Cold Bulk Fermentation vs Cold Proofing Compared I Which is Better?

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The breadmaking techniques I use have changed and evolved over time, and my opinions towards certain techniques have changed as well. There are many ways to ferment bread dough in order to achieve a certain result. I have covered pretty much all of the main fermentation methods on this channel. From regular straight-through dough made at room temperature and only fermented for a few hours to various types of pre-ferments to slow room temperature bulk fermentation, cold bulk fermentation and recently cold final proofing.
Every one of those methods can be used to make great bread. When I say that a certain method is best it is only my opinion based on my experience, personal taste, and my current baking style. Your favourite methods may be totally different and for different reasons. As long as we understand the methods and their purpose we can judge and decide which suits us best.
One thing is for certain - the longer a dough is fermented the more intense and complex the flavour of the final bread will be. I like my bread to have a great depth of flavour. Cold fermentation is the best way of achieving this. Fermenting at very low temperatures allows us to keep the dough for much longer before it is baked.
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@ChainBaker Год назад

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@Glance852 Год назад

May I safely say that, we all here to watch the videos, so that we can bake and share the bread with the ppl we love 🥰

@nby578 Год назад

Yes! Though if household members are, say, traveling... well sometimes I have to *unfortunately* eat it all myself... Sad

@miladhosseinzade3076 Год назад

To impress my GF's mom :)

@ChainBaker Год назад

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@crevopress Год назад

Thank you for inspiring more confidence in bread baking!

@ChainBaker Год назад

Thank you for the kind support 🤩

@Zonfeair Год назад

I was making Pizza dough that I fermented one day in the fridge but after making pizzas I have some dough left over so I put it back in the fridge and forgot about it for three days. When I took it out I decided to try and make Focaccia out of it. It turned out too be the best tastiest bread I ever made. I guess it was the three day fermentation.

@chriscook6828 2 месяца назад

The best bread videos I have found in years. Straight to the point and very informative.

@Dracu1987 Год назад

Cold bulk fermentation fits my schedule in most cases, but good to know there aren't any significant differences in taste & texture. Apart from that, I will always choose cold bulk for high-hydration doughs, they are sooo much easier to fold & preshape when they are cold

@mariaroquavega5664 Год назад

I love it I like the bulk fermentation. Not exclusively but I think it produces a nice looking loaf. 🍞 Busy schedules have always threatened quality and limited creativity in the kitchen. Thanks to you that's an issue of the past.

@sfs122450 Год назад

I've used some version of cold fermentation since the first edition of "Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day". But it's never been as well systematized as you've done here, Charlie. I always appreciate the comparison videos. Thanks for all you do. Steve Schroeder

@farhanardy9250 11 месяцев назад

Your channel is the most complete guide for us the beginner (even for the advanced!) to understand the basic principle of baking!. straight teaching, no gimmick, excellent camera placement, and a little bit of comedy sometimes! Keep going, Thank you for making baking easy and fun for us!

@ChainBaker 11 месяцев назад

Cheers :)

@swc2019 Год назад

My sandwich loaf recipe take nine hours from start to exiting the oven. It makes a wonderful loaf. The one deciding factor for whether we get home made bread for the week is if I have a day with enough time to make it. Your experimentations have now given me the freedom to stretch that out over two days with minimal work! Thank you so much!!

@cristianofischer3080 Год назад

I have tried both methods using also a pre ferment, and it worked out very well. Thanks for all the great content you have produced. My baking got to another level just watching your videos.

@jonnsmusich Год назад

Cold bulk fermentation has complete changed my baking forever too. Thanks.

@doctwiggenberry5324 Год назад

I have switched to cold bulk fermentation for my bread making. It is so much easier to manage high hydration dough in the morning prior to baking and like you said the flavor is remarkable.

@Night_Rose_94 Год назад

Hello chef! I want to say thank you for all the comparison video's. It makes things easier and it's very interesting to know. So thank you for all those video's, cheers!

@rajishmaharaj7552 Год назад

Thank you for another excellent, educational and mouthwatering video.

@patriciaarrance790 17 дней назад

Seem to get better results with cold proofing taking the temperature of my dough thru the whole process. Better rise again thank you for all this great information.

@henrytheturnip Год назад

I've been cold proofing focaccia for the last year or so, my mornings are on a tight schedule but I love taking freshly baked bread to work to share with my colleagues. Cheddar and jalapeno is a favourite, and it's in the oven while I'm getting ready for work. No knead high hydration for that beautiful open crumb, just two sets of stretch and folds, spread onto the baking tray, then into the fridge before bed.

