the break longer so dudes could dance longer...hence the term..." break dancers." There are different elements to hip hop....rapping, graffiti, dancing, DJying, lingo, style of dress.... and no one person created hip hop!! FBA just mad that one Jamaican dude played a part in creating one of the elements of hip hop. And I'm a black American bronx born and raised dude...but the truth is the truth!!
@@gaticusx2933 that's what i see when i listen to these hip hop history vids/documentaries, they all say herc was the first to loop breaks, the others were just djs....
@@gaticusx2933 i think james brown and funk artists from that era deserve alot more credit for hip hop too, most of those drum beats are timeless and get used all the time in jungle/drum and bass....we've been using them since the early 90s and they're still going strong over 30 years later...we created a whole genre off of them from 1991...
Since yall going to coke La rock...he also says in this same interview that he didnt hear any other DJs extending the breaks before herc did it!! Go watch this whole interview. The interviewer was trying so hard to discredit herc, and put FBA DJs before herc. No one person created hip hop. It was a combination of elements.
@TheCulture..Since1971 I never said putting break beats together started hip hop. Hip hop is a combination of elements. It isn't just one element like say..." rapping." And there isn't a specific, one person who created hip hop. It's different people who contributed to different elements in hip hop. Unfortunately for FBAs ....a Jamaican just happen to be amongst those founders.🤷🏾♂️ yall just gotta accept reality, and real history.
@gaticusx2933 like how they say nuyoricans!! look up nuyoricans=New York ricans(Puerto Ricans)... I can accept herc was a deeply african americanized Jamaican....herc was a deeply african americanized Jamaican...call it a africanamericanMAICAN... we can accept that... let that be properly documented in history.. that herc was so africanamericanized (with very little accent in his voice) that coke la rock didn't even realize herc was Jamaican in lineage..again herc was a africanamericanMAICAN when he contributed to our culture.. that's a fact. you gotta get a grip on
@TheCulture..Since1971 I don't doubt herc copied from black Americans. We're great! And yes, I'm a black American. Born and raised in the bronx NY. And still live here. I was around the early hip hop heads. At those jams. But my point is...it's just a fact that herc was a major player in the culture of hip hop, and was one of the pioneers. Tariq nasheed got black Americans blackwashing everything. I'm for my people, but not at the expense of the truth.
@gaticusx2933 So what your opinion on what Busta Rhymes said about HIP-HOP Mr 5$ FBA? Because you haven't tried to scold the Caribbeans in the comments about anything 🤔 If you're really a Foundational Black American then this question should be easy.Did the Soul and Funk musicians make almost all the songs back then with Breaks in the beats or did Kool Herc make the Breaks himself? Y or N. If yes could anyone dance to the Breaks and practice Break Dancing at their houses before coming to the party? Y or N. If so could it be Possible that Breaking was already Part of Bronx FBA culture before Jamaican intervention 🤷🏿♂️
I find it interesting that my post are deleted in your comments section. I'm not profain, disrespectful, or name call anyone who post or oppose any views. I stick to the topic and remarks, but it's cool. I won't post no more.
I understand 100% of the message of this vid. But Afrika Bambaataa (Bambooty) took something in its underground alpha state, added much needed seasoning, & helped formed it into something far more immense which & still alive & breathing.