@aleaharkawik3431 2 месяца назад

I’m just starting to learn about bread making in a commercial setting. Your videos have been so helpful.

@SincerelyYoursWill Год назад

Another great detailed comparison video! I appreciate how you distinguished each method according to one's needs. I realize now that I watched your video that I've been using the cold bulk fermentation method, but mistakenly calling it cold proof. oops 🙃hehe But that's what is great about your videos, there is something you can always learn - no matter how experienced you may be with baking bread. Appreciate that you take the time to deep dive on topics like this. It adds so much more confidence in verifying one's method in achieving the desired results consistently. I know that I've become a better and more confident bread baker from viewing your channel. Thanks again!!

@denaross Год назад

I’m learning so much by watching your comparison videos - so thank you! I’m enjoying trying a few experiments of my own as well - something I would not have tackled before watching your work….

@tallcedars2310 Год назад

While the breads were first baking, it appeared the cold proof sank slightly. After baking the bulk ferment had what I consider a better bread shape. It was nicely domed and was slightly higher that the cold proof loaf. I love a perfect looking loaf and if bulk ferment gives that look every time, it's the perfect method for me. Great comparison!

@eduardorodriguez4899 Год назад

I never stop learning with your videos

@KatMa664 Год назад

With sourdough if I had to choose between the two methods, I would choose my final proofing in the refrigerator, but I have done both and they both turned out great. With regular bread, I would prefer to do the fermentation in the fridge in the final proofing outside of the fridge so I can control it better.

@OMspot2277 5 месяцев назад

Cold fermenting and cold proofing have changed everything! By using your methods and then branching out and experimenting with options, as I started honing in on my own personalized baker's percentage, cold fermenting and proofing times... there is just no going back. I just produced an awesome 5 day cold bulk ferm. 80% bread flour, and 20% whole wheat flour as the base. Folded only 3 times in 5 days... I love the texture of the crumb, silky, but strong and full of air; combined with the long duration cold ferm/proofing, the flavor is out of control, and there is zero hint of any slightly unpleasant aftertaste at full cool-down for 8 hrs. I love how the flavor got even better at 24 hrs and a very quick and light toasting and light buttering.... yup... so good. Thank you ChainBaker.

@janetill1158 5 месяцев назад

Was this a yeasted bread or a sourdough? ❤

@OMspot2277 5 месяцев назад

@@janetill1158 yeast

@OMspot2277 5 месяцев назад

@@janetill1158 Yeast.

@nobbymorph Год назад

Awesome video, Charlie... thank you!

@andrewbarker1775 Год назад

I'm waiting on the penultimate bread: a cold-proofed, enriched, rye sourdough using a biga yudane. Seriously though I do appreciate all you do for us. I have gotten into baking and you are my primary source of info and ideas. I will trying to make a Pain De Mie tomorrow with a poolish and yudane, for grins and giggles. Keep up the great work.

@geraldsahd3413 Год назад

I did a polish, hydrolized, cold bulk 24 hours, dough ball cold 24 hours. By time the pizza was done I was so tired I didn’t care about the taste….😂

@johnmeyers3954 Год назад

I think I am actually catching on to the when and why we should refrigerator the dough. I like the option of putting it there at the different stages. But I think now that cold proofing will be my go-to so that I can bake it first thing in the morning. It is good to know that refrigerated dough tastes better. And I think I will try the cold fermentation for bread later in the day. Thank you for teaching this old dog.

@DigiMannen Год назад

I always do cold bulk fermentation since i live in the tropics. Everything gets warm, usually my dough is 25C-27C after mixing and will ferment to fast unless I cool it down, I use very little yeast 1-1.5 gr only. perfect to remove from fridge before dinner and bake it after dinner.

@UY_pdr2020 Год назад

1-1.5gr of yeast in how much flour? Aldo instant dry yeast or fresh? 👍👍

@DigiMannen Год назад

@@UY_pdr2020 750-1000 gr dough. Instant dry yeast.

@UY_pdr2020 Год назад

@@DigiMannen Thanks Peter!

@ryonchero4401 6 месяцев назад

These videos are amazing! I'm getting some good results now!

@roger55es Год назад

I've learnt so much from Chain Baker over the last year So delighted to have this experts advice

@ChainBaker Год назад

I've learned just as much 😁 cheers! 😎

@joannestretch Год назад

Im so happy for this video, now i can give my bread more flavor, was trying with the sourdough bread but cannot get a half whole grain and half bread flour to get that nice oven spring like my white bread flour (no problem), but i find that all white flour has less taste and nutrition also, now i can do this with yeast instead and keep my sourdough on the whiter side (flour).... I learn so much from your comparison videos and all the information given, you're a great teacher and that is not easy to do.... Ty

@timorautiainen1783 Год назад

Bit off topic comment, more for community. Recently found eazycover branded "shover caps" for food products. Package of 10 different sizes plastic wraps with elastic band that are reusable was around 2.50€ in Finland. Fell in love straight away as could use them instead of cling wrap or towel. Towel is great but as it is porous it does let lot of air through and can dry up the dought forming skin.

@doremiancleff1508 Год назад

You could wet the towel before covering, which will keep moisture in. Although it's only an issue with low hydration dought, since they get crusty and can crack oppon rising.

@timorautiainen1783 Год назад

@@doremiancleff1508 Why I actually bought them was with "Finnish" style rye bread. First 12-24 hours, if lucky could be 48 hours. You have roughly 200% hydration for "levain", I call it sludge. It did not start as it should have had and lost almost 30% of water due to evaporation throught cloth. I do use towel a lot, but these were great compared to using metric tons of cling wrap per year.

@dianamansour7323 10 месяцев назад

So happy to find this video tonight! I always use the cold proofing method, because I want warm bread in the morning. I just had out-of-country guests & we wanted warm bread for dinner. For the first time I did the cold bulk fermentation way & I think the taste was amazing! To me it tasted better than the cold proofing method. But I think I'll be making it according to my schedule. The best instruction I got from this video is that the cold bulk fermentation can even stay in the refrigerator longer. That will REALLY help working around my schedule. Thanks so much for this video!

@ChainBaker 10 месяцев назад

This may be of interest ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RuYfuBuOvGk.htmlsi=SS03KmTvC09gpA0P ✌️😎

@ixe89 Год назад

Great video as always. Thanks!

@corryhinckley6103 Год назад

Helpful video, as usual. Charlie is the best!

@stoneyroberts9118 Год назад

Thanks again for sharing your experience with us. You’ve put in a lot of work to be so generous to share that knowledge and it is appreciated. Cheers

@C00ltronix Год назад

Don't throw away the bland one! Toast/roast it very dark and totally dry, grind it very fine, add it to the next bread - it gives a wonderful flavour!

@mogisgailis6922 Год назад

Never thought of that. Thank you.

@didanz100 Год назад

Thx, I'll give it ago.

@chopsddy3 Год назад

I use all three depending on the time available. The cold methods are my favorites for flavor.

@Hexxicano Год назад

Great video!

@kevinkimball715 Год назад

Made the cold fermented country loaf and it turned out well, though I thought I may have over proofed it. So I have another one ready to bake where I cut the amount of yeast down about 20%. I suspect I was fine the first time around and the second will be fine as well. I also modified the recipe of the whole wheat with hazelnuts and currants loaf for cold fermentation. I used pecans and sweet dried cranberries and put them in the dough during the cold fermentation. That turned out well and was much less work dealing with sticky dough.

@taz9609 Год назад

everytime a bread question pops into my mind you seem to be making a video to answer it!

@TheEzemikedirnt Год назад

Very good experiment. I always wondered the difference between the two. I think I discovered the problem I had with my bread. Over Fermentation Maybe I could have rescued it if I kneaded it and let it rise again. The dough spent a long time fermenting outside plus the fermentation in the fridge. thanks!

@mogisgailis6922 Год назад

I do both. The dough in the fridge for the last fermentation and then one loaf goes back to the fridge after shaping. It's all about timing (and how much bread we have left, rye sourdough bread doesn't last long which means we have to have a loaf ready to be baked).

@feliciagaffney1998 Год назад

So, 2yrs ago (I think it was), I'd started a bread and then realized I didn't have time to bake it. I did a bunch if googling to see if I could set it aside and bake it later. I'd read that I could put it in the fridge and bake it the next day. I figured it was a slow ferment and was excited to see how it would come out. It ended up baking just fine, but I was disappointed in that it didn't seem to have any extra flavor than it would otherwise. But happy I learned I didn't have to stress that I didn't have time to bake it just then. Lol

@Poundy Год назад

Personal preference here - I think the cold bulk ferment will always be my choice, much better if something comes up that delays a bake for a day.

@LizZie-xk2ee Год назад

I love your videos, they are brilliant - please make more breads from the Balkans if it interests you

@sarajillianshepherd3858 10 месяцев назад

Cold bulk fermentation, i find it easier to have the dough ready to shape and bake, the flavour is amazing. I used to make 2kg of extra hydration dough up and just grab out what I needed, shape rise and bake. By leaving the dough in the fridge for up to a week, it developed an amazing sour dough flavour. If the dough became too old/ sour I'd use it as a mother by adding more flour and water to form a dough. Then shape rise and bake, it was a true learning and experimental bake by the seat of your pants experience. 😊

@bloodwolf7462 Год назад

Still testing Cold Fermented Farmer's Bread. First one was made 1:1 with your recipe. For second my wife asked to sweet variant of it so I did it with almond flour and more "sweetener". Third one is currently in basket with some Italian twist made to it :D Oh and btw I'm still waiting for Chimney Cake recipe ;)

@ChainBaker Год назад

😁

@buxbaumnina7072 Год назад

I make the one natural yeast loaf dough on Sunday, when it is time to form the dough, I divide it into 2 half loaves, continue with one and bake it Sunday night, the other one I put in the pan, put in a Ziplock bag and refrigerate until Wednesday, take it out in the morning and when I come home from work, bake it. There is about a 1-2 inch difference in the height of the bread, but it is still fresh bread for the rest of the week!

@TheSaunaViking Год назад

Love the videos! This one is quite interesting. Is the cold proofed english muffins video coming soon?

@ChainBaker Год назад

On the 26th 😉

@georgepagakis9854 Год назад

I love it. I love Cold Bulk fermentation but with a preferment. I am hopping that you will bust that myth as I am to lazy to try it for myself and since you are the experiment master maybe you will give it a try because I think that's all that is left. You covered everything but preferment. I still think the preferment will taste better then the bulk ferment but I maybe wrong. And to clarify the experiment. 1.Poolish 12 hours then no kneed i fridge mix method and then store for 24 hours in fridge and bake. 2. No kneed in fridge mix method and the store for 36 hours and bake. I added 12 hours to the bulk because of the poolish. So prove me wrong yea!!!!! :) :) :) I am so itching to do this experiment LOL. I made pizza the other day and it was amazing. The thought when through my mind but I got lazy :/ Keep up that awesome videos I am glued to them as they are released each time!

@AnOldGreyDog Год назад

Adam Ragusea did something along those lines a few days ago: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_6qy0FQ5qcY.html

@KellAlbuquerque Год назад

He has other videos on the channel about preferments, including a comparison with cold fermentation

@georgepagakis9854 Год назад

@@KellAlbuquerque Yea I know but not this one :)

@georgepagakis9854 Год назад

@@AnOldGreyDog Hi. thanks. I just looked at it. I have to bust this thing myself. in Pizza there is bulk fermenting where you mix your dough let it rise for 1 hour at room temp and then 24 hours in the fridge to bulk ferment, then degas and make the balls and put them in the fridge for another 24 hours and then cook them. There is also preferment for 12 hours like Poolish, then mix the dough and bulk ferment that for 24 hours. I have tried both techniques and the taste was way better with the preferment. Now there is an extra 12 hours in the preferment at room temp that can make a difference? I have been using preferments with great results. I also got a crispier pizza when I did the poolish. So there is still that myth to bust and Charlie loves busting myths that is why I keep challenging him to do it :) I should get my ass up and do it, and make a video but it takes to long to do it, Yo Charlie, bust this Myth yea!!!!!

@ChainBaker Год назад

It's on my list. Quite a few people have told me that they use both pre-ferment and cold fermentation in the same recipe and they swear by it. I have never tried it before, but I will do it in the near future :)

@kirstencampbell4754 Год назад

Once I started home baking I found that I despised the taste of store bought bread. Then I discovered alternative methods of fermentation via your channel and now I find anything made conventionally to be unbelievably bland! You have literally changed my life...in a good way...I think 😉

@ChainBaker Год назад

Cold fermentation is a total gamechanger. Hopefully even more people will get into it 😎

@lalatorres683 6 месяцев назад

Thank youuuu ❤

@janegardener1662 Год назад

I mix the dough and leave it in the fridge overnight. I am very satisfied with this method as it produces a great loaf and I don't have to worry about timing.

@nby578 Год назад

Hey Charlie! Have you ever thought of publishing a book? I guess I could see a problem as you keep producing so much great content that the book would be outdated extremely fast 😅

@ChainBaker Год назад

I still have a bit to learn before I can do that. And I need to improve my grammar too 😅

@francisbarlow9904 Год назад

Really interesting that Charlie, I've never cold bulk fermented but I will be trying it, but I do like cold proofed bread for it's taste and ease of scoring. Looking back to my childhood (I'm 65) my Grandmother used to do a lot of bread baking (big family and she used to sell her wares to the local folk). She told me they had to get yeast from a local brewery to bake when she was a young woman. Have you ever tried this Charlie?

@ChainBaker Год назад

I have never used yeast that is specific to brewing. I guess bread yeast and brewing yeast could be different in that one would be designed to create more gas (respiration) while the other could be better at slow fermentation.

@stevenheinje181 Год назад

Chain baker a question that’s more general. My wife takes exception to the mess, we had a mouse outbreak a few years ago. So I started doing sourdough in 3-7 loafs or 9-12 cups of flour broken to loafs as boules or sandwich loafs. Then I cool several hours and freeze in ziplocks. You seem to prioritize fresh bread. I guess it’s a question that answers itself as to which is better, but by how much. The freezer can be frost free or deep freeze - cycles are bad but bread still gets eaten even if 3 weeks old from FF freezer. Main thing is impact on storage. BTW I often do dual ferments. That is a low/no Knead method with only sponge starter but with a third dose of yeast and some sugar to try to get a more commercial rise for the Queen. My recipe is based on a well known New York Times article that a Mediterranean cookbook calls Mediterranean bread.

@ChainBaker Год назад

We work with the tools and space that we have. I think there's nothing wrong with using the freezer. Interesting method. I have all but given up on pre-ferments in favour of cold fermentation :)

@philip6502 Год назад

And I quote, "...I personally don't care that much about the crumb. For me, taste is everything." Thank you Charlie, for pointing out that the TASTE of the bread is what matters the most to you. I agree.

@ChainBaker Год назад

That's why I never worry much about shaping. If it looks a bit wonky, it'll still taste the same 🤤

@eduardoalmeidalipener3436 Год назад

Love your videos. Always watch them. I`d love if you could make a video about how much you can knead the starter and how it affects the bread dough. In my experience, if you knead the starter too much and then add it in the begining of the bread dough, it overkneads very easily. I have even began adding the starter last in my dough so i`d avoid this issue at all, even without kneading the starter at all, justt mixing it a little bit. Thanks and keep the amazing work.

@ChainBaker Год назад

I have never considered it. Always just chuck the starter in at the beginning and knead away. Does it make any difference? What happens when you over knead it?

@eduardoalmeidalipener3436 Год назад

@@ChainBaker thanks for responding! The best test i'd sugest for you to do is use about 400g preferment in 1kg dough total, knead the preferment a bit (no need to window test it, just knead enough for it to develop some gluten before fermenting), then finally knead the dough starting with the preferment. In my experience, the dough will overknead and get sticky, maybe even fall apart, a lot faster, possibly even before the dough gets the chance of being kneaded enough. Does that make any sense? Overfermented preferment may affect this result as well, but i'd guess because of the pH.

@ChainBaker Год назад

It seems strange to me because it takes an awful lot of work to over mix bread dough. Check this out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zQVZnFN8tMg.html

@eduardoalmeidalipener3436 Год назад

@@ChainBaker i actually watched most of your recent videos, including this one haha. But i have had overmixed doughs about 10 times in the last years and kneading the preferment seemed to have a lot to do with it. It surprised me that it was difficult for you to do. But flours in Brazil are pretty bad in protein, so i even add a little to my production. Just though you would like to try it and take your own conclusions.

@varsam Год назад

I prefer the double fridge ferment. Make biga, put it in the fridge, next day make the bread, warm ferment then form the bread and back in the fridge for night, next day take it out for 15-20 min amd bake it. But i dont use forms directly on parchment paper and tray.

@brandon_storar Год назад

Question. In the beginning of the video you said cold bulk and cold proofing are the best for commercial yeast doughs. For sour dough bread do you cold bulk or cold proof ? You make great videos btw

@ChainBaker Год назад

I prefer cold proofing for sourdough as cold bulk can take very long.

@rainkrow2069 Год назад

I know this sounds weird.. but you should make a bread tier list on how hard a bread is to make

@palmchord Год назад

Hi Charlie, thanks for another great video. How long did the proofing in the cold bulk fermented dough take?

@ChainBaker Год назад

About 1.5 hours I think. Can't remember for sure 😄

@edilblepilch7377 8 месяцев назад

Sveiki. Love your channel. Helped me a lot so thanks. Any reason why you can't cold bulk ferment and then cold proof?

@ChainBaker 8 месяцев назад

Hey! You sure can - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oL4HX-6J6XY.html

@PoulLausen Год назад

I get the best results by making a BIGA with whole wheat/Graham's flour and leaving it in the fridge for 2-3 days. In this way, the phytic acid is broken down and all vitamins, minerals and not least flavors are released. BIGA: 200 grams of Graham flour, 200 grams of water and 5 grams of dry yeast. Refrigerate for 2-3 days. Mix with 800 grams of wheat flour, 500 grams of water and 16 grams of salt. If you want more flavor on your bread, freeze it for a few days and then thaw. Freezing affects the taste, so it seems a little more intense.

@keithepstein2812 Год назад

Nice quick comparison video. I think you do a particularly great job on these types of videos. I know you said these principles can be applied to whatever recipe we typically use, but I'd love to know if the principles applied to sourdough bread really produce no change in taste or tecture that YOU can detect. I've done sourdough both ways myself, and I think the cold bulk fermentation method mutes the tangy-sour taste when compared to the cold proofing method. There's not much difference in texture.

@tallcedars2310 Год назад

That's interesting!

@chef-magoo Год назад

Keith, I was thinking exactly the same thing myself. I bake with both sourdough and yeast. That said, I don’t particularly favor an overly sour loaf, preferring more than favorite flavor of the green. I was curious as I would think that a cold bulk ferment would enhance the bacterial growth as opposed to yeast growth and just make Ace more sour product. Curious minds need to know…

@ChainBaker Год назад

That is interesting. I have mostly used the cold final proofing method when it comes to sourdough. And I have never compared them side by side. Perhaps a future project :)

@BobTheBald2 Год назад

Love the videos, always learn so much. Do you think cold ferment no kneed would work for low gluten dough like Rye?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Perhaps. But rye is so dense that I would not cold ferment it. Personally, I prefer using less yeast and leaving it to slow ferment at room temperature.

@BobTheBald2 Год назад

@@ChainBaker So I've been making a version of you deli rye for the last couple of weeks, basically it's 25% rye with a mix of dark and medium rye, and I figured I'd just try making it no kneed and cold ferment this week, short result my wife said it was the best rye I've made so far. I made it on Sunday and most of it's gone already, which is a good thing!

@ChainBaker Год назад

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@UY_pdr2020 Год назад

Excellent video!! I found your channel and website today and been reading couple of hours. Have 2 questions: 1. When you Cold bulk Ferment, when you know the bulk fermentation is "ready"? (when double size?, in the fridge of course) 2. After dividing and shaping the dough for the final proofing, can I leave it in the fridge if I'm not be using it immediately and/or my room temperature is really high (30° C or a bit more)? It's for making pizza dough, and I always try to do bulk fermentation because it's space saving, apart for the overall benefits of the bulk method. Hope I have been clear enough as English is not my native language!! 😊

@ChainBaker Год назад

Doubling in size during bulk fermentation is a very good indicator. You can certainly leave it in the fridge. Here is a video about full cold fermentation - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oL4HX-6J6XY.html

@citizen.insane Год назад

King Arthur Flour suggests avoiding bulk fermentation and final proofing at cold temperatures - just doing one or the other, as you recommend. For a high hydration loaf, I'd be curious to see how doing both bulk fermentation and final proofing in the fridge would turn out. Is it possible to compensate with enough active yeast to still give it some oven spring? If the crumb is salvageable, I would imagine this would produce a superior flavor.

@ChainBaker Год назад

That one's on my list 😎

@rayomondc Год назад

I would be very interested in a cold bulk and cold proof video. Also, whether freezing at the bulk or proof stage is better (which is what I do for my SO while I'm gone)

@ChainBaker Год назад

Freezing ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NlIuDpQmEVU.html ✌️

@damianrhea8875 Год назад

Hi Charlie! Recently, I added instant potato flakes to my wheat flour bread dough (inspired by “potato bread”) and cold proofed it 1 and 2 days. The results were delicious - much more flavourful and sweeter than if I baked it right away. I guess it’s because the yeast really took its time to convert thoroughly the carbohydrate in the potato flakes to sugar. Do you think it’s true? It would be great if you could experiment with it and show us your findings - either with instant potato flakes or plain mashed potato. Thank you very much!

@ChainBaker Год назад

Potatoes! - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_BLvddCTsrk.html 😁

@damianrhea8875 Год назад

@@ChainBaker Thank You !

@beausmith8825 Год назад

Thx for these comparisons! Have you considered the cold bulk + cold proof?

@ChainBaker Год назад

It's on my list 😎

@mr.Mikeyboy Год назад

Ah yes we return to the ultimate question! Great video …do u have to wait to let the cold bulk fermented dough get to room temp before shaping? Or out the frig preshape?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Not at all. Shape it right away ✌️

@asterixky Год назад

I prefer the Cold Bulk fermentation, as the loaf is at room temp. when placed in the oven (70f), as the Cold Proof fermentation's loaf is at 40f/4c (Fridge temp.) inside the loaf when placed in the oven. So my Cold Bulk loaf has a better rise and open crumb than my Cold Proof loaf. Strangely enough, it was the opposite on your loaves. Your Cold Proof had a better open crumb.

@kampfaxt9330 Год назад

2:39 the sudden water drops that appeared and disappeared are really spooky xD

@ChainBaker Год назад

The sink is right there out of frame 😂

@kampfaxt9330 Год назад

@@ChainBaker I need you to sneak these drops in every Video tho, they are so calming to watch dry away 💀

@ChainBaker Год назад

😄👍

@neilbingham1853 Год назад

Hi can you use any bread recipe for both cold bulk fermentation or cold proofing?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Definitely. You can find my cold bulk and cold proofing guides in the Principles of Baking playlist ✌

@m13b Год назад

How was the texture between the two methods? Was one tougher or chewier than the other? Did one hold its shape better when compressed?

@ChainBaker Год назад

They were really similar. The bulk fermented one was slightly denser I guess. Not enough for me to say which one is better than the other.

@StateofDecayScience Год назад

Hey Charlie! Is there a reason you didn't make one dough and split it equally for both tests?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Brain fart. I only realised that later 😂

@loganbartholomew6463 7 месяцев назад

Great video! Can one use both cold bulk fermentation AND cold proofing? Despite the large (idle) time investment, are there any downsides to doing this?

@ChainBaker 7 месяцев назад

Yes! Here's a video about it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oL4HX-6J6XY.html

@loganbartholomew6463 7 месяцев назад

@@ChainBaker Assume, thanks!

@HolyMooCow Год назад

I wonder if this holds true for sourdough as well.

@ChainBaker Год назад

I don't see why it would not ✌️

@malthaanatasha1521 Год назад

I am very used to the cold bulk fermentation and I tried the cold proofing instead. Weirdly enough, my dough almost did not rise inside the fridge in the next morning. I wonder if there is an important cue to when we can start doing the final shaping? Does the dough need to undergo bulk fermentation until it rise at least 2 times of its original size before the final shaping?

@ChainBaker Год назад

I try to not leave it until it has doubled as then it would over proof in my fridge. Perhaps your fridge is colder. Try and let it double and then shape and proof in the fridge. That should make it rise better.

@dewantamanik8540 Год назад

What is the result if I use levain as the source of yeast and use cold fermentation to make bread? Would the bread taste more complex and more pleasant?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Cold fermentation promotes acetic acid, so the flavour would be more intense and acidic in sourdough bread.

@FoxOkinawa 7 месяцев назад

Is it possible to knead, shape the dough into the tin, and then "cold fermentation + proofing" in one single step? Thanks!

@ChainBaker 7 месяцев назад

Like this? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j3t7coQTT6I.html

@wildfire6522 Год назад

Question, I've been trying more cold bulk fermentation, however it seems I can leave the dough in my refrigerator for 2 days and not see the dough rise at all. I tend to have my refrigerator running on the cool side 1-2C (34-36F). Would I need to have my dough be warmer before going into refrigerator so that it can bulk up? Would the same be the case if I would want to cold proof, need to have dough be on the warmer side before going into the refrigerator?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Make it warmer, use more yeast, or just let it sit at room temperature for a while (30 - 45 mins) before you refrigerate it. With cold proofing you can definitely try and let it sit for a bit before chilling down. Maybe 15 - 20 minutes as you don't want it to get too active.

@joelf1451 Год назад

could you look into gluten free baking?

@ChainBaker Год назад

I will do in the future, but I can't say when.

@kato8504 Год назад

Hey hello Does the no knead and bulk cold fermentation work with pizza dough? Another question ..Ive been wondering about making Finnish rye bread(Vaasan Ruispalat) seems difficult to find a recipe and very confusing to make...have you ever made that?

@ChainBaker Год назад

It works for any dough. I have not made that particular rye bread but I have a few others on the channel. Search 'chainbaker rye'

@anthonynastasijr Год назад

I’ve used your preferment method for my Italian bread with 20% of the dough a biga. I do love the texture and taste. Can I go up to 30%? And can I add some whole wheat flour in place of some of the bread flour. If so, how much? Thank you very much

@ChainBaker Год назад

You can even pre-ferment 100% of the flour, so the options are limitless 😄 The more whole wheat you use the more water you should add. Start by swapping out 5% - 10% without any adjustments. See how it turns out and then move up if you want to and increase the hydration too.

@anthonynastasijr Год назад

Thank you. I will try this.

@anthonynastasijr Год назад

@@ChainBaker A quick question if I can. If you pre-ferment 100% of the dough, is that the same as doing a cold bulk fermentation (that is if you put it in the fridge)? Thanks.

@ChainBaker Год назад

Kind of. The cold fermented dough should have a slightly more acidic taste, but not by much. That is if both are fermented for the same amount of time.

@notdejf6077 Год назад

Your website is down, can you please put recipes in description, in case it happens again please?

@ChainBaker Год назад

It does that sometimes. Check back in a while and it will be up again.

@mackler 6 месяцев назад

If slow fermentation means more flavor then can you do both the cold bulk and cold proofing together in a single bake for even more flavor than either one alone?

@ChainBaker 6 месяцев назад

Sure ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oL4HX-6J6XY.htmlsi=OJAgtBNAZoxvCHBM

@merindaharmon5086 10 месяцев назад

Can you do both?

@ChainBaker 10 месяцев назад

You sure can ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oL4HX-6J6XY.html ✌️

@ICoyote65 7 месяцев назад

What about cold fermenting and cold proofing a dough? Or would that be about the same as cold fermenting for 2 days then room temp proofing?

@ChainBaker 7 месяцев назад

Here's a video about that ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oL4HX-6J6XY.html

@livinglifeinthenorth8512 Год назад

Do you think I could do a cold bulk proof then the next day divide into the loaves and do a cold proof again? Just wondering if this would increase the flavour even more...😄

@ChainBaker Год назад

That could work but I've never tried it. It is on my projects list 😎

@livinglifeinthenorth8512 Год назад

@@ChainBaker see, you've got me thinking lol!

@cisium1184 Год назад

What if you do both: cold ferment _and_ cold proof?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Never tried it, but it's on my list :)

@sheilam4964 Год назад

👍👍👍👍👍

@SummeRain783 10 месяцев назад

How do you ensure your dough rises in the fridge? I tried with both dry and fresh yeast but my dough will not rise in the fridge over night

@ChainBaker 10 месяцев назад

Make the dough warmer or use more yeast or both. It will rise just fine 👍

@fletchoid Год назад

I have been bulk fermenting my dough at 8 degrees in my garage for 10-14 hours. After forming the loaf, I let it proof for 2-3 hours, and bake at 400F for 40 minutes in a Dutch oven, remove the lid and bake for an additional 20 min. The loaf reaches 212F inside, but the centre of the loaf is not totally baked. I have left it in the oven longer, but then the bread gets burned on the outside, and is still not fully cooked inside. What can I do to fix this?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Perhaps it has not risen enough before baking? Maybe you can let it puff up more. Do you pre-heat the dutch oven too? If not, then that may be an issue.

@nby578 Год назад

Also -- what is the best way to support you? AKA I think RU-vid a percentage. So RU-vid chat, RU-vid Channel Join, or Ko-fi?

@ChainBaker Год назад

That is very kind of you. Ko-fi takes the smallest cut, so that is the best for me. But RU-vid would be more convenient for you as you would not need to register on another site.

@janvasquez504 Год назад

I have issues logging in at your website. It says there is an error in establishing database connection.

@Nordellak Год назад

The website is down for me too!

@ChainBaker Год назад

It does that sometimes. Check back in a while and it will be up again.

@miinyoo 18 дней назад

I'm still so confused about cold bulk. Do you just let it sit out in the bowl and come to room temperature before shaping and final proof?

@ChainBaker 18 дней назад

Shape it straight from the fridge 👍

@suprio_gonefishing Год назад

have you done a cold bulk fermentation followed by cold proofing? do let us know; plan to try it

@ChainBaker Год назад

Coming soon 😎

@suprio_gonefishing Год назад

@@ChainBaker look forward. 🙂

@TheDuckofDoom. Год назад

Then how does a slow bulk and proof compare? The whole process somewhere between 8c and 15c?

@ChainBaker Год назад

Not sure. But I reckon the results may be similar. As long as the doughs spend equal amounts of time fermenting, they should taste the same. I have no way of testing it though. It's fridge temp or room temp and nothing in between in my kitchen.

@TheDuckofDoom. Год назад

@@ChainBaker I have fridge or proofing box(I actually built it for plant cuttings and seed sprouting, but has two shelves). My kitchen varies widely day to night and from 50-105f through the year (10-40c)